I loved the Lord John Marbury character. In casual encounters, he would come off as a shallow drunkard, and then there would be those moments where he'd hit you with an absolutely searing intellect. RIP, Roger Rees
Every moment he was on screen was a joy to behold. He was one of the most brilliant, amazing and downright fun characters they had, and Roger Rees brought him to life marvelously.
Yep, just like the Dr. in "Dr. Who", plays the idiot fool until you realize that he is at least 18 steps ahead of everyone and can bring down a government with just six whispered words: "Don't you think she looks tired?". I also loved his over the top flirtations, acting the rouge and letting the women in the W.H. know that he knew exactly where the real power behind the throne lay and would keep their secret.
Wonderful actor and such a kind man. Had the pleasure of meeting him before he passed away and he gave me some good advice for drama school auditions. Lovely man. RIP Mr Rees
When I was at drama school (uni) we watched an RSC video on techniques for playing different kinds of characters. It featured, obviously, a bunch of different RSC actors giving short speech interpretations. Unsurprisingly it featured Patrick Stewart showing the gravitas, yet humanity, of an authority figure. Also unsurprisingly, if you had seen him on screen, it featured Roger Rees doing one of Shakespeare's comic-relief minor roles very largely and very lightly.
Such brilliant casting of Roger Rees. No one else could have played the part. I just wish he had been in a few more episodes. I could say more, but *Ken Moore* said it all.
Some actors are blessed with acting skill that is raised to an infinitely more compelling level by a voice that commands attention. Mr. Rees possessed such a voice - clarity that sings with interest. Richard Burton, Ian McKellen, Benedict Cumberbatch are other examples. One can watch them in almost anything and feel moved, even if they are merely reading names from the telephone book. It is talent at its best. When Rees was on the screen in West Wing, everyone else became secondary.
It wast tiring to watch, fast talk, everyone had a snappy witty thing to say, self righteous liberal saviors from the republican evil doers. you see 2 episodes and youve seen 15.
: "For being rich, free, and alive all at the same time." Legendary. The West Wing had some amazing characters on the show, and Lord John Marbury was at the top (or near enough to it). RIP, Roger Rees. 1944-2015.
The WW was always so great at casting guest stars and recurring characters. Lord Marbury was one of the best and most colorful. Loved him always calling Leo, Gerald.
1:00. Robin Colcord checked Leo, "thank you for clearing that up, Leo. Having been educated at Cambridge and the Sorbonne, as you know, I am exceedingly stupid."
This is what happened in the Cuban missile crisis. It wasnt publicly known at the time but Kruschev demanded the USA remove some of its missiles in Turkey. Kennedy did this after the heat went from the crisis .Kennedy was also concerned that what the soviets might think of as a humiliation might result in Khruschevs removal. Kennedy decided to give Khruschev an honourable way out
@@jonathanfraser321 And we had been planning all along to take those missiles out of Turkey anyway as they were obsolete. And Kruschev did get removed after all...
@@jonemeigh5588 True But he wasnt shot exiled to Siberia or stabbed by an assassin with an ice pick. Compared to what happened to previous soviet leaders he was practically given a golden handshake and a clock on his retirement
A lot of people talk about all the great lines from Lord Marbury. One of my favorites is just the smooth way he says "Yes sir!" after Bartlett questions him about buying them off.
Buy Them Off! Roger Rees played a role in the play London Assurance I learnt this morning. Charles Courtly Dinsdale was the name of a nearby road to my last child in care home. It makes no difference but I thought the thoughtful amongst you may want to know. Dinsdale Landen wonderful actor A 1974 production saw Roger Rees take on the role of Charles, and Dinsdale Landen play Dazzle. Razzle Dazzle and straight thru to lost. And a star wars star. Happy 87th Billy Dee Williams.
If I were president, this is who I would want as an ambassador/advisor. He's eccentric, but highly educated, knowledgeable and we'd get along quite well. I don't get along well with people who are too serious and dry.
The idea of an Indian war being solved by a drunk isn't entirely without foundation. The Sino-Indian war of 1962 was fought several time zones away from New Delihi and Beijing and several more from Washington and Moscow. According to the then American ambassador, J K Galbraith, this meant that the various diplomats were on call 24 hours a day. As a result most of them were on uppers to keep awake and downers to keep calm. The result was that many of the major players were zonked on drugs.
Lord John stole a line from Peter O'Toole's Henry II in "The Lion In Winter": "I've snapped and plotted all my life. There's no other way to be alive, king, and fifty all at once."
Not the first time Sorkin quoted (or borrowed) from The Lion In Winter. Sorkin was a playwright before he was a screenwriter; he loves plays, and throws in references to other playwrights’ work quite a bit. But this was a particularly nice one.
Thank you for uploading this. I wanted to share this scene with someone, particularly about Marbury's carrot-and-stick metaphor and explanation of the price that's paid for peace or continued prosperity.
I'd have killed to see that meeting between the Indian ambassador and Lord John Marbury. I think it would've given an interesting look on how other countries talk to eachother about the actions of the US. kind of an "inside the looking glass" on the outsider's perspective.
1:34 reminds me of the quote "there's no other way to be alive, king, and fifty all at the same time" from A Lion In Winter...which is President Bartlett's favorite movie!
As great as he is here, to me Roger Rees will always be the "villain" from Sylvester Stallone's "STOP! Or my mom will shoot!" ... a very unusual villain in a very unusual movie! Great fun!
I love his character. I, too, am quite fluent in sarcasm and am not one to mince words. In Sorkin's world, I think I could have fun spending some time with Lord Marbury. :-)
It's so funny that he can't take even a cup of coffee with the president of the United States without spicing it with liquor. He's the only one who drinks in the room and doesn't give a fuck about it.
@@CraigBickerstaff Ya, the public is dumb, so just wait a news cycle, and they aren't smart enough to see its still a quid pro quo.. This is like if trump called up Russia and asked them to help his campaign, but he wouldn't pay them for a few months. Its no longer a quid pro quo, because he delayed payment, right? And the whole wait and make it seem like its not a quid pro quo, is just another example of an administration lying to the public..
RIP Roger Rees I was proud of my education. It wasn't fancy but it was functional. And no help from dark figures via rumours. My Double Entry Bookkeeping tuition. Licensed To Bill. The Golden Rule should be "A fair portion for a fair price"
This completely gloss overs the part the British played in creation of India- Pakistan conflict. It also conveniently ignores how UK became 'Rich and Free' and projects like India is taking some kind of ransom from western countries where as US has also manipulated so many countries for own benefit. It's just a part of global politics.
Sir, please, you have to give these things (partition) some time. Perhaps another decade or century or so.................................................................................................................................they will remain exactly as they are today.
fred karno I believe you are confusing balance of trade with debt. Buying more goods from a country than are sold does make a trade deficit. It does not follow that this deficit has gone unpaid.
This actually happened. India did retreat its development and US was was able be sure using satellite photos. Only US didn’t know that India was still very much active in its development. They worked in the nights and kept the nuclear development site deserted in the day. And went through with the development program anyways. Back when the US and UK’s deep throating of political incompetence began and they kept siding with Pakistan and never believed India’s proof of Pakistan’s use US aid to fund terrorist activities. Years later Tony Blair and Bush publicly regretted not believing in India and letting Pakistan become a cesspool for terrorist activities.
A great clip from a great show. Many thanks for te upload emmatude. I liked the bit about G7 calling all it loans. It sounded as though President Bartlett was going down to the local County Court and sending a court baliff to sieze the Taj Mahal
This is a great scene, but unrealistic in the sense that Leo never would have questioned the strategy. A character of his intelligence damn well would have understood the implications of trying to avoid a war with nuclear weapons half way around the world.
Yeah, they go to war with each other, and the nuked cities start a very little Nuclear Winter, that stops the threat of Global Warning. Who cares about a few hundred million virgins in Islamic heaven and maybe about that many kicked into their next turn on the wheel?
not really. . The purpose of having a west wing staff is to put alternative policies and views.Even Adolf allowed officers to question and propose alternative strategies. Its the president's job to decide.Leo's job is to ensure that when the president's made his decision, it happens.
Americans would be wise to take this fictional character's words to heart: Why have foreign aid halfway around the world? Why strive to prevent conflict in states on the other side of the planet? Because that's the price you pay for being rich, free, and alive - all at the same time. If the US is willing to give one of those three up, the responsibility will gladly go to someone else.
@oarfrost Can't say it surprises me in the least - around the discussion tables, very little is actually achieved, it's afterwards when they all retire for drinks that the real business gets done.
RIP Roger Rees... The part that I LOVED about Lord Marbury is how he looked all of America dead in the face and told them in excruciating detail just where America screwed the pooch. And it wasn't his English 'stiff upper lip' aristocratic manner. He had his facts straight every time and was clear when something was his opinion or an undisputed fact. Marbury had that incredible talent for looking anyone in the eye and telling you to 'go eff yourself' without them taking offense. 🤣
It was a perspective. Not undisputable objective facts from a dispassionate party. It was because he was a high status aristocrat that he felt comfortable telling the leader of the United States his thoughts on the matter.
I think you are a smart perdon that just made mistakes. There are diferences although it can be difficult to distinguish them. If you think you are stupid let me tell you that you are not even close to be one. No stupid dominates the world the way you do. No stupid gets to do what we both do.
No, it wouldn't be a problem, America's loans with India are at a higher interest rate than new loans are currently created at If India demanded full repayment it would actually save America money as weird as that seems, but loans don't actually work that way anyway, they're set over a period of Xyears
It's the IMF loans. And, some US-government-backed private loans. The problem is, where would India get the money to pay those loans off? They're substantial, and the payoff has to be in US Dollars, not Indian Rupees. So India has to have something it can get US dollars to pay with. Since it won't be getting loans from anyone outside the country (having your international loans called in for payment IMMEDIATELY makes you persona non-grata at every international bank on the planet), the Indian government would have to come up with something it could sell to get dollars. That's a problem, given the size of the debt. They'd have to sell something pretty valuable, and that hurts. Like maybe gold reserves, or mineral rights, or something else they don't really want to give up. It's one of the huge advantages the US enjoys: all our debt is in our own currency, so if someone else wanted to demand we pay them the US Treasuries they own, we could, in theory, just print a bunch of US Dollars and hand them over. We wouldn't want to do that, because it would immediate cause inflation, but it's still a MUCH better position to be in than everyone else who owes other countries in a currency that isn't their own one. As of 2020, this would be less relevant, since the amount of loans India has that would be affected by this kind of thing are significantly smaller, and India almost certainly could come up with the US Dollars to pay them without causing too much pain to the Indian government. But in the early 2000s, that certainly wasn't true.
I loved the Lord John Marbury character. In casual encounters, he would come off as a shallow drunkard, and then there would be those moments where he'd hit you with an absolutely searing intellect. RIP, Roger Rees
Well put!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every moment he was on screen was a joy to behold. He was one of the most brilliant, amazing and downright fun characters they had, and Roger Rees brought him to life marvelously.
Yep, just like the Dr. in "Dr. Who", plays the idiot fool until you realize that he is at least 18 steps ahead of everyone and can bring down a government with just six whispered words: "Don't you think she looks tired?". I also loved his over the top flirtations, acting the rouge and letting the women in the W.H. know that he knew exactly where the real power behind the throne lay and would keep their secret.
He was also great in _The Crossing_ as one of George Washington's officers. From Maine, I think, from back when Maine was a region of Massachusetts.
@@BradyPostma Don’t forget the Sheriff of Rottingham delivering the bad news in a good way…
"It's the price you pay"
"For avoiding a war half way around the world?"
"For being rich, free, and alive all at the same time."
That last line echos one from Jed's favorite movie, "The Lion in Winter": There's no other way to be alive, king, and fifty all at once.
@@almostfmIn 1999, Stockard Channing starred as Queen Eleanor in a limited run revival of the play on Broadway. She was brilliant!
This man would have been an amazing Doctor Who.
Matt Smith before Matt Smith.
@@noahbrown6970
I think he might actually have been on the short list for it more than once. Definitely on the short list for The Doctor Who movie.
I thought that he would have been an excellent sherrif of Nottingham...
Or a terrifying Master - all polite and apparently bumbling, until you realise you're an insect in a spider's web
He would have been an excellent choice for the 8th or 9th doctor, not replacing either just sliding the scale.
Wonderful actor and such a kind man. Had the pleasure of meeting him before he passed away and he gave me some good advice for drama school auditions. Lovely man. RIP Mr Rees
When I was at drama school (uni) we watched an RSC video on techniques for playing different kinds of characters. It featured, obviously, a bunch of different RSC actors giving short speech interpretations. Unsurprisingly it featured Patrick Stewart showing the gravitas, yet humanity, of an authority figure. Also unsurprisingly, if you had seen him on screen, it featured Roger Rees doing one of Shakespeare's comic-relief minor roles very largely and very lightly.
I will always get a chuckle from that bit about whiskey.
i always get a chuckle from the idea of "india developing an industry"
Such brilliant casting of Roger Rees. No one else could have played the part. I just wish he had been in a few more episodes.
I could say more, but *Ken Moore* said it all.
Rowan Atkinson
Roger Rees. Passed a few years ago. Was in a few episodes of Cheers. Great actor!
"We can hide the women. But the man deserves a drink."
"The world's flying apart at the seams, John."
"Well! Thank God you sent for me!"
Marbury is amazing. This is still one of the best shows to ever hit TV
Some actors are blessed with acting skill that is raised to an infinitely more compelling level by a voice that commands attention. Mr. Rees possessed such a voice - clarity that sings with interest. Richard Burton, Ian McKellen, Benedict Cumberbatch are other examples. One can watch them in almost anything and feel moved, even if they are merely reading names from the telephone book. It is talent at its best. When Rees was on the screen in West Wing, everyone else became secondary.
i really think the west wing was the "feel good anime" of the decade
It wast tiring to watch, fast talk, everyone had a snappy witty thing to say, self righteous liberal saviors from the republican evil doers. you see 2 episodes and youve seen 15.
: "For being rich, free, and alive all at the same time."
Legendary.
The West Wing had some amazing characters on the show, and Lord John Marbury was at the top (or near enough to it).
RIP, Roger Rees. 1944-2015.
The first time I saw him..was in cheers...and it has been a wonderful journey of watching his performances...so sad he passed on... wonderful actor...
You brought humor and charm to every role,,,,RIP. Mr. rees
Qapla!
He was the only light in that awful "A Midsummer Night's Dream".
for being rich, free and alive- all at the same time.
aVallark clearly Sorkin has seen the lion in winter
we are nether free nor rich in the United States : (
chazz Lucas, Lord John Marbury is referring to the entire country, not any one individual person.
@@nudist0885 what ?
@@nudist0885 we have no economy
Lord John is the best character! What a riot and someone I want on my staff or a close advisor!
Rest In Peace and Thank You for entertaining me and many others Roger. You won't be forgotten.
"I don't want this to be quid pro quo." Oh Josiah, you rascal;-)
For me this is still the best series ever made. Sorkin, crew and cast all brilliant!
Easy the best! I've rewatched it yearly since it went off air.
The WW was always so great at casting guest stars and recurring characters. Lord Marbury was one of the best and most colorful. Loved him always calling Leo, Gerald.
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Lord John to CJ after she takes over as Chief of Staff: “Ah, you’re the new Gerald.”
CJ: “I suppose I am.”
@Carlo Cocciolo 😆 I'll have to remember to be more careful with my abbrev's!!😁
1:00. Robin Colcord checked Leo, "thank you for clearing that up, Leo. Having been educated at Cambridge and the Sorbonne, as you know, I am exceedingly stupid."
José Duarte it was Oxford
Actually, no John, he says Cambridge. José is correct.
I love that exchange
@@johnmoraites6020 Are you hearing impaired? Listen to it again and again until you stop failing.
Being educated at Cambridge and the Sorbonne didn't ultimately do Augustus Steranko much good due to, you know, basically being exceedingly stupid.
RIP Roger Rees. A fine actor.
"I dont want this to be like Quid Pro Quo"
He was smart.
This is what happened in the Cuban missile crisis. It wasnt publicly known at the time but Kruschev demanded the USA remove some of its missiles in Turkey. Kennedy did this after the heat went from the crisis .Kennedy was also concerned that what the soviets might think of as a humiliation might result in Khruschevs removal. Kennedy decided to give Khruschev an honourable way out
@@jonathanfraser321 And we had been planning all along to take those missiles out of Turkey anyway as they were obsolete.
And Kruschev did get removed after all...
@@jonemeigh5588 True But he wasnt shot exiled to Siberia or stabbed by an assassin with an ice pick. Compared to what happened to previous soviet leaders he was practically given a golden handshake and a clock on his retirement
"I don't want this to be like Quid Pro Quo."
Wouldn't that have been nice to have in our own presidency...
I have managed to be exceedingly stupid without the benefit of education at Cambridge and the Sarbonne! 🤤
But no diploma, therefore not eligible to work for the president!
@@TimoRutanen But Lord Marbury isn't working for the president either. He's Britain's Ambassador to the US.
@@mad_max21 Not at this point in time. He wasn't named ambassador until season 2, this was in season 1.
@@billwithers7457 I still don't think you can say he's working for the president, I think he's more of a voluntary consultant and go-between.
Same 😢
A lot of people talk about all the great lines from Lord Marbury. One of my favorites is just the smooth way he says "Yes sir!" after Bartlett questions him about buying them off.
"By being rich free and alive all at the same time"... great line.
Basically stolen from "The Lion in Winter" - "alive, king, and fifty all at once"
Oddly enough, this scene would turn out to be prophetic.
This is one of my favorite scenes of the series.
Wish there was more of lord john.
Buy Them Off!
Roger Rees played a role in the play London Assurance I learnt this morning. Charles Courtly
Dinsdale was the name of a nearby road to my last child in care home. It makes no difference but I thought the thoughtful amongst you may want to know.
Dinsdale Landen wonderful actor
A 1974 production saw Roger Rees take on the role of Charles, and Dinsdale Landen play Dazzle.
Razzle Dazzle and straight thru to lost. And a star wars star. Happy 87th Billy Dee Williams.
If I were president, this is who I would want as an ambassador/advisor. He's eccentric, but highly educated, knowledgeable and we'd get along quite well. I don't get along well with people who are too serious and dry.
Roger Rees was fantastic in Nicholas Nickleby I think it aired on PBS years ago.
he called him Leo
wow !
That’s how we know it’s time to sit up and pay attention.
God Roger's voice is music to my ears.
RIP!
The idea of an Indian war being solved by a drunk isn't entirely without foundation. The Sino-Indian war of 1962 was fought several time zones away from New Delihi and Beijing and several more from Washington and Moscow. According to the then American ambassador, J K Galbraith, this meant that the various diplomats were on call 24 hours a day. As a result most of them were on uppers to keep awake and downers to keep calm. The result was that many of the major players were zonked on drugs.
Roger Rees is ine of my favorites. Gone too soon. 😞
Lord John stole a line from Peter O'Toole's Henry II in "The Lion In Winter": "I've snapped and plotted all my life. There's no other way to be alive, king, and fifty all at once."
And, in later seasons, they quote it again. Evidently it is Bartlet's favorite film.
You could tell Bartlett was impressed by the reference.
Well, as Sam says in another episode "Good writers borrow from other writers; great writers steal from them outright."
Not the first time Sorkin quoted (or borrowed) from The Lion In Winter. Sorkin was a playwright before he was a screenwriter; he loves plays, and throws in references to other playwrights’ work quite a bit. But this was a particularly nice one.
Thank you for uploading this. I wanted to share this scene with someone, particularly about Marbury's carrot-and-stick metaphor and explanation of the price that's paid for peace or continued prosperity.
Absolutely brilliant dialogue.
Don't we all miss the old times when talking and compromising with your enemies was statesmanship. Today it is called appeasement.
I'd have killed to see that meeting between the Indian ambassador and Lord John Marbury. I think it would've given an interesting look on how other countries talk to eachother about the actions of the US. kind of an "inside the looking glass" on the outsider's perspective.
1:34 reminds me of the quote "there's no other way to be alive, king, and fifty all at the same time" from A Lion In Winter...which is President Bartlett's favorite movie!
I was just about to say that. I never made the connection until I saw the quote today.
Another example of the importance and difficulty of Charlie's job.
I miss show so much...Wow!!!
Lord John Marbury made me want to be smarter. RIP.
It’s the price you pay for being rich, free, and alive all at the same time.
That payoff thing clearly solved the nuclear problem in North Korea
I have this sense that this particular scene is speaking a lot of truth.
LOVED ROGER REES!!!!!
"Gerald!" God love Lord John Marbury...
Love Roger Rees.
I absolutely love this scene.
As great as he is here, to me Roger Rees will always be the "villain" from Sylvester Stallone's "STOP! Or my mom will shoot!" ... a very unusual villain in a very unusual movie!
Great fun!
“Being 50, King and alive at the same Time” Lion in Winter.
Truly great scene
Marbury called him Leo!
He only seems to call him Gerald when not in front of the President, or if he is trying to make a strong point.
@@misterjoshua5720 No, John only calls him "Leo" when he's being completely serious. That's how you know you should pay attention.
I love his character. I, too, am quite fluent in sarcasm and am not one to mince words. In Sorkin's world, I think I could have fun spending some time with Lord Marbury. :-)
This is brilliant and accurate.
It's so funny that he can't take even a cup of coffee with the president of the United States without spicing it with liquor. He's the only one who drinks in the room and doesn't give a fuck about it.
I loved this character...
If you like John, watch Mountains of the Moon for an early role towards the end of the film
President who knows and uses the term 'quid pro quo'!
And pretends waiting a couple months to "buy" them makes it not quid pro quo.
@@falseprophet1024 It's about public perception, JFK did the same thing during the Cuban Missle crisis.
@@CraigBickerstaff
Ya, the public is dumb, so just wait a news cycle, and they aren't smart enough to see its still a quid pro quo..
This is like if trump called up Russia and asked them to help his campaign, but he wouldn't pay them for a few months. Its no longer a quid pro quo, because he delayed payment, right?
And the whole wait and make it seem like its not a quid pro quo, is just another example of an administration lying to the public..
RIP Roger Rees
I was proud of my education. It wasn't fancy but it was functional.
And no help from dark figures via rumours.
My Double Entry Bookkeeping tuition.
Licensed To Bill.
The Golden Rule should be "A fair portion for a fair price"
@1:01 absolute classic line.
I swear I had a prof during my time at Cambridge that dressed and sounded just like Marbury. Cut from the same cloth, I suppose.
You have reminded me to sharpen my best scissors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIP Lord John
Brilliant!
Lord John Marlbury can be amazingly wise!
This completely gloss overs the part the British played in creation of India- Pakistan conflict. It also conveniently ignores how UK became 'Rich and Free' and projects like India is taking some kind of ransom from western countries where as US has also manipulated so many countries for own benefit. It's just a part of global politics.
Sir, please, you have to give these things (partition) some time.
Perhaps another decade or century or so.................................................................................................................................they will remain exactly as they are today.
Actually, the US currently owes India about £40 billion dollars. Today the real problem would be if India called in its loans.
fred karno
I believe you are confusing balance of trade with debt. Buying more goods from a country than are sold does make a trade deficit. It does not follow that this deficit has gone unpaid.
😂
This actually happened. India did retreat its development and US was was able be sure using satellite photos.
Only US didn’t know that India was still very much active in its development. They worked in the nights and kept the nuclear development site deserted in the day. And went through with the development program anyways. Back when the US and UK’s deep throating of political incompetence began and they kept siding with Pakistan and never believed India’s proof of Pakistan’s use US aid to fund terrorist activities.
Years later Tony Blair and Bush publicly regretted not believing in India and letting Pakistan become a cesspool for terrorist activities.
"I know words, i have the best words." -this is what it's come to and yes i realize it was only a TV show but good grief we've lowered the bar.
That bar is now at the bottom of the Marianas Trench and is still burrowing toward the planet's core.
Bart Alder Damn. 😂
The bar wasn't lowered with Reagan? Johnson didn't swear and bully people? Clinton didn't go for a jog to McDonalds?
James Kessler It would be nice.
I see what you did there Charlie Brown
1:56 Leo: "What the actual fuck?!" :D
Also Leo at 1:08, after the zinger from Lord John which provided the title for this clip.
everybody needs to listen to the west wing thing podcast
1:15 Money well spent, am i right?!?
I think that’s the first time he called Leo by his name. Later on, he always called him Gerald. 😂
And Margaret says... you are the father!
A great clip from a great show. Many thanks for te upload emmatude.
I liked the bit about G7 calling all it loans. It sounded as though President Bartlett was going down to the local County Court and sending a court baliff to sieze the Taj Mahal
This standoff actually did happen
See : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001%E2%80%9302_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_standoff
So much relevant truth in this conversation.
Love His Lordship …
I see what you did there. You're a smart guy.
He’s Brilliant
This is a great scene, but unrealistic in the sense that Leo never would have questioned the strategy. A character of his intelligence damn well would have understood the implications of trying to avoid a war with nuclear weapons half way around the world.
Yeah, they go to war with each other, and the nuked cities start a very little Nuclear Winter, that stops the threat of Global Warning. Who cares about a few hundred million virgins in Islamic heaven and maybe about that many kicked into their next turn on the wheel?
not really. . The purpose of having a west wing staff is to put alternative policies and views.Even Adolf allowed officers to question and propose alternative strategies. Its the president's job to decide.Leo's job is to ensure that when the president's made his decision, it happens.
the *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television.
Whiskey cures all!!
GERALD!
Old Sock!
Different episode, Dead Irish Writers, but great line by him!
Americans would be wise to take this fictional character's words to heart: Why have foreign aid halfway around the world? Why strive to prevent conflict in states on the other side of the planet? Because that's the price you pay for being rich, free, and alive - all at the same time. If the US is willing to give one of those three up, the responsibility will gladly go to someone else.
@oarfrost Can't say it surprises me in the least - around the discussion tables, very little is actually achieved, it's afterwards when they all retire for drinks that the real business gets done.
RIP.
RIP Roger Rees...
The part that I LOVED about Lord Marbury is how he looked all of America dead in the face and told them in excruciating detail just where America screwed the pooch. And it wasn't his English 'stiff upper lip' aristocratic manner. He had his facts straight every time and was clear when something was his opinion or an undisputed fact.
Marbury had that incredible talent for looking anyone in the eye and telling you to 'go eff yourself' without them taking offense. 🤣
It was a perspective. Not undisputable objective facts from a dispassionate party. It was because he was a high status aristocrat that he felt comfortable telling the leader of the United States his thoughts on the matter.
Gerald !!
Did India not have a computer industry before 1999?
I think you are a smart perdon that just made mistakes. There are diferences although it can be difficult to distinguish them. If you think you are stupid let me tell you that you are not even close to be one. No stupid dominates the world the way you do. No stupid gets to do what we both do.
2024.....my how things change.
Genius.
God rest, his soul
No, it wouldn't be a problem, America's loans with India are at a higher interest rate than new loans are currently created at
If India demanded full repayment it would actually save America money as weird as that seems, but loans don't actually work that way anyway, they're set over a period of Xyears
It's the IMF loans. And, some US-government-backed private loans. The problem is, where would India get the money to pay those loans off? They're substantial, and the payoff has to be in US Dollars, not Indian Rupees. So India has to have something it can get US dollars to pay with. Since it won't be getting loans from anyone outside the country (having your international loans called in for payment IMMEDIATELY makes you persona non-grata at every international bank on the planet), the Indian government would have to come up with something it could sell to get dollars. That's a problem, given the size of the debt. They'd have to sell something pretty valuable, and that hurts. Like maybe gold reserves, or mineral rights, or something else they don't really want to give up.
It's one of the huge advantages the US enjoys: all our debt is in our own currency, so if someone else wanted to demand we pay them the US Treasuries they own, we could, in theory, just print a bunch of US Dollars and hand them over. We wouldn't want to do that, because it would immediate cause inflation, but it's still a MUCH better position to be in than everyone else who owes other countries in a currency that isn't their own one.
As of 2020, this would be less relevant, since the amount of loans India has that would be affected by this kind of thing are significantly smaller, and India almost certainly could come up with the US Dollars to pay them without causing too much pain to the Indian government. But in the early 2000s, that certainly wasn't true.
1:02 Marbury gets Leo's name right. First time? Only time?
When it was crunch time, Lord John dropped the drunken buffoon act and got down to it like the legend he was.