To all the people whinging about just going out and buying this tool, I did that, and then had to modify it exactly like this because it wasn't deep enough for the valves in the tanks, so hey maybe cut the guy a little slack since if you are forced into doing the work anyway, you might as well just make one like this AND ALSO end up with a much better tool with a much better handle on it.
By loosening (unscrewing) the relief valve to vent the 1 lb tank, you just changed the pressure that the safety relief valve will open. The pressure that the relief valve opens is set by the tension on the spring in the valve. The spring tension (and relief pressure) is adjusted by the amount the Schrader valve is screwed into the tank. Take the valve out of an empty tank and see how it works. Once you mess with the relief valve setting, the tank may either prematurely vent, releasing propane and potentially causing a fire, or prevent the tank from venting causing the tank explode.
Although you’re absolutely correct the threaded body of the valve bottoms out at the bottom which ensures proper depth and pressure relief setting. Problem I’ve had is the tool is critical to be able to get a very solid engagement with the threaded body and allow you to feel when the bottoming out happens when tightening it back in.
If you knew anything about these valves you would know that 90% of valve stem removal tools will not work on the Coleman bottles. You’re correct in saying that they’re valve stem removal‘s but finding one for under five bucks that will work on a Coleman bottle is unlikely. Their center rod sticks up way high so the fingers on the removal tool have to be extremely long to engage the threaded body
By overfilling the tanks beyond 80% with liquid propane by venting the propane gas out from the safety relief valve may renders this valve useless. If the liquid propane is too full, it may impede the valve. It is designed to vent propane gas, not the liquid form. That 20 percent is allowed for expansion and vented out if the tanks are under pressure. Eventhough it is very unlikely and difficult for a propane tank to explode or implode there is always a chance for BLEVE (Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion) to occur, it would require alot of heat. Regardless, he would be putting himself and his family at a slightly higher risk which could be prevented. And by adjusting and playing around with the safety relief valve can damage it and may not work as it was designed to as it may change the specified psi rating or not work at all. To vent any remaining gas from the tank, depress the main stem valve and best to leave the safety relief valve alone.
ditto. It's a SAFETY relief valve. If you want it to protect you and your family from a life threatening malfunction, don't poke, prod or mess with it . . . EVER!
Since that yellow tank contains M.A.P.P. gas and not propane why would you refill it with the wrong fuel? Also what is the point of messing with the Scrader valve at all? There might be a fitting you can cobble together to put compressed air in a propane cylinder, but why? Compressed air usually has some water vapor in it which will rust the tank from the inside. It will look fine until it explodes.
@@johnstreet819 why is because i want a portable air tank to take in the house for blowing stuff out. my compressor is 25 metres away from the house and i dont want to buy those aerosol cans when i got a perfectly good compressor i can fill something for virtually no money. i know about rusting the inside because i have a compressor so im fully aware of that but having said that my air gets double filtered anyway so it would be quite minimal and i can change the tank every time i run a map gas bottle out.
It is a valve removal tool and you can already buy one that is made for it pretty cheap. I guess if you don't have one or can't find it you could go through the effort to make one out of an old screwdriver in a pinch. Just don't see the point unless your time isn't worth that much or you just need it right now when you can go buy it already made for probably cheaper. I have several from when I was turning wrenches as a career.
Just like I stated in my comment. If you don't have the time and need it right now. I use it all the time so it was worth it for me to buy one, but I have had to make them in the past myself. I just prefer the longer one I purchased that is hardened and will hold up to the amount of valve stems I have to use it on. I didn't say it wasn't worth it if you have the time and need it right now.
Bought a valve stem removal tool.. doesnt reach far enough to grab the flats on the Schrader valve.. wound up having to grind it deeper anyway. The one I bought is made by Slime. I guess maybe they make different ones for different depths
There’s no oxygen in the bottle itself therefore it can’t explode. If there was an incidental spark the venting propane he had could ignite but the bottle is not going to ‘explode’. I get a kick hearing about people who think these things explode like a bomb. It just doesn’t happen that way
+M A RAHIM PRAMANIK - Those " Cylinders " are from Portable Soldering Tank. You can find them at Home Depot or Lowes, etc.... Another way is to get them from Camping Area or Store!
I guess you didn't read the comments above. I have the cross one with rethreader and the shaft is to short. The other one is a screw driver type and the shaft is too thick and needs to be modified.
No: it’s not a Schrader valve like on your car. It’s similar to a Schrader valve and it’s removal although the common tools will not work on this particular valve. That’s why he’s demonstrating making your own
The purpose of opening this valve is to bleed off excessive air in the tank/canister when refilling it. And allow more gas to be transferred. However, this step is usually not necessary, just put the refill tank/canister in your freezer for about 20-30 min before trying to refill it. The difference transferring warmer gas in a larger tank into a colder one will make the refill tank/canister accept the gas more readily. Thus eliminating the bleed off process. The official statement from Berzomatic is that propane canisters from their company are not to be refilled. You, and/or persons wanting to refill their propane tank/canister(s) should exercise caution when doing so. Overfilling a propane tank/canister can weaken the welded seams on the tank/canister and can eventually, and possibly cause sympathetic explosive detonation. Thus, really ruining your day, week, month, year!..Yeah, you get the message.
@@rickjwilliams well... of course they say dont refill it, I can buy 3 green cans for $20 or or $6 each, or a 20 pound cylinder for $15, if I refill 20 green cans then how is bernzomatic going to make $120 off of me?
You missed the point all together. They tell NOT to refill it because of the poetical to overfill it and cause it to explode. ha..Bet your college educated too, aren't you?
All propane and butane cylinders should not be filled more than 80% of the volume. That is why the valve has a long stem in many cylinders; to ensure that when it reaches 80% liquid instead of gas vents from the valve. They don't want you to refill them for marketing reasons but also for legal liability reasons. Refillable cylinders need to be regularly pressure tested. I have cylinders that were built in the 70s and they are as good as new. Never fill a partially full cylinder and ALWAYS weigh the empty cylinder so that after filling you can confirm that you have added NO MORE than 465g of propane
I don't know what the point of unscrewing the valve. If it is too refill the small talk, then you do not need to do this. A pair of hemostats will pull up on valve opening it.
No Paul they don’t exist. The ones you’re thinking of don’t work on this particular valve and that’s the point of making it yourself or modifying one that you can buy
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Eddie you need to keep your day job! You can’t buy one of these for three dollars. None of them work on this particular valve. If you were familiar with the process and tools you’d understand that.
Saved me ten bucks and probably as many days in shipping. Thanks!
To all the people whinging about just going out and buying this tool, I did that, and then had to modify it exactly like this because it wasn't deep enough for the valves in the tanks, so hey maybe cut the guy a little slack since if you are forced into doing the work anyway, you might as well just make one like this AND ALSO end up with a much better tool with a much better handle on it.
Exactly most people don’t understand that fine point that typical car valve stem removal tools will not work!
By loosening (unscrewing) the relief valve to vent the 1 lb tank, you just changed the pressure that the safety relief valve will open. The pressure that the relief valve opens is set by the tension on the spring in the valve. The spring tension (and relief pressure) is adjusted by the amount the Schrader valve is screwed into the tank. Take the valve out of an empty tank and see how it works. Once you mess with the relief valve setting, the tank may either prematurely vent, releasing propane and potentially causing a fire, or prevent the tank from venting causing the tank explode.
Lucky he emptied the propane out 1st then ;)
Although you’re absolutely correct the threaded body of the valve bottoms out at the bottom which ensures proper depth and pressure relief setting. Problem I’ve had is the tool is critical to be able to get a very solid engagement with the threaded body and allow you to feel when the bottoming out happens when tightening it back in.
I just realized the title shows he knows it works for tires too, so he literally is doing what the title says, which I respect.
Exactly, it is called a valve stem remover. Cost is under $5.00.
If you knew anything about these valves you would know that 90% of valve stem removal tools will not work on the Coleman bottles. You’re correct in saying that they’re valve stem removal‘s but finding one for under five bucks that will work on a Coleman bottle is unlikely. Their center rod sticks up way high so the fingers on the removal tool have to be extremely long to engage the threaded body
Those won’t work on this btw
The propane valve works the opposite of a car stem. On the car stem you push the center to let out air, on the propane tank you pull up on the center
Great video. If you have a spare screwdriver (we all do) and need a stem remover. Just make your own.
Nope. Just use a hemostat on the relief valve. Clamp and pull up to relieve pressure.
Thank you.
Can you use propane tank if valve is rusty
yes. but when you disconnect it sometimes they will leak out so be sure not to disconnect it indoors
Great video thank you
Can you show us how to put a valve in there, that I can use to put air inside the tank ?
By overfilling the tanks beyond 80% with liquid propane by venting the propane gas out from the safety relief valve may renders this valve useless. If the liquid propane is too full, it may impede the valve. It is designed to vent propane gas, not the liquid form. That 20 percent is allowed for expansion and vented out if the tanks are under pressure. Eventhough it is very unlikely and difficult for a propane tank to explode or implode there is always a chance for BLEVE (Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion) to occur, it would require alot of heat. Regardless, he would be putting himself and his family at a slightly higher risk which could be prevented. And by adjusting and playing around with the safety relief valve can damage it and may not work as it was designed to as it may change the specified psi rating or not work at all. To vent any remaining gas from the tank, depress the main stem valve and best to leave the safety relief valve alone.
ditto.
It's a SAFETY relief valve.
If you want it to protect you and your family from a life threatening malfunction, don't poke, prod or mess with it . . . EVER!
You sound Philippino👍
so how can i fill the gas canister with air from a compressor?
Since that yellow tank contains M.A.P.P. gas and not propane why would you refill it with the wrong fuel? Also what is the point of messing with the Scrader valve at all? There might be a fitting you can cobble together to put compressed air in a propane cylinder, but why? Compressed air usually has some water vapor in it which will rust the tank from the inside. It will look fine until it explodes.
@@johnstreet819 why is because i want a portable air tank to take in the house for blowing stuff out. my compressor is 25 metres away from the house and i dont want to buy those aerosol cans when i got a perfectly good compressor i can fill something for virtually no money.
i know about rusting the inside because i have a compressor so im fully aware of that but having said that my air gets double filtered anyway so it would be quite minimal and i can change the tank every time i run a map gas bottle out.
Sir, i need that can
Please tell what is that can called, and where can i get that?
The can is for a torch and they sell them at homedepot or your local hardware store . We'll at least they should
@@H_A_F_GAMING
The tank is for MAP gas. Available at any hardware, Walmart, etc.
Mahalo Honorable Sir.
Thank u
It is a valve removal tool and you can already buy one that is made for it pretty cheap. I guess if you don't have one or can't find it you could go through the effort to make one out of an old screwdriver in a pinch. Just don't see the point unless your time isn't worth that much or you just need it right now when you can go buy it already made for probably cheaper. I have several from when I was turning wrenches as a career.
This took me literally 2 minutes to make. It would have taken longer to place an online order than to make this tool.
Just like I stated in my comment. If you don't have the time and need it right now. I use it all the time so it was worth it for me to buy one, but I have had to make them in the past myself. I just prefer the longer one I purchased that is hardened and will hold up to the amount of valve stems I have to use it on. I didn't say it wasn't worth it if you have the time and need it right now.
Bought a valve stem removal tool.. doesnt reach far enough to grab the flats on the Schrader valve.. wound up having to grind it deeper anyway. The one I bought is made by Slime. I guess maybe they make different ones for different depths
You do know that you can buy this tool really cheap on EBay right?
+Ian Harwin - Walmart =$2.00 or Tractor Supply at the Tire / Slime area $3.00 or Autozone - Slime 20088 4-Way Valve Tool with 4 Valve Cores
+Sean Ware - Try this one, I think it's long enough, LOL - CHEAP TOO !!! : www.ebay.com/i/263457095545
Why you want to remove that?
+SuperCyril2 - The purpose of opening this valve is to bleed off excessive air in the tank/canister before refilling it
@@JodBronson ok
Any danger of igniting the remaining propane with an unintended spark?
There’s no oxygen in the bottle itself therefore it can’t explode. If there was an incidental spark the venting propane he had could ignite but the bottle is not going to ‘explode’. I get a kick hearing about people who think these things explode like a bomb. It just doesn’t happen that way
I need the gas cylinder but how to get it?
+M A RAHIM PRAMANIK - Those " Cylinders " are from Portable Soldering Tank. You can find them at Home Depot or Lowes, etc.... Another way is to get them from Camping Area or Store!
sir need cylinder plz help me
His son is speaking Vietnamese
Save yourself the trouble just use a valve tool for car tires
I guess you didn't read the comments above. I have the cross one with rethreader and the shaft is to short. The other one is a screw driver type and the shaft is too thick and needs to be modified.
Schrader Valve
No: it’s not a Schrader valve like on your car. It’s similar to a Schrader valve and it’s removal although the common tools will not work on this particular valve. That’s why he’s demonstrating making your own
What's the purpose of opening the valve?
The purpose of opening this valve is to bleed off excessive air in the tank/canister when refilling it. And allow more gas to be transferred. However, this step is usually not necessary, just put the refill tank/canister in your freezer for about 20-30 min before trying to refill it. The difference transferring warmer gas in a larger tank into a colder one will make the refill tank/canister accept the gas more readily. Thus eliminating the bleed off process. The official statement from Berzomatic is that propane canisters from their company are not to be refilled. You, and/or persons wanting to refill their propane tank/canister(s) should exercise caution when doing so. Overfilling a propane tank/canister can weaken the welded seams on the tank/canister and can eventually, and possibly cause sympathetic explosive detonation. Thus, really ruining your day, week, month, year!..Yeah, you get the message.
+Rick Williams - Well said! A++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@@rickjwilliams well... of course they say dont refill it, I can buy 3 green cans for $20 or or $6 each, or a 20 pound cylinder for $15, if I refill 20 green cans then how is bernzomatic going to make $120 off of me?
You missed the point all together. They tell NOT to refill it because of the poetical to overfill it and cause it to explode. ha..Bet your college educated too, aren't you?
All propane and butane cylinders should not be filled more than 80% of the volume. That is why the valve has a long stem in many cylinders; to ensure that when it reaches 80% liquid instead of gas vents from the valve. They don't want you to refill them for marketing reasons but also for legal liability reasons. Refillable cylinders need to be regularly pressure tested. I have cylinders that were built in the 70s and they are as good as new. Never fill a partially full cylinder and ALWAYS weigh the empty cylinder so that after filling you can confirm that you have added NO MORE than 465g of propane
vuaeco can you make me one of those tools to remove the propane valve, l'm willing to pay you for it
Lots of methamphetamine. That’s what happened here
That is called a Schrader valve. I didn't know you could get that valve out of that can.
John D II shrader valves screw in
I don't know what the point of unscrewing the valve. If it is too refill the small talk, then you do not need to do this. A pair of hemostats will pull up on valve opening it.
You could just buy a set of removal tools for less than 3 dollars.
Walmart =$2.00 or Tractor Supply at the Tire / Slime area $3.00 or Autozone - Slime 20088 4-Way Valve Tool with 4 Valve Cores
Jordan Bronson Not long enough
Valve did not unscrew, fake
Bike store has them, less than a screwdriver.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. The typical removal tools will not work on this valve. The stem as much longer and they won’t engage
NOT the same valve! A tire has Schrader valve, an LPG tank has a pressure relief valve. They DO NOT work the same way.
pupu vuaeco
You should never do that
Thats a safety pressure valve it sensitive to any tempering.
So you are making a tool that already exists and is very cheap. A dime a dozen on the web.
No Paul they don’t exist. The ones you’re thinking of don’t work on this particular valve and that’s the point of making it yourself or modifying one that you can buy
Poorly presented ✖
Are you Simon Cowell?
you just wait a day to make a tire stem remover , which you can buy for $3.00 . Please keep you day job and don't try to fix anything anymore.
I lost my day job. What am I gonna do? :D
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buy this tool and your problem will solve !!
@@3819144 but none of these are deep enough to work on the propane bottles. need to make one like in this video, or modify a COTS one.
Why spend $3 + shipping on a crappy ebay tool when you can make one for free in literally 2 minutes if you have the equipment?
Eddie you need to keep your day job! You can’t buy one of these for three dollars. None of them work on this particular valve. If you were familiar with the process and tools you’d understand that.
WTF? i thought this was going to be about the main filler schrader valve not the safety relief. So dont touch the safety relief on these cylinders.
Yawnnnnnn