I really liked listening to you explain it to me - I knew everything you said - but for some reason, maybe it was your delivery, tone, pace, voice - it just finally got it. SO, next year, when I plant a seed and it's not like the parent - I'll know it's hybrid. THANKS
As a follow-up comment - Your open pollinated, heirloom varieties will reproduce the same phenotype year after year only if you grow them with proper isolation to where they do not cross pollinate. Otherwise, you are creating another F1 (first generation) hybrid and you have to start all over again trying to isolate the traits of the parent plants. For many crop types, it take 5 to 7 generations through self-pollination, to get the original, pure traits of the parent plant to return. Some crop types respond sooner, other crop types may take longer. Often, a gardener is better off returning to original foundation seed than they are in beginning the selection and breeding process over again.
I wanted to have different varieties of sunflowers planted in a patch knowing very well that they wound end up being cross-pollinated. I still saved some seeds to experiment how the next generation would turn out. They are completely different from their parents. A single Mammoth plant produces multiple medium and small size of head instead of a huge one. Well, I am okay; I enjoy having experimental fun. This year I planted Arikara sunflower much later than the others. It is not blooming yet while other sunflowers are done with seeds to be harvested. I will save seeds and see for next year….😅
EVEN after 10 generations, a gene could be carried recessively and then suddenly re-emerge. This can be how a person inherits a trait that nobody in the family has but is genetic.
@@wolfgrey8483 - love it. We have show dogs and when we choose to have puppies we do the same thing. Selection for traits. Obviously we don't breed back to the parent or siblings, but over generations we get closer to the breed standard. It just takes longer as I only have one litter every 5 years.
Hi Christine, the goal is to 'de-hybridize' this variety. From the array of these F2 phenotypes we will select out the ones that look most like the original hybrid and grow them out over successive generations. Hopefully we can weed out all the off-types and get to a true open-pollinated version of the hybrid plant. We'll try to keep you up to date on our project!
Variation of the species. You can never guarantee 100% that an offspring does not carry part of a recessive allele. All it takes is the crossing with what seems to be two who are the same, and yet both carry the hidden recessive trait, and BAM, they revert back by about 25% of offspring.
Great video. How about if you harvest the seeds from the "child" plant that looks a lot like the hybrid parents? If that seed then germinates and looks like the past two generations, does that mean it's stable or can be expected to always grow the same? If not, how many generations does it take? Thanks!
The more you cross breed and save the close to true seed the less likely for reverting back. However, it is never 100%. Always an offspring can suddenly look like it’s distant ancestor.
The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way. Psalm 37:23 KJV The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all. Psalm 103:19 KJV Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV
I will not order from you Baker wants you to go on the internet a lot of people want to talk to a person I use Sow True Seeds so I can talk to a real person
I stopped ordering when I learned they made an unnecessary shot mandatory for employees. I think that was an awful decision to make on free human beings.
To be clear, Baker Creek does not, and has not ever, mandated the COVID vaccine or any other vaccine, and we support the right of employees to make their own health decisions. You are operating with bad information.
Sow true seeds is a rubbish company. No unique seed varieties. They don’t even grow their own seed stock. They know nothing of seed industry. No way are you speak to the human there. What Troll.
I hate to say this, @@RareSeedsBC, but I think this thread needs to be pinned. If that rumor is out there, you need to debunk it ASAP. Maybe even make a video about it. Let the world (and your customers) know that this is Slander and Defamation. Just my thought.
Both are important. I save seeds and buy heirloom. It’s good to be able to grow something with certainty, but I also enjoy selectively saving seed from plants that do better, or have unusual cross-breed types. You can especially get some odd peppers and winter squash.
If we're going to be educational, why don't I give you the facts that heirlooms, despite being selected, are still individual plants that pass and change genetically generation to generation. All it sounds like is you had some sort of bad experience with heirlooms and you wanna blame your own failure on them.
Terrific video. We appreciate all you do, Baker Creek.
What a great example of genetics.
I love ordering from Baker. The best of the best so far!
i save seed recklessly, you get a different but nice flower. I like saving seeds and growing anything
AAAAWESOOOOME!!!!!!!!! Thanks a bunch for visuals too! Regardless, all are beautiful! 💐💐
I can almost smell them . Lucky you🙂
Absolutely beautiful!
Great explanation! Thank you 😊
The best explanation on this topic! I love the visuals and now I understand this 😄
Great information ...thank you for making this video!
Live this example! Thanks❤
all about the seeds
This is fun and easy to do with grocery store primroses. The results can be anything. As a home gardener I'm just interested in the fun factor.
I really liked listening to you explain it to me - I knew everything you said - but for some reason, maybe it was your delivery, tone, pace, voice - it just finally got it. SO, next year, when I plant a seed and it's not like the parent - I'll know it's hybrid. THANKS
wish I wasnt in full blown attack of Deer, Love to have these Crazy awesome Genetic Plant flowers
As a follow-up comment - Your open pollinated, heirloom varieties will reproduce the same phenotype year after year only if you grow them with proper isolation to where they do not cross pollinate. Otherwise, you are creating another F1 (first generation) hybrid and you have to start all over again trying to isolate the traits of the parent plants. For many crop types, it take 5 to 7 generations through self-pollination, to get the original, pure traits of the parent plant to return. Some crop types respond sooner, other crop types may take longer. Often, a gardener is better off returning to original foundation seed than they are in beginning the selection and breeding process over again.
I wanted to have different varieties of sunflowers planted in a patch knowing very well that they wound end up being cross-pollinated. I still saved some seeds to experiment how the next generation would turn out. They are completely different from their parents. A single Mammoth plant produces multiple medium and small size of head instead of a huge one. Well, I am okay; I enjoy having experimental fun. This year I planted Arikara sunflower much later than the others. It is not blooming yet while other sunflowers are done with seeds to be harvested. I will save seeds and see for next year….😅
Wouldn't life be boring if every organism within a species looked the same? Flowers, birds, butterflies, people. Variety is the spice of life.
EVEN after 10 generations, a gene could be carried recessively and then suddenly re-emerge. This can be how a person inherits a trait that nobody in the family has but is genetic.
That's truly fascinating! So what is the next step? Do you then breed the ones that look like the parent until they stabilize?
Correct ! You select the plants in f1 you like to save seed, and continue to do this until you get more and more consistency.
@@wolfgrey8483 - love it. We have show dogs and when we choose to have puppies we do the same thing. Selection for traits. Obviously we don't breed back to the parent or siblings, but over generations we get closer to the breed standard. It just takes longer as I only have one litter every 5 years.
Hi Christine, the goal is to 'de-hybridize' this variety. From the array of these F2 phenotypes we will select out the ones that look most like the original hybrid and grow them out over successive generations. Hopefully we can weed out all the off-types and get to a true open-pollinated version of the hybrid plant. We'll try to keep you up to date on our project!
@@RareSeedsBC It would be interesting to try to create new varieties out of some of the prettier off-types too!
Variation of the species. You can never guarantee 100% that an offspring does not carry part of a recessive allele. All it takes is the crossing with what seems to be two who are the same, and yet both carry the hidden recessive trait, and BAM, they revert back by about 25% of offspring.
I like chaos..lol
Great video. How about if you harvest the seeds from the "child" plant that looks a lot like the hybrid parents? If that seed then germinates and looks like the past two generations, does that mean it's stable or can be expected to always grow the same? If not, how many generations does it take? Thanks!
The more you cross breed and save the close to true seed the less likely for reverting back. However, it is never 100%. Always an offspring can suddenly look like it’s distant ancestor.
Great video.
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The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way. Psalm 37:23 KJV
The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all. Psalm 103:19 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 KJV
I will not order from you Baker wants you to go on the internet a lot of people want to talk to a person I use Sow True Seeds so I can talk to a real person
LOL
I stopped ordering when I learned they made an unnecessary shot mandatory for employees. I think that was an awful decision to make on free human beings.
To be clear, Baker Creek does not, and has not ever, mandated the COVID vaccine or any other vaccine, and we support the right of employees to make their own health decisions. You are operating with bad information.
Sow true seeds is a rubbish company. No unique seed varieties. They don’t even grow their own seed stock. They know nothing of seed industry. No way are you speak to the human there. What Troll.
I hate to say this, @@RareSeedsBC, but I think this thread needs to be pinned.
If that rumor is out there, you need to debunk it ASAP. Maybe even make a video about it.
Let the world (and your customers) know that this is Slander and Defamation.
Just my thought.
Thanks diverse genetics is much better than heirloom.
Both are important. I save seeds and buy heirloom.
It’s good to be able to grow something with certainty, but I also enjoy selectively saving seed from plants that do better, or have unusual cross-breed types. You can especially get some odd peppers and winter squash.
Heirlooms are still individual plants with different genes, just similar expressions..? Dunno what the point was here.
@@wolfgrey8483 You will want to educate yourself further.
Yes, I, the person breeding, saving and rearing my own seeds, need to be more educated. Sure. How narcissistic.
If we're going to be educational, why don't I give you the facts that heirlooms, despite being selected, are still individual plants that pass and change genetically generation to generation. All it sounds like is you had some sort of bad experience with heirlooms and you wanna blame your own failure on them.