@joecab1 I think that's Arnold Stang voicing Wolfie in this cartoon. You can hear similarities to his Top Cat voice. And it sounds like Blackie was voiced by Gilbert Mack, who voiced "Billy the Kid" in "The Hungry Goat".
@@bobbybickert I think you're right on both. Y'know I thought those were the guys too but silly me looked on iMDb first and of course they got it all wrong. Next time I go with my gut.
@@joecab1 iMDb isn't always accurate. They credit the voice on the record in the Donald Duck cartoon "Sharp Shooters" to Billy Bletcher. But it's obviously Paul Frees. There's no mistaking that distinctive voice.
@@bobbybickert Yeah sometimes I just forget. They also for the longest time had Sid raymond as the voice of Little John in the Popeye short Robin Hood-Winked.
@@joecab1 I just (re)watched "A Lamb in a Jam" and "Sheep Shape". "A Lamb in a Jam" still sounds like Arnold Stang as Wolfie and Gilbert Mack as Blackie. "Sheep Shape" sounds like Syd Raymond as Wolfie and Gilbert Mack as Blackie. (Except when Blackie is in drag. Maybe that's Mae Questel?) So I think Arnold Stang only voiced Blackie in "Much Ado About Mutton" and the Screen Song "The Circus Comes To Clown" (which has a very morbid ending for a cartoon about the circus).
Because of the Paramount takeover of Fleischer Studios in1942, people have automatically dismissed the output of Famous Studios without actually seeing them. Their impressions are of the post World War period 1949 to 1953 where the Popeye cartoons got into a mundane formula. First, it is not realized that what was becoming Famous Studios was already in place starting in 1941 during the last Fleischer contract. By that time, the supervision of the short cartoons was largely in the hands of Seymour Kneitel, Izzy Sparber, and Dan Gordon. The final transition in mid 1942 is indistinguishable because they were already in place to produce the cartoons, and it is at point that their names appear on the screen as Directors. Famous Studios was at its zenith by 1944. The fact that the names of Max and Dave Fleischer are no longer in the credits seems to influence this rejection due to the sentiment attached to their past achievements. So dismissing the cartoons for this reason is not an entirely fair appraisal, since the cartoons prove otherwise. NO MUTTON FER NUTTIN' was like a Tex Avery cartoon and the first of the Noveltoon series. And while there is no director's credit, the influence of Dan Gordon still comes through. One thing that I am aware of that no one else brings up is the areas of economizing in production. There is more animating on "twos" where possible. But this was starting to happen under Fleischer Studios in 1940 as well. I do see the affect of a reduced staff of Assistant Animators to tighten the drawings as with the Fleischer Studios. Instead, much of the animation at times wiggles on the outer edges of the figures where it should be solid. This can be due to the Animator's drawings being inked from the roughs which could have inconsistencies.
4:51 It seems like Blackie's dialogue part "well" is now intact. Most other copies of that were cut from the soundtrack's 16mm NTA print, where colors have less details and is faded to red.
@CJODell12 At least some of the recording must have been done in New York, unless Arnold Stang was in Miami at the time. (He must have been in Hollywood at some part around this time because he has a small part as a room service clerk in the Bob Hope picture They Got Me Covered, which was released in 1943.)
@@bobbybickertFamous’s Miami produced cartoons used Western Electric for sound recording, the ones made in New York mostly used RCA for sound recording
When did the trope of a wolf wearing suspenders (often only one), patched pants and a hat originate? Is it based on anything prior like a stock vaudeville character?
My guess is that the Big Bad Wolf in the Disney adaptation of the Three Little Pigs-specifically, the 1933 version-wears everything you mentioned, except for the suspenders (since he wears two). This must have left an impression on other studios, because most of the other wolves in their cartoons-including this one-begin to dress similarly.
@ChristopherSobieniak Oh grow up cartoons have more depths now than before. Bad guys vs goods guys or whatever those boring overdone black and white morality the stifles any creativity within art.
@@TheloniousCube that's just nihilism. Saying it doesn't matter is not saying anything at all. And cartoon morality does matter. The morals in our media teach us how to interpret and respond to situations around us, they teach us what values are most important, and cartoons are watched by kids, so these are the morals being taught to our kids.
@@kevinmccabe7263 It's not nihilism to say that black and white morality is an oversimplification, that we can trust people (even kids) to understand nuance and not be forced into artificially restrictive categories. Far from saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying that you are doing mankind a disservice by dumbing things down and implying there are easy answers.
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Not bad for Famous Studios; thanks for uploading it!
Boy done great work here! I wasn’t expecting that this cartoon is early enough that we didn’t get the usual Sid Raymond Wolfie voice.
@joecab1 I think that's Arnold Stang voicing Wolfie in this cartoon. You can hear similarities to his Top Cat voice. And it sounds like Blackie was voiced by Gilbert Mack, who voiced "Billy the Kid" in "The Hungry Goat".
@@bobbybickert I think you're right on both. Y'know I thought those were the guys too but silly me looked on iMDb first and of course they got it all wrong. Next time I go with my gut.
@@joecab1 iMDb isn't always accurate. They credit the voice on the record in the Donald Duck cartoon "Sharp Shooters" to Billy Bletcher. But it's obviously Paul Frees. There's no mistaking that distinctive voice.
@@bobbybickert Yeah sometimes I just forget. They also for the longest time had Sid raymond as the voice of Little John in the Popeye short Robin Hood-Winked.
@@joecab1 I just (re)watched "A Lamb in a Jam" and "Sheep Shape". "A Lamb in a Jam" still sounds like Arnold Stang as Wolfie and Gilbert Mack as Blackie. "Sheep Shape" sounds like Syd Raymond as Wolfie and Gilbert Mack as Blackie. (Except when Blackie is in drag. Maybe that's Mae Questel?) So I think Arnold Stang only voiced Blackie in "Much Ado About Mutton" and the Screen Song "The Circus Comes To Clown" (which has a very morbid ending for a cartoon about the circus).
The cartoon will be included on Paramount+ in the future.
Wow, thanks for uploading this!
Thank you for sharing!
Because of the Paramount takeover of Fleischer Studios in1942, people have automatically dismissed the output of Famous Studios without actually seeing them. Their impressions are of the post World War period 1949 to 1953 where the Popeye cartoons got into a mundane formula. First, it is not realized that what was becoming Famous Studios was already in place starting in 1941 during the last Fleischer contract. By that time, the supervision of the short cartoons was largely in the hands of Seymour Kneitel, Izzy Sparber, and Dan Gordon. The final transition in mid 1942 is indistinguishable because they were already in place to produce the cartoons, and it is at point that their names appear on the screen as Directors.
Famous Studios was at its zenith by 1944. The fact that the names of Max and Dave Fleischer are no longer in the credits seems to influence this rejection due to the sentiment attached to their past achievements. So dismissing the cartoons for this reason is not an entirely fair appraisal, since the cartoons prove otherwise. NO MUTTON FER NUTTIN' was like a Tex Avery cartoon and the first of the Noveltoon series. And while there is no director's credit, the influence of Dan Gordon still comes through.
One thing that I am aware of that no one else brings up is the areas of economizing in production. There is more animating on "twos" where possible. But this was starting to happen under Fleischer Studios in 1940 as well. I do see the affect of a reduced staff of Assistant Animators to tighten the drawings as with the Fleischer Studios. Instead, much of the animation at times wiggles on the outer edges of the figures where it should be solid. This can be due to the Animator's drawings being inked from the roughs which could have inconsistencies.
4:51 It seems like Blackie's dialogue part "well" is now intact. Most other copies of that were cut from the soundtrack's 16mm NTA print, where colors have less details and is faded to red.
On November 26, 1943, this cartoon was released and Her Honor the Mare, featuring Popeye and his nephews, was released on the same day.
Finally a high quality print of this cartoon!! Thanks a lot for sharing this :)
One of the only Noveltoons to be at least partially produced in Miami.
@CJODell12 At least some of the recording must have been done in New York, unless Arnold Stang was in Miami at the time. (He must have been in Hollywood at some part around this time because he has a small part as a room service clerk in the Bob Hope picture They Got Me Covered, which was released in 1943.)
@@bobbybickertFamous’s Miami produced cartoons used Western Electric for sound recording, the ones made in New York mostly used RCA for sound recording
I hope boomerang or metv can air paramount cartoons from 40s we need paramount cartoons to be restored
Here's hoping for MeTv
Looks like "Are you kiddin'?" didn't quite catch on the way "What's up, doc?" did.
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When did the trope of a wolf wearing suspenders (often only one), patched pants and a hat originate?
Is it based on anything prior like a stock vaudeville character?
My guess is that the Big Bad Wolf in the Disney adaptation of the Three Little Pigs-specifically, the 1933 version-wears everything you mentioned, except for the suspenders (since he wears two). This must have left an impression on other studios, because most of the other wolves in their cartoons-including this one-begin to dress similarly.
@@kidanehdh8127 I wondered if that was it or if it predated the Disney version
@@TheloniousCube It could be the former, but I don't recall any cartoons before the Disney version where any wolves wear these sorts of clothes.
were the rest of the opening titles missing from the print - or was this an editing mistake?
The titles are missing.
it was indeed mentioned in the original listing
Directed by an uncredited Dan Gordon
Gordon was fired from Famous Studios shortly before this cartoon was released.
Imagine having stories today where the themes are "crime doesn't pay" and "nothing is free"...what a world
@ChristopherSobieniak Oh grow up cartoons have more depths now than before. Bad guys vs goods guys or whatever those boring overdone black and white morality the stifles any creativity within art.
@@MIC2077 grow up is not an argument, it's just a childish insult. And I would prefer morality over unlimited artistic creativity.
@@kevinmccabe7263 As if you made an argument in the first place!
Cartoon morality is just that - a cartoon.
@@TheloniousCube that's just nihilism. Saying it doesn't matter is not saying anything at all. And cartoon morality does matter. The morals in our media teach us how to interpret and respond to situations around us, they teach us what values are most important, and cartoons are watched by kids, so these are the morals being taught to our kids.
@@kevinmccabe7263 It's not nihilism to say that black and white morality is an oversimplification, that we can trust people (even kids) to understand nuance and not be forced into artificially restrictive categories. Far from saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying that you are doing mankind a disservice by dumbing things down and implying there are easy answers.