154. M/S. 25 Removing a frozen axle out of a wheel hub on a Aries snowblower
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- This is the best way I found to remove the Frozen axle. If you have any questions or comments please put them in the description box below and I'll get back with you as soon as I can. Until next time work safe have fun and we'll talk to you soon. Jim
I had one stuck like that, I welded a 5/8 fine nut to the outside and ran a bolt in and pulled it off. I soaked it over night with PB Blaster first. It came off hard but it came off. I wire brushed the rust off, coated the shaft with lithium grease and reassembled it. Worked great. I will pull it yearly now and apply grease to the shaft. I don't know why they don't just put a grease zerk in these from the factory.
Because it is not a bearing or moving joint. Anti-seize will work better than grease.
AKTrapper, that is the A-NO. 1 way to do it. You don’t need to sacrifice any parts of the machine. Imagine if this had been a riding tractor. A full trans job just to change a tire? If you want to save the tire, you can fill it up with water and then heat the hub all you want.
Anti- seize is a must on many parts that are wet & cold & hold water. Rust forms when these parts dry out & get hot.
Jim in the last year I’ve had to remove three stuck axles like this on various equipment. Takes all day to get one out, but I heat the hub up real hot, well hot as I can get it with propane torch, and squirt copious amounts of pb blaster on the hub. Let it sit, then take an air hammer with pointed end and rap on end of axle and out it came. Still hard work👍
+Melloreel - Try the Hot / Cold Method.... Tips: Get a Torch and heat around it until RED HOT... DO NOT heat the Axle. Once it's HOT, use Cold Water either Garden Hose or Bucket and splash it really quick. Once you are cool down, now try it again.... If that doesn't work, do it again, sometimes 2-3X will do it!!! By using Hot / Cold method, you are expanding / contracting the " rust "! *NOTE:* *Remove ALL the Air out of your Tire when doing this method!*
I can tell you never put enough heat on it, there is still paint on the wheel. Heat to cherry red and quench with water. Then use air chisel to help vibrate it off . Taryl fixes all.
I don't think you will be coming to visit it's a long way to Europe, if you think that was hard, I bought a Toro which had the wheels welded to the rear axles, I did get them off by removing the weld with a 1mm cutting disk and after removing the wheels I re-cut the C clip slots with the same disk, I've had it in use for the last 12 years and its still ok, never give up, The hacksaw blade holder, I bought my first in the seventies (wooden handle) and a more modern version about ten years ago, and often use them, in your situation when you have drilled the hole down the centre it's good just to go straight in with the saw and make two cut 180 deg apart and the pieces come out easily, thanks for the video. another 25 years .. sounds good, I should be so lucky.
Drill a hole in the rim on each side of the axle. Use a wheel puller to take the wheel off.
After I get the axle and tire off of the machine I cut the axle flush with the hub on the rim and put it in a 12 ton press at work and it wouldn’t budge. Jim
Hello to you Jim. As usual another great tidbit to enjoy, which I did.
Hi Jim. Found myself something pretty rare.Found a very nice Snapper bag n wagon for 25.00.Its in excellent shape. Just the red dump cart only. No canvas etc.I just wanted it for the cart not to catch leaves.
Good job, now you should put anti seize by Permatex great stuff. Thanks Brian
The saw is a "Klein 703 close quarter hacksaw". I used one often as an Electrician for conduit rework in place.
hotratz69
Thanks for the info I’ll pass it on if anybody asks. Jim
Yep it a close proximity saw. I use Klein im an electrician
Try the Hot / Cold Method.... Tips: Get a Torch and heat around it... DO NOT heat the Axle. Once it's HOT, use Cold Water with Garden Hose or Bucket and splash it really quick. Once you are cool down, now try it again.... If that doesn't work, do it again, sometimes 2-3X will do it!!! By using Hot / Cold method, you are expanding / contracting the " rust "! *NOTE:* *Remove ALL the Air out of your Tire when doing this method!*
Thats what I was thinking has soon as he started explaining his trouble, even an Heat Gun for a few minutes & very cold water it would expand.
For Jim and everybody out there, that's the worst case scenario what was done here, I had the same thing on a keyed axle, there was no way I wanted to replace the wheel or axle. What I did was heated up the hub with 2 torches, a mapp and a propane tell it was red moving all over hub like that then doused it down with snow then soaked the joint with PB Blaster then put an impact socket with short extension on end of axle and hammered with a short sledge, really tough on the second tire on the left side with the solid axle no give there, but I got them both off with pretty well no damage. You never saw anybody go so nuts with the anti seize like I did after that, hope this helps. P.S. can anybody out there tell me if the rim sizes 4.80 and 6.50 are interchangeable on the axle on a Ariens snowblower
I had the same issue. I have an older Craftsman snowblower and the shaft had rubber bushings. I used a 3 jaw puller around the rim with alot of silicone/penetrating fluid. It pressed out nicely on the snowblower. There is always a way...
just tried it and pullers jaws can't stay on rim cause an angle wave inside, what did you for that ?
I had a flat on my Garden-Way, Troy Bilt Big Red tiller. After days of trying heat, more heat, pullers and pounding I just took the entire tiller to the tire shop and had them change the tire on the tiller.
Ruth C
That makes sense to me. Jim
that tool is to cut under ground electrical cable in conduit, it cuts the conduit without damaging the electrical cable in it . under ground service cable to power home. lineman's tool.... hope that helps.
eusebio garza
I will have to check into that thanks for the tip. Jim
I would have taken the tire off and thrown the whole thing in the burn barrel. It would probably come apart after it cooled.
Got a tiller I would have repaired a couple of years ago but, yep, I got a seized wheel that I can't get off. But not throwing it away just yet. Something's gotta work. 🤔
Always nice when you have access to so many tools that the majority of people don't have. How much $$ do you figure in time and labor it would cost the average person to have this fixed the way you did?
Well, that’s true. Most people don’t have all the tools and equipment that I have access to but I use them to save my customers money. The average person would have just bought a new axle and rim. I’ve had a lot of viewers asked me why didn’t you just buy a new axle and rim and I could have but I have the means to fix things and I use them. Jim
cutting the axle is bush league. not many have access to a medal lathe either.
i have an old troy bilt horse tiller with the same issue and i have removed one wheel but am working on the other now. i will get it off without destroying the axle or wheel even if i have to fashion a puller. i have welded a nut on it but broke the weld twice so will try that again with a cleaner better weld today. if that does not work (it did for the other side then i will build a puller and use my 12 ton bottle jack to try on it.
i think it is is used for cutting pipes when you are a plumber, in small places
I would have thought a air hammer would have worked too..
I put it in a 25 ton press and it wouldn’t come out. I don’t think a little air hammer would’ve done too much. Jim
We pulled the axle with the wheel on. Then PB Blasted for a couple hours. Then applied heat with acetylene till almost red hot, pounded back and forth and she came off.
michael was
Hi Michael
Some of them can really be stubborn can’t they, Well glad to hear you got it off talk to you soon. Jim
I am having the same problem. I was planning on grinding the entire flange off, but I'll try drilling a few lube holes first and filling the holes with something that cuts through rust. If it works, I will add a grease Zerk and keep it lubed every few years. The other holes I will weld up and grind smooth. I don't have a lathe.
Jack Hathcoat
Let me know if that works out or not sounds like could be a good idea thanks Jim
I certainly will, Jim. I plan on doing this very soon.
+Jack Hathcoat - Try the Hot / Cold Method.... Tips: Get a Torch and heat around it until RED HOT... DO NOT heat the Axle. Once it's HOT, use Cold Water either Garden Hose or Bucket and splash it really quick. Once you are cool down, now try it again.... If that doesn't work, do it again, sometimes 2-3X will do it!!! By using Hot / Cold method, you are expanding / contracting the " rust "! *NOTE:* *Remove ALL the Air out of your Tire when doing this method!*
Jordan Bronson
Hi Jordan
I tried that out a couple times and it just didn’t seem to do anything so I drilled it out there seem to be the simplest way if you got a lathe. Thanks Jim
+Jim Jackson - Did you use *Cold Water* ??? I know you use Heat just like 99% of the People here on RUclips.... Did you use *Cold Water* ????
Have the same problem with my el cheapo Yardworks from Canadian Tire!I will not buy no more.Next step? a snow contractor, voilà!because those domestic snowblowers are all a pain in the ass to maintain $$$!
Use heat AND the press AND the air hammer all at the same time, and it can't stay on there, first of all.
Second, if you wanted to take ideals of cutting stuff then drill a hole in the rim next to the hub, a hole big enough to accept your saw blade, i would use a sawsall if you have it. Then cut the hub of the rim just like you did with the axle, but without cutting the axle and without needing a lathe. Then with that slit in the hub it is the same thing, it will come off now, but now all you need to replace is the rim, for like 8.00.
Hi But, where do you get a replacement rim for $8.00?
Tony, not gonna work. You heat that thing and take an air hammer to it, you’ll have that thing stuck in there like a rivet in a frame rail. AKTrapper’s method is best.
Well, after seeing this video, I think that I'll just stop trying to take the hub off of the shaft on our snow blower.
I just need to do a maintenance on the part where hub meets rubber to stop the air leak.
But the wheel on ours looks EXACTLY like yours and it stuck on super tight too.
I can't even get the nut/bolt to exit, even with a heavy hammer.
So I think, best to leave well enough alone. I don't have the kind of equipment you have to do what you did there.
Plus, just for this problem, I don't want to spend a ton of money just to fix a flat. LOL
Leave the rim on the machine take the tire off the rim and put a tube in it and that will fix your air leak. Jim
i might be wrong, but it looks like an old time "MARS BAR" from Doctor Who or what? thanks nice video. :)
your saw is to cut pipe in narrow places
Yes... RUST... nature's locktite.
Why not, when it was in the lathe, just keep boring until you are at the 3/4”. Then polish it right away while she’s still spinning.
I’m dealing with the same issue right now. After watching this video, I’ll just put a tube in it with the wheel still on the old blower.
Great video! I miss having access to a lathe!
Hingham Pool
Hi it's Jim
I couldn't keep Boring the entire shaft out the original whole did not run True with the od if I would have I would have ended up with an egg shaped hole and that wouldn't have worked out so well. Thanks Jim
Jim... they’re right. You can too bore it all the way out . If the assembly is not running true in the lathe, stop boring when you get to the hub. By then the compression forces will be gone and you can tap out that last shred of axle. Most likely, though, by time you get through the axle on one side, the tool bit will get hooked on the fragment of axle and it will come out by itself.
I had one like that and it was rusted in place
I used penetrating spray and a hammer on it and it worked fine for me
Hey Jim, I am not sure that the tool you were using was made for holding a blade... It looks like a ring sizing gauge, but most of them do not have the adjustable handle. I have to wonder if you were to put a gold ring on it, would it stretch it to the next size? this is my only guess to what that tool could be.
I would have heated the tube with a oxy acet cutting torch and blown right down the tube, done deal.
What madness.....this seems to be a chronic problem with these wheels. Few have a lathe in their garage to drill out the shaft hence no one should go through such laborious efforts just to remove a wheel.
GnosisMan50
You’re right, if people would put Anti-seize on the axles and other points on Machine’s when they buy them knew they wouldn’t have that problem but nobody that I’ve ever seen does that.
I’ve heard you can heat them up with a torch and quench them in water and that’s supposed to break it loose but I’ve never had much luck with that either.If you have any ideas on how to get them off please share them with the rest of us. Jim
time to buy a new wheel... your time is money!
I do my best to save my customers money regardless of how much work it takes. Jim
@@jimjackson9381 funny coincidence, I tried to pull off the wheels on my old Ariens last night...one came off easy one is frozen on just like yours!
@@bobsbarnworkshop
Well Bob let me know how you get it apart, and I’ll keep that in mind next time. Jim
@@jimjackson9381 I tried a big 3 jaw gear puller hooked over the front wheel bead but the wheel bent instead! I think I’ll drill 2 holes through the wheel close to the center and try my other puller. I’ll heat it up at the same time with my torch and see if I can budge it. I’ve been soaking it with PB blaster several times too
@@bobsbarnworkshop
Well keep me in the loop because I would like to know if it works or not. It would be a good idea to pass on. Jim
Umm....am I looking at Norm’s brother?
if it was frozen, then just defrost it
k burch
I was going to try that but it won’t fit in my microwave. Jim
At rhis point you could have just kept boring it out on the lathe and been done.
I wanted to make sure it was on Center so that the wheel didn’t wobble as you were using it. Jim
It would have been easier to cut through the rim.
well I try to save my customers money not waste it, sorry but that’s my way I can make a new axle I can’t make a new rim. Jim
@@jimjackson9381 most don't have the equipment to make an axle. You can pick a rim up for 5 bucks. But it was interesting how much pressure you put on it and it wouldn't move.
a tool used by plumbers
Awesome but what do they use it for you can’t cut very deep with it unless you extend the blade out past frame?. Jim
@@jimjackson9381 yes- extend past the frame to cut toilet bolts- and pipes hard to reach
@@armyvet4081 thanks for the information I did not know it was a plumbers tool. Jim
Get a new rim.
Why, there’s nothing wrong with the old one just trying to save the customer some money.
You cannot get the wheel off so you cut the axle off??? Your kidding, right?
Tom Mak
Hey Tom it’s Jim
Nope not kidding cut the axle drilled it out and remove it was left put a new axle in, that was the easiest way I figured I could do it there are other comments of heating it in cooling it and heating it and cooling it that didn’t work either. Jim
I blew up Dennis Snapper.
Why not have just drilled the complete shaft out while it was on the lathe?
Because it wasn’t drilling completely on center and I didn’t want to ruin the rim. This was a safer way to do it, and the small piece came out very easily. Jim
Buy a new rim and axle !!,