@@WydLuxtbf, I lose to DVJ like that all the time. It's still a good enough mixup to get a lot of ppl. Just cause he's not top tier doesn't mean you can't lose to one who's skilled enough to pilot DVJ. Not saying DVJ is strong, but it's still possible. He's not entirely useless online, but definitely useless in a tournament setting with his lack luster moveset and shifty mids.
The reduced pushback makes no sense at all since his demon paw was already the weakest one. Leaving in the pushback would have levelled the power of the move across the 4 characters but oh well... One thing they should have done to rebalance this character was to give uf4 the old knockdown effect into b4, cause right now it's a completeley useless attack except near the wall (ofc I'm talking when you're in heat)
@@NeCoruption yeah they're trying to treat the same moves by different characters in the same way to make it "fair" but that doesn't work like that. Kazuya and Jin can rely on ff2 less than DVJ does so by doing this "everyone must be treated equally or people will complain" they're just nerfing the character who needed that move more than others
@@NeCoruption Yeah overall I'm super happy with the direction the game went for. Just a bit frustrating that we need to put in so much work playing this character compared to the majority of the roster
They definitely missed the mark on DVJ, but actually introduced quite a few changes that will be better for the game overall. Ofc, that doesn't mean we stop giving them constructive criticism. However, we shouldn't let the issues alone dictate how we view the devs, but also what they've done right. The changes to heat, and other character buffs/nerfs were right on the mark imo. Sorry DVJ players got shafted, but overall this was a pretty good patch.
Thats it, im done. The devs said in the patchnotes "it has excellent speed and range" - like wtf they have actually no clue what they are talking about. This patch was my last hope for this character to become sort of relevant but no, im dropping him.
I was holding out a considerable amount of hope for this new patch too, only for it to be mishandled entirely. I can’t rationalise the need to nerf the character as excessively as they’re inclined to, while neglecting to address the actual issues the character has. Devil Jin just happens to be overrated on release, only for Bamco to develop a never-ending negativity bias towards him
@@shyguy4617 people always calling it launching while you only get 45 damage, no wall extension or a wall splat and if you want to get oki out of it, the damage is even lower at 36 or something. Nobody complains about throws that deal 45 damage because it’s quickly over. They just call it launching hellsweep cause they are annoyed waiting to take control of their character again. But in the end it’s just a low with lots of damage and lots of risk. It’s definetly a good move nonetheless, but calling it launching is bs in my opinion since it’s nothing I would call a combo at 45 damage and no possibility so extend it with a wall, a floor or balcony, since it resets the neutral.
@@nachdruck. Tbf he did have some good oki if you did the while standing 3 route but I doubt anyone who was complaining actually faced people doing that over just a standard combo,
Ive spent 300 hrs getting my DJ to Tekken King as my first real tekken game and now I'm thinking imma just delete the game till they make him playable lol
@@ConcaveSaintpretty accurate assessment tbh but considering I'm a loyalist ill still play him till the shelf life on this game is over, but I'll add a pocket main just so I don't become overly frustrated with how hard it is to win with him considering he has to work 5× as hard.
It's actually crazy. A lot of high level mishima players were already ranking dvj below kazuya before the patch, and look what bamco's done. Buff kazuya through the roof and nerf dvj. It must be that the devs don't play the game or some shit. Imagine getting ff2 nerfed for being overused not because it was OP, but because it was the only viable move dvj had. I know from experience every time I played kazuya I used ff2 so much less often although kazuya's ff2 is arguably better than dvj's, simply because kazuya has so many other good moves to use. The amount of moves dvj can utilize is hilariously small now and I'm gonna play kazuya the better dvj until dvj gets a major buff although we all know that day is never coming.
I'm gonna play this character anyway, there's just nothing like him. Though it's funny that Namco still finds this character problematic - only three months ago he was considered to be top 5 in the game. And look where are we now ...
He was only considered top 5 of people who have no clue of the character and are not smart enough to counter play a mc stance that doesn’t even have a low option. The only - and I mean the ONLY thing needed nerfing was the heat smash and that not in that extend it is now. Tracking needed nerfing, but not that much. Range needed nerfing, but not that much. The character was poorly designed in the first place by letting him rely on heat smash only while making his neutral garbage. This design makes no sense.
@@nachdruck. I agree with you but if we're being honest even top players like knee were putting devil jin at top 5 I always thought he was a bit overrated by people. Characters like xiaoyu, azucena, dragunov, alisa, law, feng etc were always stronger than him imo
@@HeyMomoniathey never put t8 Djin in top 5. Their top were dragonov, ling, king, azucina and feng and Jun. DJin was in top 10 and only because people didn't know how to counter morning crow yet.
@@YoOCmoneyman that is not true in anyway if someone is improving at the game they will rank up doesnt matter if the character is good or not just have to work harder
this dude is too hard for people to play consistently even in tournaments, and yet they still nerf him buff devil jin and release my boy qudans, release the demon
Just sharing my disappointment with fellow legacy devil jin players. I was really hoping this patch would alleviate the difficulty of devil jin albeit in terms of tools to help him in close range. Sadly instead of that, they keep finding little things thats not even gamebreaking or even strong every patch. Heatsmash isnt even gamebreaking if you see it as a whole with the character since its a much needed tool for spacing since devil jin lacks a lot in close range but for some reason people is just allergic to blocking even tho the heatsmash is nigh useless on point blank or if u just dont mash. Hellsweep nerf was also not needed since devil jin is way to reliant on it. Imagine dying for a measly 45 dmg which kazuya (on heat) or jin follow up(depends on wake up) can do that which they dont even rely on it seeing them having a lot of tool heck they have other low options to go with. Kazuya and jin have pokes now which devil jin was known to have since way back then but now he literally have nothing instead he got alot of risk now. Almost every key moves are launch punishable or just useless since devil jin was suppose to be a "zoner" but seeing the tools thats -9 , you cant even move effectively plus the nerf on backdash and with most character who excel in point blank . Devil jin just a punching bag most of the time. The morning crow oki that was suppose to go with 1,1,2 was gutted now mc is just for green rank or once in a blue moon usage. In higher rank where everybody knows whats what. Mc crow just a free float combo. The chain is just very weak, not much homing and duckable, to make matters worst its recovery spell dead. Even the ff4 , the new move is useless. Suppose to be an alt for demon paw but with no tracking. It just a free sidestep launcher and useless at close range since its slow on start up. Heaven gate wast even that much of a big deal seeing that most easy character do as much or even more. Devil jins already one of the hardest so that little bit of damage from heavens gate was necessary as a compensation(isnt even enough) . Quadans ferrari tech isnt even op seeing that its very situational and base of specific combo routes, heck its not even guaranted since you still need to guess your opponents option but devz for some freakin stupid reason still find it game breaking and remove it. Now every little bit of respite for devil jin is gone now. Pretty sure if something new comes up like a set up of some kind, devz well just remove it saying it a "bug fix" bs. For the first time ever. Since tekken devil within, ill be dropping the character. Its really heart breaking that ive arrive to this decision but playing with this tools which way worst than t7 season 4 . Im not that good at tekken and still learning alot of stuff but devil jin just dont have anything to offer for this and has little leeway. Im in kishin and been stuck there for awhile now. Goodluck and you have my admiration for those who will stay all the way with devil jin despite all the nerfs. I just feel like picking another hero(thinking about choosing reina) would help me improve my playstyle. As things stands now, devil jin mains voices arent even heard and devz just too blind to address this. They even give us bs reason that doesnt make sense. Only that the move is like that and didnt even consider it as a whole with the character. I really wonder why they even put him in this version, its just depressing how he is slowly getting destroyed bit by bit. Devz should re explain whats the purpose of this character so they them selves can see what bs they are doing. Welp, gonna drop the character now and thanks for all the talks we have devil jin mains.
They already kill my main CH But you killed yourself by writing all those lines here and I hope you will convey this message to Bamco or Namco devs. Maybe they will fix this mess in the next update or make an exceptional immediate update.PLZ try 🙏
@@m.k9620 ill try sending a message and add to the devil jin mains who are still fighting for a fix . Don't really know where though 😅. Anyway just tried sharing my heart break her with all the dvj main since the peps who can somewhat understand are fellow users. Thank you for noticing or to some extent , reading it. Have a good day, king 😊
well tekken 7 especially the later seasons was an experience, would be nice to have a buff once i a while :D since King might be a better mishima now :D
Are they just trying to kill the character because they'll probably remove from the next game or what? He's my goat and will probably be buffed but damn it doesn't look good for him in the future
i could handle all the Devil Jin nerfs if they matched the balance design philosophy of every other character it genuinely feels like they just hate the character at this point and their reasoning just flat out contradicts so many other characters decisions its so hard to want to keep playing especially DevilJin
I love Momo's way of thinking. "Please don't drop the character he's still cool" This should be the mindset of every Tekken player regardless of which character you like especially if you are NOT someone who's livelihood is dependent on winning tournaments.
This is just so sad. I finally start playing Tekken and my favorite character gets nerfed into the ground for no reason. But do we stop playing him? NO! We just play him better!
Yea ok 😂 buddy let’s see how long you keep that Midwest after practicing so hard just to get beat by a 10 year old victor player using simple control 💀
I don't even know at this point. What the fook are they thinking I might as well be a Kuma player since all Mishimas take double the execution to get nerf every patch. No Jun no Jin no Law nerfs... 😂😂 Pd: Let me correct a bit before people cry, I meant significant nerfs neither of the three I mention are affected by any change this patch they still get away with sh#t.
It’s decently frustrating. They ended up gutting Devil Jin’s poking to make way for gimmicks, whereas Jin had the range on his pokes buffed, only for there to be nothing in the way of drawbacks for that. Having burst/panic options is what separated Devil Jin in T7, only for Jin to gain much more usable power crushes, a better Samsara while Devil Jin’s gets nerfed, while also gaining a malicious mace that’s better at building momentum, and counterhit launches too. Scourge being a new low on top of Jin’s already great stature smash (it’s 3+, and Jin has a 12 frame mid to keep the opponent in check), while Devil Jin still has mediocre lows.
I find it so hard to have faith in Bamco when they seem to know so little about their own game at times and make incredibly weird, hard to justify decisions.
@@AbdullahHaider-o6enot much to carry when the rest of the roster has power crush heat engagers, spammable +f on block, tracking strings, good mids/lows, and such. A single crutch would be a sufficient sum of DJ at launch. Now?😂 He is now the circus' leader😂😂😂
Mourning crow can still crossup tho. May not be able to do the side spinning hit but you can still pass by your opponent and come back to him face to face from a potential hellsweep launch incorrect wakeup. Also i mean you can also yolo MC2 when the opponent is side stepping and also get them but yeah no MC 2 is really tight now.💀
Bro I'm saying he's been my main since I was 4-5 around the time T5 1st dropped for ps2 and now he's utter garbage and my dumb loyalist a$$ just doesn't know when to call it quits because he's still my fav character.
"Please dont drop the character. He is still cool!" Got me laughing😂. Despite bamco hating on Devil jin I will keep playing him. Best character Design in the game for m
@@kristianbojinov6715 no that was a cracked crouch dash. You needed to be frame perfect for consistency. Most likely using macros if you seen it. And i can doit
@@ganjasole You didn't need to be frame perfect to wave dash with, you just needed to skip neutral between forward the qcf or d,f motion. Was doable without macros. Reasonably difficult execution
The state his play rate is in does showcase that plenty of people have dropped the character already in the meantime. I intend to stick with him regardless, but the way he’s being handled is pretty demoralising
If they made CD 1+2 plus 2 at least. Then I can understand the mids they want us to use more other than ff2 but being -9 doesn't help. There's no longer a space that Devil Jin wants to be in. To far makes chains wiff.. to close and your mids make you lose your turn. Mid zone is a more advance player zone to wiff punish things. So this character is officially the most difficult and least rewarding character.
Sorry for being out of the subject. But does your Razer Raion have a Pivot? And if not is it a big problem? I am looking to buy one and so many are scaring me away from this controller.
The devs knows T5 tech catches are op so they removed this one thank you Namco and I hope you'll look at U1 frame data next much appreciated keep up the good work 👍
i think the issue they have is they are so set on this idea of launching nh hellsweep that they can't adjust him elsewhere. They locked themselves into this position because they refuse to make his hellsweep 4,4 a CH launcher again and remove the launching hellsweep on nh... Sad state of affairs, hope the best for you bro in your exam
hopefully this marks the end of nerfing this character, since ferrari, albeit regrettable, was "unintended", and ff2 was just a blanket nerf, we can only go up from here! ...right?
nope, they'll probebly nerf devil lance, and ff 2 again for him, cause those moves overshadow the other moves, too bad dvj has very few moves in comparison to most of the rosteer, and those moves are not used because they're good, they're fine at best, but because they are his best options, his mids are trash, and almost all of his moves are trash especially after the constant nerfs, he really needs his range back at least for his smash, and the smash was only once per round too, tracking would've been enough of a nerf, now it's useless. got no loows, no highs, and almost no safes, and knowing how they rarely buff characters that were strong at first, or if they do they buff them badly on useless moves or just damage, I don't see how it could even get him to mid unless they give him some of hi original stuff, or new moves
Bro said don’t drop the character he’s cool 💀 yea but he’s also heavily nerfed and is straight ahh overall . He’s very lackluster, horrible Lows , 50/50 hellsweep that is not that dangerous because the damage suck and off the combo there’s no oki , his poking is trash, ff2 is meh , his heat smash is trash , he’s like a d overall and he’s hell to play with. While there’s people who’s battle rulers using victor , Reina, Eddie,Jin,king,jun, all ranking up using cheese character and still are using simple controls 💀 where is the skill in this game , nerf devil after already being an skill based character to now an awful character is beyond me. Character dropped.
I was pretty disappointed at the ff2 change. A lot of my whiff punishes come from the pushback it gave me. Ehh, I guess we’ll just make our opinion known and hope for the best
They want you to stop playing DJin and he won't be in t9 as he doesn't exist by the end of T8 story. The only reason they put him in the game for story purposes and to avoid backlash for not putting him in the game. Other than that i can't think of any other reason or may be just devs have become stupid. He was already weaker than Kazuya even mainman said many times kazuya is stronger, now they buffed kazuya and nerfed djin again.
My opinion as the lover of devil jin is like they need to give him more power, can anybody say why the nerfed him? Devil jin was the best character in the game in my opinion. But now he is still good but compere to other characters in the game he is mid.I still play as the devil jin becouse he is my most favorite character of all time but its sad that they nerfed him so much. He was so strong in Tekken 5 or 6 even in 7 but now what they did to him is sad. PLEASE GIVE DEVIL JIN MORE POWER😭
These nerfs are jins fault honestly, he’s the one whose overpowered in this game but devil jin got the backlash. FF2 and DOWN 2 are all jin players spam. Jin aggressive asf compared to dvj and he dont have to worry cuz jin can just zen cancel cop out or just continue his offense without worry. Dvj gotta be more defensive and be a neutral god to even compete.
All jokes aside, now what? I'll be honest Devil jin is basically dead, Illinois I'll always main him, but honestly idk what to do with him now, he basically became very bad, and very repetitive
Guys, yall gotta chill. Dvj is still fine and good. Ff2 is a great move and with heat better than ever. And we got a neat b3 buff which im gratefull for. If you like the character just play him but please stop the whining this shit gets embarassing.
What are you saying lol 💀 I would love to play you while your using dj and I’ll use one hand using any other character and I still bet you couldn’t get a round on me, DJ is e rank now and it’s ridiculous
I can't believe the devs nerfed Devil Jin again. Instead of giving him tools to be more "aggressive", they cut off his arms...
some moves are anoyying and to strong
@@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIVskill issue
What exactly ist too strong about devil jin? His Heat got gutted, which was the only Thing going for him@@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV
@@KaKaShi0081I’m sure he’s gettin beat by a devil Jin using iws2, hellsweep and crow
@@WydLuxtbf, I lose to DVJ like that all the time. It's still a good enough mixup to get a lot of ppl. Just cause he's not top tier doesn't mean you can't lose to one who's skilled enough to pilot DVJ.
Not saying DVJ is strong, but it's still possible. He's not entirely useless online, but definitely useless in a tournament setting with his lack luster moveset and shifty mids.
Was dying when TMM said f u momo laughing at the DVJ nerfs, then saw him actually feel bad when he read the rest of the nerfs XD
Before he was a t-rex, now he has baby arms
The reduced pushback makes no sense at all since his demon paw was already the weakest one. Leaving in the pushback would have levelled the power of the move across the 4 characters but oh well...
One thing they should have done to rebalance this character was to give uf4 the old knockdown effect into b4, cause right now it's a completeley useless attack except near the wall (ofc I'm talking when you're in heat)
I wonder if this was because they messed with kazuyas combo that had too much pushback and they thought DJ did too?
@@NeCoruption yeah they're trying to treat the same moves by different characters in the same way to make it "fair" but that doesn't work like that.
Kazuya and Jin can rely on ff2 less than DVJ does so by doing this "everyone must be treated equally or people will complain" they're just nerfing the character who needed that move more than others
@@roccoblackness tough work, their honestly doing a good job considering the intricacy to tekkens move pools as is.
@@NeCoruption Yeah overall I'm super happy with the direction the game went for. Just a bit frustrating that we need to put in so much work playing this character compared to the majority of the roster
@@roccoblackness I agree, especially because this been my boy since Tekken 3 😭
Qudans went back from retirement for this smh.
so sad they're trying to kill the character bit by bit in every patch releases.
Sad to see him lose vs players that are not on his lvl just because DVJ is not as good as basically all other characters in top 64/24.
Poor Qudans. It's probably time to finally hang the belt for good if it doesn't work out in S1
Probably going to switch to Kazuya now...
@@math001bro what lol. You sound like a quitter 😂
They treating my main like a war criminal 😭
I mean...to be fair...he has a history 😭
But he believed in his heart 😭😭😭
@@pudinglover91123 not enough apparently XD or it all went to Jin lmao
'war criminal' I mean
Jin started the war not Devil Jin 😠
Respect to anybody who plays him now. He's still the coolest Mishima in my opinion.
U r wrong. ff2 on block -8⁉️Are u serious ⁉️
playing devil jin makes me want to pull my hair out and crawl into a ball and cry
That's how kaz players felt in Early patches enjoy maining him
I'll play him too
@@AbdullahHaider-o6e😮kaz was never this bad
@@AbdullahHaider-o6e I main both kaz and devil jin so it was just suffering for me lmao
At least kazuya is playable now
@@HeyMomonia playable is a big understatement
Proof that the devs listen to the babies on twitter. I miss the days when devs had a vision and didn’t depend on babies online to balance their game
They definitely missed the mark on DVJ, but actually introduced quite a few changes that will be better for the game overall.
Ofc, that doesn't mean we stop giving them constructive criticism. However, we shouldn't let the issues alone dictate how we view the devs, but also what they've done right.
The changes to heat, and other character buffs/nerfs were right on the mark imo. Sorry DVJ players got shafted, but overall this was a pretty good patch.
Those games were broken AF when the Devs had vision
@@UltimateBallaPOM and they’re regarded as some of the best fighting games ever. Also online pat he’s weren’t even a thing till 2010
Devil Jin RIP. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments expect Qudans and still nerfing...WOW!
"He's top 5 bro trust me he has electric and hellsweep it's so cheap"
Thats it, im done. The devs said in the patchnotes "it has excellent speed and range" - like wtf they have actually no clue what they are talking about. This patch was my last hope for this character to become sort of relevant but no, im dropping him.
I was holding out a considerable amount of hope for this new patch too, only for it to be mishandled entirely. I can’t rationalise the need to nerf the character as excessively as they’re inclined to, while neglecting to address the actual issues the character has. Devil Jin just happens to be overrated on release, only for Bamco to develop a never-ending negativity bias towards him
@@i1irevenanti1i90blame the amount of people complaining about him
I don't even think people complain about him, like launching hellsweep while annoying is p much the only thing the mf has
@@shyguy4617 people always calling it launching while you only get 45 damage, no wall extension or a wall splat and if you want to get oki out of it, the damage is even lower at 36 or something. Nobody complains about throws that deal 45 damage because it’s quickly over. They just call it launching hellsweep cause they are annoyed waiting to take control of their character again. But in the end it’s just a low with lots of damage and lots of risk. It’s definetly a good move nonetheless, but calling it launching is bs in my opinion since it’s nothing I would call a combo at 45 damage and no possibility so extend it with a wall, a floor or balcony, since it resets the neutral.
@@nachdruck. Tbf he did have some good oki if you did the while standing 3 route but I doubt anyone who was complaining actually faced people doing that over just a standard combo,
its just a little bit funny that FENG got compensatory buffs, but not devil jin
"Please dont drop the character he is still cool" Yeah, I guess thats one of the biggest reasons we started playing him to begin with.
Cant belive i mained devil jin took a break and now hes slowly but surely becoming unplayable
What even is Tekkens balance philosophy for this character lol
Ive spent 300 hrs getting my DJ to Tekken King as my first real tekken game and now I'm thinking imma just delete the game till they make him playable lol
@@shyguy4617My guess is, they slowly want to eliminate devil jin mains out of existence in tekken 9, because Jin has no Devil gene anymore.
@@ConcaveSaintpretty accurate assessment tbh but considering I'm a loyalist ill still play him till the shelf life on this game is over, but I'll add a pocket main just so I don't become overly frustrated with how hard it is to win with him considering he has to work 5× as hard.
Tekken 8 Patch notes 1.06 leak
The removal of Devil Jin's arms and legs.
Literally
Ewgf removed
Bamco Removing flight from samsara
@@pudinglover91123
Are serious 😮⁉️
It's actually crazy. A lot of high level mishima players were already ranking dvj below kazuya before the patch, and look what bamco's done. Buff kazuya through the roof and nerf dvj. It must be that the devs don't play the game or some shit. Imagine getting ff2 nerfed for being overused not because it was OP, but because it was the only viable move dvj had. I know from experience every time I played kazuya I used ff2 so much less often although kazuya's ff2 is arguably better than dvj's, simply because kazuya has so many other good moves to use. The amount of moves dvj can utilize is hilariously small now and I'm gonna play kazuya the better dvj until dvj gets a major buff although we all know that day is never coming.
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I'm gonna play this character anyway, there's just nothing like him. Though it's funny that Namco still finds this character problematic - only three months ago he was considered to be top 5 in the game. And look where are we now ...
He was only considered top 5 of people who have no clue of the character and are not smart enough to counter play a mc stance that doesn’t even have a low option. The only - and I mean the ONLY thing needed nerfing was the heat smash and that not in that extend it is now. Tracking needed nerfing, but not that much. Range needed nerfing, but not that much. The character was poorly designed in the first place by letting him rely on heat smash only while making his neutral garbage. This design makes no sense.
@@nachdruck. I agree with you but if we're being honest even top players like knee were putting devil jin at top 5
I always thought he was a bit overrated by people. Characters like xiaoyu, azucena, dragunov, alisa, law, feng etc were always stronger than him imo
@@HeyMomoniathey never put t8 Djin in top 5. Their top were dragonov, ling, king, azucina and feng and Jun. DJin was in top 10 and only because people didn't know how to counter morning crow yet.
@@zaselimgamingvideos There's a video of i think arslan and knee putting devil jin at top 5
But i really think they were wrong tbh
Tells you how little people knew about the game because he wasnt that good even back then. People have been overrating devil jin for a long time.
Recently got to Flame Ruler as DJ, the nerfs suck but I'm still gonna stick with my guy. Just gotta polish my game and hopefully break blue soon!
Your not ngl just wait until he gets buffed or your going to de-rank
@@YoOCmoneymani did i got de rank almost twice
@@YoOCmoneyman that is not true in anyway if someone is improving at the game they will rank up doesnt matter if the character is good or not just have to work harder
this dude is too hard for people to play consistently even in tournaments, and yet they still nerf him
buff devil jin and release my boy qudans, release the demon
Just sharing my disappointment with fellow legacy devil jin players. I was really hoping this patch would alleviate the difficulty of devil jin albeit in terms of tools to help him in close range. Sadly instead of that, they keep finding little things thats not even gamebreaking or even strong every patch. Heatsmash isnt even gamebreaking if you see it as a whole with the character since its a much needed tool for spacing since devil jin lacks a lot in close range but for some reason people is just allergic to blocking even tho the heatsmash is nigh useless on point blank or if u just dont mash. Hellsweep nerf was also not needed since devil jin is way to reliant on it. Imagine dying for a measly 45 dmg which kazuya (on heat) or jin follow up(depends on wake up) can do that which they dont even rely on it seeing them having a lot of tool heck they have other low options to go with. Kazuya and jin have pokes now which devil jin was known to have since way back then but now he literally have nothing instead he got alot of risk now. Almost every key moves are launch punishable or just useless since devil jin was suppose to be a "zoner" but seeing the tools thats -9 , you cant even move effectively plus the nerf on backdash and with most character who excel in point blank . Devil jin just a punching bag most of the time. The morning crow oki that was suppose to go with 1,1,2 was gutted now mc is just for green rank or once in a blue moon usage. In higher rank where everybody knows whats what. Mc crow just a free float combo. The chain is just very weak, not much homing and duckable, to make matters worst its recovery spell dead. Even the ff4 , the new move is useless. Suppose to be an alt for demon paw but with no tracking. It just a free sidestep launcher and useless at close range since its slow on start up. Heaven gate wast even that much of a big deal seeing that most easy character do as much or even more. Devil jins already one of the hardest so that little bit of damage from heavens gate was necessary as a compensation(isnt even enough) . Quadans ferrari tech isnt even op seeing that its very situational and base of specific combo routes, heck its not even guaranted since you still need to guess your opponents option but devz for some freakin stupid reason still find it game breaking and remove it. Now every little bit of respite for devil jin is gone now. Pretty sure if something new comes up like a set up of some kind, devz well just remove it saying it a "bug fix" bs. For the first time ever. Since tekken devil within, ill be dropping the character. Its really heart breaking that ive arrive to this decision but playing with this tools which way worst than t7 season 4 . Im not that good at tekken and still learning alot of stuff but devil jin just dont have anything to offer for this and has little leeway. Im in kishin and been stuck there for awhile now. Goodluck and you have my admiration for those who will stay all the way with devil jin despite all the nerfs. I just feel like picking another hero(thinking about choosing reina) would help me improve my playstyle. As things stands now, devil jin mains voices arent even heard and devz just too blind to address this. They even give us bs reason that doesnt make sense. Only that the move is like that and didnt even consider it as a whole with the character. I really wonder why they even put him in this version, its just depressing how he is slowly getting destroyed bit by bit. Devz should re explain whats the purpose of this character so they them selves can see what bs they are doing. Welp, gonna drop the character now and thanks for all the talks we have devil jin mains.
They already kill my main CH But you killed yourself by writing all those lines here and I hope you will convey this message to Bamco or Namco devs. Maybe they will fix this mess in the next update or make an exceptional immediate update.PLZ try 🙏
@@m.k9620 ill try sending a message and add to the devil jin mains who are still fighting for a fix . Don't really know where though 😅. Anyway just tried sharing my heart break her with all the dvj main since the peps who can somewhat understand are fellow users. Thank you for noticing or to some extent , reading it. Have a good day, king 😊
well tekken 7 especially the later seasons was an experience, would be nice to have a buff once i a while :D
since King might be a better mishima now :D
Are they just trying to kill the character because they'll probably remove from the next game or what? He's my goat and will probably be buffed but damn it doesn't look good for him in the future
These dvj nerfs is like having arthritis for no reason
"Fix Devil Jin mister"
i could handle all the Devil Jin nerfs if they matched the balance design philosophy of every other character it genuinely feels like they just hate the character at this point and their reasoning just flat out contradicts so many other characters decisions its so hard to want to keep playing especially DevilJin
Good thumbnail lmao
thanks i stole it
I just really wish that the first hit of laser scraper had some kind of counter hit property, same for normal jin. I miss it so much.
Devil Jin is literally not fun to play anymore! Fuck Bamco
It's fun just not that good
I love Momo's way of thinking.
"Please don't drop the character he's still cool"
This should be the mindset of every Tekken player regardless of which character you like especially if you are NOT someone who's livelihood is dependent on winning tournaments.
Are you serious ⁉️ ff2 on block -8
Instead of giving him his df2 ch back or old df1~2 or uf4 back we get this shit
This is just so sad. I finally start playing Tekken and my favorite character gets nerfed into the ground for no reason. But do we stop playing him? NO! We just play him better!
Yea ok 😂 buddy let’s see how long you keep that Midwest after practicing so hard just to get beat by a 10 year old victor player using simple control 💀
The devs who made the decision to nerf devil jin, as well as every single person who complained about him, are idiots. No 2 ways about it
Next they’re gonna nerf his hellsweep to have even less range and the electric damage is gonna get nerfed lol
I don't even know at this point. What the fook are they thinking I might as well be a Kuma player since all Mishimas take double the execution to get nerf every patch.
No Jun no Jin no Law nerfs... 😂😂
Pd: Let me correct a bit before people cry, I meant significant nerfs neither of the three I mention are affected by any change this patch they still get away with sh#t.
It’s decently frustrating. They ended up gutting Devil Jin’s poking to make way for gimmicks, whereas Jin had the range on his pokes buffed, only for there to be nothing in the way of drawbacks for that. Having burst/panic options is what separated Devil Jin in T7, only for Jin to gain much more usable power crushes, a better Samsara while Devil Jin’s gets nerfed, while also gaining a malicious mace that’s better at building momentum, and counterhit launches too. Scourge being a new low on top of Jin’s already great stature smash (it’s 3+, and Jin has a 12 frame mid to keep the opponent in check), while Devil Jin still has mediocre lows.
I find it so hard to have faith in Bamco when they seem to know so little about their own game at times and make incredibly weird, hard to justify decisions.
they cut off his wings man
And trimmed his claws 😓
@@HellCat_Kenny they put him in a cage like a bird
Fahkumram syndrome💀
I’m trying to get DJ to God rank and I’m half way. But DJ tools in the neutral is so lack luster. We gotta work harder it’s dumb
Next patch - db2 launchpunishable, mc 1 +2 i wont be surprised
used to be kishin before 1.04, now i am struggling to get back to that rank
He carried you through your worst now it's your job to carry him
@@AbdullahHaider-o6e xd
@@AbdullahHaider-o6enot much to carry when the rest of the roster has power crush heat engagers, spammable +f on block, tracking strings, good mids/lows, and such. A single crutch would be a sufficient sum of DJ at launch. Now?😂 He is now the circus' leader😂😂😂
@@WindrushKrew275 you know devil jin has all that too right
@@fancydeeldo No he doesn't have it wtf are you on?
Mourning crow can still crossup tho. May not be able to do the side spinning hit but you can still pass by your opponent and come back to him face to face from a potential hellsweep launch incorrect wakeup.
Also i mean you can also yolo MC2 when the opponent is side stepping and also get them but yeah no MC 2 is really tight now.💀
It's so sad to see the character who's been my main since I was 7 years old like this...
Bro I'm saying he's been my main since I was 4-5 around the time T5 1st dropped for ps2 and now he's utter garbage and my dumb loyalist a$$ just doesn't know when to call it quits because he's still my fav character.
Devil Jin and Genji in the same boat bro
So real, I one tricked genji in ow. back in the game and dvj now 🤣
On top of that no more balance changes until season 2… enjoy playing devil Jin for the rest of the year lmfao
Just feel bad for Qudans man.
It would be nice to have a single string that had a mixup or even a low hit at all outside of the 10 hit combo.
It's okay guys, they want you to use his other mids???
What other mids? Those mids suck. Funny thing is they didn’t even buff other moves, just behavior changes which is ok i guess.
Yea I’m taking a break from T8. I’m just done.
That thumbnail LOL
Wow they really nerfed him to bottom 5 again lol. Idk what the devs thinking
I'm sooo sad 😭 he is my main character but what the devs think ⁉️
"Please dont drop the character. He is still cool!" Got me laughing😂.
Despite bamco hating on Devil jin I will keep playing him. Best character Design in the game for m
I'm of the same idea here but man, this patch update is demoralizing
King can wave dash now might need a pocket char
He has always been able to wave dash?
@@kristianbojinov6715 no that was a cracked crouch dash. You needed to be frame perfect for consistency. Most likely using macros if you seen it. And i can doit
yeah for now i will play King instead
@@ganjasole
You didn't need to be frame perfect to wave dash with, you just needed to skip neutral between forward the qcf or d,f motion.
Was doable without macros. Reasonably difficult execution
Did i understand correctly that you cant do instant while standing 3 combos anymore??
Its really hard to keep playing DJ. He is super frustrating and weak.
they also fixed the rage art missing alot i think? that bug was so annoying
whiffed near the wall just today so not fixed
Nevere drop Devil Jin
The state his play rate is in does showcase that plenty of people have dropped the character already in the meantime. I intend to stick with him regardless, but the way he’s being handled is pretty demoralising
If they made CD 1+2 plus 2 at least. Then I can understand the mids they want us to use more other than ff2 but being -9 doesn't help. There's no longer a space that Devil Jin wants to be in. To far makes chains wiff.. to close and your mids make you lose your turn. Mid zone is a more advance player zone to wiff punish things. So this character is officially the most difficult and least rewarding character.
Sorry for being out of the subject. But does your Razer Raion have a Pivot? And if not is it a big problem? I am looking to buy one and so many are scaring me away from this controller.
I do not have a pivot, I'd like to try a Raion with a pivot someday, though
Hehe video duration
The devs knows T5 tech catches are op so they removed this one thank you Namco and I hope you'll look at U1 frame data next
much appreciated keep up the good work 👍
its like playing on expert mode now, there's really no reason to main DJ anymore
Still the coolest Mishima, cool combos, loyalty.
Forever a Devil Jin main.
Now he's the leroy of tekken 8.
They'll buff Devil Jin as soon as everyone drops him
What is the highest damage from a combo without the heat, walls and floors with dvj?
Sidestep 1, u 1+2, run up 3 2, ff b 2 1 into heavens gate
i think the issue they have is they are so set on this idea of launching nh hellsweep that they can't adjust him elsewhere.
They locked themselves into this position because they refuse to make his hellsweep 4,4 a CH launcher again and remove the launching hellsweep on nh...
Sad state of affairs, hope the best for you bro in your exam
hopefully this marks the end of nerfing this character, since ferrari, albeit regrettable, was "unintended", and ff2 was just a blanket nerf, we can only go up from here! ...right?
They’ll find a way to nerf him again. Who knows, maybe next update his df1 is launch punishable on block 🤡
nope, they'll probebly nerf devil lance, and ff 2 again for him, cause those moves overshadow the other moves, too bad dvj has very few moves in comparison to most of the rosteer, and those moves are not used because they're good, they're fine at best, but because they are his best options, his mids are trash, and almost all of his moves are trash especially after the constant nerfs, he really needs his range back at least for his smash, and the smash was only once per round too, tracking would've been enough of a nerf, now it's useless. got no loows, no highs, and almost no safes, and knowing how they rarely buff characters that were strong at first, or if they do they buff them badly on useless moves or just damage, I don't see how it could even get him to mid unless they give him some of hi original stuff, or new moves
Bro what happened to your twitter? Can't find it apparently
Deactivated until exams, only reactivated for a short period of time because of patch
Just beat the shit out of a Tekken god devil jin with my kazuya bruh, I'm in Mighty ruler, they doing DJ so dirty 😭😭
Crazy right
got to play your bryan in ranked today it was an honor sir :)
Well, back to Kazuya i go. I thought life would be better here. Follow me brothers, we finally have combos now
😂😂😂
thx god im not playing t8, cuz balance team are so bad, sad for qudan
They must really hate Dvj to nerf him this bad
When tekken 8 will be updated on chikki play pc games
Bro said don’t drop the character he’s cool 💀 yea but he’s also heavily nerfed and is straight ahh overall . He’s very lackluster, horrible Lows , 50/50 hellsweep that is not that dangerous because the damage suck and off the combo there’s no oki , his poking is trash, ff2 is meh , his heat smash is trash , he’s like a d overall and he’s hell to play with. While there’s people who’s battle rulers using victor , Reina, Eddie,Jin,king,jun, all ranking up using cheese character and still are using simple controls 💀 where is the skill in this game , nerf devil after already being an skill based character to now an awful character is beyond me. Character dropped.
I was pretty disappointed at the ff2 change. A lot of my whiff punishes come from the pushback it gave me. Ehh, I guess we’ll just make our opinion known and hope for the best
Thumbnail got me weak af
They want you to stop playing DJin and he won't be in t9 as he doesn't exist by the end of T8 story. The only reason they put him in the game for story purposes and to avoid backlash for not putting him in the game. Other than that i can't think of any other reason or may be just devs have become stupid.
He was already weaker than Kazuya even mainman said many times kazuya is stronger, now they buffed kazuya and nerfed djin again.
My opinion as the lover of devil jin is like they need to give him more power, can anybody say why the nerfed him? Devil jin was the best character in the game in my opinion. But now he is still good but compere to other characters in the game he is mid.I still play as the devil jin becouse he is my most favorite character of all time but its sad that they nerfed him so much. He was so strong in Tekken 5 or 6 even in 7 but now what they did to him is sad. PLEASE GIVE DEVIL JIN MORE POWER😭
Thumbnail so good 😂
Rip Momo Dog
MOMO DAWG, become a jack player man. You should join the jack gang.
These nerfs are jins fault honestly, he’s the one whose overpowered in this game but devil jin got the backlash. FF2 and DOWN 2 are all jin players spam. Jin aggressive asf compared to dvj and he dont have to worry cuz jin can just zen cancel cop out or just continue his offense without worry. Dvj gotta be more defensive and be a neutral god to even compete.
Walahi we're cooked devilster 💀💀💀 i mean this character already dead in lore why not make him dead in game typical bumco
Its cd1 still the best combo ender? After heat dash
probably
That thumbnail, lmao 😂
Harada and bandinamco what the funk
*myron slam* AGAIN!
LMAO
They are trying to remove devil Jin from the game slowly with these nerf I think that’s their goal 🤦🏽
Is he bottom 1 yet? 😭
read the description
@@Momo-DogI hope panda don’t see your description and decide to nerf him again into bottom 1 status
All jokes aside, now what?
I'll be honest Devil jin is basically dead, Illinois I'll always main him, but honestly idk what to do with him now, he basically became very bad, and very repetitive
This character is unplayable, i'm moving on to King and Kaz
My condolences 😂
😢😢😢
DJ is bottom 1
Dvj is bad, i dont even main him no more after tekken 7 season 5. Tekken 8 started promising but he's still not that good. With nerf he's low teir
Guys, yall gotta chill. Dvj is still fine and good. Ff2 is a great move and with heat better than ever. And we got a neat b3 buff which im gratefull for. If you like the character just play him but please stop the whining this shit gets embarassing.
He got unnecessary nerfs no one is whining only players whining were players getting shat on by devil Jin
What are you saying lol 💀 I would love to play you while your using dj and I’ll use one hand using any other character and I still bet you couldn’t get a round on me, DJ is e rank now and it’s ridiculous
It was a about time to nerf devil jin with his ridicolus flies attacks,never seen so much bullshit.
Good. He broken
Ff2 nerf is insane lol
They could never make me hate you, dvj 🥲