Why does Taiwan's ruling DPP take aim at former leader Chiang's statues?
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party is getting ready to assume a historic third term in power.
William Lai of the independence-leaning DPP, is set to be sworn in as the island's next president on May 20th.
At the same time lawmakers from his party are ramping up a campaign to remove the statues of former leader Chiang Kai-shek.
They see these as "symbols of authoritarianism" - linked to Beijing-friendly opposition KMT.
CNA's East Asia Tonight examines the controversy and what does it mean for cross-Strait relations.
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That’s the difference between Asia n Europe. In Europe, they don't censor their dark past, they even teach their kids about it, are honest about, don't make the same mistake. Asia, like Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia.. have the, cover up our past, shh shh, hopefully
people will forget, which people won't.
@90taetaeya. Bullcrap. RUclips has repeatedly censored my posts (I estinate over a hundred). The DPP Taiwan government has closed down opposition favouring media channels. US police are arresting student protesters. Keep your western worshipping to yourself.
@90taetaeya. My comment that your post was bullcrap was swiftly censored by RUclips. You are still in fantasyland.
@90taetaeya. My 2 posts saying you talked bullcrap were immediately censored by UT. Freedom of speech my foot.
Taiwan is in effect a sovereign nation independent of China. The CCP challenges Taiwan's independence, but people from Taiwan have a national identity.
Did Tsai swear an oath on the Republic of China constitution? Will Lai?
Chiang was never for independance of tw. If he was , the ddp would be happy to leave his statues alone
Lolsss. That's a fact. But if not for Him, Taiwan will still be a province of China.
What on Earth are you talking about. That's a great way of twisting things.
If he did not escape to Taiwan. There did be no "independant" taiwan.
@@imjanng sorry Tw was n still is a province of China and not an independant state . He n Tw constitution also said so.
@@nanyanguo1 read the quotation marks. find out what it means in english and how it is used. it means sacarsm.
@@imjanng to blame him is to deflect the blame on the foreign meddler who helped him to escape there . The same meddler who after he was gone is bhind instigating independance for the island.
Conclusion: Culture revolution is happening in Taiwan.
There is a famous saying in Mainland China that you don’t know Culture Revolution is still happening until arriving at Taiwan.
Wow you really know things🙄
@@user_thelongwayaroundWhy are you getting butthurt over the implication that China has no culture? 😂
@@computerzero2681 oh, I’m sorry. You may be the adulterine child of the man who killed millions of people, and now trying to defend and justify your father’s legitimacy representing the Chinese culture. I am so sorry to hurt your feelings 🥲
So would you say denazification in Germany was also the same as the Cultural Revolution?
Thank you for your news👍
I am shocked that taiwan has not collapsed with freedom of speech and their people can afford the courage to speak freely like a free man. The video actually show taiwanese criticising their govt move to remove statues
Hmmm........why now? 🤔
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If the forefathers were slaves ...are the future descendants going to erase history and to say they have no forefathers...?
History is history ... without Chiang Kai Shiak, there would be no modern Taiwan to talk about ...and history will be written differently.
Yes ..the Taiwanese must appreciate history ...statues of the great leader have to be given a place in the province and the excess statues be put at a suitable place for historical learning for the citizens and visitors.
Can the DPP also send all the artifacts in the museum in Taipei to where they really belong in the mainland?
Wow... Removing Chiang Kai Shek.
If you remove that you don't remember your roots. For without him, Taiwan won't be independant.
DPP is rewriting history.
Can the KMT pay reparations first for the tens of thousands of Taiwanese they oppressed, tortured, and murdered? How much should just one life be worth? Would you be willing to be tortured to death if someone offered you all the artifacts in the museum in Taipei? Can all the treasures in all the museums of the entire world bring back a single life that was destroyed?
@@imjanng Chiang was never for independance . If he was , ddp would be happy to leave his statues alone.
The mainland doesn't deserve them after the cultural revolution.
@@nanyanguo1 then taiwan will still be part of China? If it wasn't for the civil war.
Should leave it be, Martial Law was horrible and should he remembered.
Sun Yat Sen was the first leader of Kuo Ming Tang.
One interesting fact about China. The term PRC is the latter incarnation of the former CSR or Chinese Soviet Republic which is a state born under the auspices of the former Soviet Union.
This is new news for the world
DPP : "KMT are foreigners"
The Taiwanese have known that the KMT are foreigners ever since the 228 Massacre. Otherwise, why would they have butchered their compatriots with such hatred and intensity to rival and even outdo the Rape of Nanking? At least in terms of duration, the White Terror lasted a lot longer than the Rape of Nanking. What kind of a loving compatriot would hold a grudge for that long? We are all one family? Talk about domestic violence . . . This far surpasses the worst wife beater.
Are they really saying that????? That's crazy bullshit
Not doubt, they've been criticised dictatorship for long time, at least Chiang Kai Shek(he was general)not afraid to attend military for protecting his country and won't escape during war period. Chiang Ching Kuo used to study abroad in USSR when his was student, he understand what exactly are cummunistism play for in political😅, that's reason he could provided policy did help our economic and business in well development.
Formosa 👍✌️🙏
Luckily, tw no need to say "why? Its none of your business. Dont meddle in our politics".
Reason is, its just news
An interesting fact about China. The term "One China" means ROC, also known as Taiwan.
Yes meaning Taiwan is Chinese territory and belongs to a Chinese state the disagreement stems from which Chinese state
@@stevenbaksh5545shut up wumao!! Taiwan is its own country!!!🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼
One interesting fact about China. The term PRC is the latter incarnation of the former CSR or Chinese Soviet Republic which is a state born under the auspices of the former Soviet Union.
Because people might start asking what 国 is represented by the 国民党。And when the answer comes "Oh, it's 中国,” the next question is going to be "Why is there a party called the China Nationalist Party on Taiwan?" which will lead to the facts and history the DPP is desperate to erase: that Taiwan is, irrefutably, a province of China.
Wishful thinking by China. China did not even exist when the ancestors of the majority of Taiwanese people were settling in Taiwan. There was no China. What is China today was a colony of the Manchurians back then, usually called the Qing Dynasty, a non-Han ethnicity with pigtails.
Yes. Taiwan is a province. And the capital of ROC is Nanjing
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TW has only 12 friends. It's no use.
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😅TW Leader (Tsai Ing-wen) break democracy world record of NOT having “press conference” for more than >700 days.
How this is democracy ?
Chiang's statute is a symbol of Taiwan's 🇹🇼 painful authoritarianism past.
- The current leadership of the opposition KMT is a symbol of Chinese interference into the internal affairs of the democratic country.
Without CKS, there would be no Taiwan. The people of Taiwan should feel grateful to their Founding Father. They owe him the loyalty.
@@mrtienphysics666Without the US, CKS and the KMT would not have survived even in Taiwan. The ultimate benefactor of the Taiwanese at that time was the US, not the KMT or CKS. Also, the KMT founded a dictatorship, not the democracy of today. Again, it was US pressure that forced the KMT to agree to free elections that ultimately removed the KMT from power.
@@mrtienphysics666 Without the US, CKS and the KMT would not have survived even in Taiwan. The ultimate benefactor of the Taiwanese at that time was the US, not the KMT or CKS. Also, the KMT founded a dictatorship, not a democracy. Again, it was US pressure that forced the KMT to agree to free elections.
Taiwan won't be independant without him. Let's just put it this way. Taiwan will not be quarreling with China and will be another province of China.
Uh here uh there, I dont think this man can pass oral. Now I know the standard of CNA. Jkjk la idc.😂😂😂 freedom and democracy!
English isn't their first language but they look like from singapore, how can like that? 😂 jkjk
Democracy and authority coexist. Without authority, there will be anarchy.
Best system is socialism, democracy with a authority.
This is a trivial debate. Those who pick a side are biased.
You are euphemizing inhumane oppression as authority. Legal, humane authority is when people have basic human rights and lose their civil liberties only when they violate other people's rights. Communist systems with fake elections and human rights violations are neither democracies nor legal authorities, but illegal, evil, oppressive regimes governing without the consent of the people.
"A foreign regime from China" 笑 Take a look at the San Francisco Treaty Taiwan peeps.
Exactly, no Taiwanese representative was at the San Francisco Treaty meeting. No one asked us what we thought or wanted. Foreigners decided to give us to foreigners. And then foreigners proved that they were foreigners by committing a genocide against us in 228 and thereafter.
@@michaelyuan3382 That's one way to look at it. Another way is to see it as the victors of WW2 returning stolen property of Qing China to its successor the Republic of China. Taiwan was never an independent state.
@@deanzaZZR First, the Qing Dynasty never controlled the whole of Taiwan. About 2/3 of Taiwan remained under aborigine control until the Japanese period. Even if we ignore the people's right per the United Nations principle of self-determination, the return of "stolen property" should have only included 1/3 of Taiwan and not the whole island. Taiwan also did have a very brief period as an independent state right after the Qing Dynasty had given away Taiwan to Japan with the Shimonoseki Treaty. It was called the Republic of Formosa (臺灣民主國) founded on May 23, 1895 and lasted 151 days until October 21 of that year.
@@michaelyuan3382 Argue much? Qing China exercised full sovereignty over the whole of Taiwan with indigenous peoples administering their areas much like the Miao and other non Han subject of Imperial China. This self administered areas were expect to pay taxes often in local products and were even marshaled for imperial wars see the Ming dispatching Miao troops to Korea during the Imjin War in the 16th century.
@@deanzaZZR First, The Qing government in Tainan had to send troops to war on the Paiwan tribe during the Rover Incident of 1867, making it pretty clear that the aborigine tribes in the south of Taiwan were not under their control. The American Consul to Amoy, Charles Le Gendre, in the Rover Incident subsequently commented: "we see the rights of the Emperor of China over aboriginal Formosa, such as we have said, are not absolute, as long as she remains uncivilized . . . " That comment makes it clear, even if the Qing Dynasty claimed control over the whole of Taiwan, the reality was different. Do you have to pay rent and taxes to me, just because I say so? Given their isolationist mentality, the Qing Dynasty just was never really interested in obtaining the whole of Taiwan. Austronesian aborigines on the western plains were assimilated and intermarried with the Han settlers, but the mountains and the whole of the eastern parts of Taiwan remained pretty much under the control of unassimilated, unconquered native tribes during the Qing Dynasty. That's why there was a classification distinction by the Qing Dynasty between 熟蕃 and 生蕃: civilized and uncivilized (literally, cooked and uncooked), i.e., conquered and unconquered savages. Japan also occupied a part of Taiwan during the Mudan Incident in 1871, breaking the continuity and fragmenting the territory of control by the Qing Dynasty.
Second, you got it completely backwards. Back then, it was the Han, mostly Hokkien and Hakka (and not Miao) Chinese settlers paying rent to the aborigine overlords, not the other way around.
Third, the Miao were not Taiwanese natives. They lived in Hainan and the mountain regions of southern mainland China. Please do not confuse Taiwan with mainland China and Hainan. They are distinct geographical concepts. And I cannot find any mention of the Ming Dynasty sending any troops at all from Taiwan for the Imjin Wars. Please provide your source for the claim. Even if Ming Dynasty sent Miao troops to Korea from China, it doesn't prove that they also sent natives from other parts of the world they did not control. Are you going to argue that the Ming Dynasty also sent American Indians to fight in the Imjin Wars?
The bottom line is that neither the Ming Dynasty nor the Qing Dynasty nor any other non-native power had absolute, unbroken, unfragmented control over the whole of Taiwan prior to the Imperial Japan period. It was Japan that brought unified control over the whole island of Taiwan under one authority after the Shimonoseki Treaty in 1895, followed by the KMT dictatorship in 1945 subsequently. Every other colonial power had only partial control. That's why it is so odious to the Taiwanese to hear communist China's claim on Taiwan based on the Ming or Qing Dynasty history. Neither was communist China, and one of them was not even Chinese, but Manchurian. Frankly, the Dutch and the Spanish have better claims to Taiwan based on history than the current communist Chinese regime. And finally, back to the KMT that started this series of arguments in the first place: yes, they are foreign colonizers of Taiwan, because they chose to massacre, torture, and oppress the Taiwanese people for decades as subhumans, not even as foreigners. That's really all that needs to be said, although I could mention universal principles such as self-determination or repeat all the historical facts that show that the whole of Taiwan has never been part of any "China," never mind communist China, and not even the Republic of China before Taiwan was invaded and occupied by the KMT in 1945 (the original ROC Constitution does not even include Taiwan), etc. But you believe what you want if you are already brainwashed by KMT and communist propaganda. Just know that the Taiwanese will not hand over our homes and lives so willingly. More than 98 or 99% according to the last poll do not want Taiwan to become a second Hong Kong. We will fight for our freedom and independence. We won't let the Chinese colonize us again.
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It doesn't matter how many times the Chinese regime repeats the *lies,*
- Taiwan 🇹🇼 is still an independent country.
Who recognises it as such?
@@stevenbaksh5545Almost everybody, except China.
@@AhmetTekin101 really wow which countries?
@@stevenbaksh5545 Whether Taiwan is an independent country or not, it's not China's concern.
@@AhmetTekin101 why china no concerns?. u think taiwan belong to United snake's.
How about 孙燕姿？