Gotta agree, prices are getting realistic. Incidentally, your railway is much cheaper than a similar sized HO setup. Looks like a lot of fun, really useful. Thanks kindly for sharing.
For about 20 feet it costs me about $40 USD in steel, I got scrap wood and pipe for free. Design is exactly the same but the wood is 2x4s This video series has been great inspiration for my 15” gauge railway, keep up the great videos!
i'm building a replica of your railway but 5" gauge, around the goat field.... its great fun and thank you for the inspiration. simon and dorothy in France.
I think "never" is a bit black/white overexaggerated. It's about the balance between cost and joy. 120 euros for 6 meters is not expensive and it's a fun hobby.
I watch your videos when I can and I find it absolutely amazing your railroad is coming along real nice and from a U.S. point of it fairly cheap price wise . I started mine when I had one with metal fence post or as we call them in oklahoma T- post it worked really well . Anyway I enjoy watching your videos and your progress. Keep it going sir
honestly this is so great to see the progress on this and it looks so much fun too. Your breakdown of the costs is actually one of the better ones i've seen arround and a nice overview.
Tim your a genius we marvel at what you do my husband thinks you marvellous 🤩.With your inventions.Will watch on later .Help us to relax for the weekend.GodBless. Love Ireland 🇮🇪.
I enjoy watching your videos! Great fun and good ideas. But to justify a railroad, you need to have a lot of stuff you need to carry. I live in my single family home, and the only thing I need to carry a lot of frequently is firewood for my wood stove. I use scrap wood gleaned from businesses in the area, and I chuck that wood in my Chevy Astro van to carry it to my home. I have a pav ed driveway in the front of my home with a large wood crate I use for storing cut firewood, and an unpaved driveway along the side of my house. I dumped a load of crushed rock on that side driveway circa 1987 or so, and while grass has grown up around that completely, it still provides support for my van when driving on it and prevents it from getting muddy. When I drive a load of wood home, I back into that side driveway which provides access to a basement door. Inside the door is a table saw I use to cut the used lumber to length, nail and all. Once cut I can carry that wood to that front wood crate for storage, or carry it up the basement stairs in a box to be burned in my stove. I also store wood under cover beside that side driveway. So I'm able to use my van for moving a heavy load of firewood, and I can unload it and store it from my van pretty easily. Once store, I can pick up lengths of lumber and cut it to length on my table saw. All this can be done pretty easily as part of my daily life. So I can't really think of an application for a railway like yours. What I've devised is quite simple and efficient, and more or less cost free, wood included. Wood comes from businesses that are a half mile away or about three miles away. The scrap wood I get is odds 'n ends from a lumber yard or lumber used for packing large sheets of granite ---- 2x4, 2x6 and such lumber. I can often get a van load when I'm driving around for other purposes, so often I don't even to make a special trip. I enjoy making fires, and even now in early May, a fire is needed to take the chill off the house unless it's sunny. So I'm afraid I can't think of an application for a railway. DARN!
Now you just need a e-bike and a heavy duty bicycle utility trailer to transport your wood without any gasoline, that way when they stop making gasoline in 2030 you'll still be operational.
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While I wouldn't use this as a "scale" railway set up, this would be fantastic as a functioning narrow gauge system for use around a farm. I could see it now, a small critter powered with a cheap gas engine and a couple dozen cars to haul vegetables, building supplies, feed, hay/straw, manure, chemicals, firewood, fuel, gravel, etc... And the whole thing is both flexible and easy to maintain, all for the cost of a used pick-up truck.
The wider the gauge, the better the stability. The flat bar steel for rails, solves a lot of headaches. Its relatively light,easy to impart gentle turns and not heavy to work with. For a light railway not using a locomotive it looks ideal. the downside is contact area available for wheels which are driving, trying to grip the rails as they do on a locomotive.
Tim, Thank you for the update and the cost break down. One thing that people need to consider is YOU built it for YOUR needs and their needs/desires may be different than yours. You have done an outstanding job on the design, development and building of the railroad track, switches and carts. Looking forward to more of your videos.
I like the fun part of it. One of those systems would work for us two ol'ladies bringing in the groceries from the car. You never cease to amaze. Great job Tim. Blessings to all ❤
I may be daydreaming, but I imagine in 5 years time we'll see you with 3 full wood sheds, a proper charcoal kiln, 12 more wagons, and a cute little turntable interchange. I am quite excited looking forward to the future!
@@priestesslucy a km of two-way railroad in most cases will cost way more than km of a two-way asphalt road. This is a topic for much bigger discussion, though.
A hand OR pedal operated Section Trike would be easy enough to bodge together, to allow "powered" (man) locomotion, and heavier loads ( or more flat cars!). Gudonya from Down Under.
@@andrewreynolds4949 yes I saw the price for an N gauge class 08 shunter and thought I've had cars that cost less than that quite a lot less actually and they were worth every penny, just sadly not worth a penny more
Awesome, ever since I saw it the first time I knew I just have to make the same at my farm in Zambia. It will be awesome. Thanks for sharing this with us all.
I have considerable frost heave on wet ground. I have considered driving poles to build on top of, but it's a big job! Maybe a small railway sometime... Thanks for posting this!
4:14 "we in Ireland live in one of the most expensive countrys in the world." I was going to complain about the prices here in NE America. but it was just the supplier I was looking at, here are the cheaper prices I found 1/8'' x 2'' x 20' = ~39$ ea - €37 1/8'' x 3'' x 20' = ~59$ ea - €56
Once upon a moon, no civil, mining or industrial project was complete without a narrow gauge rail system. The movable, flexible track is genius and could be used for light transport without needing ballast in temporary situations no doubt. Wish we had a big enough plot to warrant something like this too!
Outstanding! Thank you for the breakdown! Much better than a quad, as the railway is long lasting, and has given you so many opportunities for creativity and engineering! Take good care! Cheers from Guam! 🇬🇺
Although your railway is mainly for industrial purpose, I think it could work as a leisure railway too! You can take a ride whenever there’s some free time to kill
Little jhon wanted to build his own railway system ,he made a track using GALVANIZED round STEEL and ecofriendly wood veneers and pegs that he borrowed from his aunt. Lovely video the sentence above is an internet meme from nowadays
I never felt that the prices were artificially low. In Hungary today 6m of the 50x8mm flat steel would cost 20k HUF, around 52 EURs, double that and it's 104 EURs just for the two sides and not counting for anything else. Everything is expensive here and we are the center of Europe. So, I think you are pretty lucky. :)
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 I think there are multiple reasons. Mainly the war, which made the EURHUF rate really bad, really quickly. Everything coming from outside went up in price, general high inflation in the world (COVID&war) and lastly the construction industry was really booming (government projects and subsidies for families). Not even mentioning the highest VAT of 27% in the EU, which was a given, but of course it will also increase in the absolute terms when prices increase.
I wonder if small gauge local railways will return for industries such as farming. With the rising cost of fossil fuels today it is becoming much more expensive to run farm equipment. With a small gauge, flexible track, steam powered railway farmers may potentially be able to use less fuel by dropping off grain or collected produce onto mobile trains that then take the long journey back to the collection points. These small engines could potentially run on steam and their fireboxes could burn any available fuel from scrap lumber to waste oil to coal. This could potentially help farmers save on fuel costs in the long run. With a flexible and easily modifiable track they could also run much more heavy duty cranes into the field to assist in recovery and repair of downed equipment even in potentially soft or muddy terrain. An interesting thought experiment. There are probably many downsides Im not thinking of.
What would be kinda interesting is how you do the curved sections of track down the end of the new section of track. Cuz one rail has to be longer than the other, while maintaining the same gauge.
I believe that it’s worth every penny you’ve spent so far ! Just think , you’ll have the only privately owned Railroad in Ireland 🇮🇪 and quite possibly Europe ! Now how cool is that ! Your prices are a bit high compared to the United States especially on the steel , a 24ft. 3” x 1/2” cold rolled is $32.00 and 10 ton of rock is $125.00 delivered . Not sure on the wood though and the nuts and bolts are about the same plus there’s a ton of free galvanized pipe for free by me ( everyone is changing there water pipe to copper or plastic ) and I’m enjoying your adventures !
I use recycled asphalt as ballast because I get it for free and it compacts when exposed to heat, which helps keep the base stable. Unfortunately, grass grows easily in it.
4:21 "yours is probably cheaper" Sweden: "screams in taxes", Jokes aside, thanks for giving a rundown on how much the parts cost. Not sure how much I would have to pay, wouldn't be surprised if it's at least twice as much with how much everything become more expensive.
thank you for this video while this looks cool, I think I'll still stick with rubber tire carts although I am seriously considering converting them all to steel wheels, because tire replacement every 5 years is a pain
As hard as it is to believe we pay more than that for steel in Australia and we don't even have to import it. Presuming that those lengths you are using are 6metres long, that amount of steel would cost the equivalent of 88 euros in Sydney.
I think I would estimate the ballast a little higher. It may be that cheap for the American's, I don't know. But in England, unless you are buying it by the tonne, it costs about that much for about 9ft of track. or 3 sq foot
I do model steam railroading in 45mm gauge (slightly less than 2"). Although there are many competing manufacturers in Europe, Britain and the USA, cost tends to be something like 10-15 Euro / meter. The cost it seems is rather comparable I think. So choosing your track gauge is about what you want to be able to run on your railway. Regardless of gauge, field railways can take very sharp curves and pretty rough track, narrow gauge designs coming in second. And if you want to run models of standard gauge railway locomotives and wagons, you need minimum radius curves that take up so much space, that most people just don't have space for anything above 45mm gauge. Which is why this has become the garden railway standard. But there might be a club that you can join, and run on a shared railway with a / several gauges, bringing your own locomotive(s) and rolling stock. This is actually a very nice way to enjoy shared fun! Whatever you do - stick to a standard gauge!!! But if you for example inherited some odd gauge locomotive, you can also build a double gauge 3-rail track. The switches are a bit more complicated, and you have to take into consideration what minimum radius curves normally applies to that gauge. Even in 45mm gauge, I've ended up in trouble, because I was heavily invested in Märklin track and switches, before finding out that all my railroading friends narrow gauge wehicles had to deep wheel flanges to be able to run on (specifically) Märklin track. Also, Märklin and many other German manufacturers allow for a rather extreme minimum radius of 1m even for standard gauge models (1:32). However the widely recognized standard is 3m, which means I had to set up a special loop with 2m radius fordd a new pretty exclusive engine. Now that was really stupid, even though I simply assumed I would never come into ownership of another such expensive locomotive. But ny good fortune, I now have... so once again I need to add track for a larger radius, this time minimum 3m. But I only have one switch that i built 45 years ago (when I was 15) that has 3m radius. (Currently I have 7 for r1m; 4 for r2,3m and one for r3m.) I run 1:32 scale live steam on 45mm gauge track, but in larger gauges steam locomotives are VERY big projects, also physically heavy to handle, which factors in. It's akin to transporting a horse to a show, when visiting a track with your locomotive. (Be ware, different safety regulations may apply, to operating passenger miniature railways in different countries. Make sure to adhere to those standars as well! Otherwise you are stuck. Also you can't sell, swap or give things with/to other people. I have considered building a 7 1/4" gauge railway also. (In western USA also 7 1/2" is used. Nowhere else!) Though that one would be electrically / battery operated. But never say never, as previous experience has taught me... :-D
Thanks, Anders. There don't seem to be any groups here in Ireland, and I wouldn't have the time to attend any meetings anyway. I just made my railway to be useful to me and so far it has been. I have to build everything that goes on it anyway, so I don't worry about it being a standard guage here. Although in Britain 15" is still quite common, I think.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Yes, I think 15" is a standard gauge used both for passenger hauling in amusement parks and such, as well as being used for doing actual work, like you do with your railway. I really like your welded together wheels - especially the way you have created the inward curve shape of the flanges made me smile! It is in the true spirit of field railways!😄 Whatever works, is simple, and cheap! I like it so much, that I imediately felt the urge to make some wheels like that my self, though in my case about 1 1/2" in diameter, out of tin can sheet metal, and gluing or soldering together the pieces. The rest of whatever wagon type it might become, will use very light weight materials like cardboard and balsa wood. (With a few layers of varnish and paint, it becomes sturdy enough. Also I was very inspired by you putting some aestetic attention to iron strappings of the wood body. The reason I would want to build such light weight model wagons, is I have this toy vertical steam boat engine and boiler (something Mamod and Wilesco makes), that I'm thingking of turning into a classic USA late 19th century logging locomotive. Aparently it happened more than once that steam boat engines were repurposed this way. And the locomotives would be one-off designs constructed largely using wood. In my case however, the tiny one cylinder boat steam engine is very weak - that's why I need ultra-light waggons to go with such a locomotive. About your track, perhaps you could get some pressure treated wooden sleepers/ties for free from local lumberyards? Because at least here in Sweden, I can have as many as I want for free, of the wooden pieces used crosswise to stack the wood during treatment and delivery. They are otherwise only discarded. Because they were there during the pressure treatment, it's as well treated as anything you pay for. 😃 I use some 1m x 45mm x 70mm pieces for many things, but I have thought that they would also be ideal as track ties / sleepers. By the way, if you do build and electrically powered locomotive, I suggest you make it radio controlled. It's clever, because it's dual purpose. You can use it both when sitting up riding on the locomotive, as well as operate standing by. Have fun! Cheers from Sweden😃
I'm surprised at how cheap your rails are even with the high prices, how much is one of those big basket carts? My grandma had a rather large yard with a garden going all the way around the back starting on either side of the house (think 1950s US suburbs but the fancy 2 story homes) As she got older she had trouble hauling her tools around so I built a monorail that went around the garden and hung on the side of the fence posts with the cart hanging below the rail. It was some bent rebar for the supports and a similar (but smaller) flat bar rail. I even made a little box to push the cart into to keep it safe and dry on one end.
Hi...I was thinking aloud if this system of narrow gauge railway will solve my problem of transporting materials up a 50 meter 45 degrees slope. The cart could be towed by a hoist
thx very much I waited for this. obvoisly the costs very from build to build. But having a data point helps in discussions what options even to surge materials for and it gives a starting point in comparing prices. I would say €20 in material easily trump a lot of mud free pathes. most of which could carry less load. If you want to be able to bring in materials and the options are this, or a road, that a car could drive on, I think you have the cheaper solution. how long round about do you take to build a peace of rail?
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 an afternoon with just one person? so about 3h ? so that would make around €20 + 0.5 manhours per meter. Why do we even build roads for cars?
With 4 gauges, CPS II is a bit more expensive per foot than yours- at about $7/ft or so, plus sleepers & ballast...I have to get more 1 1/4x 1/4 bar for track (30mm x7 mm, or so). Welded onto the tieplates, not screwed. Gauged at 3.5", 5" and 7.562". Yes, a labour of love, not one of necessity the most practical way.
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Gotta agree, prices are getting realistic. Incidentally, your railway is much cheaper than a similar sized HO setup.
Looks like a lot of fun, really useful. Thanks kindly for sharing.
Putting 200kg of timber on an HO railway would also have a different effect...
You forget not everyone has a field to build in, nor time to do so.
What's the 'HO' in an HO setup?
@@priestesslucy the scale
HO is a scale used by train modelers
For about 20 feet it costs me about $40 USD in steel, I got scrap wood and pipe for free. Design is exactly the same but the wood is 2x4s This video series has been great inspiration for my 15” gauge railway, keep up the great videos!
(for metric people that's 6 metres for 62 Aussie Dollars, 32 and a half Pounds, 37 Euros) as of 10 November 2023
@@CockatooTransit 40 USD is 37 Euro.
@@josephpostma1787 the exchange rate is always changing so i may not have had it right when you saw it, but it was right when i put it.
i'm building a replica of your railway but 5" gauge, around the goat field.... its great fun and thank you for the inspiration. simon and dorothy in France.
Are you going to make any videos about it when you're done? would be interesting to see!
Excellent plan - yes, we'd all like to see that
@@legdig yes....i will try and film the goat rail project....im looking for steel this week to start the rails.
You really start to realize the extreme cost of Hornby's models when a real life sized railway becomes cheaper to make.
"Where the fun in that?" Some people forget, its never about the cost of a project. Its what brings you joy.
Better to say it not always about the cost of a project rather than it’s never the cost, quite often the cost is the deciding factor.
The cost per meter will be a limiting factor on how much rail you are able to build. So keeping them down is always a good thing.
True, but my budget is certainly putting serious limits on my joy! 😂
I’d like to hear Tim’s calculations for smiles per meter please, that’s the best measurement 😊
I think "never" is a bit black/white overexaggerated. It's about the balance between cost and joy. 120 euros for 6 meters is not expensive and it's a fun hobby.
"where's the fun in that" .... is the perfect answer to so many youtube comments
the sound of those rails brings me joy
No idea how I ended up here - but listening to an affable Irish guy talk about his backyard railway was lovely :)
I watch your videos when I can and I find it absolutely amazing your railroad is coming along real nice and from a U.S. point of it fairly cheap price wise . I started mine when I had one with metal fence post or as we call them in oklahoma T- post it worked really well . Anyway I enjoy watching your videos and your progress. Keep it going sir
Thank you very much!
honestly this is so great to see the progress on this and it looks so much fun too. Your breakdown of the costs is actually one of the better ones i've seen arround and a nice overview.
Tim your a genius we marvel at what you do my husband thinks you marvellous 🤩.With your inventions.Will watch on later .Help us to relax for the weekend.GodBless. Love Ireland 🇮🇪.
I enjoy watching your videos! Great fun and good ideas.
But to justify a railroad, you need to have a lot of stuff you need to carry. I live in my single family home, and the only thing I need to carry a lot of frequently is firewood for my wood stove. I use scrap wood gleaned from businesses in the area, and I chuck that wood in my Chevy Astro van to carry it to my home.
I have a pav ed driveway in the front of my home with a large wood crate I use for storing cut firewood, and an unpaved driveway along the side of my house. I dumped a load of crushed rock on that side driveway circa 1987 or so, and while grass has grown up around that completely, it still provides support for my van when driving on it and prevents it from getting muddy.
When I drive a load of wood home, I back into that side driveway which provides access to a basement door. Inside the door is a table saw I use to cut the used lumber to length, nail and all.
Once cut I can carry that wood to that front wood crate for storage, or carry it up the basement stairs in a box to be burned in my stove.
I also store wood under cover beside that side driveway.
So I'm able to use my van for moving a heavy load of firewood, and I can unload it and store it from my van pretty easily.
Once store, I can pick up lengths of lumber and cut it to length on my table saw. All this can be done pretty easily as part of my daily life.
So I can't really think of an application for a railway like yours. What I've devised is quite simple and efficient, and more or less cost free, wood included.
Wood comes from businesses that are a half mile away or about three miles away. The scrap wood I get is odds 'n ends from a lumber yard or lumber used for packing large sheets of granite ---- 2x4, 2x6 and such lumber. I can often get a van load when I'm driving around for other purposes, so often I don't even to make a special trip.
I enjoy making fires, and even now in early May, a fire is needed to take the chill off the house unless it's sunny.
So I'm afraid I can't think of an application for a railway.
DARN!
Now you just need a e-bike and a heavy duty bicycle utility trailer to transport your wood without any gasoline, that way when they stop making gasoline in 2030 you'll still be operational.
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@@mrMacGoover
I can think of one application: Fun
You don’t necessarily need a purpose for a railway, you can build one purely just for leisure
@@DianeD862 Who are you referring to?
While I wouldn't use this as a "scale" railway set up, this would be fantastic as a functioning narrow gauge system for use around a farm. I could see it now, a small critter powered with a cheap gas engine and a couple dozen cars to haul vegetables, building supplies, feed, hay/straw, manure, chemicals, firewood, fuel, gravel, etc... And the whole thing is both flexible and easy to maintain, all for the cost of a used pick-up truck.
Life is for having fun and having your own railway!
The wider the gauge, the better the stability. The flat bar steel for rails, solves a lot of headaches. Its relatively light,easy to impart gentle turns and not heavy to work with. For a light railway not using a locomotive it looks ideal. the downside is contact area available for wheels which are driving, trying to grip the rails as they do on a locomotive.
Tim, Thank you for the update and the cost break down. One thing that people need to consider is YOU built it for YOUR needs and their needs/desires may be different than yours. You have done an outstanding job on the design, development and building of the railroad track, switches and carts. Looking forward to more of your videos.
I like the fun part of it. One of those systems would work for us two ol'ladies bringing in the groceries from the car. You never cease to amaze. Great job Tim. Blessings to all ❤
I've never known anyone who had a railroad at their house. I'm enjoying your progress.
I really appreciate your strong grasp of the economics on this as we as your pragmatic optimism. It’s how I try to be.
I may be daydreaming, but I imagine in 5 years time we'll see you with 3 full wood sheds, a proper charcoal kiln, 12 more wagons, and a cute little turntable interchange. I am quite excited looking forward to the future!
I love your railway, wish I had a flat enough yard and a reason to build one. Keep up the great work
wanting one is reason enough, isn't it?
@@therealCG62 I would agree but again the lack of flat ground is the determining factor
Wonder if you could build a rack railway if gradient is your only limiting factor…
also, running costs for a push railway are MUCH lower than that of a quad bike, AND it's also greener, as your not burning fostil fules to run it.
It is even greener when he burns fossil fuels (like when he adds an engine) because rails are way more energy efficient.
You are a big child! Love it!!!
Good to see you're back on track and having some good weather. Another interesting video. Thanks Tim.
LOL! "back on track"?
This calculation, even for the cheapest metal garden railway gives a good understanding how ENORMOUSLY expensive real railroads are.
Yeah, but compared to roads?
@@priestesslucy a km of two-way railroad in most cases will cost way more than km of a two-way asphalt road. This is a topic for much bigger discussion, though.
@@wwlb4970 to construct, but they're a heck of a lot cheaper to maintain afaik
A hand OR pedal operated Section Trike would be easy enough to bodge together, to allow "powered" (man) locomotion, and heavier loads ( or more flat cars!).
Gudonya from Down Under.
That looks to be the best and easiest homemade rail answer I’ve seen so far!
That's gotta be a motto for the alternatives
"Where's the fun in that?"
amazing thing is your railway, per foot, is _cheaper_ than most pre made _model_ railways in N or OO gauge..
The whole 20-foot length can be cheaper than a whole locomotive…
@@andrewreynolds4949 yes I saw the price for an N gauge class 08 shunter and thought I've had cars that cost less than that
quite a lot less actually
and they were worth every penny, just sadly not worth a penny more
Tim, seeing you ride the wagon like
Superman at the end is quite a joyful sight
Apparently the HS2 railway line will cost £100 per millimetre, so you're doing pretty well!
per millimeter? so 1 mile will costs £160,934,400? I cant find any info on the rails themselves, but the costs are in the billions.
With all the money it costs the fun you get out of it is priceless. Great video bro. Safe travels
Greetings from the USA, keep up the good work. I love the railway.
Thank you very much!
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 You’re welcome!
Awesome, ever since I saw it the first time I knew I just have to make the same at my farm in Zambia. It will be awesome. Thanks for sharing this with us all.
Thank you so much for sharing your adventures in engineering, I'm loving every update.
Nice job on your railroad
Way out West, I just your videos, the railway ones are by far my favorite, your natation is fantastic. Please keep them coming
Thanks, will do!
I have considerable frost heave on wet ground. I have considered driving poles to build on top of, but it's a big job! Maybe a small railway sometime... Thanks for posting this!
I'd love to see you make a human powered cart. Keep up the good work and have fun!
4:14 "we in Ireland live in one of the most expensive countrys in the world."
I was going to complain about the prices here in NE America. but it was just the supplier I was looking at, here are the cheaper prices I found
1/8'' x 2'' x 20' = ~39$ ea - €37
1/8'' x 3'' x 20' = ~59$ ea - €56
he's using 8mm x 50mm, the equivalent would be 5/16'' x 2'' I wouldnt go thinner than 1/4''
Thanks G.A. Interesting...
Thanks Tim 👍
All the best to you both
Robin
Wow, that's not as bad as I expected. I could do that someday.
We've loved watching your railway grow... our garden is far too small to justify one (20ft long maybe?) So we enjoy watching you build yours!
Who needs justification
It's your yard
Once upon a moon, no civil, mining or industrial project was complete without a narrow gauge rail system. The movable, flexible track is genius and could be used for light transport without needing ballast in temporary situations no doubt. Wish we had a big enough plot to warrant something like this too!
Oh Me Next! I admire your resourcefulness using a little to do a lot. Sell tickets for rides!
Gold star 🌟 for making us smile 😃 😊
Keep up the good work, we'll need railroad eng. in SA soon. Your vid. will be good training material.
can't wait to see what you finallly settle on for a locomotive! Great progress!!
Outstanding! Thank you for the breakdown! Much better than a quad, as the railway is long lasting, and has given you so many opportunities for creativity and engineering!
Take good care! Cheers from Guam! 🇬🇺
Although your railway is mainly for industrial purpose, I think it could work as a leisure railway too! You can take a ride whenever there’s some free time to kill
Little jhon wanted to build his own railway system ,he made a track using GALVANIZED round STEEL and ecofriendly wood veneers and pegs that he borrowed from his aunt.
Lovely video the sentence above is an internet meme from nowadays
It's all about the journey. . . love your thinking
It would be fun if we had a discord server or something, because discussing stuff like this would be quite fun I'd reckon
Great work and idea! I'm doing a 7 1/4" scale.
I never felt that the prices were artificially low. In Hungary today 6m of the 50x8mm flat steel would cost 20k HUF, around 52 EURs, double that and it's 104 EURs just for the two sides and not counting for anything else. Everything is expensive here and we are the center of Europe. So, I think you are pretty lucky. :)
Yes, they do seem very high, considering where you are. I wonder why that is?
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 I think there are multiple reasons. Mainly the war, which made the EURHUF rate really bad, really quickly. Everything coming from outside went up in price, general high inflation in the world (COVID&war) and lastly the construction industry was really booming (government projects and subsidies for families). Not even mentioning the highest VAT of 27% in the EU, which was a given, but of course it will also increase in the absolute terms when prices increase.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 But, with everything I still really enjoy your work, keep it up!
Akkor ennyit arról hogy én is belekezdek.
one thing i'm really looking forward to the locomotive being built even if its just a start on the chassis
I wonder if small gauge local railways will return for industries such as farming. With the rising cost of fossil fuels today it is becoming much more expensive to run farm equipment. With a small gauge, flexible track, steam powered railway farmers may potentially be able to use less fuel by dropping off grain or collected produce onto mobile trains that then take the long journey back to the collection points. These small engines could potentially run on steam and their fireboxes could burn any available fuel from scrap lumber to waste oil to coal. This could potentially help farmers save on fuel costs in the long run. With a flexible and easily modifiable track they could also run much more heavy duty cranes into the field to assist in recovery and repair of downed equipment even in potentially soft or muddy terrain.
An interesting thought experiment. There are probably many downsides Im not thinking of.
What would be kinda interesting is how you do the curved sections of track down the end of the new section of track. Cuz one rail has to be longer than the other, while maintaining the same gauge.
Thanks Tim.
I admire your commitment to thrifty imagination!
I believe that it’s worth every penny you’ve spent so far ! Just think , you’ll have the only privately owned Railroad in Ireland 🇮🇪 and quite possibly Europe ! Now how cool is that ! Your prices are a bit high compared to the United States especially on the steel , a 24ft. 3” x 1/2” cold rolled is $32.00 and 10 ton of rock is $125.00 delivered . Not sure on the wood though and the nuts and bolts are about the same plus there’s a ton of free galvanized pipe for free by me ( everyone is changing there water pipe to copper or plastic ) and I’m enjoying your adventures !
Thanks, Dave - I'm jealous of those prices!
Love it. One day, one day.....
Excellent work Tim, well done .
I use recycled asphalt as ballast because I get it for free and it compacts when exposed to heat, which helps keep the base stable. Unfortunately, grass grows easily in it.
how do you keep the grass down?
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 With the gas torch.
4:21 "yours is probably cheaper"
Sweden: "screams in taxes", Jokes aside, thanks for giving a rundown on how much the parts cost. Not sure how
much I would have to pay, wouldn't be surprised if it's at least twice as much with how much everything become
more expensive.
thank you for this video
while this looks cool, I think I'll still stick with rubber tire carts
although I am seriously considering converting them all to steel wheels, because tire replacement every 5 years is a pain
Look Tim, soon to be a new Olympic discipline 🙂
Wow looks like a fun ride~
Information with a smile. Wonderful!
Actually 15inch/381mm is the small size for commercially used rail. 600mm/2ft is quite common, but those lines can reach kilometers
That’s getting more into the industrial size railway. 15-inch seems to straddle the line between small industrial and garden/tourist attraction lines.
@@andrewreynolds4949 well the usage here goes towards small industry
my good mate in Somerset doing the same
Ab So Blinkin Luvverly! Well done and keep them coming.
The last one is my favourite
It was honestly more expensive than I had thought!
Thanks Tim
Just had to laugh when you went flying down the rails. Your enjoying your life! Great work!
I wonder how a mold for concrete sleepers would work with the pipes imbedded in.?
Great video Tim! I really needed a good bit of practical common sense edutainment today. Thanks! 😁👍
I wouldn’t go smaller than 10’ gauge for anything practical. You would have to have a much better roadbed to avoid tipping over.
As hard as it is to believe we pay more than that for steel in Australia and we don't even have to import it. Presuming that those lengths you are using are 6metres long, that amount of steel would cost the equivalent of 88 euros in Sydney.
Really? Strange!
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Probably linked closely to the median house price in Sydney been around A$1.2 million at the moment.
Nice fun hobby project obsession! Very useful too!
Five main parts: the fourth is something to run on the rails. The Fifth is time!
I think I would estimate the ballast a little higher. It may be that cheap for the American's, I don't know. But in England, unless you are buying it by the tonne, it costs about that much for about 9ft of track. or 3 sq foot
Super cool 👍. Great design. I have Mini tractor and still want to make
I do model steam railroading in 45mm gauge (slightly less than 2"). Although there are many competing manufacturers in Europe, Britain and the USA, cost tends to be something like 10-15 Euro / meter. The cost it seems is rather comparable I think. So choosing your track gauge is about what you want to be able to run on your railway.
Regardless of gauge, field railways can take very sharp curves and pretty rough track, narrow gauge designs coming in second. And if you want to run models of standard gauge railway locomotives and wagons, you need minimum radius curves that take up so much space, that most people just don't have space for anything above 45mm gauge. Which is why this has become the garden railway standard. But there might be a club that you can join, and run on a shared railway with a / several gauges, bringing your own locomotive(s) and rolling stock. This is actually a very nice way to enjoy shared fun!
Whatever you do - stick to a standard gauge!!! But if you for example inherited some odd gauge locomotive, you can also build a double gauge 3-rail track. The switches are a bit more complicated, and you have to take into consideration what minimum radius curves normally applies to that gauge.
Even in 45mm gauge, I've ended up in trouble, because I was heavily invested in Märklin track and switches, before finding out that all my railroading friends narrow gauge wehicles had to deep wheel flanges to be able to run on (specifically) Märklin track.
Also, Märklin and many other German manufacturers allow for a rather extreme minimum radius of 1m even for standard gauge models (1:32). However the widely recognized standard is 3m, which means I had to set up a special loop with 2m radius fordd a new pretty exclusive engine. Now that was really stupid, even though I simply assumed I would never come into ownership of another such expensive locomotive. But ny good fortune, I now have... so once again I need to add track for a larger radius, this time minimum 3m. But I only have one switch that i built 45 years ago (when I was 15) that has 3m radius. (Currently I have 7 for r1m; 4 for r2,3m and one for r3m.)
I run 1:32 scale live steam on 45mm gauge track, but in larger gauges steam locomotives are VERY big projects, also physically heavy to handle, which factors in. It's akin to transporting a horse to a show, when visiting a track with your locomotive. (Be ware, different safety regulations may apply, to operating passenger miniature railways in different countries. Make sure to adhere to those standars as well! Otherwise you are stuck. Also you can't sell, swap or give things with/to other people.
I have considered building a 7 1/4" gauge railway also. (In western USA also 7 1/2" is used. Nowhere else!) Though that one would be electrically / battery operated. But never say never, as previous experience has taught me... :-D
Thanks, Anders. There don't seem to be any groups here in Ireland, and I wouldn't have the time to attend any meetings anyway. I just made my railway to be useful to me and so far it has been. I have to build everything that goes on it anyway, so I don't worry about it being a standard guage here. Although in Britain 15" is still quite common, I think.
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Yes, I think 15" is a standard gauge used both for passenger hauling in amusement parks and such, as well as being used for doing actual work, like you do with your railway.
I really like your welded together wheels - especially the way you have created the inward curve shape of the flanges made me smile! It is in the true spirit of field railways!😄 Whatever works, is simple, and cheap!
I like it so much, that I imediately felt the urge to make some wheels like that my self, though in my case about 1 1/2" in diameter, out of tin can sheet metal, and gluing or soldering together the pieces. The rest of whatever wagon type it might become, will use very light weight materials like cardboard and balsa wood. (With a few layers of varnish and paint, it becomes sturdy enough. Also I was very inspired by you putting some aestetic attention to iron strappings of the wood body.
The reason I would want to build such light weight model wagons, is I have this toy vertical steam boat engine and boiler (something Mamod and Wilesco makes), that I'm thingking of turning into a classic USA late 19th century logging locomotive. Aparently it happened more than once that steam boat engines were repurposed this way. And the locomotives would be one-off designs constructed largely using wood.
In my case however, the tiny one cylinder boat steam engine is very weak - that's why I need ultra-light waggons to go with such a locomotive.
About your track, perhaps you could get some pressure treated wooden sleepers/ties for free from local lumberyards? Because at least here in Sweden, I can have as many as I want for free, of the wooden pieces used crosswise to stack the wood during treatment and delivery. They are otherwise only discarded. Because they were there during the pressure treatment, it's as well treated as anything you pay for. 😃 I use some 1m x 45mm x 70mm pieces for many things, but I have thought that they would also be ideal as track ties / sleepers.
By the way, if you do build and electrically powered locomotive, I suggest you make it radio controlled. It's clever, because it's dual purpose. You can use it both when sitting up riding on the locomotive, as well as operate standing by.
Have fun! Cheers from Sweden😃
tempted to do this in my property in east europe
You are a superman!
Best final scene EVER!~
While I do agree with you, I have to say that riding quad bikes can also be quite some fun :)
Train surfing man that kool
I'm surprised at how cheap your rails are even with the high prices, how much is one of those big basket carts?
My grandma had a rather large yard with a garden going all the way around the back starting on either side of the house (think 1950s US suburbs but the fancy 2 story homes)
As she got older she had trouble hauling her tools around so I built a monorail that went around the garden and hung on the side of the fence posts with the cart hanging below the rail.
It was some bent rebar for the supports and a similar (but smaller) flat bar rail.
I even made a little box to push the cart into to keep it safe and dry on one end.
Indeed! Les in UK
Hi...I was thinking aloud if this system of narrow gauge railway will solve my problem of transporting materials up a 50 meter 45 degrees slope. The cart could be towed by a hoist
need to build more drying igloos and chip cars. how much do you get per pound of biochar?
This is nice and very affordable
Very very very excellent I like it
Wernt old miners tracks two feet wide?
Such an amazing idea I wish I had some land to make something like this.
thx very much I waited for this.
obvoisly the costs very from build to build. But having a data point helps in discussions what options even to surge materials for and it gives a starting point in comparing prices.
I would say €20 in material easily trump a lot of mud free pathes. most of which could carry less load.
If you want to be able to bring in materials and the options are this, or a road, that a car could drive on, I think you have the cheaper solution.
how long round about do you take to build a peace of rail?
for that money you can pour concrete and use a cart with wheels, but yes it wouldn't be as fun and would be more permanent
M.C. How long does it take? I suppose an afternoon, realistically, because there are a lot of holes to drill..
@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299
an afternoon with just one person? so about 3h ?
so that would make around €20 + 0.5 manhours per meter.
Why do we even build roads for cars?
With 4 gauges, CPS II is a bit more expensive per foot than yours- at about $7/ft or so, plus sleepers & ballast...I have to get more 1 1/4x 1/4 bar for track (30mm x7 mm, or so). Welded onto the tieplates, not screwed. Gauged at 3.5", 5" and 7.562". Yes, a labour of love, not one of necessity the most practical way.
Lovely ending :)