Emergency MEDEVAC after Cave Dive
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Here's the full story of what happened during our December 2023 Cave Diving trip to Abaco.
We share in great detail what happened after the dive and also what happened after we called @DiversAlertNetworkTV to request Emergency Assistance.
Yes, it is a long video, but we believe sharing these details can save lives in the future. Here's a breakdown of the discussion:
Intro and getting to Abaco: 01:15
First Dive: 06:20
DCS Symptoms start: 19:48
Woody goes unconscious: 34:38
We call DAN: 46:22
Paying for MEDEVAC: 01:03:10
Public Hospital in Nassau: 01:13:04
Private Hospital in Nassau: 01:17:55
Aftermath: 01:24:36
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All BS aside, this went from a fun channel to listen to, to a channel that will literally have an impact on a large company that will likely result in life saving changes. Remarkable.
That’s our goal with this story. We hope that no one has to go through what we went through.
I LUV you guys. Thai Cave is how I found and got into you. HAVE to say, Woody CLEARLY has an ongoing dehydration issue (and his paleness, gaunt, always cold). Covid/vaccine spikes dehydration in some. Thyroid is related in women. Supplements can do it in men. Alcohol. Marijuana. Chemicals/hormones in foods. I HOPE he gets to the root cause ASAP and makes whatever adjustments to his diet/supplements/meds/lifestyle that fit for him sap. Dehydration - when pushed past max - can then lead to a psiral of nasty, including emergencies with heart, eyes, teeth, breathing, lymph nodes, skin, fatigue.. I cannot event take OTC meds or drink much coffee or sleep meds without serious endangerment. Now I go for a iodized salty clear chicken or carrot broth vs any meds. I adjusted re what dehydrates me, I do'n't take any meds and haven't had an incident in 5 years and now know how to deal if I do . God Bless.
Yes, it was DCS but it was triggered by Woody's ongoing dehydration issue, IMO., which I hope he gets to the hottom of and adjusts his day to day routine accordingly and per what works for him. We all have unique chemistry. See my other comment. Btw, Woody is here because of BRIAN. Ftr.
It's possible a nice iodized salted water-based chicken broth and some apple juice and carbonated water could have set you straight. Dehydration is a core root cause.
That's good. The internet is global, if we can use this story to save lives across the world it will be awe-inspiring.
I was a scuba diving instructor in Greece on an island in 2018 and got a severe neuro DCS in August with loss of consciousnesses under water. I had max level of DAN insurance. When I was transported back on shore and on O2, my fellow instructors and myself were trying to organize transport to a chamber. 1st thing we did is we called DAN. We spend more than 2 hours on the phone with them and got absolutely no help from them. They didn’t even know where was the closest chamber in Greece and wouldn’t acknowledge I had DCS. After getting angry with them, I finally organized everything on my own with my own money (boat, ambulance and chamber). 2 weeks later after I was fine (3 days of chamber, 5 days hospital) I called DAN again to get a reimbursement of expenses and again they didn’t helped at all, didn’t participate in anything (gear recovery, transport, medical bills). Since then I never ever recommended DAN to any student or divers.
This needs to be higher up the comments as it reinforces their story.
I am glad you are fine. But so sorry that it was all made much more stressful for you and everyone else involved because of a scummy insurance company. It's a pity it is so expensive/difficult/lengthy to sue them because it would force them to live up to their contract and deter them from continuing this practice of coverage denial.
They didn't reimburse you or help you in any way because you don't have a RUclips channel with a large audience! And you don't have Doug as your buddy. It's sad. I hope DiveTalks experience changes things for regular people like you in the future.
Shocking 😮
This might be worth an email to the CEO.
Sounds like DAN is a secretly a scam rather than insurance.
Only reason DAN is reaching out to DIVE TALK and taking this “ Seriously “ is to avoid possible lawsuit and membership cancellation. They know how connected DIVE TALK is with other high profile divers and don’t want cancelations. Typically insurance company, pay for years but when you need they they do everything not to pay. So glad you’re okay Woody and I also only use AMEX.
I think it's better to save money for emergency and have an insurance just for cover the hospital things and also surch for the basic rules of healthcare in the country where you are going to dive.
@@gabrielagabi787 Yes. Sounds like this specialist insurance is a scam.
I would sue them and expose them regardless to save the private divers who do not have such a network or even social media presence heartache and money.
I just made a similar comment. 100% agree.
Probably better to save that money and build good credit to get an AMEX instead of DAN
Gus: He has severe DCS symptoms since his dive
Doctor: He has severe neuro DCS and needs emergency treatment
DAN: Lets wait for the autopsy report before we do anything rash
It definitely had an impact on his cognitive ability if he thinks the CEO actually intends to change the way they operate, lol. I'm sure they'll pay him back, but they're not restructuring the entire company over this. If he's lucky, they might put a note on his file that tells the person dealing with him in the future they can cover anything. Everybody else is still gonna get treated the same.
DAN obviously means Dishonest Asholes Network
Boycott this company
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Ehh not if they want to stay a non bankrupt company @@Breadbored.
@@BIGxPAPAxRYAN You'll have to elaborate, because there's allllll kinds of successful companies that don't restructure how they operate because a guy with a youtube channel had a negative experience with them. Insurance companies are particularly notorious for how callous they are to customers simple due to the nature of the service they offer.
Maybe there's something I'm not aware of about this particular company though, so by all means, let me know what I'm missing.
@@BIGxPAPAxRYANA Company Is Ran To Maximize Profits. So Whatever Way That Company Currently Is Running Is Where They Profit The Most. So No Chance Of Restructure. But There Will Be ALOT Of Empty Promises.
Gus is such a blessing. Not only because obviously he cares for Woody and did everything he could to help him, but also because of his sense of humor. People who can joke and laugh and find humor in the scariest situations are great to have around. They keep a perspective that people don't realize they need in those moments. Woody: "I was just resting." Gus: "In peace?" 🤣 This is just a blessing. Thank you Gus for being you.
Made me laugh
Buddy system goes beyond books...
I had the exact same issue with DAN in December when I had DCS Type-2 and had zero support from DAN. I had to drive almost 6 hrs from Mariana, FL to Orlando,FL to admit myself in a hospital, and go to a chamber. I watched this episode and I saw myself in the same position as Woody in beginning of December.
Did you get any money back from DAN?
@@SamiJuntunen1they covered the expenses, but it was on me to drive 6hrs.
Did they cover those costs right away, or only reimbursed later after you had to initially come up with the money yourself? Woody keeps promoting AMEX, but most average people don't have a $30,000 credit line to be able to cover those kinds of costs, and would still be stuck, even with AMEX.
@@amr5427Amex will go above and beyond in an emergency. It's part of their marketing for otherwise pretty expensive cards to carry
@@amr5427I wonder if he had a much lower line and amex extended it? But even still, I'd imagine you'd have to have a certain level of membership, ie. Platinum to be granted the emergency line.
I cannot believe DAN has never had to deal with a member needing immediate access to a chamber.
I'm wondering if there are any people out there who had this type of experience, but couldn't get to the money in time before passing. We'd be interested in hearing you guys interview anyone who's had a bad experience with DAN now. They sound like a scam tbh.
You know how insurance companies are, they will do whatever they can to keep from having to pay out on claims.
@@mayflower5193 I agree. Just from the comments it seems like this is not at all isolated.
It's probably a large combination of things. Location, date/time, etc.
Requiring the form to be completed was pretty damn absurd though. They should have most if not ALL of that information on file already. If it's an emergency have a few check boxes to confirm they understand the form and a signature box.
@@mayflower5193really makes me wonder if DAN has ever been involved in lawsuits over something like this.
Not a diver but I am a nurse and now work for one of those lovely recorded line nursing jobs and have been loving the channel for a few months.
This is absolutely baffling to me and insane. I did labor and delivery for years. We don’t say “when was the last time you ate” when someone is bleeding out or I can see the baby’s head, we can get the paperwork done later.
Half of those fields shouldn’t be mandatory. If they require them, that needs to be an onboarding form that they require upon paying for the service.
Also the fact that they offered you a seat at a table discussion with transcripts is insane. That shows they know they didn’t handle this appropriately.
I absolutely hate that this happened to you woody, and you too Gus because being the one thats level headed in a crisis is hard. I sincerely hope that change occurs after this and that you pursue it until it does. This may and hopefully will be a life impacting change for so many. Just by being aware but also potential policy changes.
So glad you’re doing better now and I would love more information once there is transcripts and meetings.
I’d also be super interested in talks about how dehydration on a long dive can cause this to occur. I knew the stops and blend of gas went into it but I didn’t realize hydration was also a factor.
Also a nurse as well. The other thing that sticks out to me (provided I interpreted the story right) is how underprepared it seemed the ETC team was to handle things. Changes in level of consciousness, profuse sweating, inability to regulate thermodynamic-wise… especially if he was getting hypotension. Start a line and get some maintenance fluids or boluses depending on vitals.
I also wonder, in addition to having DAN being able to act under the assessment of a physician in the future, if instead of filling out forms, could patients/representatives authorize charting information to be shared/faxed to DAN? For something that is a trauma or injury call, along with physician charting, these are a lot of documents that could help after the fact as well. Maybe there’s too much HIPAA/legal hurdles to follow for that.
All in all, DAN should, if anything needs “clearance”, develop a protocol where any physician can look at a checklist and say “Patient exhibits X Y Z”. They “score” the checklist and it gets referred directly back to DAN to determine fit to fly for inpatient settings. Takes all of 2 minutes. The provider is going to be your be-all-end-all assessment anyway.
Also a rapid protocol for calls from the field would be appropriate. Clinical presentation of DCS sounds like a standard that can be relatively simple to identify, and a quick “checklist” or set of questions to ask could be made by people who understand the science and could narrow down symptoms quickly - do you need to void, are you cold, etc.
It’s basically the ABCDEF trauma checklist but for DCS protocol. Give it to your phone operators at DAN or allow them to fax/send it to a provider if it’s inpatient and it will take them 2 minutes to determine if criteria is met with appropriate assessment and questioning. At maximum, immediate medivac; at minimum, more monitoring for additional symptoms with a checklist of things to look out for.
You can tell the paperwork was meant to deny care, not support it. It's written in the past tense as if it's follow up post-stabilization care. It has commercial flight and medical right next to each other.
It doesn't matter if you're "fit to fly" when in a medical jet - the fact that you're not fit is pretty much a given. Also cabin pressure is basically a hyperbolic chamber. There's going to be structural limits, but the pilots have manual control over when and how pressurized the cabin gets. You can fly at close to ground pressure pretty easily, and having a delared emergency gives you full discretion over and above any air traffic control wishes. Vectors, height, speed, and runway access. As a pilot, you just advise them what you need and are going to be doing. You can even land on military runways. I honestly would have tried going that route. A US Naval hospital specifically.
@@NoahBHS11 you can tell no one that’s ever worked bedside or in an emergency came up with these forms. I’ve never done ED But we have triage protocols in place for the pregnant ladies. They clearly need to work on this or have a form that can be cleared for the treating physician to fill out and fax.
It’s kind of appearing to me that they’re advertising as “we will take care of you” implying in the moment but in reality they just cover costs. Which is fine for some people but that’s not what you need/expect in that moment
I'm just imagining when I had to go to the hospital for broken ribs (one scratched my lung but thankfully wasn't punctured), as I'm being wheeled into the operating room for them to be screwed together a nurse walking along side the stretcher looking at me and asking, "so when did these symptoms start?" 🤣🤣
DAN DOESN’T CARE to fix their forms and procedures. It’s obviously designed to NOT payout benefits, as we can see from all the other stories of divers being denied coverage (even as they were dying)
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I think the round table discussion with DAN’s CEO should be filmed and posted. As a policy holder, I want to know what DAN is doing to fix this. I believe they owe all their members an explanation for what happened. Not only was DAN unhelpful, they actively made a dangerous situation worse!!
They have acted as any other insurance company not tkaing into account any actual diver health considerations - than why DAN? So much demage to reputation.
so he can corporate speech and CON more people into it?
Agreed
And they (Dive Talk) should have a lawyer there too.
@@pedrojustice Con people into it? They covered 100% of the claim saving Woody at least $70,000 of credit card dept at 20% interest, that's not bad for what $70 a year?
This company has clearly done this to other people. Woody has connections and has a social media following which I believe is the only reason he got a reimbursement. The CEO of DAN responding and setting up a meeting is simply damage control so his company doesn’t tank (no pun intended) or get hit with a massive lawsuit. I can’t even imagine how many others have had to endure this horrible treatment from this insurance company, and shudder to imagine how many have gotten permanent neurological damage or died due to DAN’s actions and inactions.
I think the same
Other people didn’t live to tell the tale or had a social media platform to tell it. Think of he did have to stuff with him or he lose his card etc he would have been dead.
That is the scary thing, graves stones do not speak! No doubt standard operating procedure from DAN, very likely there are other horror stories out there.
The fact that DAN wanted to debate/refute Woody had DCS at all vs stage II with neuro complications is the scariest of all.
Classic insurance company behavior. Deny deny deny, to maximize profit.
DAN is just upset that they got called out on their shitty behavior by people with a large enough audience to make a dent in their bottom line.
The best American Express ad I’ve ever seen, consider me sold haha
Woody: "I'm just resting" Gus: "In peace??" lol this had me cackling like a witch 😂
That got me dying hahaha it’s great they can both have a laugh about it!
Same lolololol
I laughed so hard at that part that my husband came into our bedroom to see what was going on 😂🤣
xD
Same Lol … he has perfect timed whit!
DAN left you for dead. Absolute disgrace.
You guys did a phenomenal job. You took matters into your own hands to stay alive. Well done gentlemen.
Just goes to show how important the right friends, knowledge and financial resources are. Life saving
I'm wondering how many divers either 1) died or 2) have permanent damage today because of DAN.
This is absurd. We're glad you're still with us Woody and IMMENSE respect to everyone who took care of you.
It's not just DAN. It's every insurance company in America. They experienced poor people problems, seriously.
That is the one question on my mind the whole time!!
@@amusedBYfoolsthat’s exactly right and Woody knows that. His rich person solution is the only thing that saved him.
@@scjohnk...in the form of credit card access.
@@betsybarnicle8016 Yes. The majority of people do not have access to a Platinum Amex.
Man, this Dan guy sounds like a real piece of work.
👏🏼
The American Express guy is a champ on the other hand
DAN is a major league Dishonest Ashole
Boycott him now
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Woody walked through blood and bone the streets of Abaco looking for a hyperbolic chamber.
Yea who does this Dan guy think he is.
Absolutely shocking! I am a DAN (Europe) member for 30 years, luckily never needed their emergency support. I always thought I would be well covered. Well, not anymore. This is a scandal!
DAN Europe is REALLY good though. I wouldn´t trust a Credit Card company with my life lol
@@remcovanhal6336it’s your only choice nowadays especially if you live in USA.
Careful, Divetalk speak about dan US that is ... US :D Europe is very different.
@@MaximeCheminadeReally? How so? Can US residents join the EU branch if it's better? Thanks
@@remcovanhal6336 How do you know its good in europe?
Next week on Mr.Ballen: "The diver with extreme DCS who was saved by American Express." Crazy story Woody, glad you made it! #divetalk#AmericanExpress
In 2 weeks on Dive Talk: "Reacting to Mr.Ballen's reaction"
Hahaha we love Mr.Ballen btw .
Mr Ballen now has a channel where he covers medical cases and mishaps.
As the mum of a dive instructor - we pay the maximum membership charge for DAN to ensure that in the event of something like this happening to our son he never finds himself in woodys position - before this video I felt reassured that he would be safe - woody & gus thanks god bringing this to my attention so that I can seek further reassurance for Dan that my son will be covered - it’s a really important issue and what you are doing in bringing it to the light is critical for so many divers - even dive shops
Also my son needs to find a way to up grade his Amex to platinum lol 😂 take care
DAN can just lie to you
I'm a DAN member and have been for probably more than 2 decades. My dad grew up diving in Cat Island with his buddy and buddy's father. They always had an emergency plan to fly the plane at about 75 ft to get someone to the tank in Nassau if they got bent.
This video matters. These improvements you guys can empower the organization to make (I'm being VERY generous to DAN here) can and will save lives.
I'm shocked at how much red tape was on the emergency phone call and, as someone who relies on this network to ensure my safety, my family's safety, and my friend's safety - this must be fixed immediately.
I would put more significant faith in Amex Platinum concierge to get me to a deco chamber and pending your next video I will consider canceling my DAN membership.
Edit: finished the video. Wow... Amex did save you. Amex concierge got a water ambulance to extract my grandpa from a remote island to his doctors in Palm Beach when we thought he had a stroke. I'm not wasting time calling DAN if I have an emergency. I'm calling Amex until I hear some real improvements.
So happy you are okay Woody.
That "I'm resting." "Like in peace?" Part had me rolling on the floor laughing.
thats power of money.
And I believe that 20 years ago, they may have emegency EVAC and planes and other stuff ready to go. Nowdays? I highly doubt so. Let it be a reality check, maybe the insurance isnt worth it anymore
But, you still need your DAN insurance to get a refund for the AMEX charge like Woody✅
@gabriellafox7948
Yes, this is true. Although I am not calling them at any point in an emergency situation. My main takeaway here is that DAN got involved by calling people along the way and making it clear DAN won't pay which delayed critical care. Fortunately it didn't kill Woody.
@pedrojustice
Probably. It's sad if it's been hijacked by greed and turned into a private money printer.
As a diver who has for the last 8 years paid DAN religiously since I started my diving journey, thinking they would bail me out in case I EVER had an emergency, this is REALLY scary. My DAN membership renews this month, now I don't know what to do, carry on with coverage or do something else.....I want to keep diving but is DAN not worth the paper it's printed on? I will be watching this closely.....thank you for being COMPLETELY transparent. Woody I am glad you are okay! Gus thanks for being there to take care of him in his time of need along with the others. We have to look out for our fellow divers/buddies out there.
I would just wait until their video about their talks with them come out. I cannot see this going any way but change for the better though, it would be really fucking dumb to pull this on these 2, go through everything they are to remedy the situation and then not change anything.
@@youtubeSuckssNowDon't worry they will have lots of resources to handle _this_ case so it looks everything will be fine. Damage control is cheaper than actually fixing the complete scam.
@@SamiJuntunen1 yeah but the Dive Talk platform could seriously hurt their business if they don't actually do something.
The fact they need you to fill out forms before they want to help is crazy no other health insurance company operates like this in a percieved emergency.
@@DisheveledHuman it's dumb that they don't make them fill them out when they get coverage so they are immediately on hand. In their system
On August 24, 2022, I was going to dive in Turkey. In a relatively remote dive location. Jumped out of the boat with my equipment, to dive.. and my knee just popped off (Patella dislocation). Had to have a MEDEVAC, so the Coast Guard came immediately within the hour, and in three hours, I was discharged from the hospital, and it cost me absolutely nothing. $0. Forget about the US, healthcare sucks in the entire Americas. They would rather let you die than help you. Thats why I never go out to anywhere no mater to Walgreens or to Maldives without my Amex Platinum card. I am happy that you didn't die, Woody.
This might be the best ad for American Express I've ever seen 😂
This video really resonated with me. A few years ago I had a friend who had type 2 DCS, it was a bad hit. We got him to the chamber within less than 30 minutes of surfacing and they wouldn’t admit him in the chamber until 3 hours later just because they needed to wait on approvals from DAN
That is shocking
Jesus H Christ 😮
Is he ok now?
That’s insane…
Absolutely speechless!!!! I am also a DAN member and it’s absolutely terrifying to think that they are not properly helping! This should never ever happen to anyone who chooses them as their insurance and trusts them to keep them save….
I am so so glad you are okay Woody! Absolutely terrifying and scary but I am so happy to see you healthy and back with Gus ❤ i cannot wait to see those transcripts and learn how the conversation with DAN went!
That is a glowing assessment of American Express with regard to customer service. Outstanding!
I shared this with my dive professionals group. I have always operated on the assumption that DAN was easy, quick and thoroughly stress free... I know of several of our divers with good DAN experiences. I hope this serves to bring that back. And so glad you made it out safely, Woody. Thank God Gus was able to assist you. American Express should make you a custom pink Card for sure.
Do you know if that’s in the US? I imagine it would be a lot harder to coordinate with outside networks like in this case. If they were diving in florida and DAN has all their contracts in the US, it would probably be a very simple conversation to get woody the help he needed.
@@ThatGuy-nv7cx In the US he may not even need to use DAN if he has normal health insurance otherwise. Many standard plans include some degree of travel within the US as covered.
@@ThatGuy-nv7cxthe DAN insurance is U.S. based, but has always been known for being accepted worldwide. I guess that may have changed. Perhaps they have had better partnerships in the past. Otherwise, it seems the issues may well be administrative and procedural. DAN is primarily funding research and has facilities for that based in North Carolina. I believe at Duke University if my recollection is correct. I'm pretty sure they are still a non-profit organization. They might be paying another company to help run the paperwork side. I noticed an AIG label on one of the forms presented. AIG is perhaps implementing procedures and methods that conflict with DANs original intent. I look forward to part 2. A lot of these questions will likely be answered.
living in Montreal DAN doesn't insure us at all no matter what. On the other hand i had a mountain bike accident in the US in 2018 that required transport by ambulance and hospital care. I took the phone call my insurance it was sort out like in 30 seconds ! Total bill for 8 hours at the hospital with the ambulance was about 3000$ us, didn't had to pay anything before or after. Not sure if my insurance will cover me for diving accident, i doubt it ? One thing for sure i am on my own cause anyway like i said i am not eligible for DAN.
@@samtempleton2652 Usually it'd be run by a normal insurance company or companies, to specifications provided by DAN when they arranged the coverage options. So when a claim comes in, the people at the insurance company pull up the plan details and follow those guidelines for what to cover. It'd be kind of surprising if DAN had actually set up an entire insurance provider.
This is a chilling video - I will certainly be reflecting on my DAN cover for future dives. I only hope DAN learn from and make significant changes, and I hope that the lessons are passed across to their global operations so the likes of us in Europe, Asia etc.. can all benefit from. What's the point in paying for cover if that cover is going to be refused when you actually DEPEND on it to save your life? absolutely disgusting that a company would so brazenly risk your life on the off-chance you were filing a false claim (which btw they could even chase you up for subsequently).
DAN need to change their policies right now: pay now, assume the victim is right, and ask questions later. Your customers lives literally depend on it.
This is what insurance companies do, they will happily take your premiums but the second you need them to pay it’s over
It's even worse when you're trans and arguing with them about HRT. Like, they'll pay for an antidepressant no problem, but even though there is a huge improvement in mental health on HRT, they still argue every. single. time.
@@NonSimonary I might be happier if I had huge tits, doesn't mean an insurance company should pay for it.
@@NonSimonary good, freak
@@RatKingTerry I’m sorry your life is so miserable that you have to go around and insult strangers online in order to feel better about yourself. Just as your existence does in the world, your comment added nothing of value to the conversation. So I’ll give you some advice- if you don’t have anything nice (or useful) to say, then don’t say it at all. Because, to everyone else who sees this comment thread, you just look like a sad, angry, pathetic, asshole. Be better.
So I was a level 1 Trauma nurse in Florida and I have been following you’re page for a very long time. Our hospital is hyperbaric certified due to where we are located in Florida and knowing how critical it is in minutes to get treated. Also having knowledge in today’s healthcare system (I currently speak at DC for better healthcare) I was in tears. I’ve seen patients stop or not get treatment due to $ and it’s absolutely disgusting. The fact that we pay insurance companies to cover us in these situations and then when we are in need we have to jump through hoops or go into debt to be able to even receive the benefits. I pray DAN goes through all of their policies and procedures, reviews all of their contracts (word for word, because I’ve never heard of a company paying for the chamber but not the admission, that is almost criminal) . And I hope they make major changes for their members who deserve the best care. Woody I’m so glad you are ok. Gus you did everything right and fought for Woody 110%. To American Express (which I’m a loyal member) thank you for saving a life! I have heard of them doing things like this before and it’s absolutely outstanding. I look forward to seeing the follow up on this. Ty for sharing. I’d be interested to know also are their call centers level one trauma trained and certified nurses and medics and a physician?
Would I be right in assuming that the hyperbaric treatment is considered essential emergency care in the US? So, if they'd flown into Miami with a declared medical emergency, and got an ambulance from the tarmac - it would have ended with him being in a chamber as fast as possible and later billed exorbitantly, but alive?
This is very interesting. DAN in reality is fallible despite the perception that they are infallible. This story is good for you, DAN, the dive community, and DAN members like me (preferred). DAN needs a reboot apparently. Sounds like a typical insurance company not the gold standard they’d have you believe.
The forms for employer, insurance, and all that info should be filled out when you purchase DAN! It's absolutely insane that they would expect someone to fill that out during an emergency, that's not being fallible, that's pure incompetence.
Dan insurance sounds like you pay for it first and then mabey you will get reimbursed
Sounds like any insurance company basically. Hope they make some changes. If DAN were to make any slip ups with any customers, I’d say dive talk would be one of the ones you don’t want to make a mistake on. Imagine if this happened to a non popular RUclipsr, would DAN respond the same way and strive to make changes? I don’t think so, but we’ll never know.
@@FerociousPancake888 even if they do make changes I wouldn't trust them. They've been taking people's money without being able to do what they were hired to do. If I was a diver and had DAN I'd also have a backup plan or two.
@@FerociousPancake888my thoughts exactly. I’d probably be 💀.
First of all, we are happy that Woody has recovered well. Our group of 8 hobby divers are insured with DAN. It really shocked me, and none of us have American credit cards, so I'm going to ask DAN Europe a few questions. Kind regards from Breda the Netherlands.And of course all the best for 2024.
I think many members of the dive community will reconsider their DAN insurance for 2024 if they don’t make this right… so sad even companies like this get greedy when lives are at stake. So glad you’re safe Woody!!!
It didn’t seem greedy to me. To me, it seemed like they didn’t have very many contracts outside of the US and didn’t have a policy in place to deal with those issues. Obviously you can’t have contracts with every single major hospital in every country, but there should have been a protocol for handling situations like that. It seemed like the people there were trying to do their jobs too well instead of just saying, someone’s life is at risk, let’s cut the red tape bs and get them the help they need.
@@ThatGuy-nv7cxwhat contracts? Lol the us dollar works everywhere. Also if they dont have the means to operate outside the us, their insurance SHOULDN'T cover it! I was a defense contractor. I had personal us insurance, which isnt really needed as id pretty much always be treated by us military medics/doctors while overseas. But when i was traveling or in places the military didn't operate, i had special international insurance that literally covered me in every country except north korea, and cuba.
If this same thing happened to a non popular RUclipsr or anyone else, would DAN strive to make it right? There is no answer obviously but it’s something to think on.
@ThatGuy-nv7cx you know that dan doesn't need contacts with every single hospital and health provider right? Like at any point dan could have whiped out the credit card and paid for a flight out? You shouldn't need a contact the only reason they do is to save a couple bucks and increase their bottom line its pure greed and you defending them is shameful
They can’t make it right. They almost killed a man. They are grossly misrepresenting their service/ability. Paying later does not fix their falsified air regulations, misdiagnosis, etc. I’m sure they get panicked calls from non-emergencies, so I empathize with their challenge, but they have failed us all.
This story needs to be shared and liked at all costs
I'm a veterinarian who has worked emergency medicine and this is ridiculous! Even with the majority of ANIMAL medical insurance, we (the hospital) call and get immediate authorization for life-saving treatment. No forms to fill out, nothing. They authorize payment over the phone based on approximate costs and the vet's recommendation. I have put patients on ventilators, been able to call in our neurosurgeon or emergency surgeon for severe traumas within minutes to an hour of emergency patients coming in. This kind of emergency set up is designed to prevent the insurance company having to pay out, not to protect people. That's horrible and I'm so sorry, Woody, that you had to go through that.
“In peace?” Had me dead. I am so happy you are okay. I definitely will be staying updated on this. It’s extremely sad they would not help you in such an emergency. Also, to see all the hoops you had to jump through!
All seriousness aside though, I guess we now know that you are not part fish, Woody! Much love to you guys. I love watching your channel❤️ you both brighten life and I just love your friendship and your personalities. I’m happy I get to continue watching because you are BOTH okay.
Thank God you're ok, Woody. I had chills listening to you frantically trying card after card in a bid to survive. I'm close to tears. This is horrendous to listen to. I don't want to even try to imagine what it was like to experience it. This should have never happened. You're incredibly brave to share your trauma so that other people will not suffer this nightmare. Your videos mean so much to so many of us, and I'm truly grateful that you lived to see the new year. Gus, you are a true friend and brother. You set an example I hope I can emulate. The support network you all have is outstanding.
I hope justice is served, and that their protocol is torn apart and rewritten by true experts in your field.
I cannot say it any better than Ann Marie. I am eager to hear the resolution. Best wishes always.
Thank you ❤ just what i thought, but my english is not that good.
So glad Woody is fine and had a true friend by hhs side❤
Healthcare should be a human right, especially in emergencies. Worry about the bill later. So glad you are ok Woody, thanks for sharing!
It can't be a human right. To have a right to healthcare is the same as having the right to another person labour. You are not entitled to their labour, they provide it willingly in exchange for payment. If you cannot pay, then you expect them to work for free? Is that not slavery?
@@jamesball7381 If you think providing care for injured people is slavery you are indeed a sad, lost soul. I wish you clarity and peace
@@jamesball7381 if i were to break my arm or leg while skating here in germany, the most worry i would have is missing dinner at home and not being bankrupted by a hospital that can just charge me whatever they feel like. But for some reason, some americans like you think that private and exploitive healthcare is a good thing.
After hearing Woody was so out of it, and you had to fill out forms to get emergency care is a crazy way to start the New Year. I am a nurse with Johns Hopkins the bureaucratic BS is enough to make you vomit. Woody and & Gus Happy New Year!
Bureaucratic BS can be an issue. But in an emergency, in America, hospitals will take care of the patients first and figure out the payments layer, even if it is an arm and a leg. I'm sure Johns Hopkins is no different. As a Hopkins alumni, they were top notch whenever I had to deal with them.
Given the Maya Kowalski case, the name John Hopkins is now complete poo.
Plus they lied repeatedly in court and are now trying to persecute (demanding his and his wife's phone's, computers, to be allowed to cross examine him on the stand) a juror (with no basis) who is a former law enforcement officer. Literally deterring anyone from being a juror ever. Just because they rightfully lost the case.
A truly dreadful institution.
@@tingkka I am convinced we can go to certain our neighborhoods and ask around if in their experience hospitals will only look at the bills afterwards or up front..
@@tingkkaonly to the point of stabilization. After the person is stabilized they have no duty to continue care.
@@tingkka and then they'll charge you for the ambulance ride 🤡🤡
First, glad you are okay Woody. What a crazy scary story. Shocking to hear how DAN treated you. I too am a Guardian member and had always heard that DAN was great. I guess I believed the same BS everyone else has read in Alert Diver about how great DAN is. It goes to show that they are just a regular insurance company that cares more about money than actually the lives of divers. So sad and I hope this video goes viral and things change. Also a silly follow on thought - I guess you aren't an octopus 😂
You barely made it brother. I’d be extremely angry if it were me to say the least. Thankfully you’re here with that wonderful smile Woody. What a story and one I can’t wait to hear the rest of. Hopefully this never happens to any Diver again and policy changes are made. Life is precious and priority number one, full stop.
I was riveted by the events that too place. I am so happy Woody was ok and the necessary changes are coming to help save lives.keep up the great job guys.
Hi guys,
first of all I’m glad to hear, that everyone of you survived this adventure without any lasting medical issues!
As a physician I was shocked about your story and the reaction of DAN. This should never ever happen again!! Even if it’s not a clear DCS (as the DAN employee stated) - even though it was (you don't have to ask a specialist) - it doesn't matter. They had to bring you to the hyperbaric chamber as fast as possible, and then they could discuss the costs afterwards.
But besides this DAN-disaster I have to ask, why Woody was not transferred immediately from the dive spot to the hospital, because he showed the first symptoms right there? Breathing O2 on the way back, suggests that he recognised the symptoms as not normal and you are all experienced divers…
Now I’m looking forward to hear more about this story.
Happy new year and all the best for you!
From this story I was kind of surprised too that they didn't take Woody to hospital immidiatly. But I'm not blaming anyone as I was not there and don't know how Woody was actually acting, perhaps he seemed well despite how he was feeling because seems his friends didn't immidiatly understand his condition. I'm blaming the byrocracy and hospitals who want to see your money first or they let you die though, that's just ridiculous.
I was surprised by this also. My guess is because Woody kept stating he was fine and hiding his symptoms they didn't fully realize what was going on until he seized. Can't really blame Woody as he wasn't in a state of mind where he was able to understand what was wrong.
Woody, I love that you kept saying "im not accusing anybody, im simply asking the question of why?" Seriously, WHY would anybody have to go through this life threatening garbage presented by a DIVING INSURANCE AGENCY? If you buy insurance, you should have insurance... Your insurance agency shouldn't be playing a part in potentially killing you. Thank you for presenting this story the way you did.
THANK THE UNIVERSE Woody has such wonderful friends (and American Express) that were able to advocate for his SURVIVAL, so glad everyone made it out ALIVE.
DAN needs to cultivate resources with these remote dive venues and improve their ability to navigate local medical facilities.
You’d think, knowing how remote lots of these dive sites are, that they’d already have procedures for that in place. Not just for places and services they have a contract with. Clearly not. Clearly they need to also get rid of the bureaucratic BS too (like what the actual hell is having to sign all those forms when you’re barely conscious?). It’s insurance to cover diving which if you have an accident with can get really bad really quickly, surely a lot of calls to them would be emergencies? Anyone who wasn’t Woody with that specific credit card would have died.
It also may just be me but it’s terrifying to think that you need to have a payment go through BEFORE they can treat you. What if you’re fully unconscious? You’re on a time crunch for severe situation, a delay could mean death. It’s bizarre they can’t wait until after for the money.
@@KleioChronicles This is pretty much par for the course. Hospital’s and access to care is no longer benevolent if it has ever been
@@KleioChronicles That's why you should research any country you visit, how their medical care works, and have the resources to cover an emergency such as a high credit limit card. Of course, DAN should have covered this immediately, but also what if there was a non-dive related emergency? US healthcare has many problems, but at least there, anyone in an ED is entitled to treatment prioritized by severity, even if they don't have a cent. You might pay a smaller amount if you're poor, or get bankrupt if your too rich to be poor and too poor to be rich (and have assets like a house or bank account), but at least you live and deal with financial BS after the fact.
What an absolute nightmare!!!! Let’s hope this results in HUGE changes!!! So grateful you did not die during the drama wait! Awful!!!
Glad that you are safe, seeing that first video was really something. After hearing what DAN had to say makes me reconsidered a membership. If it's so hard to get help when your a influencer with over 300k followers and knowing personally someone that is a consultant for their own insurance, just imagine how different this would of gone if you're a normal person with a emergency.
I'm beyond elated you're alive and well, Woody. Like many viewers, I'm not a diver, but I am an avid thru-hiker and mediocre mountaineer who does the vast majority of my trips solo and I have insurance through a GPS company in the event something goes wrong. Your story has me doing some more research, as I don't have a card like yours. The love of adventure and the desire to see the most difficult to reach places comes with many risks, if somebody promises to take care of you they should hold up their end of the bargain. Thank you, Gus, for being a brilliant, incredible friend for your willingness to face blood, vomit and lost dives to help your brother.
It's neat you exist.
IMO hiking is not the same situation. I also have an sos device and plan through them for such situations but the main purpose of those plans is to rescue you when you do not have any other means to call for help (like being on the top of a mountain in the backcountry), hence the gps device uses satellite and not a cell network. The gps device will send out an sos signal so that the company will immediately form a plan and find a way to dispatch a rescue team to your location, whether or not they can make contact with you. They basically are working without information and without your cooperation, because you are likely unable to assist them in assisting you. When those people got killed by that grizzly in the Rockies, the parks rangers said they had received a call from the gps company alerting them to someone in need of rescue. The terrain is just so difficult, they couldn’t reach them in time. A credit card is useless in that situation. If you do have cell service, you can call 911 who will patch you over to search and rescue. In most jurisdictions, search and rescue do not charge to rescue. However, search and rescue will be limited by what equipment that local team has access to; some have more experience and resources than others. Where the credit card could come into play is once you are actually rescued and maybe you need medical attention, but you ultimately still need that gps insurance to get physically evacuated from the mountain to the hospital in the first place. I am also a diver and I see this diving situation closer to a travel insurance problem, where the insurance fails to come through in a medical emergency. For the credit card, you can just call them and ask them to increase your limit. You don’t need a platinum card, they will do it on a no annual fee card if you have a good credit history.
I am glad you are safe Woody!
Long post alert…
Boy, there’s a lot to unpack here. First off, I am so happy Woody made it and is on the mend! What a scary situation.
I am a newly certified diver (AOW with 28 dives). I am also a physician with some extensive training and experience in wilderness medicine, some of this pertaining to the subject matter of dive medicine. I think there is so much for new and experienced divers to learn and discuss about this situation. I am so glad that you are bringing some light to the DAN situation and hope that their processes can become easier for all. But there is so much more here.
I do have a question that appears to be aggressive and suggestive, but it is not meant to be. I am honestly interested in hearing the discussion around my question. Why was there a delay? As a new diver who is a physician, I would have taken you to definitive care the second you required Oxygen. Is it common for experienced divers who have DCS symptoms to take some oxygen and wait it out? I think a discussion regarding what are recommended practices and what happens culturally with experts like you all would benefit so many.
I can speak with authority and say the top priority is always the care of the patient. That goes for the DAN representatives, to the doctor is Abaco, and the public and private hospitals. Just because you can’t “see” the emergency, like trauma patients, doesn’t mean there isn’t one there. The “paperwork”, and even the payment, can be figured out later. The patient’s life comes first! I was so frustrated while listening to the story unfold
I would also love to have/hear a discussion regarding the appropriate planning, and contingency planing, for a dive trip. It should be more than just dive gear and I believe it would be different for different dives and scenarios. It think it is especially important when diving outside the US. Where is the closest chamber? How would we get there? Whose going to do what? Do we have the appropriate communication tools? Etc…Tons of teaching points here. (Disclaimer-I have not had time to watch the Planning for Abaco video yet.)
Last thing…I think the world dive agencies need to spend some time developing processes and educational materials for these well known dive destinations with regards to identifying, triaging, treating, and transporting dive injuries. It seems to me that the clinic in Abaco would have an SOP for when someone like Woody shows up. Now…I know it’s not the US in most cases, but these dive destination communities have a responsibility to to the divers who are bringing tourist dollars to the area. Additionally, I think the international dive agencies, who collect dues from everyone, should play a role.
Bottom line is that I am so happy Woody is ok and I am grateful that you have been so generous to share this story. Thank God for Gus and Brian who were able to watch over you and advocate for you! I think there is way more to do with this learning experience than simply getting the attention of DAN. I think there is 3-4 more episodes out of this!?!? I know that I am a newbie diver and there are certainly more experienced divers and physicians who can comment (uh Doug), but would welcome further communications/discussions if you so desire. Can’t wait to sit back and watch and learn. Keep healing Woody!
This is an awesome post. We will address so much of this in part 2. Thank you , best post yet! So well said and caring and logically questions. All have answers and will be addressed in part 2.
We are scheduled to meet with the DAN ceo at DAN on February 10th. Then we will report part 2 and address all this and more.
Gus & Woody
When they were describing the immediate symptoms upon returning to the surface it sounded a lot like an experience I had after a dive. I had also been diving while not drinking enough water and was abnormally tired and had a bad headache. It was nowhere near as bad as what happened to Woody though, I didn't need to breathe oxygen or anything like that. After re hydrating I was fine.
My guess is that as much as we try to categorize DCS as different levels its a sliding scale and most experienced divers have had similar experiences and he thought he was gonna be okay with a bit of rest this time as well. My experience level is similar to yours though, so take it for what it is; a guess.
Asks a lot of questions I also have. In addition, as there is no ILS at the airport, what other treatment would be possible if MEDEVAC was not possible due to weather? There is not even a one man chamber available in Abaco?
Then, Im a little concerned that Woody seems to intend to over hydrate in the future. There is some correlation between over hydration and Immersion Pulmonary Oedema (IPO) - have you considered this?
Stay safe.
I hate to say it, but your response to Woody's behavior for hours was as if he was just drunk at a frat party. You're experienced divers with an ex Navy guy, why wait so long to seek medical attention? Is this where I resort to the explanation of the male stereotype of I'm ok nothing is wrong and I can handle it?
Hi Gus and Woody, I don't think you'll ever see my comment. Nevertheless, I wanted to give my deepest thanks to the both of you for inspiring me to go on my first scuba dive. It was an awesome experience and now I'm saving up for further training and more certifications. I had the best and most relaxing time under the water despite having trouble with maintaining my trim and bouyancy. Regardless, I will keep diving because you inspire me guys. Thank you so so so much and I hope you have a great 2024. Someday I'll save up enough money to go diving with you guys in Florida or anywhere else in the world. :)
So glad you're okay Woody!!! So scary :(
Happy new year's Gus and Woody and everyone else!Good to see you doing well Woody,such a crazy story to hear.
Happy New Years 🎉
All I can say is “WOW”! WOODY GOD BLESS YOU. Your story will save lives in the future. This is part of your legacy for diver community.
I have never been more disappointed than I am right now with DAN. I seriously hope that they DO make staggering improvements across the board, because no one should have been treated this way. They’re supposed to be the best of the best… I don’t understand how this critical failure happened.
Wait... did I just watch an Ad? 🤣Love you guys, keep up the good spirit!
i can only wonder what DAN's response would have been like if you didn't have this platform to talk about this incident
I was on a dive trip, our boat capsized and all my gear was lost. I also have the best DAN insurance, called them and they told me my incident was not dive related and blew me off. I am actually terrified to have a dive accident and have to rely on DAN. Scary
Crazy how life works. Nice work staying alive. I had a life flight last year that saved my life. It was a short helicopter ride, less than an hour, in Washinton State. $60,000. Thankfully, my insurance paid for it. My hospitals bills were over 2 million dollars. Thankfully, I just had to pay my $2000 yearly out of pocket deductible. I do pay $1900 a month for these benifts. Love your show. I did confined space rescue for many years in the fire service and I am a diver but never been interested in combining the two. Stay safe.
So glad Woody is alright. I actually went diving in the French Polynesia over Christmas break and some of them were over 100ft deep. I had recently gotten my advanced open water but had not run into feeling narcd.
I felt it for the first time in the middle of a dive with strong current. The only reason I was able to remain calm and take the proper safety precautions was thanks to you guys and your videos. I very clearly remember hearing you guys talk about feeling narcd and how to alleviate the symptoms and in that moment I had enough clarity to safely ascend and get myself under control and keep with my buddy and group. Thank you so much for all you do you! I’m sure hundreds if not thousands can point to you guys as a reason they remained calm in a stressful dive situation.
On dives 100ft+ if I have an emergency air pony bottle on me I'll take a couple breaths off it to remind myself the feeling of narcosis before swapping back to my gas mix. In case I'm ever in a situation where I get unknowingly narc'ed, I can recognize it immediately and respond.
Glad you survived Woody, I absolutely despise insurers. A system that puts the health of the payer at odds with the bottom line of the insurer is guaranteed to cause awful situations.
I haven't even watched the video yet. I just want to say that, after the thumbnail, the feeling of relief I felt as I saw Woody's face smiling cannot be overstated. And now that everything is ok, I go watch video : )
Best AmEx ad.
This is the most intense AMEX ad I have ever seen
It sounds like you're really going to get into the weeds on this and I'm greatly encouraging you guys to do so, this is information that I really really want, the intricacies and way it all happened, I'm wholly behind you in delving deeply into this. I'm so happy that Woody is ok and feeling good. Gus did fantastic and so did Brian. I don't want to hate on DAN and this could be a very good thing for the Dive community. Really looking forward to this, take up this mantle because you guys can be this really positive change.
Above all I'm thankful Woody didn't experience any lasting effects.
I’m so glad you’re ok Woody. Big props to Gus for doing everything he did.
So when you hear people say money is the big issue with healthcare…this is what they mean.
They’ll let you die if they aren’t sure they’ll get paid. This IS American Healthcare in 2024
"....IN PEACE??" Best thing ever said by Gus. Ever😂😂😂❤
Guys, I am so sorry that you had to go through such a horrific and terrifying ordeal. Woody, so glad you are still here with us, and so glad you and Gus can use your advocacy to prevent this from ever happening to anyone else. And God bless Amex for doing the right thing instead of the corporate thing.
lol, amex are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They can see that he's good for it and so it was approved.
Speechless!! So glad you’re doing well!!! I’m doing some deep research on this situation!!
This video is going to save lives! Has DAN never dealt with an emergency before? Or did they just never care about all these problems until someone with a large platform faced a near-death experience? It’s infuriating to listen to this!
This same situation has happened to others who paid and trusted DAN. Some of them are telling their own stories here in the comments. So it seems they've been dumping people off to deal with saving their own lives for a while. It's such a shame.
Absolutely terrible, imagine the number of people out there who didn’t have 30k- What happened to them… Neurological damage’s and lasting symptoms, and very likely some loss of life full stop. So now if you wanna deep dive, you better have a very large savings account!!
I am glad they did this video. It’s rare to get detailed first hand recounts of an accident from multiple perspectives, and in such casual openness.
That being said, I have heard and read success stories and people’s rescued by DAN as well. So the scary thing now is that there will be some new divers who watch this video and decide to get regular travel insurance instead of DAN, then find out their dives aren’t covered when they need to do a claim. Or worse still, they don’t get insured at all.
I am so happy to hear that you guys are holding DAN , or more specfically, an insurance company accountable. I worked in health care for over 10 years and short story I could just go on and on about the state of health care and insurance conpanies as well.
I met a guy 5 days ago while my husband was in ICU (diabetic ketoacidosis) who knows you guys. Idk how we got on the subject of Dive Talk but hes a fella from New York I mentioned I dont dive but I LOVE hearing your stories and he was like, wow I know them. Said how and all but I cant recall at all. Too much was going on in my head that moment to recall. He said yall are the real deals and just as cool in person. Was neat to hear that! 😊husband is great and home now, btw.
Hallelujah, to God be the glory. So glad you’re okay woddy. Five talk wouldn’t be the same without you ❤️❤️
This is complete insanity. Coming from someone who lives in a country where we have free healthcare I can't even begin to comprehend how this is possible. Glad you're alright Woody!
I’m grateful that you shared your experience and that they are willing to listen and change for the better. When I went to get certified, the instructors raved about DAN insurance.
The fact that money is the root of all these questions is disturbing
Woody, I am so happy that you are feeling better. That sounds terrifying. You couldn't have had a better group of people there with you. Thats the truth. I just cannot believe the way DAN handled this. They need to re evaluate their procedures for sure. Because telling someone they have to wait 48 hours for an ambulance with O2 is asinine. And then forcing you to pay almost $30k out of pocket before they step in is down right criminal. I feel like the only reason you got reimbursed was because they figured out you are Dive Talk. I hope I'm wrong. But I feel like if it were me, I would still be fighting to get my money back. Thank you for being transparent on this issue. It cannot be easy.
The US healthcare system is so fucked. That you have to pay AT ALL to get medical attention is fucking medieval.
-- First and foremost hugs to Amy who was probably frantic as Woody was trying to get this information from her. I wouldn't have been able to think in that situation.
-- Woody, thank God you are OK.
-- What a best friend Gus is! Listening to this if it weren't for Gus I'm not sure what the outcome was.
-- Modern medicine is f----d! We have this wonderful technology and the hospital will literally let you die waiting for your insurance card! It's ridiculous. I know someone whose son died in Cuba after where he had a pulmonary embolism. The hospital wouldn't treat him until he had some sort of documents from his insurance company. His insurance company wouldn't authorize treatment because he didn't set it up beforehand.
The medical industry is exactly that; an industry. They don't make money treating people. They make money admitting people. They'll try to save you only after being paid.
You don’t pay for insurance in Cuba.
For natives or tourists
(this is only an issue in the US, all other 1st world countries have universal healthcare)
@@skullsaintdead We've heard about 'Universal Healthcare'. Also known as medical rationing.
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Now I understand why woody holding an American Express card keeps popping up in my yt feed 😅
damn! I’m so glad to see you’re doing ok after that ordeal Woody and everyone needs a friend like Gus by their side in a situation like this! Much love from the uk ❤
Here are the list of DCS Symptoms from DAN's own website. This is just for those who are curious etc. I am just learning more about this too. I am no doctor nor am I a diver.
Signs and Symptoms
DCS
Unusual fatigue (I think this was possibly Woody's first symptom and it was extreme.)
Skin itch (I don't remember Woody mentioning an itch?)
Pain in joints or arm, leg or torso muscles (I don't remember Woody mentioning pain like this.)
Dizziness or vertigo (I remember Woody talking about feeling quite or very dizzy. )
Ringing in the ears (Yes I think Woody mentioned this! )
Numbness, tingling and/or paralysis (hmmm? Not sure sure? I think Woody mentioned he could not feel it legs or something? Marking this as not sure.)
Shortness of breath (Along with Unusual fatigue this was also basically Woody's first symptom and it was extreme by the sounds of it. )
A blotchy rash (I don't recall any mention of a rash.)
Muscle weakness or paralysis (Yes this is fair to say that a few moments I believe Woody has trouble walking? This could have been why.)
Difficulty urinating (Woody at least had no need to urinate. Could have have been Dehydration playing a role.)
Confusion, personality changes or bizarre behavior (Yes Woody was out of it for like 40-50% of this and did seem to act a little bizarre.)
Amnesia (He seems to have a little Amnesia about the whole thing. Getting days kind of wrong. Mentioning they kind of blur together. But I don't know if that counts. )
Tremors (I also don't recall this but this was a long event. )
Staggering (Yes Woody had problems walking etc. )
Coughing up bloody, frothy sputum (I do not think this happened to Woody. I don't recall it and am pretty sure I never heard them talking about it. )
Unconsciousness or collapse (It sounds like on 2-4 occasions Woody kind of collapsed and seemed to lose consciousness completely at least once! )
Like most conditions I don't think you have to have all or most symptoms to consider or confirm DCS.
I think that's possibly 9-10 or maybe more symptoms Woody had and a strong/severe indicator on a minimum of three. Out of 16.
Also on another website I read headaches were listed as a symptom. And that actually may have been the very first Symptom Woody felt but for some reason that's not even on DAN's list?
Great post. In part 2 I’ll clarify what I had and didn’t have of these. There are some I forgot to mention.
Woody
@@DIVETALK So glad your alright man. And thanks for taking the time to reply to my comment. Looking forward to Part 2. Take your time.
I'm glad you guys are okay!
"I was just resting" "IN PEACE?!" i'm literally sobbing that was too funny
Woody that is such a terrible, traumatic, and torturous experience you had to endure. You're a strong willed person that didn't give up the fight, I'm glad you are okay and made it into 2023 with all of us. Looking forward to more videos with you and Gus!
😂 2024. The trauma of this story made you lose a whole year ❤
Gus is a fucking rock star and Woody is the classiest act. Thank you both for being amazing humans. I hope everything that needs to happen happens with this egregious red tape in the future and I’m so glad you’re both alive and with us to share this story as a chance to make things better.
Welcome to the healthcare and insurance world!!
They’ve made my life hell.
I can't swim and am afraid of the water, but stumbled upon this page about 7 or so months ago and was intrigued. You all are educating so many people through your commentary. Keep it up!!
Been an Amex member since 1989. Many times have they “rescued” me. Nothing like this life threatening scenario, but absolutely THE best service. And the best card to have.
Glad you’re ok Woody. Looking forward to more of the story.
That is UNBELIEVABLE! I!! I understand your position Woody about DAN. You're extremely bright and you know what you are doing and doing it correctly. I'm 100% positive when this debacle is over you, Gus, Doug, Bryan & Ed will have changed alot of what is clearly a very, very dangerous situation. On top of that, I can't imagine what your premiums are for their insurance and for what? You are going to save alot of lives with those changes that are a comin my friends. Happy New Year to you all. My many prayers were answered that you 2 were OK. I was as everyone else sick to my stomach waiting to hear if you were ok.❤
One of the things about DAN insurance is that it is very affordable. It's about $200 a year for the highest possible level of insurance. DAN is the premiere organization for this kind of thing. However, a ball or three were clearly dropped here.
@@ScubaMegs23the price you charge doesn't excuse you from doing the job you're contracted to do.
Maybe the customers should be covered even if they choose not to pay too.
Woody and Gus you are so compassionate in your field❤️
This story has gotten me so frustrated from the incompetence that it brought a tear to my eyes. Glad you’re safe Woody as well as Gus, we’re glad Gus was there to get you through everything
What an absolute nightmare. It’s like when you are in a dream trying to run or do some complex task and nothing is working properly. Thank you for sharing and shedding light on the realities of this type of emergency
Glad your alive, and foing well woody, good thing you have gusto and a good team around you.
Every DAN member watching this should call DAN and make their concerns known.
This is an extremely useful and constructive conversation. Even beyond the context of diving. Look out for your buddies. If something seems off get help. Glad Woody is alright and that he has these skillful caring people around him. much love Woody thank you for sharing your experience from the heart here.
So glad to see Woody is doing well!
I'm just an OWD diver so I have no knowledge of something to this extent. I am SO GLAD that you are okay and thank god that at the end everything went well! It's incredible how that plane operates and was operated. Truly fascinating story and I'm very excited to listen to everything with the transcripts.
Hey guys yall won’t read this .. but I love your channel. I’m a Vet with PTSD & I watch your channel to soothe the symptoms & to quiet my mind. I’m so glad you’re both here still. That is all
I'm right there with you brother. You are not alone.
Oh Woody, I am so glad you are okay now. What a scary experience to go through. Good on you Gus for being a good mate. DAN sound like a nightmare. I hope you get this resolved.