Hi;I've watched a lot of your videos,you are very capable running equipment.I've run dozers years ago,just aD4 and 450 JD.I trained on D8,365Komatsu and TD 15 International,never was taught how to do the things you do.I enjoy your videos,keep it up
This is a very efficient way of moving dirt. I'm impressed. This looks kind of similar to a small scraper cut layout. Using gravity to load and then coming back to clean up your wind row is a great production method. I do have one thing I could point out without being critical; One trick I like to use is to load my blade and push ahead a few feet, back up and get another load, then I can push all of the dirt I built up in one pass. I have used that technique when I backfill and it works great.
Really enjoy your videos! I'm working towards a career as a Heavy Equipment Operator or Technician. I've operated a couple Dozers myself with my father, first one was an old '71 Terex 82-40 with the old 2 Stroker Detroit Diesel 8v71N and the second, an '87 Dresser TD-20G with a Cummins L10. Pretty old school compared to the newer Caterpillar equipment. Keep up the great work and videos. :)
I used this technique a few years ago to build one HELL of a pile for a haul truck loadout (using an excavator). They wanted enough for a day or 2 and then rebuild a new pile. By the time I got done that day, it took them 5 days to get rid of it all.
Excellent work! This is the best concept and execution of "Slot Dozing" that I have seen and heard. I am definitely going to refer this vid to folks that do apprentice training for my local. Once again man, well done.
Hi vantagetes, many thanks for the technical detail on "slot-dozing"! I have always wondered why a driver start from seemingly a mile always from the destination dump when pushing dirt? Because as you say, the blade is full inside a few seconds, and it can take maybe 3 minutes or more to reach the dump. Doing it the way you explain makes more sense on several criteria. Less power necessary, more dirt shifted, and its quicker to name but a few. Many thanks for the lesson!
Good job. We do this in our coal mine with 2 d11's and 2 475's. Always front to back, carrying dirt at least 30' past the coal, then start to ramp up at an easy carry angle. Keep cut down in front almost to the coal to eliminate re-handle. Faster going front to back. Good luck.
Hello Daniel L, GraderJohn is a name I picked because I enjoy grading. I have graded with dozer's, graders, track loaders, skid loaders, rubber tire loaders, just to name a few. I never said anything about chasing windrows. You center on one, bury your blade as soon as you can and again you have a full blade and your getting dirt rolling off closer to the pile. I have NEVER in 40 years of operating lost with this technique.
it's necessary. if you don't clear the blade of material (especially when you end the push going up-hill) you are carrying a yard of dirt back with you, and dirt will be more likely to really stick hard to the blade and need to be scraped off which greatly reduces efficiency when the dirt can't "boil" on a clean blade
It's not hitting the ground its using the quick drop then catching it with the hydraulics. The camera mounted to the center of the rear window amplified the noise making it seem louder than it is.
This all works better for very large dozers such as 10s and 11s most have twin tilts to roll blade forward a little to load then roll blade back to help carry load and when you as you finish dumping load roll forward helps stuff from sticking to blade, notice he was raising and dropping while dumping load!
Some guys just never get it. You can be operating right next to them and stop and explain and demonstrate. They nod their heads, say they get it, and then go fuck everything up.
@bloggs692413 Slopes are the same as working flat except the dirt will want to fall downhill (so work top down if you're going sideways). About the only difference from working on the flat is the slope will tell you you're doing it wrong when you end up at the bottom on your lid! Yes for shifting you should de-accel both for gears and direction.
This video was awesome because now I know how slot dozing is done which was a question that I had since I'm totally blind I would not have picked up on that otherwise and I found out that I was doing it and didn't even know it when I was clearing my front steps with my toy caterpillar D11 T my D8 T in my 280 9D
That depends on blade type and also what you are doing pushing downhill on a big back fill job in a deep cut with a very steep angel decrease cycle time and also you end up moving dirt in the toe that does not need to be moved.
@calboy5858 No dumb questions, only dumb answers. Slot dozing is where your are pushing dirt through a slot or channel. This is extremely effective for moving large amount of dirt quickly, and over a long distance.
@bloggs692413 Set your blade on the ground as you finish backing up. If you set it on the ground then lift it you're going to leave a hump and start the washboard effect. Other than that it just takes time to get the "feel". Some people will never have it so don't feel bad.
@ToonandBBfan Well depends on what you're doing, I've run a really nice D6R but D8 is a good size for bulking and finishing. Very well rounded machine. Of course you can't beat the wonderful rumble sound of a D11 though.
You can argue about shacking the blade all you want. Tomato tamato. This is exactly how to slot push. Maximizing production while conserving fuel and finals by using the effects gravity has on the mass of the dozer. And, saving time as well by not backing all the way up every time. Increases cycle time. All this equals big money. Basically if you back over it. Push it as soon as there's enough for a blade load.
This is a good instructive video. Looks like he has some damp clay that's hard to get rid of. Some material is less convenient to deal with. You guys with your smart ass remarks try growing up a little bit. You might learn something.
Could you guys do some more educational videos on proper techniques for machines? I'd be really interested to learn proper excavator techniques. I know there's a lot that goes on that the untrained eye doesn't see. Thanks for the vids guys!
was that a 9R you're using there, I wish more operators would learn this application in bulk pushing, all I can say is you're doing a good job, fuck what all these other turkeys think.
Phil Park plus he didn’t even have a blade full so it’s just wearing out the bushings in the hydraulic cylinders, so let’s see what you can do and what your expertise is big guy...
Sounds like you just mixed the black dirt in by "boiling it". It takes one cat length to get a full blade of dirt, after that the dirt shouldn't be moving but just carried on the blade. This allows you to get up into second gear and transport the dirt down the slow. If you are rolling dirt off the blade you are just wasting time and fuel. The most dirt any dozer can push is a FULL BLADE. Once you have a full blade you cant push any more so don't waste fuel pushing through windrows.
We don't need to buy viewers with shirts, they come for the vast wealth of proper operating techniques, tips and tricks. This channel was created for education and we try to keep things lively with the humor.
@hanratty450 Actually you're wrong. He works for one of his family members so he is an employee too. I care a lot about the machines in my company as we will run gear out to 40,000+ hours. I doubt Chris has anything over 2,000. I gaurentee there is nothing wrong with anything in this video. I've also been told John Deere uses it to show their clients how to production doze.
@vantagetes this is how I was show how to slot dozer, I operant a D6R and I was working with a guy on a D8 and he would do it the worry way, I was able to keep up with him at the start. unit he notice what I was doing and pick up his game. Made me fill good
@calboy5858 Nope just shaping the slope so no one falls off the edge. That vertical wall is right at the end of a street and about 3 feet off someones backyard.
The difference between him and I is that I chunk up a couple piles of loose then carry all the dozer will push without slippen tracks.I feel I'm getting the most load for the least abuse.....twice the load 4 half the wear...(in a perfect world) YOU? PS I also use tilt to break suction of dirt remaining suck to blade....to each his own
Great vid. personally dont agree with shaking the blade so hard on every discharge but horses for course (that said, all my dozing has been with an excavator not a purpose built machine). One question, when cutting slots, how do you tackle the infill between slots if your clearing a wide site?
I have proven that slot dozing is not the best way.If u keep pushing the windrows instead, u will have a channel in no time.Try to boil over dirt all the way 2 fill area or pile. If your not boiling over dirt stop & go back 4 some more.Start at the highest part of the cut 1st then the furthest point back next.The dirt is always moving forward & not getting as sticky 2 the blade. 2 of us were stripping black dirt.I had smaller tractor, I finished my 1/2 first with this method.
GraderJohn I have actually found this true as well, minus starting at the back if you edge out and catch your windrows from front to back no slot dozing will ever touch the amount of production.
@vantagetes oh ok, another ? are you planning on taking out that dirt and if so then why dont you use scapers to move the dirt wouldnt that move the dirt quicker or are you just shaping the dirt kinda looks like your building into that hill.
That, boys and girls, is how to properly run a cat. Downhill as much as you can to move the majority of the dirt, clean up the windrows and then a little 2nd gear finishing. Urah, as R. Lee Ermy would say!
Is it a D9 or a D10 you're drivin' in that video... from inside it's hard to tell wich one!! I already drive a D9, the cab looks really close to the one I had drive.
@620cumins Eh not really the rams aren't hitting the ends so it's cushioned by the hydraulics. Plus how else are you gonna get the dirt off? I'm not saying you should do it all the time but its not completely wrecking anything and its the only way to do the work.
With all do respect vantagetes, I do not mix up materials. But when you hit the windrows, Yes the the dirt is rolling off your blade, but the dirt rolled off closer to the pile than it was. Your way, you have a full blade and everything else stays put. My way you have full blade AND you are advancing more dirt towards pile. I have argued this point over the years and after showing some Awesome operators this method, they change there ways. I am not trying to make enemies. Only trying to help.
How is that hard on the machine. Those cats are over built. And besides how are you sapposed to get the material stuck to the blade off with out shakin the blade?
@theoman69 I teach people all the time. Everyone on my current site I've hired and/or trained on their current machine. Except the rock truck drivers and well...lost cause there haha!
@hanratty450 geez some with plenty of clues on here, i gaurantee what Jason is showing is the correct way to do it when circumstances allow, the machine is being used for what it is designed for. What a comment dude
Never seen a dozer hand slam the blade onto the ground every cut 🤦🏻♂️…..Then slam the fuck outta it to get the material to fall off the blade …. You’d be two checked out here abusing that machine like that ….
Watch closely, the blade isn’t hitting the ground. The camera is mounted in the center of the back window so it’s picking up the sound of something shaking when the balance of the machine changes.
@hanratty450 Nobody is being hard on this dozer either, the sound travels through the metal (the camera was hard mounted to frame). And next time you want to compare maybe pick someone who actually knows about dozers? (See the video "Letsdig18 Owing Us Lunch").
@mstaff657 Do you know how vibration is magnified when a suction cup is placed in the center of a large window? As sound is a wave it gets magnified as well. There's no damage to the machine and this is a safety slope for a 7 meter fill. Once again you're dumbass.
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Thanks for taking the time to explain your technique Jason, that great to watch man, appreciate it!!
I'm a civilengineer from iran and i learned somthing from it
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Hi;I've watched a lot of your videos,you are very capable running equipment.I've run dozers years ago,just aD4 and 450 JD.I trained on D8,365Komatsu and TD 15 International,never was taught how to do the things you do.I enjoy your videos,keep it up
This is a very efficient way of moving dirt. I'm impressed. This looks kind of similar to a small scraper cut layout. Using gravity to load and then coming back to clean up your wind row is a great production method.
I do have one thing I could point out without being critical; One trick I like to use is to load my blade and push ahead a few feet, back up and get another load, then I can push all of the dirt I built up in one pass. I have used that technique when I backfill and it works great.
Really enjoy your videos! I'm working towards a career as a Heavy Equipment Operator or Technician. I've operated a couple Dozers myself with my father, first one was an old '71 Terex 82-40 with the old 2 Stroker Detroit Diesel 8v71N and the second, an '87 Dresser TD-20G with a Cummins L10. Pretty old school compared to the newer Caterpillar equipment. Keep up the great work and videos. :)
I used this technique a few years ago to build one HELL of a pile for a haul truck loadout (using an excavator). They wanted enough for a day or 2 and then rebuild a new pile. By the time I got done that day, it took them 5 days to get rid of it all.
Excellent work! This is the best concept and execution of "Slot Dozing" that I have seen and heard. I am definitely going to refer this vid to folks that do apprentice training for my local. Once again man, well done.
As he always does VT has given free of charge 100% accurate info, real nice job mate
Hi vantagetes,
many thanks for the technical detail on "slot-dozing"!
I have always wondered why a driver start from seemingly a mile always from the destination dump when pushing dirt? Because as you say, the blade is full inside a few seconds, and it can take maybe 3 minutes or more to reach the dump.
Doing it the way you explain makes more sense on several criteria. Less power necessary, more dirt shifted, and its quicker to name but a few.
Many thanks for the lesson!
Good job. We do this in our coal mine with 2 d11's and 2 475's. Always front to back, carrying dirt at least 30' past the coal, then start to ramp up at an easy carry angle. Keep cut down in front almost to the coal to eliminate re-handle. Faster going front to back. Good luck.
thanks for the video man i'm not a dozer man so this helped out whenever i had to get on one
Hello Daniel L,
GraderJohn is a name I picked because I enjoy grading. I have graded with dozer's, graders, track loaders, skid loaders, rubber tire loaders, just to name a few.
I never said anything about chasing windrows. You center on one, bury your blade as soon as you can and again you have a full blade and your getting dirt rolling off closer to the pile. I have NEVER in 40 years of operating lost with this technique.
it's necessary. if you don't clear the blade of material (especially when you end the push going up-hill) you are carrying a yard of dirt back with you, and dirt will be more likely to really stick hard to the blade and need to be scraped off which greatly reduces efficiency when the dirt can't "boil" on a clean blade
Thank you for the explanation.Very informative.You should make more of this.
Your a great operator for such a young man. I see you use invisible glass, that stuff is the best.
It's not hitting the ground its using the quick drop then catching it with the hydraulics. The camera mounted to the center of the rear window amplified the noise making it seem louder than it is.
This all works better for very large dozers such as 10s and 11s most have twin tilts to roll blade forward a little to load then roll blade back to help carry load and when you as you finish dumping load roll forward helps stuff from sticking to blade, notice he was raising and dropping while dumping load!
Some guys just never get it. You can be operating right next to them and stop and explain and demonstrate. They nod their heads, say they get it, and then go fuck everything up.
@bloggs692413 Slopes are the same as working flat except the dirt will want to fall downhill (so work top down if you're going sideways). About the only difference from working on the flat is the slope will tell you you're doing it wrong when you end up at the bottom on your lid! Yes for shifting you should de-accel both for gears and direction.
This video was awesome because now I know how slot dozing is done which was a question that I had since I'm totally blind I would not have picked up on that otherwise and I found out that I was doing it and didn't even know it when I was clearing my front steps with my toy caterpillar D11 T my D8 T in my 280 9D
That depends on blade type and also what you are doing pushing downhill on a big back fill job in a deep cut with a very steep angel decrease cycle time and also you end up moving dirt in the toe that does not need to be moved.
@calboy5858 No dumb questions, only dumb answers. Slot dozing is where your are pushing dirt through a slot or channel. This is extremely effective for moving large amount of dirt quickly, and over a long distance.
@bloggs692413 Set your blade on the ground as you finish backing up. If you set it on the ground then lift it you're going to leave a hump and start the washboard effect. Other than that it just takes time to get the "feel". Some people will never have it so don't feel bad.
Great info, makes perfect sense once you start to picture it. Now if it was only that easy to actually get into the business...
@ToonandBBfan Well depends on what you're doing, I've run a really nice D6R but D8 is a good size for bulking and finishing. Very well rounded machine. Of course you can't beat the wonderful rumble sound of a D11 though.
You can argue about shacking the blade all you want. Tomato tamato. This is exactly how to slot push. Maximizing production while conserving fuel and finals by using the effects gravity has on the mass of the dozer. And, saving time as well by not backing all the way up every time. Increases cycle time. All this equals big money. Basically if you back over it. Push it as soon as there's enough for a blade load.
This is a good instructive video. Looks like he has some damp clay that's hard to get rid of. Some material is less convenient to deal with. You guys with your smart ass remarks try growing up a little bit. You might learn something.
Could you guys do some more educational videos on proper techniques for machines? I'd be really interested to learn proper excavator techniques. I know there's a lot that goes on that the untrained eye doesn't see. Thanks for the vids guys!
was that a 9R you're using there, I wish more operators would learn this application in bulk pushing, all I can say is you're doing a good job, fuck what all these other turkeys think.
It's a D8R. I don't worry about what arm chair operators think, I know the proper way to do it. They can either learn or pretend they can do it all.
If I caught you bumping the hydraulics to empty your blade on my machine, I'd send your ass to the unemployment office.
He isn't bumping the blade, its just the fact that the camera is mounted in the middle of the rear window.
Looks like he need a lesson on how to operate to me I’d run his ass off my dozer too
Nick Jonze upload a video then so we can all see
Phil Park then check out the videos on my channel I have a few from work there smart guy
Phil Park plus he didn’t even have a blade full so it’s just wearing out the bushings in the hydraulic cylinders, so let’s see what you can do and what your expertise is big guy...
Sounds like you just mixed the black dirt in by "boiling it". It takes one cat length to get a full blade of dirt, after that the dirt shouldn't be moving but just carried on the blade. This allows you to get up into second gear and transport the dirt down the slow. If you are rolling dirt off the blade you are just wasting time and fuel. The most dirt any dozer can push is a FULL BLADE. Once you have a full blade you cant push any more so don't waste fuel pushing through windrows.
tank for you'r video mate. I can't understand good you'r english but the video ti's enough for me.
We don't need to buy viewers with shirts, they come for the vast wealth of proper operating techniques, tips and tricks. This channel was created for education and we try to keep things lively with the humor.
this is how we push our silage in our pits in the dairy i run, we have a D10 we do this same thing with and good operatein man!
@hanratty450 Actually you're wrong. He works for one of his family members so he is an employee too. I care a lot about the machines in my company as we will run gear out to 40,000+ hours. I doubt Chris has anything over 2,000. I gaurentee there is nothing wrong with anything in this video. I've also been told John Deere uses it to show their clients how to production doze.
very good, learned something today.
Slot dozing steady got me moving more material than anyone
@vantagetes this is how I was show how to slot dozer, I operant a D6R and I was working with a guy on a D8 and he would do it the worry way, I was able to keep up with him at the start. unit he notice what I was doing and pick up his game. Made me fill good
Very cool! well explained, thanks
If this guy was operating my bulldozer and banging the blade like that every time that he made a pass pushing the dirt ! I WOULD FIRE HIM !
Anyone who is doubting vantagetes proper way of trenching bulking material with a Cat should just listen. Right on bud that's proper.
@calboy5858 Nope just shaping the slope so no one falls off the edge. That vertical wall is right at the end of a street and about 3 feet off someones backyard.
The difference between him and I is that I chunk up a couple piles of loose then carry all the dozer will push without slippen tracks.I feel I'm getting the most load for the least abuse.....twice the load 4 half the wear...(in a perfect world) YOU? PS I also use tilt to break suction of dirt remaining suck to blade....to each his own
I couldn’t believe the way he slammed the fuck outta this machine to get the material to release
@620cumins only one tilt cylinder on this beast so can't adjust the blade pitch. I know what you mean though, just can't do it on this machine.
@bloggs692413 In what context are you asking? Where to set the blade when you are carrying while slot dozing??? Or just trying to blade level?
Great vid. personally dont agree with shaking the blade so hard on every discharge but horses for course (that said, all my dozing has been with an excavator not a purpose built machine).
One question, when cutting slots, how do you tackle the infill between slots if your clearing a wide site?
That is some pretty nasty dirt considering how much you have to shake the blade to get it off.
thats why i like the d10, pitch the blade back to carry dirt then dump it off the end
It's quicker because you aren't in reverse as much. The other way you back up the full length of the slot EVERY time.
@glags They should sponsor me in the winter!
you are really good compleet manual use without the gps laser sensor
I have proven that slot dozing is not the best way.If u keep pushing the windrows instead, u will have a channel in no time.Try to boil over dirt all the way 2 fill area or pile. If your not boiling over dirt stop & go back 4 some more.Start at the highest part of the cut 1st then the furthest point back next.The dirt is always moving forward & not getting as sticky 2 the blade.
2 of us were stripping black dirt.I had smaller tractor, I finished my 1/2 first with this method.
GraderJohn I have actually found this true as well, minus starting at the back if you edge out and catch your windrows from front to back no slot dozing will ever touch the amount of production.
@waults Same idea except most of the time plowing snow you start at the back.
@vantagetes oh ok, another ? are you planning on taking out that dirt and if so then why dont you use scapers to move the dirt wouldnt that move the dirt quicker or are you just shaping the dirt kinda looks like your building into that hill.
That, boys and girls, is how to properly run a cat. Downhill as much as you can to move the majority of the dirt, clean up the windrows and then a little 2nd gear finishing. Urah, as R. Lee Ermy would say!
Great vid!! Awesome detail and explantion! What model dozer? Was this the CAT D8R in your other vids?
Is it a D9 or a D10 you're drivin' in that video... from inside it's hard to tell wich one!!
I already drive a D9, the cab looks really close to the one I had drive.
@cat345cl Panasonic DMC-TS1 and a Filmtools Gripper.
@620cumins Eh not really the rams aren't hitting the ends so it's cushioned by the hydraulics. Plus how else are you gonna get the dirt off? I'm not saying you should do it all the time but its not completely wrecking anything and its the only way to do the work.
great vid man as usual,,whats the camera and the mount bro
With all do respect vantagetes,
I do not mix up materials. But when you hit the windrows, Yes the the dirt is rolling off your blade, but the dirt rolled off closer to the pile than it was. Your way, you have a full blade and everything else stays put. My way you have full blade AND you are advancing more dirt towards pile. I have argued this point over the years and after showing some Awesome operators this method, they change there ways. I am not trying to make enemies. Only trying to help.
nice...proper use of the blade
great Vid mate you covered alot. was you thumping hydrualics down or going over bumps? thumbs up, have subscribed. hi from NZ
Same as snow plowing a parking lot with a loader right?
I always shake the material lose with the tilt, sticky stuff
@yastachik This is a D8R
if you do any more slot dozing could you get an outside view?
Can you link the video of your outside view showing Slot Dozing?
nice vid jason !
@redheadedduckhunter Already did! HDD ate one but I have another in D10R format!
Whats your favourite size and model of Dozer please Vantagetes?
dumb question but what is slot dozing?
By the way I pulled my first lever on a D6 in 1960.
this should turn any average operator into a much more productive one. well done
How is that hard on the machine. Those cats are over built. And besides how are you sapposed to get the material stuck to the blade off with out shakin the blade?
@Xx69roadrunnerxX Yes it is.
@theoman69 I teach people all the time. Everyone on my current site I've hired and/or trained on their current machine. Except the rock truck drivers and well...lost cause there haha!
@jfallsie it's kidcos 8R jeff.
Easy with the joystick...its not how fast ....it cycle time..and quit dropping the blade you will burn a cyl seal fast.
@Suckmycable I think you're the only "driver" on this page mate.
this video helped me quite bit
@vantagetes was it the d10r pushing mud with a 637 or 651?
@hanratty450 geez some with plenty of clues on here, i gaurantee what Jason is showing is the correct way to do it when circumstances allow, the machine is being used for what it is designed for.
What a comment dude
@redheadedduckhunter Just a little one, D8R.
Can you use this technique for larger swales?
Carly Bidois can use this technique anytime you have to move dirt any sort of distance
Carly Bidois can use this technique anytime you have to move dirt any sort of distance
what dozer are you using?
@vantagetes Yup, I think so to. Probably a triple driver who watches the dozer all day and "knows" what he's doing.
100 percent correct.
@hvy1ton Wet clay and I'm "dumping" up hill.
what r u building
@vantagetes he owns all of his shit, you just work for someone. so wtf do you care if your hard on it or not
Alberta Strong bud...
@vantagetes Great job!!!!!!!!!!
Never seen a dozer hand slam the blade onto the ground every cut 🤦🏻♂️…..Then slam the fuck outta it to get the material to fall off the blade …. You’d be two checked out here abusing that machine like that ….
Watch closely, the blade isn’t hitting the ground. The camera is mounted in the center of the back window so it’s picking up the sound of something shaking when the balance of the machine changes.
is it wrong that i put off having my lunch for so i could watch a video about a bulldozer! :)
Amen.
@hanratty450 Nobody is being hard on this dozer either, the sound travels through the metal (the camera was hard mounted to frame). And next time you want to compare maybe pick someone who actually knows about dozers? (See the video "Letsdig18 Owing Us Lunch").
That's how you slam a blade too lol
@redheadedduckhunter D10N
@mstaff657 Do you know how vibration is magnified when a suction cup is placed in the center of a large window? As sound is a wave it gets magnified as well. There's no damage to the machine and this is a safety slope for a 7 meter fill. Once again you're dumbass.