He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638 Surely not. Very often the barriers are left open. Many times I've not had to put my ticket in the slot at all, either on departure or arrival. Pretty sure I wouldn't be refunded.
It’s not just refunds. Some tickets can be used within a certain time frame (from days to weeks) so if the ticket isn’t marked by the machine, it could be used again for another journey.
I think that it is very telling that the video stopped at that exact point. It is possible, but i think unlikely, that he turned off his recording equipment at that exact moment. If the video continued for 2 more seconds we would have either seen the gates open, or the ticket being rejected. If the ticket was rejected, then that would have supported the accusation of fare-dodging. If the ticket was accepted then the cyclist would have been shown to be wrong. So his decision to end the video at that exact point undermines his allegation.
Typical attitude and behaviour of cyclists in general. What a prick. His aggressive behaviour and implied threat was an overreaction. It was completely unnecessary, particularly when he ought to have asked the security guard stood less than a metre away, to intervene and check this chaps ticket. He had no reasonable grounds to speak or act in such a way. Anyhow, I personally think cyclists are insurance and road tax dodgers. As a motorist, I'm quite peed off about that, but I don't go around accusing or abusing them.
This is the sort of cyclist that we meet everyday of the week on the roads and they really piss me off . Helmet cam footage shows himself to be just a fool . Big mouth big head if he put this footage online and it was me i would sue the living arse off him. He did assult the guy and should be brought before the courts . His attitude stinks .
Yes. Even without the Covid restrictions, the lesson here from this video is to give 'strangers' two metres of social distance. This is the problem about living in big cities: people do get too close to one another. If the accused had kept the two metre distance and waited for the accuser to leave, we won't have this video! We could be "uncharitable" and criticise the accused of false economy and impatience. But, those behaviours do not warrant this aggressive reaction. Another excellent video from Black Belt Barrister. (18 January 2024).
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight. I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
@CustardSpace The thing speaks for itself, which is a legal term that this man should have used. Prevarication gets no one nowhere. It is evidential that the lad did not have a valid ticket or he would immediately have put it into the machine instead of doing what he was doing. You know we may yet face a situation, the way things are, of no commitments to honesty, in that someone stabs another, in broad day light, no ambiguity, and comments flood in that the person did not know what they were doing, they being mentally ill, they being drunk, they being anything but what is seen, a stabbing
@CustardSpace Yes it does speak for itself. We have a certain amount of people who spend their whole lives debating the obvious, and this is true throughout history. If you knew your history you would find this to be so, that there are those who spend their lives pointlessly debating what is evident before them, whilst at the same time there are those who just look the other way. You are classing the human race as being all of the same mind, which means you really need to read and examine history, and get out more. The lad had a ticket. If a valid ticket he would have used it to prove it, but did not, just hung around.
lol really? just deserved I think - even if that other person WAS fare dodging, him getting all in his face and "you don't know who you're ffing with" showed what a tosser he is.
Yes, I agree 100%. The verbal aggression from the cyclist is disturbing. We could accuse the accused of impatience. But, if the accuser carries on with the mindset of looking for conflict, then, it is he who is in danger of coming across of someone who might not be as calm and pragmatic as the accused. Anyway, another eloquently explained video from Black Belt Barrister. (18 January 2024).
The degree of twatness increases in diect proportion to the cost of the bike and more significantly, the cost of the ancillary equipment. Same with cars!
What happens is the cycle seats apply pressure to a pair of glands. That makes it way up the spinal column to the brain, then down the optic nerve to cause red-green colour blindness. Just go and watch any set of traffic lights and you will see the effect in action.
Am I missing something but that barrier is for people who need more space, prams, wB heelchairs, and someone with a bike! It isn't for ordinary persons. Moreover, the guy walking had passed the point of putting in his ticket. Sure he was ready with a ticket but clearly wasn't going to use it. Frankly BBB got it totally wrong here.
If you have a paper ticket in London you don't have to validate it, if the gates are open you just walk through. These larger gates are slower than the other ones so if you can walk through behind someone you do
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@SirrelSquirrel If you look in Network Rail regulations, you'll find that they explain that these "larger gates" are for people with mobility issues who can't use the ordinary barriers - just as is indicated clearly on the gates themselves. They are not intended as an alternative for 'anyone' even if during peak times when crowded, (which this obviously wasn't), they may waive the right to check tickets by opening the gates. And if you don't need to validate, then why do they have barriers at all.
He has a paper ticket, not an oyster or bank card, looks to be in London with card reader on the barrier, all this means is he’s not local and probably not used to this type of barrier, cyclist is the usual self entitled person who thinks they know better
wtf? People "not local" don't understand barriers and tickets? And even if he's never seen one in his life, he can't work out what needs to happen from watching those in front of him? Apologist.
@@BerkeleyTowers as opposed to what? The cyclist is way out of order for the way he overreacted to someone, my belief is the guy has a valid ticket and just gets it wrong, those tickets often stop working in the machines anyway
@@yeahno.... you're just full of if's and but's. You can "believe" all you want. You have zero evidence to back that up. You can "believe" in father xmas, god or whatever, it makes it no more true that he has a valid ticket. I'm not defending the cyclist's long game, but his initial reaction to having some guy up his arse making no effort to use his ticket was perfectly reasonable. You're an apologist because you make no effort to explain the initial attempt to get through.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
Couldn't agree more. TFL shit themself at the thought of a race card being waved. If the useless prick in the high Viz did his job the guy on the bike wouldn't have to do anything, another reason it's costing more and more.
No need for the fellow behind to be using that gate, he should be using the standard barriers. His failure to use his own ticket has opened him up to a very reasonable suspicion that he is fare evading. Whether he has a valid ticket or not is not even really relevant, the expectation is that he inserts the ticket in to the barrier and they open once for each passenger. He fails to follow this expectation. Cyclists reaction is an over reaction, he simply needed to stop him from piggybacking and then once the barrier is closed, carry on with his day. Fare evasion is rife in London, every time I travel I see people being caught.
What nonsense, I often use the disabled barrier because it's quicker. And often don't need to put the ticket through, so again nonsense with your 'expectation'.
On the buses it's different. I've a friend who does a bus route in Edmonton and Tottenham. He hardy gets anyone, especially yoof, paying. All he can do is say "if an inspector gets on, you'll get a fine".. "OK, thanks driver!". Inspectors tend to need police, or they get beaten up. The don't call it a "bus cart" for nothing!
@@17losttrout My brother was a bus driver for about 10 years, he used to be very shirty with anyone that wouldn’t pay. It’s all down to who the driver is, some of them like the confrontation, others don’t get paid enough for it, so they shut up and drive.
@@aquilegus Not really. By all means use your camera in traffic, the same way as motorists do, but why on earth have it running while walking your bike through a railway station unless you are worried about people teararsing up and down pushing luggage trolleys?
@@tomvalentine4928 do cars turn off their dash cams? Of course not. so whats the problèm with leaving it running in a public place, where things can and did happen. This isnt about filming. Live and let live.
I’m actually of the view that he is selling the act. He could have just walked to another barrier and walked through and then the guy on the bike would feel silly
He could have dealt with this by simply saying nicely to the gentleman " I'm sorry but you need to let the barrier close, then you put your ticket in the machine there.".And then " If you're having trouble with your ticket or the machine I'm sure this nice security guard could help you" Then he could have simply turned to the security guard and said in a friendly manner that maybe the gentleman needs some help and that he wouldn't want anyone to think that they were together but trying to only pay for one of them to go through... I think BBB is right in that he did look shocked and maybe he's not from London, it could be his first time on the underground etc. or maybe not, who knows but it could have been handled in a much nicer way.
I believe in the original video the ticket gate "double beeped" to show the ticket wasn't valid. All in all, he shouldn't have tried to tailgate. If I feel I'm being tailgated, i step aside and ask them to go through first. That usually stops them.
Why would a cyclist be filming his pedestrian progress through a railway station unless he was looking for content like the rest of the scrotes who make a living seeking confrontation.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
A colleague of mine who was, let's just say, a rather scruffy dresser, used to commute long distance with me from Birmingham to London on first class. I used to get really irked at how many times archetypal 'businessmen' in suits would approach him to demand to see his ticket. He always refused to acquiesce on the grounds that it was none of their damn business and, let's face it, there was zero chance in an almost empty carriage that the train manager wasn't going to check it himself. Prejudice, for whatever reason, is a terrible scourge that still pervades this country and causes unnecessary grief, upset and aggravation. Let's be sure of our facts before making ourselves look like total idiots in front of an audience looking for something potentially viral to post to their social media accounts.
I once had a 1st class ticket, given to me as a present, when the guard approached me and told me it was a first class carriage and I'd have to move, before he even saw my ticket. To be fair, he was acutely embarrassed when I showed him the ticket, and at least the carriage was pretty empty so I hadn't been embarrassed as much as I might have been. I wasn't even scruffily dressed or dirty, just not expensively dressed.
I know the feeling. I once bought a 1st class ticket (mostly because, for some reason, it was only a couple of pounds more than a regular ticket), and I was dressed pretty normal: just some khaki trousers, sweater, and a winter jacket. I sat down and I was just minding my own business, playing on my phone with my headphones on, but I kept getting dirty looks from 3 people (who had direct line of sight to me) dressed in full suits. It felt really awkward the whole 2h ride, especially when everyone was ordering their complimentary breakfasts, then stared at me when it was my turn to order, and all I asked for was a some water lol
In reality we don’t know what the guy was up to. However the cyclist’s overreaction is obvious. His extremely aggressive attitude was not necessary but no surprise knowing how self obsessed so many cyclists are.
At my local station theres two barriers and a disable barrier. Everyone uses the disabled barrier. The guard often holds it open from the control panel to ease congestion. Ppl walk up with their ticket in hand, if you dont have a ticket visible they close the gates to check you. Its not a big deal.
Exactly... If he hasn't a valid ticket he'll be paying for the consequences... It appears this is the first time ever this cyclists has used the tube/train station! We live so fast...
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
that's not only an overreaction but it is also a threat which could land him in a load of trouble. Especally seen he recorded himself making it so there is physical evidence of him making that threat.
@@jamesbillington3501 Because you have spoken, avoiding the fact that the lad was a criminal, it must be so. No, you can speak and waffle all you like to try and hide that the lad was a thief. The rebuke was justified, what followed was out of hand
@@dougaldouglas8842 where is your proof that this "lad" was a criminal? I think after that rant you have lost the argument. You are making unfounded accusations and fail to allow yourself. to believe that you could have it wrong. You are claiming you know better than a barrister, a law professional, and that to me shows that you are just as narcissistic as the cyclist seems to be. I have admitted that I could be wrong but I still believe that there are enough reasons to believe that this guy was a genuine paying customer and that they cyclist is just out of control. You can't even see that you could possibly be wrong and so we can't trust your opinion because you clearly would say anything to vilify this person. You have a good day now.
@@GwladYrHaf He was the EPITOME of civilised. In civilised society we expect people to PAY THEIR WAY. If people are allowing third world imports to fare-dodge and jump barriers it is not because they feel a sense of kinship and brotherly love. It is because they are AFRAID to object. Civilisation is the constraint of extreme violence. If you are unable to perform extreme violence in the pursuance of justice you are not civilised... You are just weak. Then there is the type of person who is violent but UNcivilised. The type of person WITHOUT constraint. This is the type that the person filming was warning the fare-dodger to be wary of in future.
@@waynegoldpig2220Guy wasn't really civil though. He swore nonstop, shouting the whole time, getting in the fare dodger's face and then warns him not to get close..? Lol civil my backside. He was in the right, but yeah I wouldn't call this a civil response at all
Well done bbb, you have stirred up the anticycling brigade,if you follow someone through a barrier without validating your ticket,you are commiting a criminal offence, wether you have a valid ticket or not, and why would he follow the cyclist through the most inconvenient barrier if not to avoid validating his ticket?also if as you say revealing his identity could cause the man to possibly lose his job then why did bbb not conceal his identity? Would the comments be the same if he had pushed through a normal barrier following someone without a bike?
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
I doubt that is true. It might be on your terms of conditions to get the ticket validated but unless you are committing fraud or similar its not going to be a crime. The whole situation just looked like stressed commuting syndrome
Well if cyclists weren't so far up their own arsed, paid road tax and insurance, they might be on the same level as the rest of us and have cause to complain
There are (at least) two other barriers available, and I counted 8 passengers pass straight through with their valid tickets. Why does this guy have to follow someone else so closely?
Sometimes the guards hold the disabled gate open to ease the flow,maybe this guy is on his regular commute and it's something that usually happens. The guards at my local station do this, and often open the gate for me when they see me approaching with my ticket in hand.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638 is that what I'm doing every time I walk up to the barriers with ticket in hand, and the guard holds it open for me, I'm trying to get a refund? Or is it just that it's my every day commute and the guards hold the gates open at busier times to ease congestion at the gates? You 🤡🤡🤡🙈
He appears to have musics and could just be in a bit of trance and going with the flow and simply just not paying attention. The angry guy seems like complete tosses and should have stayed working from home!
Yes, but there is nothing inherently wrong with that, it's common to pass through the disabled gate without putting the ticket through. While we can't be sure what his intentions were, let's not attribute malice without proof to the contrary, it's entirely possibly he was just listening to music on autopilot and went to pass through an open gate.
@@ryanmitcham5522 There is something inherently wrong with that in that it against the rules set down by the operating authority, just as passing through the disabled gate if you are not disabled without inserting your ticket is inherently wrong. Two inherent wrongs don't make an inherent right!
@@richardsutton01 if you think that it is wrong because it is against the rules.... one on the stations that i use regularly will often, and I am talking about 90% of the time, leave the barriers open after 6pm and just assume that everyone passing through will have their tickets checked on the train. When the barriers are closed then they will. often open the barrier for you after checking your ticket instead of making you insert it especally if it is a disabled or elderly. person who seems to. be struggling to insert it. So you are saying that the station, one of many I know that do this, is trying to entrap people by seeing who actually inserts/scans their ticket even when the barrier is open?
I don't know if this guy has a genuine valid ticket. But it would be so simple to demonstrate he has, he could just scan the ticket and get the barrier to open. Once open, were I ticket man, I'd tell bicycle man exactly where to go.
They're useless. A few weeks ago I was knocked over by two lads tailgating me and the staff didn't even break off their cosy chat to help me up let alone challenge the tailgaters
As a teenager I was falsely accused of not paying the right fare on a bus because my friends got off at the stop before the one I wanted. The bus driver was very rude and when he realised I had paid to the next stop didn’t bother to apologise either. People are very quick to think the worst. PEACE ;]
Look at the way he is holding the ticket as he shows it. As a security officer I would ask him to hand the ticket to me for inspection before accepting it. He covering important information with his thumb. People who act dishonesty can be good actors. His reaction is suspicious to a trained and experienced security officer.
yep . made sure his thumb was covering the same bit, then held the ticket up in an unnatural cack handed way. Then walked away from the barrier, when the thing to do would be step back and open it with the ticket.
@@darrenelkins5923maybe he stepped back away because he didn't want to go through the barrier straight into the threatening cyclist 🤷♂️ He goes back to the barrier after the cyclist has moved away a bit.
He had a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
"One day you'll do that to someone really nasty..." You might want to mark those words. Some day you'll take that lycra energy and push the wrong person, then find out what either that bike or tarmac tastes like.
@@steveaustin4118lol, I don't think any of us punch above our weight, we choose what battles to fight. Would you tell a tattooed thug with arms as thick as your waist, not to smoke in public?
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
it looked like he was about to. but would you if there was some guy the other site of that barrier who had already shoved you and was shouting, pointing and making threats? I would certainly wait and hope that the security officer, who he has shown his ticket to, would tell the cyclist to move on as that sort of behaviours isn't acceptable.
@@jamesbillington3501yes, use a different barrier and go about your business. There’s no need to stand there arguing with him when there are alternative barriers
@@jamesbillington3501 ni it does not at all. It looks like he was trying to tail gate. Even if he had a valid ticket, he could have been looking to save this for another exit at that station later the day or to cliam a refund for an unused ticket.
fair dodging or not the way he reacted was unacceptably agressive abusive. acting as if he would be charged double if the guy followed him through. from the guys accent he could easily have been a recently arrived forign tourist who was unsure of the rules and how petty some people can be about them. not sure but are multi trip tickets available? - like a 10 trip ticket - following through and not having it registered would result in not using one of his prepaid journeys and be fair dodging while still having a ticket that could be valid if used. train tickets are insanely overpriced in the UK compaired to most of europe where you will pay less than half the price for a cleaner, and more modern trains - train companies charge as much as they can get away with and people not paying would result in less excessive profits rather than higher prices for everyone else - if you could charge more they would already be doing it but blaming fair dodgers would be an easy excuse i they ever increase prices ( clearly not true though as its been used in the past and they never come back down after they clamp down and drastically reduse the problem) - just one of the examples of how privatisation created rip of britan
I don't go to London thankfully or use poor people's transport much if I can help it (too many plebs)😮 but I ask you, if you don't scan your ticket doesn't that mean you can use it again later? Of course once challenged you can then present a perfectly valid ticket and a vacuous, innocent face, honestly I can pull the most innocent face whatever I'm thinking! Not saying our Barrister is a schmuck, but he seems to have bought the vacant face look without a question, I'm not so certain, but I'd say the 'look' is a red herring and beneath a barristers supposed intelligence. Truth is we will never know for sure, but let's assume the bicyclist was trying to be a bit of a busybody and let's assume the pedestrian was just vacuous and innocent and leave it at that!
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@dougaldouglas8842 It make s you wonder if he is any good as a barrister as he appears to be so easily tricked and can't process what has happened right in front of his eyes.
@@jonjon738 I was wondering the same thing. The incident speaks for itself, even down to the cyclist rebuking what is clear as being a thief, the word rebuke comes into play, and perfectly used in this situation.
First guy scanned his tix , fella behind was obviously trying to get through. Common sense really wait your turn the confrontation wouldn’t have even started. Like driving a car no reason for people to be so up peoples backsides same with this - had he waited like a normal person , not been right behind him. Just wait not difficult.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
This has nothing to do with having a valid ticket. When using these barriers you have stand back let one person thoruhg and then you go through. He could have easily pickpocketted the guy who recorded this video.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight. I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
The surprised is he got caught, The chap on the side, it IS his JOB to step forward, to look at the ticket of the guy in the white coat. No he was showing the ticket facing down wards. The regulations are the gate MUST close between each and every passenger. Plus as he is a single person, he is meant to go through the other barrier, this one is for wheelchairs, pushchairs, cycles.
I've watched this a few times. I could be wrong of course. But I personally think he was dodging a fare. @ 5:10 Just before he offers the ticket to the guard he initially holds it the right way up. But then when he actually offers it to the guard he turns them upside down so it's not easy to see the date on it. It's probably less comfortable to hold it this way than keeping it turned the right way when showing it. To me that suggests a deliberate intention to turn it over. Then instead of waiting for the guard to check it, he pulls it away to carry on with the conversation. We obviously don't see what happens when he later puts the ticket in the barrier but I suspect there was a good chance the ticket would not work. If I was in this situation, being accused but with a valid ticket then I would have simply put the ticket in the barrier and come through it, then asked the cyclist for an apology.
The security officer is seriously at fault because he was standing there doing nothing. The security officer should of told the cyclist to move on and asked the man to show his ticket. However,the cyclist should of went on, if that man was fair dodging his last stop will be in a prison cell when BTP.
You can assault someone and not face jail so its hardly realistic to imply jail for fare dodging. I dunno what the guy whose ticket was failing was doing BUT Its clear from the video the bloke shouting at him was angry - fai enough - and agressive - That went over the top. The 'You'll meet someone nastier than me?' Maybe. But he'd probably have to go a long way to do it.
You, like the cyclist, have made an assumption. Passing through behind somebody on that type of gate is normally quicker than pointlessly waiting for the gate to close, then reopening it again with your own ticket. Don't assume foul play without proof. In any case, assaulting somebody for that is not justified, at all. I'm horrified your defending that.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other, both are ion the wrong. there's no real reason for the guy behind to be so close, at the point before he was pushed back he was literally straddling the back wheel of the bicycle. i believe it is more than reasonable for one to come to the conclusion of him either being a fair dodger or a possible pickpocket/mugger.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638 valid ticket or not though there wasn't IMO a valid reason for him to be helping himself to a piggyback ride on the guy's bicycle, just the fact of him getting so far up the guy's arse in front justifies the guy's physical reaction. He is either fare dodging or he is a pickpocket, only pickpockets and faredodgers would feel the need to get so unnecessarily close to some in that situation. either way both pickpockets and faredodgers are slimy scummy shitweasels. i think the biggest scam putting the prices up is climate change and the war against Co2 and hydrocarbons. putting it simply Co2 is most definitely needed and hydrocarbons are not limited to dead dinosaurs under the sea.
That James chap really has to take a good look at his behaviour.he is a very shouty man . and he did accuse that man of not having a ticket. Now would he of done the same if the person behind was white and female? He also requires anger management. He made a " non event" into an event.the guy was put back behind the barrier end of ! Great analysis.thank you.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@dougaldouglas8842 Whilst I agree that he looked surprised...I don't think it's because he thinks he had the right. It's what I would do as a kid, if I were caught in the act...go into instant denial and pretend to be in the right to see if it works.
I have often witnessed (over many years) the vulnerability of cyclists on busy roads and some of the dangerous and questionable driver antics they have to endure. However - this is the product of something more. There is a plague of cyclists who have developed a narcissistic vigilante complex / industry over social media. They have now got used to the likes and interactions their difficult existence presents and it has become a little grifter industry for them. It is now escalating to these frivolous and dangerous interactions in other areas.
Been a long time since I worked on the railway, but it used to be a bylaw offence to tailgate regardless if the passenger had a valid ticket or not. Things may have changed.
@@puclopuclik4108 But when your tickets going up in price to cover those who don't pay (amongst many other things), you can get a bit anoyed at someone allegedly not paying.
@@puclopuclik4108come on if people get too close to you you will think pick pocket. Anytime I get too close to anyone with a bag oeioje will automatically look at their bag and you to see if anything happened I do it all the time.
@@hypergolic8468that really a vey small part of it most of the money is going to share holders and maybe some people are literally so broke and need to get somewhere. This is not why the tickets are expensive. They probably spend more on security than total fair evasion and I bet most people aren’t doing long journeys either..
@@puclopuclik4108 I do this all the time. I just stop half way through and make then reverse. No need to any aleadged push to the stomach. Just make a loud scene of things and most of these fare dodgers back off. Could have been handled more skillfully by the cyclist, especially as he had a large bike too, but we could all be acused of getting things wrong. Too much over sympathy for the immigrant.
He might have an 8 day season ticket that allows him to use any 8 days in a 31 day period, and simply trying to get through without using an activation for a day.... so could have a valid ticket, but trying not use it
I agree totally with your synopsis! It may be that the mild chap following got it in the neck as there may have been other cases where folks were genuinely fare dodging but as they say ...'dont tar everyone with the same brush'! Yes I agree with another comment he seems overly stressed, he needs to chill out
I feel like this man is venting out some anger for a different issue. Surely no one gets that angry about a ticket gate? Maybe he was having a bad morning or something.
He was knowingly going through a restricted / reserved gate. Nobody does this unless they are trying to pull a fast one. Sorry BBB but he knew exactly what he was doing.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
The cyclist has been caught liking some not very nice tweets. If you want to see have a look at the original tweet as people have been sharing images of this.
He's tailgating him - bang to rights - pretty sure tailgatings not allowed on the tube so it doesnt matter if he's got a ticket or not - he's wrong. You can argue the cyclist was a bit over the top but he had a guy right up his behind trying to tailgate so the lesson is don't do it.
@@simongrushka983 Correct, we agree it was over the top but it looked like the guy behind him bumped into him - you think that's ok for someone to do that ?
@@tttt4029 I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight. I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight. I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
@@dougaldouglas8842 It's all very well you coming up with irrefutable evidence against the tailgater but have you any idea how hurt his feelings must have been when he was rebuked for being caught out 😁
Sorry, looked like a failed attempt at a fare dodge to me and then the follow-on cover-up act with a valid ticket (yes) that now does have to have 1 journey deducted from it after all - cheaper than a fine! Did the cyclist over react? Yes, probably, still, as he says he's fed up of this happening, so it is a real thing, did he jump to a premature conclusion? Maybe. I can add that, in the past and when in a rush, I have ended up paying for the person in front of me when they tap, but it doesn't register, they move to the gate, leaving the sensor behind them which I automatically tap thinking they're moving through - so my tap opens the gate for him, only for it to close in my guts when I reach it. Was I assaulted by the gates which I had paid to open? Eitherway, not a comparable situation, Mr "new to London" showed no effort to use his ticket the 1st time around. Just proif positive that our society is falling apart since we no longer share common values... I wonder why
Did the cyclist over react? NO I think he has come across this before,you do get mad when your paying for something and a robber tries to get away with it.
What part of trying to push in behind did you not see in this vid? I was told by a Sicilian that there’s a common saying that they have there,that roughly translates to “keep five hands space from my arse, if you please”. As an ex-catholic school boy I thoroughly agree with him, trying to dodge the ticket machine or not why couldn’t he wait his turn? I’d say the guy was too close behind him and the film certainly doesn’t show him waiting for the barrier to close. Would you want your wife to go through with him squeezing in behind her? Of course not.
This could’ve escalated badly , instead of getting his knickers in a twist and kicking off like that , the cyclist should’ve just referred the matter to the security guard and moved on
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@dougaldouglas8842 I understand these fare dodgers piss off the rest of us who pay our way but I just think the cyclist should’ve played things a bit cooler You never know who you’re dealing with in these situations so I think it’s best not to go in all guns blazing and risk a serious physical altercation
@@liveloud9894 He was right to rebuke the lad, and if more people were man enough to rebuke these people the better we would be. We, in general have become to scared of our own shadows. God help us if ever we went to war.
@@dougaldouglas8842 I’m not saying this behaviour should be allowed to go unchallenged but the cyclist reaction was wrong A firm , calm approach would’ve been better not childish screaming and swearing
@@liveloud9894 So, Mr Know It All, you would have acted differently because words are cheap. Reality is that you would do the same, if not worse. The cyclist was right. Do not agree with his last words, and were out of order, but what he started off with, the rebuke, was correct.
Picking on peasants for petty crime. Great 👍 white collar crime has never been more rampant in this country and this is what you guys are doing bravo 👏 judiciary in this country is not quite where America is but almost.
I think it is an over reaction, but, if he has a valid ticket and doesn't validate it then does the same at the other end of his journey he could get the ticket refunded or use it to make another journey.
Hi Daniel, I do agree with what you say that it doesn't look like he is guilty. My thought on it though is this. To me the cyclist seems like he is looking for the confrontation, it would have been less agressive if he had just asked the security guard to deal with it as that is why the guard is there. If he had done that though he probably wouldn't have had an interesting video to post.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
Seems like a case of someone getting self-righteous, likely cause they're in a bad mood, then realising they probably made a mistake in real time and doubling and tripling down. Could be a live action performance art for Internet dialogue. They should play it in the Tate.
How silly. He’s an obvious fair dodger! “Genuinely surprised”!!!! Of course he is! He will have done this many times in the past. He obviously picked the turnstile with the guy cyclist as it would be the easiest to dodge through. The guy’s a scumbag and I’m with the cyclist on this one. And another thing. Surely he has to dodge the exit barrier at the destination as well, otherwise he could get charged the maximum daily fair for some transit systems.
Sir, would appreciate your thoughts on this incident… Walking down to my local Sainsburys and have had to stop a couple of times for the Phone Zombies (head down, no idea who's around them)… I clapped my gloved hands three or four times at a woman advancing in this manner to make her to look up which she did, and then had an ‘Excuse me!!!’ reaction from her from behind… Apparently I am rude for not wishing to constantly have to stop for mobile phone morons… She claimed she wasn't going to walk into me, despite having headphones in (“but the music wasn't on”) and that I shouldn't be doing something that might threaten young girls - I made the observation that she wasn't so young - which was also categorised as ‘Rude’! I put my elbows out when it comes to people trying to barge me out the way now…
Mr B it looks dodgy to me, I would never do that to someone invading their space to save a few seconds, plus we don't actually see him going through the gate. 🤔
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
Even if he had a valid ticket it could be he wanted to keep it for a second bite of the apple. You wait until till the gate closes behind the passenger in front of you and put your ticket in to reopen it.
@@TheJase8566 Some do. For example with an anytime return ticket you have to use the outward ticket within 5 days and the return ticket within 1 month. So there’s an opportunity do use the same ticket multiple times if you can sneak through the barriers without actually using your ticket.
@@SuperAd1980 the machine eats the ticket on exit, even if you didn’t put it through the machine on entry. The only way your Muskesque masterful gambit would work is if you jumped the barrier on both ends.
I’m from Sydney Australia. But from what I know the law in England only requires you to have a valid ticket for travel. It doesn’t require you to put it into a ticket machine for validation. Thus, unless the ticket that person had and presented was invalid, he had every right to do what he did, in a way. The “loose threads” question is, was the ticket valid? We may never know…… But people out there “don’t get all up in someone’s grill” like that in any situation. There’s some people out there that value their personal space. There’s some people who have a Real problem with it. And those people can react like that cyclist did ( I know he was talking about fare evasion but there maybe more to this confrontation than meets our eyes here. Just hypothetically saying the following. The cyclist may have PTSD or he may have lashed out due to ethnic reasons. Don’t know. It’s just a wild thought) ….. Once more and again I’m just saying this. Give People Space in the future. It just may save you from a situation like the one depicted here…….. ⚛️☮️🌏
Thanks for the comment Daniel as always!... In my opinion... probably a professional dodger, body language says he does it all day, looking the lost offended little boy. I have been on the end of it many times when living in the UK. All the guy had to do was to put his ticket through the machine. If he was genuine, he would have not had to push his way through directly behind the first man. Its a normal day to day experience and part of life, however unfortunate we hay find it. Like me, the first guy who had a rant at the second guy probably has had enough of what life throws at him.
I think you're right in your analysis of what's going on here. I also think that the cyclist has jumped to a conclusion on this occasion. Probably because he's had fare dodgers following him through the barriers ad nauseum. The guy with the ticket looks genuinely confused
I wonder if there is a legal aspect to putting the ticket through the machine? The ticket must be coded after going through the machine to show that the traveller has used the correct route, between the correct times. Do you think failure to have the ticket correctly read and re-coded for onward travel might constitute at least a breach of condition of use or worse breach of contract or fare-dodging in itself?
@integer25964 I took a look at the post he has a twitter full of him kicking off at people, complaining about people or things in the cycle lane and so on.
Cyclist sounds like another Jeremy Vine. I don't think the other guy was fare dodging because he was prepared to go through the barrier right infront of the security guard, who, you think, would ask to see his valid ticket, having not put it in the machine
Looks like an overreaction to me, the guy was daydreaming by the looks of it and just not thinking, the cyclist acted on impulse, he shouldn't have posted the video, surely he watched it again after the event..... or he posted it for the views.
As others have said there was no valid reason for chap behind to use that gate when there was one with no queue right next to him. He was holding the ticket in a peculiar way, covering part of it with his thumb. The look of shock on his face is a good bit of acting as I see it. Tried it on and got caught out!
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
The CPS says "An assault is any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence." *pointing* "Don't come so close to me. You don't know who you're fucking with. Next time it's going to be someone who is *really* nasty." This implies that the speaker believes he himself to be a certain degree of "nasty". The cyclist could have simply deffered this to the guard standing next to him, who had the authority to check the ticket. The cyclist had no reason to use force. He wasn't defending his own safety, he just wanted to play at security.
The ticket still has to be incerted in the machine to open those barriers,the ticket will DEDUCT down the use and registar it on that card,card probibly has been paid for with so many uses of the barriers.the fare dodging was going to happen by NOT using the machine.It was not over reaction because that guy was trying NOT to use his ticket.That guy who went through the barriers was in the right stopping that fare dodger because he does NOT uses his card in the maching.That guy could show a million tickets that still means nothing,tickets NEED to go into the machine to deduct how many times it will open those barriers.More better comments below which works out that fare dodger should face justice.
not really. this is simple train ticket similar to flight ticket. Once you pay for it, you get ticket with informations of the destination, date and time.
Yes really,that ticket has to be used in the machine which opens those barriers,NO swiping machine available either,This was not a one off time I believe,that ticket would not work those barriers because it had run out of use. That guy who stopped him trying it on Knew how people get through barriers without having a ticket.that bloke who was caughtout should face justice.@@puclopuclik4108
Exactly! I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay. The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger. No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight. I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
Looks like fare dodging to me. If his ticket was valid, why didn't he go through the gate using his own ticket like everyone else? I would have been just as annoyed if someone tailgated me. The rail companies recover the cost of fare dodging in their pricing strategy. Why should my ticket be more expensive because someone else doesn't want to pay? And if the tailgater thinks he's been assaulted, he obviously hasn't been properly assaulted before.
"...why didn't he go through the gate using his own ticket like everyone else?" Looks like you weren't watching the video. BBB said that he may have just been trying to save time, happens all the time. If you get annoyed with people 'tailgating' you in this situation then maybe that is your problem. I agree with you that fare dodging affects all the rest of us, but the evidence of this video - in fact the whole reason for this video - was to show that it is unlikely the man was fare dodging in the first place. So again, did you even watch the video? As for your final comment... that says much more about you than anyone portrayed in the video.
Daniel, Good morning. Based upon the limited information I conclude the Cyclist was making a mountain over a mole hill. The fact was he displayed aggression, he could, if he believed the fair dodger was real, he should have asked the security man to check. Best
The presence of the bike is irrelevant. It would very much annoy me as well if someone tried to squeeze through the barrier behind me. Having said that. Question. Are tickets invalidated when they pass through the reader so that they can't be used again? If so I can see a reason for trying to squeeze through on the cyclist's ticket. So that he can use it again. Which would be ticket fraud.
It is assault because its not the cyclist job to check tickets or police the train station. Especially as there is a guard *right there.* I really wish the second guy had just said "can you get out of the way, Im trying to go past" as soon as the idiot cyclist had started shouting
Question 1, would he have acted like that if the other man was white? Question 2, would he have acted like that if the other man was bigger? Definitely an over reaction, how many times have you followed like a zombie when queuing for a turnstile, I've done it and so has my wife and daughter, a simple sorry and say I was in a world of my own is normally enough. His account is no longer active on X
I think the guard should have stepped forward and asked if the second guy had a valid ticket.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638 Surely not. Very often the barriers are left open. Many times I've not had to put my ticket in the slot at all, either on departure or arrival. Pretty sure I wouldn't be refunded.
It’s not just refunds. Some tickets can be used within a certain time frame (from days to weeks) so if the ticket isn’t marked by the machine, it could be used again for another journey.
I would have gone mad if the ticket man had jumped on me to produce ticket on someone else’s say so.
He cannot step forward until he put the ticket in the machine. If rejected then he can step forward. It is the rules.
I think that it is very telling that the video stopped at that exact point. It is possible, but i think unlikely, that he turned off his recording equipment at that exact moment. If the video continued for 2 more seconds we would have either seen the gates open, or the ticket being rejected. If the ticket was rejected, then that would have supported the accusation of fare-dodging. If the ticket was accepted then the cyclist would have been shown to be wrong. So his decision to end the video at that exact point undermines his allegation.
Typical attitude and behaviour of cyclists in general. What a prick.
His aggressive behaviour and implied threat was an overreaction. It was completely unnecessary, particularly when he ought to have asked the security guard stood less than a metre away, to intervene and check this chaps ticket. He had no reasonable grounds to speak or act in such a way.
Anyhow, I personally think cyclists are insurance and road tax dodgers. As a motorist, I'm quite peed off about that, but I don't go around accusing or abusing them.
This is the sort of cyclist that we meet everyday of the week on the roads and they really piss me off . Helmet cam footage shows himself to be just a fool . Big mouth big head if he put this footage online and it was me i would sue the living arse off him. He did assult the guy and should be brought before the courts . His attitude stinks .
I wouldn't walk that close to a stranger.
Ever been to London?
@@BlackBeltBarrister does it look like pick hour?
Yes. Even without the Covid restrictions, the lesson here from this video is to give 'strangers' two metres of social distance. This is the problem about living in big cities: people do get too close to one another. If the accused had kept the two metre distance and waited for the accuser to leave, we won't have this video! We could be "uncharitable" and criticise the accused of false economy and impatience. But, those behaviours do not warrant this aggressive reaction. Another excellent video from Black Belt Barrister. (18 January 2024).
@@BlackBeltBarristerplenty of room in this scenario.
@@BlackBeltBarrister That man in white should known better don't be that close and wait until is your turn in the queue. man in white he is rude.
James comes across as an aggressive bell end ready to kick off first and ask questions later.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight.
I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
@CustardSpace The thing speaks for itself, which is a legal term that this man should have used.
Prevarication gets no one nowhere. It is evidential that the lad did not have a valid ticket or he would immediately have put it into the machine instead of doing what he was doing.
You know we may yet face a situation, the way things are, of no commitments to honesty, in that someone stabs another, in broad day light, no ambiguity, and comments flood in that the person did not know what they were doing, they being mentally ill, they being drunk, they being anything but what is seen, a stabbing
@CustardSpace Yes it does speak for itself. We have a certain amount of people who spend their whole lives debating the obvious, and this is true throughout history.
If you knew your history you would find this to be so, that there are those who spend their lives pointlessly debating what is evident before them, whilst at the same time there are those who just look the other way.
You are classing the human race as being all of the same mind, which means you really need to read and examine history, and get out more.
The lad had a ticket. If a valid ticket he would have used it to prove it, but did not, just hung around.
The video backfired. The cyclist has deleted his twitter/X account.
Oh dear.. fearing a lawsuit no doubt
lol really? just deserved I think - even if that other person WAS fare dodging, him getting all in his face and "you don't know who you're ffing with" showed what a tosser he is.
@@rafezetter8003a tosser for calling out a clear fare dodger. Your small mind is warped. Good on the Cyclist.
I think the cyclist is stressing himself into an early grave.
Yes, I agree 100%. The verbal aggression from the cyclist is disturbing. We could accuse the accused of impatience. But, if the accuser carries on with the mindset of looking for conflict, then, it is he who is in danger of coming across of someone who might not be as calm and pragmatic as the accused. Anyway, another eloquently explained video from Black Belt Barrister. (18 January 2024).
@sucker4thewitch lol, the guardian are the masters of convincing their readers that they are intelligent for reading the guardian.
We don't know how many times he has had this or any other issues going on in his life
You may well be right........ but it doesn't mean he's wrong either.........
I wouldn’t want to be the cyclist. He obviously has problems. Perhaps if everyone practices peace the world would be a better place.
As someone who has just bought a bike I feel genuinely embarrassed by a certain subset of cyclists. Not all of us are twats, despite appearances.
The bike will change you 😂
@@RubberJunk1 you are probably right 🤣
The degree of twatness increases in diect proportion to the cost of the bike and more significantly, the cost of the ancillary equipment. Same with cars!
What happens is the cycle seats apply pressure to a pair of glands. That makes it way up the spinal column to the brain, then down the optic nerve to cause red-green colour blindness.
Just go and watch any set of traffic lights and you will see the effect in action.
Give it 6 months and you'll be clad in lycra,wearing a helmet cam and gesticulating at passing motorists 🤣
Am I missing something but that barrier is for people who need more space, prams, wB heelchairs, and someone with a bike!
It isn't for ordinary persons.
Moreover, the guy walking had passed the point of putting in his ticket. Sure he was ready with a ticket but clearly wasn't going to use it.
Frankly BBB got it totally wrong here.
If you have a paper ticket in London you don't have to validate it, if the gates are open you just walk through. These larger gates are slower than the other ones so if you can walk through behind someone you do
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@SirrelSquirrel If you look in Network Rail regulations, you'll find that they explain that these "larger gates" are for people with mobility issues who can't use the ordinary barriers - just as is indicated clearly on the gates themselves.
They are not intended as an alternative for 'anyone' even if during peak times when crowded, (which this obviously wasn't), they may waive the right to check tickets by opening the gates.
And if you don't need to validate, then why do they have barriers at all.
He has a paper ticket, not an oyster or bank card, looks to be in London with card reader on the barrier, all this means is he’s not local and probably not used to this type of barrier, cyclist is the usual self entitled person who thinks they know better
Are there any "locals" at all in modern London? Just asking for a friend 😂
@@jamespurchase4035the protagonist claims to be
wtf? People "not local" don't understand barriers and tickets? And even if he's never seen one in his life, he can't work out what needs to happen from watching those in front of him? Apologist.
@@BerkeleyTowers as opposed to what? The cyclist is way out of order for the way he overreacted to someone, my belief is the guy has a valid ticket and just gets it wrong, those tickets often stop working in the machines anyway
@@yeahno.... you're just full of if's and but's. You can "believe" all you want. You have zero evidence to back that up. You can "believe" in father xmas, god or whatever, it makes it no more true that he has a valid ticket. I'm not defending the cyclist's long game, but his initial reaction to having some guy up his arse making no effort to use his ticket was perfectly reasonable. You're an apologist because you make no effort to explain the initial attempt to get through.
I’d like to see the cyclists other posts. I suspect he posts a lot of go-pro videos🤔 possibly shouting at motorists and such?
I know the type……
Doesn't change THIS video though.
I have no problem with this reaction, people need to stand up to scammers… BBB seems a little naive here.
No, BBB Sseems reasonable
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
Couldn't agree more. TFL shit themself at the thought of a race card being waved. If the useless prick in the high Viz did his job the guy on the bike wouldn't have to do anything, another reason it's costing more and more.
No need for the fellow behind to be using that gate, he should be using the standard barriers. His failure to use his own ticket has opened him up to a very reasonable suspicion that he is fare evading. Whether he has a valid ticket or not is not even really relevant, the expectation is that he inserts the ticket in to the barrier and they open once for each passenger. He fails to follow this expectation.
Cyclists reaction is an over reaction, he simply needed to stop him from piggybacking and then once the barrier is closed, carry on with his day. Fare evasion is rife in London, every time I travel I see people being caught.
The most reasonable reply I think. I have never ever tried to sneak in behind someone on a barrier - either put your ticket in or tap your card.
What nonsense, I often use the disabled barrier because it's quicker. And often don't need to put the ticket through, so again nonsense with your 'expectation'.
@@ryanmitcham5522 How is it quicker? Genuine question.
On the buses it's different. I've a friend who does a bus route in Edmonton and Tottenham. He hardy gets anyone, especially yoof, paying. All he can do is say "if an inspector gets on, you'll get a fine".. "OK, thanks driver!". Inspectors tend to need police, or they get beaten up.
The don't call it a "bus cart" for nothing!
@@17losttrout My brother was a bus driver for about 10 years, he used to be very shirty with anyone that wouldn’t pay. It’s all down to who the driver is, some of them like the confrontation, others don’t get paid enough for it, so they shut up and drive.
just another cyclist with a camera who has to justify the expense of buying it
male karen with camera.
Yup,, what's he like riding around on the road..
guess your not just another cyclist hater
@@aquilegus Not really. By all means use your camera in traffic, the same way as motorists do, but why on earth have it running while walking your bike through a railway station unless you are worried about people teararsing up and down pushing luggage trolleys?
@@tomvalentine4928 do cars turn off their dash cams? Of course not.
so whats the problèm with leaving it running in a public place, where things can and did happen.
This isnt about filming. Live and let live.
I think the numpty standing there in the yellow vest got off lightly for not stepping in. What the hell was he doing??
Not a lot, quite frankly. That security guard was about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
it's actually not his job unless it escalates, his job would of been to see the bloke come through on james ticket then stop him and check his ticket
@@steveaustin4118 it had escalated.
Nothing. What would you expect?
I’m actually of the view that he is selling the act. He could have just walked to another barrier and walked through and then the guy on the bike would feel silly
He could have dealt with this by simply saying nicely to the gentleman " I'm sorry but you need to let the barrier close, then you put your ticket in the machine there.".And then " If you're having trouble with your ticket or the machine I'm sure this nice security guard could help you" Then he could have simply turned to the security guard and said in a friendly manner that maybe the gentleman needs some help and that he wouldn't want anyone to think that they were together but trying to only pay for one of them to go through... I think BBB is right in that he did look shocked and maybe he's not from London, it could be his first time on the underground etc. or maybe not, who knows but it could have been handled in a much nicer way.
I believe in the original video the ticket gate "double beeped" to show the ticket wasn't valid. All in all, he shouldn't have tried to tailgate. If I feel I'm being tailgated, i step aside and ask them to go through first. That usually stops them.
Ok,if the guy had a valid ticket,why didn’t he put it in the machine in the first place?
Because you have to wait for the gates to close before you can insert your own ticket.
lazy, or just didn't want to wait.
Why would a cyclist be filming his pedestrian progress through a railway station unless he was looking for content like the rest of the scrotes who make a living seeking confrontation.
@@soupdragonuk there were other free machines available
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
A colleague of mine who was, let's just say, a rather scruffy dresser, used to commute long distance with me from Birmingham to London on first class. I used to get really irked at how many times archetypal 'businessmen' in suits would approach him to demand to see his ticket. He always refused to acquiesce on the grounds that it was none of their damn business and, let's face it, there was zero chance in an almost empty carriage that the train manager wasn't going to check it himself. Prejudice, for whatever reason, is a terrible scourge that still pervades this country and causes unnecessary grief, upset and aggravation. Let's be sure of our facts before making ourselves look like total idiots in front of an audience looking for something potentially viral to post to their social media accounts.
Not dressing smart isn't the same as behaving suspiciously though is it? You are comparing apples to oranges here.
I think this country's is remarkably tolerant.
@@EgoChipwho was acting suspiciously?
I once had a 1st class ticket, given to me as a present, when the guard approached me and told me it was a first class carriage and I'd have to move, before he even saw my ticket. To be fair, he was acutely embarrassed when I showed him the ticket, and at least the carriage was pretty empty so I hadn't been embarrassed as much as I might have been. I wasn't even scruffily dressed or dirty, just not expensively dressed.
I know the feeling. I once bought a 1st class ticket (mostly because, for some reason, it was only a couple of pounds more than a regular ticket), and I was dressed pretty normal: just some khaki trousers, sweater, and a winter jacket. I sat down and I was just minding my own business, playing on my phone with my headphones on, but I kept getting dirty looks from 3 people (who had direct line of sight to me) dressed in full suits. It felt really awkward the whole 2h ride, especially when everyone was ordering their complimentary breakfasts, then stared at me when it was my turn to order, and all I asked for was a some water lol
In reality we don’t know what the guy was up to. However the cyclist’s overreaction is obvious. His extremely aggressive attitude was not necessary but no surprise knowing how self obsessed so many cyclists are.
At my local station theres two barriers and a disable barrier. Everyone uses the disabled barrier. The guard often holds it open from the control panel to ease congestion. Ppl walk up with their ticket in hand, if you dont have a ticket visible they close the gates to check you. Its not a big deal.
Exactly... If he hasn't a valid ticket he'll be paying for the consequences... It appears this is the first time ever this cyclists has used the tube/train station! We live so fast...
“You don’t know who you’re fucking with” - if that’s not an overreaction…
Nope. We don't know
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
that's not only an overreaction but it is also a threat which could land him in a load of trouble. Especally seen he recorded himself making it so there is physical evidence of him making that threat.
@@jamesbillington3501 Because you have spoken, avoiding the fact that the lad was a criminal, it must be so. No, you can speak and waffle all you like to try and hide that the lad was a thief. The rebuke was justified, what followed was out of hand
@@dougaldouglas8842 where is your proof that this "lad" was a criminal?
I think after that rant you have lost the argument. You are making unfounded accusations and fail to allow yourself. to believe that you could have it wrong. You are claiming you know better than a barrister, a law professional, and that to me shows that you are just as narcissistic as the cyclist seems to be.
I have admitted that I could be wrong but I still believe that there are enough reasons to believe that this guy was a genuine paying customer and that they cyclist is just out of control.
You can't even see that you could possibly be wrong and so we can't trust your opinion because you clearly would say anything to vilify this person.
You have a good day now.
"you don't know who you're f%&£ing with"
Oh I dunno got a fair idea. Coco is it?
Probably related to Ronnie Pickering.
You really didn't listen did you? He was saying that NEXT guy he tailgates might not be as civilised.
@@waynegoldpig2220he wasn’t civilised in any way.
@@GwladYrHaf He was the EPITOME of civilised. In civilised society we expect people to PAY THEIR WAY. If people are allowing third world imports to fare-dodge and jump barriers it is not because they feel a sense of kinship and brotherly love. It is because they are AFRAID to object. Civilisation is the constraint of extreme violence. If you are unable to perform extreme violence in the pursuance of justice you are not civilised... You are just weak. Then there is the type of person who is violent but UNcivilised. The type of person WITHOUT constraint. This is the type that the person filming was warning the fare-dodger to be wary of in future.
@@waynegoldpig2220Guy wasn't really civil though. He swore nonstop, shouting the whole time, getting in the fare dodger's face and then warns him not to get close..? Lol civil my backside. He was in the right, but yeah I wouldn't call this a civil response at all
Well done bbb, you have stirred up the anticycling brigade,if you follow someone through a barrier without validating your ticket,you are commiting a criminal offence, wether you have a valid ticket or not, and why would he follow the cyclist through the most inconvenient barrier if not to avoid validating his ticket?also if as you say revealing his identity could cause the man to possibly lose his job then why did bbb not conceal his identity? Would the comments be the same if he had pushed through a normal barrier following someone without a bike?
i don't think BBB stirred up anti -cycling reaction. The man in the film did a perfectly good job of doing it on his own.
Undeniably! @@tomvalentine4928
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
I doubt that is true. It might be on your terms of conditions to get the ticket validated but unless you are committing fraud or similar its not going to be a crime. The whole situation just looked like stressed commuting syndrome
Well if cyclists weren't so far up their own arsed, paid road tax and insurance, they might be on the same level as the rest of us and have cause to complain
There are (at least) two other barriers available, and I counted 8 passengers pass straight through with their valid tickets. Why does this guy have to follow someone else so closely?
Sometimes the guards hold the disabled gate open to ease the flow,maybe this guy is on his regular commute and it's something that usually happens. The guards at my local station do this, and often open the gate for me when they see me approaching with my ticket in hand.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638 is that what I'm doing every time I walk up to the barriers with ticket in hand, and the guard holds it open for me, I'm trying to get a refund? Or is it just that it's my every day commute and the guards hold the gates open at busier times to ease congestion at the gates?
You 🤡🤡🤡🙈
@@stevenlarratt3638I can tell you have never used public transport
He appears to have musics and could just be in a bit of trance and going with the flow and simply just not paying attention. The angry guy seems like complete tosses and should have stayed working from home!
Perhaps he should have simply informed the security guard the other passenger was a potential fare dodger.
Cyclist should go away or less polite version of the term
He was clearly about to walk through the barriers without putting his ticket through the machine.
Yes, but there is nothing inherently wrong with that, it's common to pass through the disabled gate without putting the ticket through. While we can't be sure what his intentions were, let's not attribute malice without proof to the contrary, it's entirely possibly he was just listening to music on autopilot and went to pass through an open gate.
@@ryanmitcham5522 There is something inherently wrong with that in that it against the rules set down by the operating authority, just as passing through the disabled gate if you are not disabled without inserting your ticket is inherently wrong. Two inherent wrongs don't make an inherent right!
Nothing illegal about that as long as you do have a valid ticket that's all that matters.
@@richardsutton01 if you think that it is wrong because it is against the rules.... one on the stations that i use regularly will often, and I am talking about 90% of the time, leave the barriers open after 6pm and just assume that everyone passing through will have their tickets checked on the train. When the barriers are closed then they will. often open the barrier for you after checking your ticket instead of making you insert it especally if it is a disabled or elderly. person who seems to. be struggling to insert it.
So you are saying that the station, one of many I know that do this, is trying to entrap people by seeing who actually inserts/scans their ticket even when the barrier is open?
@@jamesbillington3501 It is not illegal .... but it is against TFL rules.
I don't know if this guy has a genuine valid ticket. But it would be so simple to demonstrate he has, he could just scan the ticket and get the barrier to open. Once open, were I ticket man, I'd tell bicycle man exactly where to go.
What’s the point of the Guard standing there and getting good pay and doing nothing to stop this from escalating
They're useless. A few weeks ago I was knocked over by two lads tailgating me and the staff didn't even break off their cosy chat to help me up let alone challenge the tailgaters
As a teenager I was falsely accused of not paying the right fare on a bus because my friends got off at the stop before the one I wanted. The bus driver was very rude and when he realised I had paid to the next stop didn’t bother to apologise either. People are very quick to think the worst. PEACE ;]
Look at the way he is holding the ticket as he shows it. As a security officer I would ask him to hand the ticket to me for inspection before accepting it. He covering important information with his thumb.
People who act dishonesty can be good actors. His reaction is suspicious to a trained and experienced security officer.
yep . made sure his thumb was covering the same bit, then held the ticket up in an unnatural cack handed way. Then walked away from the barrier, when the thing to do would be step back and open it with the ticket.
@@darrenelkins5923maybe he stepped back away because he didn't want to go through the barrier straight into the threatening cyclist 🤷♂️ He goes back to the barrier after the cyclist has moved away a bit.
other barriers were available
Yep I noticed the thumb too and looked like the info was fave down so he couldn't see it
He had a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
"One day you'll do that to someone really nasty..."
You might want to mark those words. Some day you'll take that lycra energy and push the wrong person, then find out what either that bike or tarmac tastes like.
Indeed something I thought as I watched that.
or indeed his comment may come back to haunt him if he punches someone
lets be honest if the bloke had been 6 foot and built like a tank james would of done nothing
@@steveaustin4118lol, I don't think any of us punch above our weight, we choose what battles to fight.
Would you tell a tattooed thug with arms as thick as your waist, not to smoke in public?
@@bertbox69 if you're not going to tell the tatooed thug then leave the little guy alone because now you're just virtue signaling
Lycra lout
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
Why did he not just put the ticket in, if it was valid, and go through the gate?
People do not have any common sense anymore!😃🇬🇧
it looked like he was about to. but would you if there was some guy the other site of that barrier who had already shoved you and was shouting, pointing and making threats? I would certainly wait and hope that the security officer, who he has shown his ticket to, would tell the cyclist to move on as that sort of behaviours isn't acceptable.
@@jamesbillington3501 Yes.
@@jamesbillington3501yes, use a different barrier and go about your business. There’s no need to stand there arguing with him when there are alternative barriers
@@jamesbillington3501 ni it does not at all. It looks like he was trying to tail gate. Even if he had a valid ticket, he could have been looking to save this for another exit at that station later the day or to cliam a refund for an unused ticket.
fair dodging or not the way he reacted was unacceptably agressive abusive. acting as if he would be charged double if the guy followed him through. from the guys accent he could easily have been a recently arrived forign tourist who was unsure of the rules and how petty some people can be about them.
not sure but are multi trip tickets available? - like a 10 trip ticket - following through and not having it registered would result in not using one of his prepaid journeys and be fair dodging while still having a ticket that could be valid if used.
train tickets are insanely overpriced in the UK compaired to most of europe where you will pay less than half the price for a cleaner, and more modern trains - train companies charge as much as they can get away with and people not paying would result in less excessive profits rather than higher prices for everyone else - if you could charge more they would already be doing it but blaming fair dodgers would be an easy excuse i they ever increase prices ( clearly not true though as its been used in the past and they never come back down after they clamp down and drastically reduse the problem) - just one of the examples of how privatisation created rip of britan
The cyclist is an absolute chopper, there was no need for his tantrum
I agree cyclists are tw@ts, but maybe he had just had enough of people sneaking through when he has to pay.
I don't go to London thankfully or use poor people's transport much if I can help it (too many plebs)😮 but I ask you, if you don't scan your ticket doesn't that mean you can use it again later? Of course once challenged you can then present a perfectly valid ticket and a vacuous, innocent face, honestly I can pull the most innocent face whatever I'm thinking!
Not saying our Barrister is a schmuck, but he seems to have bought the vacant face look without a question, I'm not so certain, but I'd say the 'look' is a red herring and beneath a barristers supposed intelligence.
Truth is we will never know for sure, but let's assume the bicyclist was trying to be a bit of a busybody and let's assume the pedestrian was just vacuous and innocent and leave it at that!
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@dougaldouglas8842 It make s you wonder if he is any good as a barrister as he appears to be so easily tricked and can't process what has happened right in front of his eyes.
@@jonjon738 I was wondering the same thing. The incident speaks for itself, even down to the cyclist rebuking what is clear as being a thief, the word rebuke comes into play, and perfectly used in this situation.
First guy scanned his tix , fella behind was obviously trying to get through. Common sense really wait your turn the confrontation wouldn’t have even started. Like driving a car no reason for people to be so up peoples backsides same with this - had he waited like a normal person , not been right behind him. Just wait not difficult.
What is unbeleviable is that the Barister running this channel believes the immigrant.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@dougaldouglas8842
Exactly
Based on the space invasion, my first thought was pickpocket, rather than fare dodger.
Yes agree
Bet you wouldn't have thought that if he was a white guy in a suit though.
@@redeyegooner Race card!.
@@maxbacon4828 what race am I?
@@redeyegooner Correct. White guy in a tracksuit though?, then yes I would. Stop trying to be offended.
What's it with cycling that attracts angry psycos who fly off the handle at the slightest thing?
It's the endorphins. Get us high as kite man.
@@Chigleybus but endorphins make you happy and care free, these people need some of that and aren't getting ot from cycling
This has nothing to do with having a valid ticket. When using these barriers you have stand back let one person thoruhg and then you go through. He could have easily pickpocketted the guy who recorded this video.
Agree
People literally treat each other like this and then put it on you tube...let it sink in😂
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight.
I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
The surprised is he got caught, The chap on the side, it IS his JOB to step forward, to look at the ticket of the guy in the white coat. No he was showing the ticket facing down wards. The regulations are the gate MUST close between each and every passenger. Plus as he is a single person, he is meant to go through the other barrier, this one is for wheelchairs, pushchairs, cycles.
James looks to be a bit bigger than the other guy, I wonder if the interaction would have gone differently if the short guy was 6'6?
Would have been interesting if it had been Martyn Ford behind him. 😂
James was clearly in the wrong and has left himself open to be sued what a clown deary me
I've watched this a few times. I could be wrong of course. But I personally think he was dodging a fare. @ 5:10 Just before he offers the ticket to the guard he initially holds it the right way up. But then when he actually offers it to the guard he turns them upside down so it's not easy to see the date on it. It's probably less comfortable to hold it this way than keeping it turned the right way when showing it. To me that suggests a deliberate intention to turn it over. Then instead of waiting for the guard to check it, he pulls it away to carry on with the conversation. We obviously don't see what happens when he later puts the ticket in the barrier but I suspect there was a good chance the ticket would not work. If I was in this situation, being accused but with a valid ticket then I would have simply put the ticket in the barrier and come through it, then asked the cyclist for an apology.
The security officer is seriously at fault because he was standing there doing nothing. The security officer should of told the cyclist to move on and asked the man to show his ticket. However,the cyclist should of went on, if that man was fair dodging his last stop will be in a prison cell when BTP.
Should have, not should of.
You can assault someone and not face jail so its hardly realistic to imply jail for fare dodging.
I dunno what the guy whose ticket was failing was doing BUT
Its clear from the video the bloke shouting at him was angry - fai enough - and agressive - That went over the top.
The 'You'll meet someone nastier than me?' Maybe. But he'd probably have to go a long way to do it.
security guy might be his mate!
@@TheOwlsarewatching606 What, because they are both Asian they must know each other?
@CushtyCrow that's what @Boudicca-the-musical already said
He was trying to sneak through though wasn't he. Justified.
You, like the cyclist, have made an assumption. Passing through behind somebody on that type of gate is normally quicker than pointlessly waiting for the gate to close, then reopening it again with your own ticket. Don't assume foul play without proof.
In any case, assaulting somebody for that is not justified, at all. I'm horrified your defending that.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other, both are ion the wrong. there's no real reason for the guy behind to be so close, at the point before he was pushed back he was literally straddling the back wheel of the bicycle. i believe it is more than reasonable for one to come to the conclusion of him either being a fair dodger or a possible pickpocket/mugger.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638 valid ticket or not though there wasn't IMO a valid reason for him to be helping himself to a piggyback ride on the guy's bicycle, just the fact of him getting so far up the guy's arse in front justifies the guy's physical reaction. He is either fare dodging or he is a pickpocket, only pickpockets and faredodgers would feel the need to get so unnecessarily close to some in that situation. either way both pickpockets and faredodgers are slimy scummy shitweasels.
i think the biggest scam putting the prices up is climate change and the war against Co2 and hydrocarbons. putting it simply Co2 is most definitely needed and hydrocarbons are not limited to dead dinosaurs under the sea.
That James chap really has to take a good look at his behaviour.he is a very shouty man . and he did accuse that man of not having a ticket.
Now would he of done the same if the person behind was white and female?
He also requires anger management.
He made a " non event" into an event.the guy was put back behind the barrier end of !
Great analysis.thank you.
and why on eather would a woman make any difference. It is just as acceptable to shout at women as at men or unwanted immigrants.
As someone who cycles, I consider the 'cyclist' is exceptionally over reactive.
I dunno....after a string of bad days travelling on late, full trains...I get pretty tetchy 😂
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@dougaldouglas8842 Whilst I agree that he looked surprised...I don't think it's because he thinks he had the right. It's what I would do as a kid, if I were caught in the act...go into instant denial and pretend to be in the right to see if it works.
@@dougaldouglas8842Are you the cyclist? I'm seeing your comment copied and pasted everywhere in this comment section 😂
I have often witnessed (over many years) the vulnerability of cyclists on busy roads and some of the dangerous and questionable driver antics they have to endure. However - this is the product of something more. There is a plague of cyclists who have developed a narcissistic vigilante complex / industry over social media. They have now got used to the likes and interactions their difficult existence presents and it has become a little grifter industry for them. It is now escalating to these frivolous and dangerous interactions in other areas.
Been a long time since I worked on the railway, but it used to be a bylaw offence to tailgate regardless if the passenger had a valid ticket or not. Things may have changed.
Either way, it's not of my concern to make sure people don't tailgate behind me.
I don't understand why he's bothering himself to do the security job.
@@puclopuclik4108 But when your tickets going up in price to cover those who don't pay (amongst many other things), you can get a bit anoyed at someone allegedly not paying.
@@puclopuclik4108come on if people get too close to you you will think pick pocket. Anytime I get too close to anyone with a bag oeioje will automatically look at their bag and you to see if anything happened I do it all the time.
@@hypergolic8468that really a vey small part of it most of the money is going to share holders and maybe some people are literally so broke and need to get somewhere. This is not why the tickets are expensive. They probably spend more on security than total fair evasion and I bet most people aren’t doing long journeys either..
@@puclopuclik4108 I do this all the time. I just stop half way through and make then reverse. No need to any aleadged push to the stomach. Just make a loud scene of things and most of these fare dodgers back off. Could have been handled more skillfully by the cyclist, especially as he had a large bike too, but we could all be acused of getting things wrong. Too much over sympathy for the immigrant.
He might have an 8 day season ticket that allows him to use any 8 days in a 31 day period, and simply trying to get through without using an activation for a day.... so could have a valid ticket, but trying not use it
I agree totally with your synopsis! It may be that the mild chap following got it in the neck as there may have been other cases where folks were genuinely fare dodging but as they say ...'dont tar everyone with the same brush'! Yes I agree with another comment he seems overly stressed, he needs to chill out
"Nest time it could be someone who is really nasty" Needs a reality check.
I feel like this man is venting out some anger for a different issue. Surely no one gets that angry about a ticket gate? Maybe he was having a bad morning or something.
He was knowingly going through a restricted / reserved gate. Nobody does this unless they are trying to pull a fast one. Sorry BBB but he knew exactly what he was doing.
Wrong. Everyone will use these gates, they're quicker and easier. The cyclist is an idiot and has a serious temper issue.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
@@stevenlarratt3638you literally don’t know how LU tickets work
IMO if you had a genuine ticket then you wouldn't attempt to speed through the barrier on someone else's.
He has a valid ticket, he is trying to not get any mark from the machine on it. He can then say he has not used that portion of the ticket and ask for a refund. Its a common scam. It puts everyones ticket costs up...
You could be rushing,
could be a bit of a mission taking the ticket out,
The cyclist has been caught liking some not very nice tweets. If you want to see have a look at the original tweet as people have been sharing images of this.
He's tailgating him - bang to rights - pretty sure tailgatings not allowed on the tube so it doesnt matter if he's got a ticket or not - he's wrong. You can argue the cyclist was a bit over the top but he had a guy right up his behind trying to tailgate so the lesson is don't do it.
"a bit"?
@@simongrushka983 Correct, we agree it was over the top but it looked like the guy behind him bumped into him - you think that's ok for someone to do that ?
@@tttt4029 I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight.
I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight.
I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
@@dougaldouglas8842 It's all very well you coming up with irrefutable evidence against the tailgater but have you any idea how hurt his feelings must have been when he was rebuked for being caught out 😁
My experience of cyclists is exactly like this foul mouthed chap. I think the cyclist could be guilty of defamation, having called the chap a thief.
Sadly, this is often true.
As a penalty I suggest such cyclists should have to ride their bike for a whole week with the pedal cranks set at 90 degrees apart.🤣
Sorry, looked like a failed attempt at a fare dodge to me and then the follow-on cover-up act with a valid ticket (yes) that now does have to have 1 journey deducted from it after all - cheaper than a fine!
Did the cyclist over react? Yes, probably, still, as he says he's fed up of this happening, so it is a real thing, did he jump to a premature conclusion? Maybe.
I can add that, in the past and when in a rush, I have ended up paying for the person in front of me when they tap, but it doesn't register, they move to the gate, leaving the sensor behind them which I automatically tap thinking they're moving through - so my tap opens the gate for him, only for it to close in my guts when I reach it. Was I assaulted by the gates which I had paid to open? Eitherway, not a comparable situation, Mr "new to London" showed no effort to use his ticket the 1st time around.
Just proif positive that our society is falling apart since we no longer share common values... I wonder why
Did the cyclist over react? NO I think he has come across this before,you do get mad when your paying for something and a robber tries to get away with it.
What part of trying to push in behind did you not see in this vid?
I was told by a Sicilian that there’s a common saying that they have there,that roughly translates to “keep five hands space from my arse, if you please”. As an ex-catholic school boy I thoroughly agree with him, trying to dodge the ticket machine or not why couldn’t he wait his turn? I’d say the guy was too close behind him and the film certainly doesn’t show him waiting for the barrier to close. Would you want your wife to go through with him squeezing in behind her? Of course not.
This could’ve escalated badly , instead of getting his knickers in a twist and kicking off like that , the cyclist should’ve just referred the matter to the security guard and moved on
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
@@dougaldouglas8842 I understand these fare dodgers piss off the rest of us who pay our way but I just think the cyclist should’ve played things a bit cooler
You never know who you’re dealing with in these situations so I think it’s best not to go in all guns blazing and risk a serious physical altercation
@@liveloud9894 He was right to rebuke the lad, and if more people were man enough to rebuke these people the better we would be. We, in general have become to scared of our own shadows. God help us if ever we went to war.
@@dougaldouglas8842 I’m not saying this behaviour should be allowed to go unchallenged but the cyclist reaction was wrong
A firm , calm approach would’ve been better not childish screaming and swearing
@@liveloud9894 So, Mr Know It All, you would have acted differently because words are cheap. Reality is that you would do the same, if not worse.
The cyclist was right. Do not agree with his last words, and were out of order, but what he started off with, the rebuke, was correct.
Picking on peasants for petty crime. Great 👍 white collar crime has never been more rampant in this country and this is what you guys are doing bravo 👏 judiciary in this country is not quite where America is but almost.
I think it is an over reaction, but, if he has a valid ticket and doesn't validate it then does the same at the other end of his journey he could get the ticket refunded or use it to make another journey.
Hi Daniel, I do agree with what you say that it doesn't look like he is guilty. My thought on it though is this. To me the cyclist seems like he is looking for the confrontation, it would have been less agressive if he had just asked the security guard to deal with it as that is why the guard is there. If he had done that though he probably wouldn't have had an interesting video to post.
That cyclist seems like a very angry man
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
Seems like a case of someone getting self-righteous, likely cause they're in a bad mood, then realising they probably made a mistake in real time and doubling and tripling down.
Could be a live action performance art for Internet dialogue. They should play it in the Tate.
How silly. He’s an obvious fair dodger!
“Genuinely surprised”!!!! Of course he is! He will have done this many times in the past. He obviously picked the turnstile with the guy cyclist as it would be the easiest to dodge through. The guy’s a scumbag and I’m with the cyclist on this one.
And another thing. Surely he has to dodge the exit barrier at the destination as well, otherwise he could get charged the maximum daily fair for some transit systems.
Sir, would appreciate your thoughts on this incident…
Walking down to my local Sainsburys and have had to stop a couple of times for the Phone Zombies (head down, no idea who's around them)… I clapped my gloved hands three or four times at a woman advancing in this manner to make her to look up which she did, and then had an ‘Excuse me!!!’ reaction from her from behind… Apparently I am rude for not wishing to constantly have to stop for mobile phone morons…
She claimed she wasn't going to walk into me, despite having headphones in (“but the music wasn't on”) and that I shouldn't be doing something that might threaten young girls - I made the observation that she wasn't so young - which was also categorised as ‘Rude’!
I put my elbows out when it comes to people trying to barge me out the way now…
Mr B it looks dodgy to me, I would never do that to someone invading their space to save a few seconds, plus we don't actually see him going through the gate. 🤔
Yeh, looks like he was just doing what was easiest by following through after the cyclists. The cyclist was really aggressive though.
The immigrant was agressive back and he started it by getting too close.
Agreed@@VS-xb1jg
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
This is a big one. I’m sticking with he’s a jumper. Brazen 💯%.
Maybe the ticket was a dud, and he was dodging using his Oyster card? D
@@derekowens1817 we will never know lol
@@LoftechUK very true. They get you all excited, then you never get the full story.....
Even if he had a valid ticket it could be he wanted to keep it for a second bite of the apple. You wait until till the gate closes behind the passenger in front of you and put your ticket in to reopen it.
That’s not how tickets work
@@TheJase8566 Some do. For example with an anytime return ticket you have to use the outward ticket within 5 days and the return ticket within 1 month. So there’s an opportunity do use the same ticket multiple times if you can sneak through the barriers without actually using your ticket.
@@TheJase8566 Most do, and almost all do that say "Route: Any Permitted" (Which the vast majority of underground tickets do)
@@nocommentuk false. You would have to jump the barriers on both ends for that to work.
@@SuperAd1980 the machine eats the ticket on exit, even if you didn’t put it through the machine on entry.
The only way your Muskesque masterful gambit would work is if you jumped the barrier on both ends.
I’m from Sydney Australia. But from what I know the law in England only requires you to have a valid ticket for travel. It doesn’t require you to put it into a ticket machine for validation. Thus, unless the ticket that person had and presented was invalid, he had every right to do what he did, in a way. The “loose threads” question is, was the ticket valid? We may never know…… But people out there “don’t get all up in someone’s grill” like that in any situation. There’s some people out there that value their personal space. There’s some people who have a Real problem with it. And those people can react like that cyclist did ( I know he was talking about fare evasion but there maybe more to this confrontation than meets our eyes here. Just hypothetically saying the following. The cyclist may have PTSD or he may have lashed out due to ethnic reasons. Don’t know. It’s just a wild thought) ….. Once more and again I’m just saying this. Give People Space in the future. It just may save you from a situation like the one depicted here…….. ⚛️☮️🌏
Looks like fare dodging to me....
I agree. No attempt the first time to use his ticket. And yes, he was surprised because he's never been called out on it before.
Thanks for the comment Daniel as always!... In my opinion... probably a professional dodger, body language says he does it all day, looking the lost offended little boy. I have been on the end of it many times when living in the UK. All the guy had to do was to put his ticket through the machine. If he was genuine, he would have not had to push his way through directly behind the first man. Its a normal day to day experience and part of life, however unfortunate we hay find it. Like me, the first guy who had a rant at the second guy probably has had enough of what life throws at him.
There should be a million more men just like him in this country
I think you're right in your analysis of what's going on here. I also think that the cyclist has jumped to a conclusion on this occasion. Probably because he's had fare dodgers following him through the barriers ad nauseum. The guy with the ticket looks genuinely confused
I wonder if there is a legal aspect to putting the ticket through the machine? The ticket must be coded after going through the machine to show that the traveller has used the correct route, between the correct times. Do you think failure to have the ticket correctly read and re-coded for onward travel might constitute at least a breach of condition of use or worse breach of contract or fare-dodging in itself?
Reminded me of that film 'Falling Down'
Just wait till the cyclist finds a bag!
His filming his commute for likes tells me enough, the edits out him coming through after no doubt.
@integer25964 I took a look at the post he has a twitter full of him kicking off at people, complaining about people or things in the cycle lane and so on.
He's a road cyclist many have cameras on their person for safety and reporting any driver issues.
Is it me or has the cyclist chap already deleted his account on Twitter?
Cyclist sounds like another Jeremy Vine. I don't think the other guy was fare dodging because he was prepared to go through the barrier right infront of the security guard, who, you think, would ask to see his valid ticket, having not put it in the machine
Looks like an overreaction to me, the guy was daydreaming by the looks of it and just not thinking, the cyclist acted on impulse, he shouldn't have posted the video, surely he watched it again after the event..... or he posted it for the views.
As others have said there was no valid reason for chap behind to use that gate when there was one with no queue right next to him. He was holding the ticket in a peculiar way, covering part of it with his thumb. The look of shock on his face is a good bit of acting as I see it. Tried it on and got caught out!
I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight
The CPS says "An assault is any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence."
*pointing* "Don't come so close to me. You don't know who you're fucking with. Next time it's going to be someone who is *really* nasty."
This implies that the speaker believes he himself to be a certain degree of "nasty".
The cyclist could have simply deffered this to the guard standing next to him, who had the authority to check the ticket. The cyclist had no reason to use force. He wasn't defending his own safety, he just wanted to play at security.
The ticket still has to be incerted in the machine to open those barriers,the ticket will DEDUCT down the use and registar it on that card,card probibly has been paid for with so many uses of the barriers.the fare dodging was going to happen by NOT using the machine.It was not over reaction because that guy was trying NOT to use his ticket.That guy who went through the barriers was in the right stopping that fare dodger because he does NOT uses his card in the maching.That guy could show a million tickets that still means nothing,tickets NEED to go into the machine to deduct how many times it will open those barriers.More better comments below which works out that fare dodger should face justice.
not really. this is simple train ticket similar to flight ticket. Once you pay for it, you get ticket with informations of the destination, date and time.
Yes really,that ticket has to be used in the machine which opens those barriers,NO swiping machine available either,This was not a one off time I believe,that ticket would not work those barriers because it had run out of use. That guy who stopped him trying it on Knew how people get through barriers without having a ticket.that bloke who was caughtout should face justice.@@puclopuclik4108
He also had his thumb covering information on the ticket whilst showing it to the security guard.
Exactly! I have seen this many times. The surprise upon the face was because he genuinely believes he has the right to not pay the fair and as such has the right to push another person in order to get through the barrier. These people actually, again, believe that they have the right not to pay.
The man did right in rebuking the one who pushed him, and I would have repremanded the fair dodger, who probably picked up a ticket or used a ticket that was out of date. He cover part of the ticket, instead of putting it in the machine. If it had been a valid ticket he would have simply placed it in the machine. Crafty begger.
No genuine ticket. Where is the evidence of a genuine ticket? Also take into account that the barrier that was used was for cyclists and disabled person with working dogs. To the right is the exit machine he should have used, but avoided using it because that barrier closes too quickly. Some barrister that does not go by the evidence that is in plain sight.
I see that the woke brigade are on here seeking to jusfify what is clearly a criminal matter. Typical day we live in and the woke brigade are always the ones who get irrate when they are found out doing wrong, and when someone else, of their own sort, like this thief, is caught.
Looks like fare dodging to me. If his ticket was valid, why didn't he go through the gate using his own ticket like everyone else? I would have been just as annoyed if someone tailgated me. The rail companies recover the cost of fare dodging in their pricing strategy. Why should my ticket be more expensive because someone else doesn't want to pay? And if the tailgater thinks he's been assaulted, he obviously hasn't been properly assaulted before.
Yip sure is
"...why didn't he go through the gate using his own ticket like everyone else?" Looks like you weren't watching the video. BBB said that he may have just been trying to save time, happens all the time. If you get annoyed with people 'tailgating' you in this situation then maybe that is your problem. I agree with you that fare dodging affects all the rest of us, but the evidence of this video - in fact the whole reason for this video - was to show that it is unlikely the man was fare dodging in the first place. So again, did you even watch the video? As for your final comment... that says much more about you than anyone portrayed in the video.
@@TukikoTroy get a free ride
Daniel,
Good morning.
Based upon the limited information I conclude the Cyclist was making a mountain over a mole hill.
The fact was he displayed aggression, he could, if he believed the fair dodger was real, he should have asked the security man to check.
Best
Imagine going to an interview and being recognised from this video
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The presence of the bike is irrelevant.
It would very much annoy me as well if someone tried to squeeze through the barrier behind me.
Having said that.
Question.
Are tickets invalidated when they pass through the reader so that they can't be used again?
If so I can see a reason for trying to squeeze through on the cyclist's ticket. So that he can use it again.
Which would be ticket fraud.
It is assault because its not the cyclist job to check tickets or police the train station. Especially as there is a guard *right there.*
I really wish the second guy had just said "can you get out of the way, Im trying to go past" as soon as the idiot cyclist had started shouting
Question 1, would he have acted like that if the other man was white?
Question 2, would he have acted like that if the other man was bigger?
Definitely an over reaction, how many times have you followed like a zombie when queuing for a turnstile, I've done it and so has my wife and daughter, a simple sorry and say I was in a world of my own is normally enough.
His account is no longer active on X
He was ghosting whitch puts a definite reason not to trust him. Behaviour was bellow average unfortunately