Again the old renders with the "glass" wall. Elon himself said it was a fantasy. As the weight of such a thing would be all the crews food. So no, not gonna happen. The original release was a SOLAR ARRAY. But they ran with everyone thinking they were windows. Some of the drawings were much better however. Showing just how little room there actually is for crew, verses cargo and life support. A crew of 20 for the moon and 2 weeks (food and water and air) and a crew of 8 for a trip to Mars. Unless they install NIRVA for faster transits
The good thing about a landed Starship on the Moon, is that normal toilets, showers, beds and washing machines work there. So just the journey time to get to and from the Moon needs a limited amount of special weightlessness gear.
@@favesongslist plus they can test everything safely. There is no difference from living on the moon and mars. The suits will be just as bulky, contrary to what people think. As radiation and dust will be exactly the same issues.
What I find interesting is how did they not explain how to extract the methane from the waste to be used to power the ship? Also, connect all the treadmills and excersize bikes to the Tesla battery and use that to power the ship in addition to the solar power.
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Starships flying to Mars in tethered* and spinning pairs could use ordinary toilets, bathrooms, shower rooms, and kitchens, once they were under way. The speed of spin could be progressively slowed from Earth G to Mars' G throughout the journey. Looking out might be the only problem . . . * tethered by their noses 500m apart. They already have these suspension points!
I agree. I'm not sure why they don't have a rotating section in the current design to house the sleepp facilities. At the very least, astronaughts could sleep there to help maintain body mass at night.
This would make a ridiculous undertaking, doubly so. Both have to land, therefore both have to be refuelled. No one, let alone Musk, has the plans for (let alone the budget for) the industrial scale mining and processing operation required.
The design overall layout owes a lot more to IT THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE than anything from STAR TREK or STAR WARS (maybe that's why STTOS couldn't find a way of adapting the film as an episode, which was discussed).
I would pack inflatable modules and once the starship is on its way to Mars, deploy the modules, and transfer the exercise and private room features into the modules. It will give the crew something to do. Fill the starship volume with supplies.
@@TimCortesi If they hadn't had the hubris to think the launch pad wouldn't break up and had installed the proper equipment, we might have seen the second launch by now.
My expectation for trips to mars, is that two ships will be joined by a long beam and the system will be spun to provide artificial gravity. When they arrive, the ships will be de-spun and the beam will be removed.
Bollocks !!. We need to fix this Planet first before going to Mars. What's on Mars anyway ?. Total hype I'm afraid . He just want;s to sell more of his over priced shitty cars. If he truely believed in EV's then he would produce a car that ordinary people can afford just like Henry Ford did with the model T. He's only interested in his fantasy to go to Mars but I'm afraid people will get hurt in the process.
The bounce-around deck--just below the command deck--will almost certainly be overtaken by extra but needed life-support stuff, such as bulkier hydroponics.
There is no way that Starship will have acceleration couches oriented in different directions. It is likely that they will all be oriented with feet towards the tiled side of the space ship to make re-entry tolerable. There are three high g times in a starship flight. Launch, re-entry and landing. Launch and landing will have g forces in the same direction, but re-entry will have g-forces 90 degrees from launch or landing. Acceleration couches must accommodate both g force vectors. You model has some passengers on their side during re-entry, and others hanging by their seat belts.
First priority ought to be to get it to the point where it can actually get into earth orbit, and then there is the pesky problem of landing without blowing up.
7:03 may exceed the practical limits after launch. That about sums it up. The space required to grow enough food for one person is 1/4 acre or about 10,900 square feet. For one person.
From the video title I was expecting a description of the actual design from SpaceX rather than a lot of speculation. I doubt there will be lots of empty space inside the final Starship as empty space requires structure which adds weight and weight is a premium when launching things into space. By the way fuel cells were developed for use in space craft long ago. I believe there were fuel cells on the Apollo missions back in the 1960’s. Their application to power production and cars on the ground is relatively new by comparison.
Very interesting. And btw with all this fantastic design, has any thought been given to the tedious need for propulsion systems, such as tankage, header tank in the nose, and the central downcomer? Oh, THAT!!
@@odysseusrex5908 I think he was simply commenting on the fact that we don't see a header tank in the videos of the passenger compartment, snarky. At this time, all this speculation is just "vaperware". I somehow thing that the thing that actually flies to Mars will be a lot less beautiful. Functionality and flight physics concerns trumps asthetics.
So cool to hear about the intetior layout of the new Muskship. This will offer future passengers greater control over whether they prefer to be rendered well-done vs. lightly braised, or simply opt for a classic julienne.
He should try, with other billionaires, fix the problem we have here. This accumulation of wealth is ridiculous, and he won't be alive if going to Mars becomes a reality.
I would combine dreams...making a new space station tube design , existing with multiple rings (like growing donuts) on a 5 spoke wheel. In the first ring we need space for construction, maintenance storage and several different workshops. Sec ring would only be for greenhouses,food and water supply Third ring would be for laboratory's ,fitness (treds can be used for electricity), Study Rooms, cinema, etc. In the last ring we find a lot of storage and other ,on the bottom we have docking stations for Starships. The 5 spokes will be used as "mainstreets" The Starships become the new "motorhomes" of the future, even more we have a type of Starship for anything. Making tubes with panels , role of steel or even Printing has to be possible.... A spacestation is our first need in space
Nope. It would be taken to a recycler, dried so the water content could be reclaimed, compacted, and then it would depend on mission needs. If there are hydroponics or airponics, you would need organic matter to act as a fertilizer/nutrition agent for the food/oxygen plants. So some of it would be recycled; excess would likely be ported overboard.
The crew's beds can duplicate as acceleration couches. You wouldn't put the control panel where people have to lift their arms to reach it during launch.
We always see windows on these ships, but windows are absolutely unnecessary on a apaceship. Cameras and screens do the job without all the structural and shielding disadvantages of windows.
I still say the lunar starship should be made so that it lands horizontally. They cant use the main engines near the surface so landing engines have to be added anyway, they could be oriented belly first, and the main engines could be used to drop orbital speed to nothing near the surface, and make the vertical “fall” minimal. And on take off the landing engines just have to get the ship high enough they can light the main engines and fly off horizontally. The also negates the issues with needing an elevator to go up and down the damn thing.
Eventually (I believe) it will get to a point to where starship is just bases in orbit and a lander will be used to go from the base to the planet below. Far less fuel will be used that way, and the only thing SpaceX has to do is send a starship every now and then to refuel / resupply.
Large open spaces like the one with the giant window are a bad idea because a person can become trapped in zero G where they can't reach a surface. Also a tube with a ladder running from top to bottom of the habitat presents a significant falling hazard when Starship in not in Zero G. Which is why Navel vessels generally don't have ladders that cross multiple decks....That kind of stuff looks cool, but won't make it into an actual Starship. Defiantly not one NASA has any say in designing.
Starship won't ever experience any real gravity, and even if they were, how would they do it? The ship is too small to spin, and even spinning like that makes the vertical decks a stupid idea. This is why the ISS is compact, with no "floor or ground", and doesn't spin.
@@jaydonbrown617 While landed on the Moon or Mars Starship will experience quite a bit of gravity. Which is where things like a ladder running from the bottom to the top floor are a problem. Even in Lunar Gravity if you fall 4 or 5 stories to the bottom you will get hurt or possibly even killed.
@@THX..1138 Yes, with a 100 people in a 8m wide tube, people are bound to fall like this. That's if they can even land the thing, they still haven't figured out the take-off part
Just saying, a crew starship could easily carry 100 people to Leo comfortably but no station supports that many. When crewing the iss, what are they gonna do with all the extra space? They could use it for cargo but there’s enough space in there to launch the ISS into space in a starship.
Starship is not the beginning of the end for companies that do not see its potential. That is what Falcon 9 was. Starship is the final nail in their coffin.
I would like to see a telescoping HAB/LAB Star-Ship that will give 80 feet more living space with a center passage from top to to engine area and larger tanks. It will be a telescoping outer ship over tank in a tank in a telescoping passageway. 2 of the these HABs fixed to a 6 dock x 70ft docking station with 2 tankers (No Wings) HUB and 1 Cargo, 1 supply, 2 transports and 4 tankers will give gravity ..22g-.68g on a MARS mission. The floor will be the earth ceiling.
NEWSFLASH!!! Even NASA is getting nervous about the timeline for the scheduled Artemis's launches due to the frequent R&D set backs. SpaceX still doesn't have a finalized crew cabin for STARSHIP. Not to mention all the testing required for human rating it.
There is no “vertical” in space. Decks are 90° to the main engines, which while under thrust would be “vertical” in sensation. Its also meant to land vertically so they are oriented 90° to down when landed.
@@danielperaza9655 No. But I'm sure the first versions will have few windows and we will soon discover that we appreciate the structural integrity more than the 'real' view.
It should be like a docking part that they connect to once in Orbet. Just like teh Jedi Starfighter had a docking part. Thta way they could use it while in transit, detach and then land and then takeoff and re dock to it on the way home!
When you consider that the ISS crew has to exercise HOURS per day to maintain some semblance of muscle tone, I certainly hope the Starship has a whole lot of gym equipment, or the passengers will not be able to get enough hours of exercise. It seems kind of wrong to send only 1 Starship at a time. It would be more intelligent to send two, docked by a long tether and spinning for some amount of artificial gravity. 1 whole Starship should be simply Cargo and hydroponics with a total backup Environmental System. Since anyone going to Mars will stay a minimum of a year, better to have too many supplies, food, and spares than not enough. I am very concerned by the margins Elon is having on a single Starship for such a large crew.
Thank you for these impressions, Sir. I remember the broken window of the Command Module in times of Apollo. I would suggest SpaceX to plan one-size-windows, so one type of spare part could fix the windows in case of damage. The dimensions of this space ship are really impressing.
Hydrogen isn't the only element needed for fuel cell operation. You also need oxygen that weighs 8x what the hydrogen weighs. So it's far more weight than just the hydrogen.
Why not provide some artificial gravity on the Starship in Space to the Moon & Mars by rotating the sleeping quarters deck or outer ring of the vertical sleeping beds? You could strap into bed & gain some healthy gravity at night. Is 1 G possible?
something everyone forgets, we really dont need a reusable top stage. the boosters are the most valuable part of this. they can design anything to fit on top of the upper stage raptor engine/fuel tanks including separating them from a payload stage with minimal thrust to finalize an orbit/ final transfer into another bodies orbit. SpaceX could be sending anyone's ships into orbit with simple adapters. I keep seeing a simple fact. the future is now
Why not remove the rocket part to the outside and attach them to the starship with pylons. This would increase the usable space inside the starship threefold. Once in space you could attach Falcon mini-rockets to the pylons for propulsion and landing. Expressly on the moon as a lunar outpost. Landing the starship horizontally would make egress a great deal easier. Something to think about.
In the video, hydrogen is referred to as an energy source. Hydrogen can be considered an energy source in the same way that batteries are. Hydrogen is really only carrier for energy from a real source like solar panels, thermal radioisotope generators, a fission reactor, or something yet to be made. Even in the core of our Sun, hydrogen is not a source of energy until it binds with a neutron, becoming deuterium. The supply of neutrons in the core of stars is the factor that determines how fast the star consumes hydrogen.
Sling two ships around each other, nose to nose on a cable, to create artificial gravity. It would be like suspending two ships from a crane on Earth. (i.e. same forces involved)
Usable space could be doubled, tripled, even more by Bigelow inflatable modules. For Mars trips you deploy them and upon arrival you pick them up. Since they won't be radiation proof, It won't be for human use. Short time inside them. Can't think the use of this humongous extra space.
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One thing that would be ingenious would be for Elon to build a Starship that can survive beyond the altitude of a Chinese surveillance balloon, and do something economically useful. That would be cool.
It would be best to send an automated Starship first to Mars . If people die at a failed landing that will be a problem . Other system failures , another big problem .
@@mikewallace8087 If people were sent to Mars and died trying, that would surely be the final Starship-sized nail in SpaceX's coffin. I'm sure other agencies like NASA and Boeing would try to continue on with their endeavors, but it will be like before with the shuttle crashes. A completely, crushingly, devastating blow to space exploration. With the way they cheer at billions of dollars exploding in midair, I don't doubt SpaceX will eventually bring about such an event...
A hydrogen fuel cell has a 2nd capability. The atomic decay generates heat. That heat can be used in 2 ways: 1) heating air to warn the interior of Starship; so Astronaut can wear their kakis more than their space suits; and 2) the heat from the cells can produce steam to run electric motors for additional electricity.
Fuel cells do not use any radioactive materials. You're thinking Atomic Decay Thermal Batteries, which have slugs of plutonium in them to generate heat for electrothermal conversion. Like the Voyagers use.
It's going to take no less than 8 StarShip's to make it to Mars. Each one will carry different mission requirements. 2 for fuel, 2 for surface stores, 2 for the ground habitat. 1 for the crew and 1 as a backup.
@@ville9738 In the next 2 to 5 years, SpaceX will have StarShip up and operating on a regular basis like Falcon 9 has accomplished. That means for a very low cost, SpaceX can move tons of equipment into space. Obviously the first move is to the moon. Establish a working base on the moon to work out all of the problems that SpaceX will find and pass that technology on to the Mars Expedition. In short, yes, SpaceX is going to Mars in about 10 years.
@@ville9738 One has to ask, who would have remotely dream of rockets blasting off and then returning back to the pad for a landing? That’s SpaceX and so far this year, they have done it over 200 times.
It is fact that starship will likely rotate trough its axis. Making centrifugal gravity. That would mean that ships internal exterior wall would be floor. And center of the ship would be roof with no grafity. This way centrifugally working toilets might work meaning toilet would be in wall. Except if the toilet would land on mars. This way every module would be have to make the way. That when module is transformed to mars it would first need to rotate 90°. Making wall that has toilet as bottom of the module. This way whole 9 meter diameter ship would have 4-5 floors where top and bottom floor would be smaller at size. Top floor would have observation lounge bottom floor toilets and exits and garages. everything would need to be build in ship when earth in 90° Angle towards the wall that would be the side of the hatch of the ship.
Even 50 years ago, a car that couldn't make it to the grocery store would have been seen as a failure. By then, cars had been making it to the store for the better part of a century just as rockets have been able to make it to space for the better part of a century now in 2023. My only question for Muskrats, what flavor is that Koolaid?
I think that designing the starship like a onion is better than, top down. Reason is the astronaut can be in the inside layer most of the time, then the next layer can be storage, and the final layer can be the life support system. Reasoning is that this reduces the need for installation of layers of radiation. protection
Thank you for that look into a unique perspective of the latest poetential design of how the starship could be developed. I am curious why they do not put a half gravity spin on the starship to Mars so they are more comfortable and can use regular toilets with a half earth gravity and to let the astronauts do more studies and help keep their bones and muscles in shape when they get to Mars. IMHO
Lots of stuff going on inside the ship. Imagine the cost of building something like that and launching it!!! Awsome, as long as it goes better than last one. I hope it does but thats one heck of a loss if it goes down.
Unless there is a sister ship accompanying containing extra supplies and spare parts, I just cannot see how you can fit life support, food, exercise equipment, spare parts etc for a 20 month journey. It's just impossible. The level of having just redundant equipment alone would take up an entire starship. Actually now than I think of it, even one extra starship would not be enough, I would roughly guess 4, one for the crew, one just for food / water, one for fuel for the return journey and one for misc equipment, habitat (if not already there), solar panels etc. Just the one ship to sustain them for 20 months?, not a chance in hell.
Starts off promising A NEW reveal of "exactly" how the Starship will be configured, then proceeds to rehash old speculation and reuse old footage without a shread of new information.
"The top floor is best suited for the command deck..." There's where atmospheric friction, heat and pressure will at its highest during ascent...so why is that floor best suited for the command deck? Personally, I think I'd put people performing critical functions on the decks that are easiest to make safe & comfortable; it's not obvious to me that that would be the top floor.
I think it is a good time to consider leveraging nuclear energy as a power source for space travel with the advancement of fusion as a potentially future viable option.
So some of what I assume are valid Questions and Statements I assume Kevin Are: (1)Should the “New Fuel source,(although I’d say it would and should only be used as a backup system;since it’s untried and has itself a range of unknown side-affects. But since this is a long journey with no,”If Only We Had!;.. ;situation’s should;”never”; arise due to the distance from home;inability to replace. The system should ONLY BE INCLUDED if it is Housed in an area where it stands absolutely 0’% chance of interacting with t 9:28 he Rocket s highly combustible and journey ending Fuel systems and or lines,in any Way Means or Form. The Above also applies to its effects on the astronauts,their food water etc. I think that it’s test version which I believe could still be run aboard; either The International Space Station,or one of the “Self-Inflating created,(&already tested side-unit pods,which could be added to The ISS solely as a test space;(left to run a simulation Moon&Mars run computer 🖥 course to test it for both conditions,even perhaps pushing it a bit here and there to test its Strengths and weaknesses. The Above could also be run aboard a fairly Down-stripped Dragon pod put in place on the side of the ISS to run its programs for longer than the expected time&pushing the system up to 10 or more times past its furthest “Past-acceptable range”. U need to be certain you know that you can push the system and to know it’s limits even better than things you’ve known for over 20 years. Then it’s always handy to carry both a 3D printer,as well as stock of every material used in construction,flight,re-construction,as well as Hybrid substances of both warm&cold platelet construction’s. IE. One may require to make and fit several lost heat tiles.3D created and replaced is an approach. Breaking down damaged tiles and reusing them again for reconstruction of same is a valuable “GARBAGE RE-DISPOSAL of material. Function is everything in space. Cover 365’ infinitum!! Don’t wish you had. You are headed to THE Unknown;”Hey you’re struck by a small meteorite object,(By Impact mathematical infraction; light Speed-/Helps Define;Speed Actual,Material,via impact-Breakup!(& There should be Enough Cameras,to somehow catch Every Impact, substance interaction,(All of which should be kept on The Computer “Onboard Computer System,” or by slowest 20-Second interaction with space systems internet and Starlink-Uplink. The same ship to ground should all be Starlink interacted since it’s A known and traceable system to its mainframe should it’s last known Triangulated point need exact exposure. Besides since it should be running the system to Fly The Rocket 🚀 on course&continually dancing information around the ship’s system’s to run for anything and everything. IE. The temp s things run at &everything conceivably else;etc. As for The “Make Me Look Good Tensile glass. That much is (1) Just Way too much Damn Glass &(2) Definitely introduces weak areas for both Heat and Implosion zones.(Hell,that sun out there is shouting an ironically timed piece. Rather be safe. Again I’d rather not be told halfway to the moon that there are 2 cracks in the plate glass area. “Who the hell really cares how it looks whilst in its most dangerous part of its journey. I’d rather just hear that it had safely made it there and landed safely. And even that it had fallen over,but because it didn’t have the regolith impressing glass. It survived as did all aboard. I’d much rather see Team SpaceX shoot for a much larger version of a functional,much larger “Starship-Dragon 1-“ what an absolutely marvellous piece of absolutely functional engineering that would be prove to be. One could create the most amazing useful,functional,spacious;luxurious; Landing vehicle which in itself could prove to be The best ever built Astronauts vehicle to the surface of the moon and Mars. Interacting with Starship like a Dream. It always struck me as strange why Elon never gave it consideration. Well those are some of today’s thoughts from the above shared piece. Thanks for the Interaction Kevin. I apologise for only responding to so few of your lengthy pieces valid points. Wish I had more time. Until the next one.
If you have a bladdy great window, how are you going to protect the crew from radiation? You need to cover the ship in electrified wires or a water blanket.
As a senior, a trip to mars sounds miserable to me. In fact, not being able to bath or dispose of bodily waste is not something I want to deal with either. It seems it doesn't end with the spaceflight but extends on to mars or whatever habitable environment you choose. None the less, there will be those up to the challenge. The US is up against a tight time frame here with the Chinese bearing down on us. The moon is priority one with every thing else coming in second. I don't believe NASA will approve a lunar flight that doesn't include a way to evacuate the astronauts. If I were SX I would incorporate a facsimile of the Dragon capsule into the design of the Starship; like a third stage command module. In the event of a problem they just blow the third stage. Basically the Dragon is already human rated and has the means to save the astronauts. A further benefit could be the ability to launch from the moon into orbit or even back to earth. I watched the Challenger on TV and I knew then as I do now that those astronauts could have survived that horrible tragedy. When I watched the last test flight of the Starship and the failure of the Starship to detach from the well built Super Heavy as they twisted around, my mind went immediately to the Challenger. RIP
Again the old renders with the "glass" wall. Elon himself said it was a fantasy. As the weight of such a thing would be all the crews food. So no, not gonna happen. The original release was a SOLAR ARRAY. But they ran with everyone thinking they were windows. Some of the drawings were much better however. Showing just how little room there actually is for crew, verses cargo and life support. A crew of 20 for the moon and 2 weeks (food and water and air) and a crew of 8 for a trip to Mars. Unless they install NIRVA for faster transits
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The good thing about a landed Starship on the Moon, is that normal toilets, showers, beds and washing machines work there.
So just the journey time to get to and from the Moon needs a limited amount of special weightlessness gear.
@@favesongslist plus they can test everything safely. There is no difference from living on the moon and mars. The suits will be just as bulky, contrary to what people think. As radiation and dust will be exactly the same issues.
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There is no reason you could not use transparent aluminum for windows. This material has been reality for awhile now.
What I find interesting is how did they not explain how to extract the methane from the waste to be used to power the ship? Also, connect all the treadmills and excersize bikes to the Tesla battery and use that to power the ship in addition to the solar power.
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Next time copy strike them. So what's your link?
@@user-cd4kh5cr9b much nicer to ask politely first, though, isn't it?
Starships flying to Mars in tethered* and spinning pairs could use ordinary toilets, bathrooms, shower rooms, and kitchens, once they were under way. The speed of spin could be progressively slowed from Earth G to Mars' G throughout the journey. Looking out might be the only problem . . . * tethered by their noses 500m apart. They already have these suspension points!
I agree. I'm not sure why they don't have a rotating section in the current design to house the sleepp facilities. At the very least, astronaughts could sleep there to help maintain body mass at night.
This would make a ridiculous undertaking, doubly so. Both have to land, therefore both have to be refuelled. No one, let alone Musk, has the plans for (let alone the budget for) the industrial scale mining and processing operation required.
@@saumyacow4435 What are you talking about?
The design overall layout owes a lot more to IT THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE than anything from STAR TREK or STAR WARS (maybe that's why STTOS couldn't find a way of adapting the film as an episode, which was discussed).
The exercise equipment could be modified to generate electricity: bicycles, treadmills, rowing machines, etc.
I would pack inflatable modules and once the starship is on its way to Mars, deploy the modules, and transfer the exercise and private room features into the modules. It will give the crew something to do.
Fill the starship volume with supplies.
Make my day !
@@user-wk9pc8fr8o There are 10 kinds of people: Those that understand binary and those that don't. :)
@@331SVTCobra I am the type that understands binary and I know that the 10 is binary and means 2. So you are saying that there are 2 kinds of people
I call this the hot dog space craft.
Two soft whit bundles holding a spicy dog between them.
Inflatables for more room make a lot of sense to keep crew sane.
Part of the reason they are working tirelessly at Boca Chica is because the last launch destroyed the launch pad.
Would they be working slower if the launch pad was undamaged?
@@TimCortesi If they hadn't had the hubris to think the launch pad wouldn't break up and had installed the proper equipment, we might have seen the second launch by now.
My expectation for trips to mars, is that two ships will be joined by a long beam and the system will be spun to provide artificial gravity. When they arrive, the ships will be de-spun and the beam will be removed.
Bollocks !!. We need to fix this Planet first before going to Mars. What's on Mars anyway ?. Total hype I'm afraid . He just want;s to sell more of his over priced shitty cars. If he truely believed in EV's then he would produce a car that ordinary people can afford just like Henry Ford did with the model T. He's only interested in his fantasy to go to Mars but I'm afraid people will get hurt in the process.
The bounce-around deck--just below the command deck--will almost certainly be overtaken by extra but needed life-support stuff, such as bulkier hydroponics.
Why would hydroponics be viable on a 1st run moon lander?
There is no way that Starship will have acceleration couches oriented in different directions. It is likely that they will all be oriented with feet towards the tiled side of the space ship to make re-entry tolerable. There are three high g times in a starship flight. Launch, re-entry and landing. Launch and landing will have g forces in the same direction, but re-entry will have g-forces 90 degrees from launch or landing. Acceleration couches must accommodate both g force vectors. You model has some passengers on their side during re-entry, and others hanging by their seat belts.
First priority ought to be to get it to the point where it can actually get into earth orbit, and then there is the pesky problem of landing without blowing up.
It'll happen.
The animation makes it look so easy
7:03 may exceed the practical limits after launch.
That about sums it up.
The space required to grow enough food for one person is 1/4 acre or about 10,900 square feet.
For one person.
From the video title I was expecting a description of the actual design from SpaceX rather than a lot of speculation. I doubt there will be lots of empty space inside the final Starship as empty space requires structure which adds weight and weight is a premium when launching things into space. By the way fuel cells were developed for use in space craft long ago. I believe there were fuel cells on the Apollo missions back in the 1960’s. Their application to power production and cars on the ground is relatively new by comparison.
Very interesting. And btw with all this fantastic design, has any thought been given to the tedious need for propulsion systems, such as tankage, header tank in the nose, and the central downcomer? Oh, THAT!!
Umm, you have seen the various test articles undergoing actual flight operations, haven't you?
@@odysseusrex5908 I think he was simply commenting on the fact that we don't see a header tank in the videos of the passenger compartment, snarky.
At this time, all this speculation is just "vaperware". I somehow thing that the thing that actually flies to Mars will be a lot less beautiful. Functionality and flight physics concerns trumps asthetics.
The downcommer is within the tank section of Starship, but yes a header tank will be needed. Also a radiation shelter for solar storms.
So cool to hear about the intetior layout of the new Muskship. This will offer future passengers greater control over whether they prefer to be rendered well-done vs. lightly braised, or simply opt for a classic julienne.
Vids commentary is delusional - we all want to see people on Mars, but getting anyone there and back in any fit condition is decades away at best
@@garyc1384 There is only one person I want to see on Mars. And I am not particular about the condition in which musk is delivered.
He should try, with other billionaires, fix the problem we have here. This accumulation of wealth is ridiculous, and he won't be alive if going to Mars becomes a reality.
@@garyc1384 wow sure bro, let us take your uneducated opinion xD
I would combine dreams...making a new space station tube design ,
existing with multiple rings (like growing donuts) on a 5 spoke wheel.
In the first ring we need space for construction, maintenance storage
and several different workshops.
Sec ring would only be for greenhouses,food and water supply
Third ring would be for laboratory's ,fitness (treds can be used for electricity),
Study Rooms, cinema, etc.
In the last ring we find a lot of storage and other ,on the bottom we have docking stations for Starships.
The 5 spokes will be used as "mainstreets"
The Starships become the new "motorhomes" of the future, even more we have a type of Starship for anything.
Making tubes with panels , role of steel or even Printing has to be possible....
A spacestation is our first need in space
Head of cgi is the most crucial role at spacex
Shiny animation attractions money to ponzi schémas. Elon Musk wants his Dubai on another planet, where no one can see what absurdité it is
Who else but spaceX still amazed.
Hay, I’m ready to go! A one way trip would be ok for me. I love an adventure.
Thanks guys enjoyed watching the video, great information on StarShip. ✨✨👍
Luxury comfort to Mars, Musk vision is incredible ❤❤❤❤
It's so grounded in 1950s imagination
SPACEX creating City into Mars😮😮😮
methane can also be used to 'fuel' a fuel cell also.
On the zero gravity toilet where does the turd go is it just ejected out into space to float around like a mini Oumuamua?
Nope. It would be taken to a recycler, dried so the water content could be reclaimed, compacted, and then it would depend on mission needs. If there are hydroponics or airponics, you would need organic matter to act as a fertilizer/nutrition agent for the food/oxygen plants. So some of it would be recycled; excess would likely be ported overboard.
The crew's beds can duplicate as acceleration couches. You wouldn't put the control panel where people have to lift their arms to reach it during launch.
We always see windows on these ships, but windows are absolutely unnecessary on a apaceship. Cameras and screens do the job without all the structural and shielding disadvantages of windows.
I still say the lunar starship should be made so that it lands horizontally. They cant use the main engines near the surface so landing engines have to be added anyway, they could be oriented belly first, and the main engines could be used to drop orbital speed to nothing near the surface, and make the vertical “fall” minimal. And on take off the landing engines just have to get the ship high enough they can light the main engines and fly off horizontally. The also negates the issues with needing an elevator to go up and down the damn thing.
Eventually (I believe) it will get to a point to where starship is just bases in orbit and a lander will be used to go from the base to the planet below. Far less fuel will be used that way, and the only thing SpaceX has to do is send a starship every now and then to refuel / resupply.
Too heavy.
It won't land horizontally, not strong enough.
@@tonyduncan9852 the weight is the same if its vertical or horizontal.
@@psycotria they couldnt give it a little reinforcement? Surely the logistical tradeoff for the weight would be worth it
So did I miss the updates of Starship as all these renders have been shown before ?
Seems like recycled content and speculation.
@@gcampagn Yes I saw that but ive seen that before and it didnt come from spaceX
Large open spaces like the one with the giant window are a bad idea because a person can become trapped in zero G where they can't reach a surface. Also a tube with a ladder running from top to bottom of the habitat presents a significant falling hazard when Starship in not in Zero G. Which is why Navel vessels generally don't have ladders that cross multiple decks....That kind of stuff looks cool, but won't make it into an actual Starship. Defiantly not one NASA has any say in designing.
Starship won't ever experience any real gravity, and even if they were, how would they do it? The ship is too small to spin, and even spinning like that makes the vertical decks a stupid idea. This is why the ISS is compact, with no "floor or ground", and doesn't spin.
@@jaydonbrown617 While landed on the Moon or Mars Starship will experience quite a bit of gravity. Which is where things like a ladder running from the bottom to the top floor are a problem. Even in Lunar Gravity if you fall 4 or 5 stories to the bottom you will get hurt or possibly even killed.
@@THX..1138 Yes, with a 100 people in a 8m wide tube, people are bound to fall like this. That's if they can even land the thing, they still haven't figured out the take-off part
@@jaydonbrown617there never will be 100 people.
@@skygge1006 But Elon says there will be
Just saying, a crew starship could easily carry 100 people to Leo comfortably but no station supports that many. When crewing the iss, what are they gonna do with all the extra space? They could use it for cargo but there’s enough space in there to launch the ISS into space in a starship.
They will use different ships for different jobs.
Starship is not the beginning of the end for companies that do not see its potential. That is what Falcon 9 was. Starship is the final nail in their coffin.
Starship iself look like a modern space station ❤
I would like to see a telescoping HAB/LAB Star-Ship that will give 80 feet more living space with a center passage from top to to engine area and larger tanks. It will be a telescoping outer ship over tank in a tank in a telescoping passageway. 2 of the these HABs fixed to a 6 dock x 70ft docking station with 2 tankers (No Wings) HUB and 1 Cargo, 1 supply, 2 transports and 4 tankers will give gravity ..22g-.68g on a MARS mission. The floor will be the earth ceiling.
NEWSFLASH!!! Even NASA is getting nervous about the timeline for the scheduled Artemis's launches due to the frequent R&D set backs. SpaceX still doesn't have a finalized crew cabin for STARSHIP. Not to mention all the testing required for human rating it.
love the comments. gives me hope that there are still some people out there with common sense and brains
1:04 "Ground breaking"? You bet. It not only breaks the ground, it also sends it flying for two miles in all directions...
This arrangement indicates that the craft would need to travel in the vertical position for the facilities not to be lopsided. Confirm.
There is no “vertical” in space. Decks are 90° to the main engines, which while under thrust would be “vertical” in sensation. Its also meant to land vertically so they are oriented 90° to down when landed.
@@nathannopants3157 makes sense. Thank you.
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Peace be with you.
There is a glaring error in he artist's concept as the header tank and its long plumbing is not shown.
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I don't see windows when cameras and displays can do the same thing with less weight and more strength.
Transparent aluminum for the windows. Stronger, thinner, lighter. And being made in bigger sections every year.
@@ramonmacias9013 Starship is steel. Video cameras are fine.
Technically, yes. Psychologically, I'm not sure. But it's an interesting idea 🤔 Do you know about any related studies?
@@danielperaza9655 No. But I'm sure the first versions will have few windows and we will soon discover that we appreciate the structural integrity more than the 'real' view.
@robertmartens7839 windows would be good for sunlight for health, mental health, and growing plants.
It should be like a docking part that they connect to once in Orbet. Just like teh Jedi Starfighter had a docking part. Thta way they could use it while in transit, detach and then land and then takeoff and re dock to it on the way home!
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When you consider that the ISS crew has to exercise HOURS per day to maintain some semblance of muscle tone, I certainly hope the Starship has a whole lot of gym equipment, or the passengers will not be able to get enough hours of exercise. It seems kind of wrong to send only 1 Starship at a time. It would be more intelligent to send two, docked by a long tether and spinning for some amount of artificial gravity. 1 whole Starship should be simply Cargo and hydroponics with a total backup Environmental System. Since anyone going to Mars will stay a minimum of a year, better to have too many supplies, food, and spares than not enough. I am very concerned by the margins Elon is having on a single Starship for such a large crew.
Thank you for these impressions, Sir.
I remember the broken window of the Command Module in times of Apollo. I would suggest SpaceX to plan one-size-windows, so one type of spare part could fix the windows in case of damage.
The dimensions of this space ship are really impressing.
This looks like a design you might see on the show the Expanse.
Amazing.....
Nice man ...
Great video...
Keep it up ..
Thank you so much! have a nice day!
@@colonbina1 You too...
Hydrogen isn't the only element needed for fuel cell operation. You also need oxygen that weighs 8x what the hydrogen weighs. So it's far more weight than just the hydrogen.
Why not provide some artificial gravity on the Starship in Space to the Moon & Mars by rotating the sleeping quarters deck or outer ring of the vertical sleeping beds? You could strap into bed & gain some healthy gravity at night. Is 1 G possible?
This was a GOOD VIDEO and Good Editing. Keep it up.
Pure speculative b.s.. Little better than click bait
Spacex should just invest all its money in shiny animations. Keeps the elon-cult happy
something everyone forgets, we really dont need a reusable top stage. the boosters are the most valuable part of this. they can design anything to fit on top of the upper stage raptor engine/fuel tanks including separating them from a payload stage with minimal thrust to finalize an orbit/ final transfer into another bodies orbit. SpaceX could be sending anyone's ships into orbit with simple adapters. I keep seeing a simple fact. the future is now
hahaha - did you not watch the 'launch'. Fine to read and watch sci-fi, but you need to realize Musk is just a fan, not a scientist
@@garyc1384 yea and that launch was very promising! the booster worked even without 4 of its engines. next launches will be even better!
trying to grow plants will take up a lot of water! They need to develop a machine that extracts moisture out of the air as well...
Why not remove the rocket part to the outside and attach them to the starship with pylons. This would increase the usable space inside the starship threefold. Once in space you could attach Falcon mini-rockets to the pylons for propulsion and landing. Expressly on the moon as a lunar outpost. Landing the starship horizontally would make egress a great deal easier. Something to think about.
Once we have the transportation figured out , we can ship Woldorf Astoria.
In the video, hydrogen is referred to as an energy source. Hydrogen can be considered an energy source in the same way that batteries are. Hydrogen is really only carrier for energy from a real source like solar panels, thermal radioisotope generators, a fission reactor, or something yet to be made.
Even in the core of our Sun, hydrogen is not a source of energy until it binds with a neutron, becoming deuterium. The supply of neutrons in the core of stars is the factor that determines how fast the star consumes hydrogen.
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2 huge origami solar array balls should do the trick 😲
Sling two ships around each other, nose to nose on a cable, to create artificial gravity. It would be like suspending two ships from a crane on Earth. (i.e. same forces involved)
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Good to see it'll have a Jeffrey's tube. 🖖
No need for any fancy space toilets. Just use a vacuum cleaner, like officer Doofy, in Scary Movie!
It reminded me of Terra Formars anime spaceship. Goodluck guys, boldly go where no cockroaches live.
a rocket without an escape pod/vehicle nobody with a sane mind will use it
space shuttle also didnt have escape system either
You left out the "NCC" registration number so the the United Federation of Planets can keep track. "Live long & prosper".🖖
C'mon, SpaceX!! Finish it soon!!! I want to go to Mars in this lifetime!!! 😂
Usable space could be doubled, tripled, even more by Bigelow inflatable modules. For Mars trips you deploy them and upon arrival you pick them up. Since they won't be radiation proof, It won't be for human use. Short time inside them. Can't think the use of this humongous extra space.
wow, so few storage for supplies.
Windows = weight. Weight = more fuel to lift windows. More fuel = more weight. Ditch the windows.
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I hope this happens. But I can’t see it working. It’s to complicated.
@@jasongreenaway5597 yap really want it to happen
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you liked it
One thing that would be ingenious would be for Elon to build a Starship that can survive beyond the altitude of a Chinese surveillance balloon, and do something economically useful. That would be cool.
You mean weather ballon, many countries use them.
@@raybod1775 Maybe
Cool 😎
mars, musk is trippimg !!
It would be best to send an automated Starship first to Mars . If people die at a failed landing that will be a problem . Other system failures , another big problem .
@@mikewallace8087 If people were sent to Mars and died trying, that would surely be the final Starship-sized nail in SpaceX's coffin. I'm sure other agencies like NASA and Boeing would try to continue on with their endeavors, but it will be like before with the shuttle crashes. A completely, crushingly, devastating blow to space exploration. With the way they cheer at billions of dollars exploding in midair, I don't doubt SpaceX will eventually bring about such an event...
A hydrogen fuel cell has a 2nd capability. The atomic decay generates heat. That heat can be used in 2 ways: 1) heating air to warn the interior of Starship; so Astronaut can wear their kakis more than their space suits; and 2) the heat from the cells can produce steam to run electric motors for additional electricity.
Fuel cells do not use any radioactive materials. You're thinking Atomic Decay Thermal Batteries, which have slugs of plutonium in them to generate heat for electrothermal conversion. Like the Voyagers use.
It's going to take no less than 8 StarShip's to make it to Mars. Each one will carry different mission requirements. 2 for fuel, 2 for surface stores, 2 for the ground habitat. 1 for the crew and 1 as a backup.
Plus like 32 fuel trips.
do you actually believe that spacex is going to mars? :DDD
@@ville9738 In the next 2 to 5 years, SpaceX will have StarShip up and operating on a regular basis like Falcon 9 has accomplished. That means for a very low cost, SpaceX can move tons of equipment into space. Obviously the first move is to the moon. Establish a working base on the moon to work out all of the problems that SpaceX will find and pass that technology on to the Mars Expedition. In short, yes, SpaceX is going to Mars in about 10 years.
@@jroar123 10years? for mars? not even in their wildest dreams...
@@ville9738 One has to ask, who would have remotely dream of rockets blasting off and then returning back to the pad for a landing? That’s SpaceX and so far this year, they have done it over 200 times.
It is fact that starship will likely rotate trough its axis. Making centrifugal gravity. That would mean that ships internal exterior wall would be floor. And center of the ship would be roof with no grafity. This way centrifugally working toilets might work meaning toilet would be in wall. Except if the toilet would land on mars. This way every module would be have to make the way. That when module is transformed to mars it would first need to rotate 90°. Making wall that has toilet as bottom of the module. This way whole 9 meter diameter ship would have 4-5 floors where top and bottom floor would be smaller at size. Top floor would have observation lounge bottom floor toilets and exits and garages. everything would need to be build in ship when earth in 90° Angle towards the wall that would be the side of the hatch of the ship.
If I get to go, I'm doing bodyweight exercises.
Even 50 years ago, a car that couldn't make it to the grocery store would have been seen as a failure. By then, cars had been making it to the store for the better part of a century just as rockets have been able to make it to space for the better part of a century now in 2023. My only question for Muskrats, what flavor is that Koolaid?
I think that designing the starship like a onion is better than, top down. Reason is the astronaut can be in the inside layer most of the time, then the next layer can be storage, and the final layer can be the life support system. Reasoning is that this reduces the need for installation of layers of radiation. protection
Thank you!
those sleeping pods reminds me of the futurama episode where fry had to live in benders apartment 🤣
The one that actually opened up to a huge space
Thank you for that look into a unique perspective of the latest poetential design of how the starship could be developed. I am curious why they do not put a half gravity spin on the starship to Mars so they are more comfortable and can use regular toilets with a half earth gravity and to let the astronauts do more studies and help keep their bones and muscles in shape when they get to Mars. IMHO
It perhaps may cause nausiness due to unvolontary additional rotations.
Lots of stuff going on inside the ship. Imagine the cost of building something like that and launching it!!! Awsome, as long as it goes better than last one. I hope it does but thats one heck of a loss if it goes down.
They are forgetting one thing. Escape pod in case of emergency escape for survival.
Unless there is a sister ship accompanying containing extra supplies and spare parts, I just cannot see how you can fit life support, food, exercise equipment, spare parts etc for a 20 month journey.
It's just impossible. The level of having just redundant equipment alone would take up an entire starship.
Actually now than I think of it, even one extra starship would not be enough, I would roughly guess 4, one for the crew, one just for food / water, one for fuel for the return journey and one for misc equipment, habitat (if not already there), solar panels etc.
Just the one ship to sustain them for 20 months?, not a chance in hell.
I wanna ask, why can’t they have the crew section rotating to simulate gravity and have the seats and beds on the walls?
Starts off promising A NEW reveal of "exactly" how the Starship will be configured, then proceeds to rehash old speculation and reuse old footage without a shread of new information.
Y'all at space X picking out furniture when you haven't even got a house yet.
Central core needs to be called a Jefferies tube
"The top floor is best suited for the command deck..." There's where atmospheric friction, heat and pressure will at its highest during ascent...so why is that floor best suited for the command deck? Personally, I think I'd put people performing critical functions on the decks that are easiest to make safe & comfortable; it's not obvious to me that that would be the top floor.
I like that big window
A fool's dream. With a window like that, as soon as the thing gets into space, Titan sub all over again...
gravity man run on mouse wheel his floor is the walls ?
you must look at what you make running wheel in linning of ship?
I think it is a good time to consider leveraging nuclear energy as a power source for space travel with the advancement of fusion as a potentially future viable option.
Firmly agree. I see nuclear/electric in the near future.
I bet the mars-going ship will use artificial gravity in one way or another. It'll probably be something as simple as making the ship rotate.
So some of what I assume are valid Questions and Statements I assume Kevin Are: (1)Should the “New Fuel source,(although I’d say it would and should only be used as a backup system;since it’s untried and has itself a range of unknown side-affects. But since this is a long journey with no,”If Only We Had!;.. ;situation’s should;”never”; arise due to the distance from home;inability to replace. The system should ONLY BE INCLUDED if it is Housed in an area where it stands absolutely 0’% chance of interacting with t 9:28 he Rocket s highly combustible and journey ending Fuel systems and or lines,in any Way Means or Form. The Above also applies to its effects on the astronauts,their food water etc. I think that it’s test version which I believe could still be run aboard; either The International Space Station,or one of the “Self-Inflating created,(&already tested side-unit pods,which could be added to The ISS solely as a test space;(left to run a simulation Moon&Mars run computer 🖥 course to test it for both conditions,even perhaps pushing it a bit here and there to test its Strengths and weaknesses. The Above could also be run aboard a fairly Down-stripped Dragon pod put in place on the side of the ISS to run its programs for longer than the expected time&pushing the system up to 10 or more times past its furthest “Past-acceptable range”. U need to be certain you know that you can push the system and to know it’s limits even better than things you’ve known for over 20 years. Then it’s always handy to carry both a 3D printer,as well as stock of every material used in construction,flight,re-construction,as well as Hybrid substances of both warm&cold platelet construction’s. IE. One may require to make and fit several lost heat tiles.3D created and replaced is an approach. Breaking down damaged tiles and reusing them again for reconstruction of same is a valuable “GARBAGE RE-DISPOSAL of material. Function is everything in space. Cover 365’ infinitum!! Don’t wish you had. You are headed to THE Unknown;”Hey you’re struck by a small meteorite object,(By Impact mathematical infraction; light Speed-/Helps Define;Speed Actual,Material,via impact-Breakup!(& There should be Enough Cameras,to somehow catch Every Impact, substance interaction,(All of which should be kept on The Computer “Onboard Computer System,” or by slowest 20-Second interaction with space systems internet and Starlink-Uplink. The same ship to ground should all be Starlink interacted since it’s A known and traceable system to its mainframe should it’s last known Triangulated point need exact exposure. Besides since it should be running the system to Fly The Rocket 🚀 on course&continually dancing information around the ship’s system’s to run for anything and everything. IE. The temp s things run at &everything conceivably else;etc. As for The “Make Me Look Good Tensile glass. That much is (1) Just Way too much Damn Glass &(2) Definitely introduces weak areas for both Heat and Implosion zones.(Hell,that sun out there is shouting an ironically timed piece. Rather be safe. Again I’d rather not be told halfway to the moon that there are 2 cracks in the plate glass area. “Who the hell really cares how it looks whilst in its most dangerous part of its journey. I’d rather just hear that it had safely made it there and landed safely. And even that it had fallen over,but because it didn’t have the regolith impressing glass. It survived as did all aboard. I’d much rather see Team SpaceX shoot for a much larger version of a functional,much larger “Starship-Dragon 1-“ what an absolutely marvellous piece of absolutely functional engineering that would be prove to be. One could create the most amazing useful,functional,spacious;luxurious; Landing vehicle which in itself could prove to be The best ever built Astronauts vehicle to the surface of the moon and Mars. Interacting with Starship like a Dream. It always struck me as strange why Elon never gave it consideration. Well those are some of today’s thoughts from the above shared piece. Thanks for the Interaction Kevin. I apologise for only responding to so few of your lengthy pieces valid points. Wish I had more time. Until the next one.
If you have a bladdy great window, how are you going to protect the crew from radiation? You need to cover the ship in electrified wires or a water blanket.
Radiation shielding needs to be addressed as it is a major hazard while in space and on Mars.
BWAAHAHAHAAA!!! Wait! I thought it was going to carry a thousand people and have restaurants and lecture halls. LOL!!!
As a senior, a trip to mars sounds miserable to me. In fact, not being able to bath or dispose of bodily waste is not something I want to deal with either. It seems it doesn't end with the spaceflight but extends on to mars or whatever habitable environment you choose. None the less, there will be those up to the challenge. The US is up against a tight time frame here with the Chinese bearing down on us. The moon is priority one with every thing else coming in second. I don't believe NASA will approve a lunar flight that doesn't include a way to evacuate the astronauts. If I were SX I would incorporate a facsimile of the Dragon capsule into the design of the Starship; like a third stage command module. In the event of a problem they just blow the third stage. Basically the Dragon is already human rated and has the means to save the astronauts. A further benefit could be the ability to launch from the moon into orbit or even back to earth. I watched the Challenger on TV and I knew then as I do now that those astronauts could have survived that horrible tragedy. When I watched the last test flight of the Starship and the failure of the Starship to detach from the well built Super Heavy as they twisted around, my mind went immediately to the Challenger. RIP