X-Rings: Making The Transition

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @arboristtycurrie1380
    @arboristtycurrie1380 6 лет назад +5

    I learned the same way, all old school all natural crotch. Good luck finding a climber in Idaho who isn't still on a Blake's if not on spurs and flip only. Made me quick with removals but I felt I needed more versatility. Had to learn that on my own. It's amazing how much we get stuck in one way of doing things because that's how we learned. But I like having depth so I'm always trying new things. Your channel has been a great source of new ideas and techniques for me. Thank you for that.

  • @rastusodanga
    @rastusodanga 5 лет назад +4

    Well put. I have incorporated rings more and more into my rigging over the last few years. For shallow angle redirects that are midline attachable I ocasionally use a 3/8" Tenex deadeye sling with a stainless steel clevis. It doesn't give you the friction that a ring would but it gives you another option.

  • @Moderndaylumberjack
    @Moderndaylumberjack 10 месяцев назад

    Bro I'm so glad i found your channel
    I learned the same way you did. Your really helping me out

  • @marcelobustamante925
    @marcelobustamante925 2 года назад

    I greatly appreciate all your teachings.

  • @Billster1955
    @Billster1955 2 года назад

    Thanks Patrick. I may end up trying out my 5/8 ultra sling with #2 thimble tomorrow. I'm removing a medium size oak tree with vary few branches up top.

  • @Bluecollar711
    @Bluecollar711 6 лет назад +3

    Don’t ever stop innovating brother

  • @SpiDermonkey2499
    @SpiDermonkey2499 4 года назад +1

    I’ve always heard it, climb high, cut small,live long haha but I like yours too! Stay safe boys!

  • @johndurant8687
    @johndurant8687 5 лет назад +4

    Patrick - I'm surprised you didn't mention the safebloc. I would love to see someone discuss the benefits of the safebloc use, and how to use rings when the anchor point is in doubt or questionable.

  • @havoc266
    @havoc266 5 лет назад +2

    Love rings myself! Usually I’ll set rings for my first and second rigging points and use an omni block for redirects!

  • @nkcwilliams
    @nkcwilliams 5 лет назад +1

    I cant wait for the rigging ring video. thanks for putting in time for these videos. They really do help. Thanks Nick

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  5 лет назад

      Yessir, it's a labor of love... thanks for being here! - Patrick

  • @jeremyblank3784
    @jeremyblank3784 5 лет назад

    Been climbing 23 yrs now been old school but I'm starting to expand my toybox so to speak very interesting subject matter great video stay safe and warm up there my friend

  • @66Cashius
    @66Cashius 6 лет назад +2

    Glad your back have not seen one of your videos in awhile

  • @seantomei3272
    @seantomei3272 6 лет назад +3

    Love your teaching vids. Would love to see how you plan then set up the rigging with rings.

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  6 лет назад +2

      Working on a rings video, just had to get this stuff off my chest.... - Patrick

  • @BAKERHUSKIE
    @BAKERHUSKIE 4 года назад +1

    I'm making a double ring sling for rigging. Will be first time using it. Thanks for the video

  • @arboristBlairGlenn
    @arboristBlairGlenn 6 лет назад +7

    I’m “Old School” but open for new ideas. Just don’t get too hung up on creatively getting the job done. Its all a process but “Old School” is still the choice we often see as best.

    • @cerberusbonsaiarboricultur774
      @cerberusbonsaiarboricultur774 5 лет назад +2

      Old school can mean tried&true and inherently be better, though in no way does that mean that something like rigging rings aren't inherently superior products. These types of 'revolutionary change' shake-ups have to be evaluated case-by-case, thankfully in this case the rings' win is pretty indisputable, to wit:
      - far stronger,
      - easier to achieve large bend-radiuses by using multiple-ringed slings (instead of 2-block setups)
      - WAY cheaper, way lighter, way more durable. You won't break the rings on your anchors anymore, you'll just break the rope ;)
      When I got into this, from the start the idea of using pulleys for shock-loads bothered me, a block's strength is really in a 2-dimensional plane, I would never put real loads on my 4" block w/o a swivel (in fact my swivel never leaves my block it's become a permanent attachment at this point), a single session comparing blocks to rings makes clear that rings are superior system-components, it's just a beautiful side-benefit that they're cheaper, lighter and longer-lasting!!! The reason these haven't been in use longer, well, the people that'd sell them are the same that sell the $500 blocks and make a killing, it's not hard to see why blocks are still pushed so hard especially to see blocks promoted the way they are still today, when so many pro's are just using their best blocks as paperweights. Blocks work, and they've got history, but they're simply not the best tool for the job they shine when you need to haul or lift something and that friction-free attribute is necessary, otherwise a moving-parts piece of expensive hardware is nonsense when these rings do anythign it could, but better! Unsure if you're familiar with the Safebloc but this ring-revolution phenomena is really making a difference, I solo rig a lot and the things you can do with a Safebloc are things you'd never fathom with a pulley, it really is a big deal Dave Driver deserves a lot of kudos for proselytizing these things!!

    • @batmantiss
      @batmantiss 4 года назад

      @@cerberusbonsaiarboricultur774 well said.

  • @jolkraeremeark6949
    @jolkraeremeark6949 6 лет назад +8

    Cool, just wish you would've shown some ring rigging.

    • @k2thah286
      @k2thah286 6 лет назад

      Jolkrae Mereark, I like to think this is the preamble 🤙

    • @lucfournier3939
      @lucfournier3939 6 лет назад +2

      Yeah imagine watching à cooking show on tv but not showing any food on camera. 😯

    • @philosborn1840
      @philosborn1840 6 лет назад +2

      He said earlier in the comments that he is working on a video to show rigging rings in use🇨🇦

    • @phillipcabaniss5028
      @phillipcabaniss5028 5 лет назад

      Totally agree! Can you please put a video together that can show some ring rigging?

  • @unddannkommtbierinsspiel
    @unddannkommtbierinsspiel 6 лет назад

    Got one for a few weeks now and I totally agree! If you have some of them you can easily rig branches without a friction device which safes a lot of time (and money). Also you as a climber can help your groundsmen with the rigging rope because the friction is near to your position. If you like using a carabiner for tying on branches or logs, a spliced eye at the end of the rigging is very comfortable :) Looking forward to the next videos, greetz from Germany!

  • @cerberusbonsaiarboricultur774
    @cerberusbonsaiarboricultur774 5 лет назад +2

    "Need to have a bunch" - 'Need' is a bit (well, WAY) strong of a word!!! You can successfully rig up to medium duty off single Lrg rings, certainly from single Beast/Xl rings, and if you use (2) of the Beast/XL rings it's as-good as ANY block on the market as a main/top anchor point! The 'need' to have a bunch is only a need when *expanding* their usage, when wanting multiple anchor-points so you can spread load (which woudl require multiple blocks if done the old way)
    Love the way you put it about friction although, on *your* channel, I'd have expected you to get a bit more nitty-gritty (ie making something safer by putting friction *after* the top/final anchor-point, as much friction as that short leg of rope from the device to your load can handle w/o snapping!)
    Would love to see you do more vids hell I'd happily watch lonnger, crudely edited stuff to get more content from you (yup, including your podcasts!), your Safebloc video was so short/such fluff I was disappointed because I'm just getting-into this stuff and I can't help but see that Safebloc as almost as-big a step up from rings-only rigging as the step-up from blocks to rings in the 1st place! Have you seen the loads that climbers, in-canopy, are cutting&catching by themselves with a single Safebloc? While I've seen people take multilpe wraps on one of the Bloc's holes, when used as top-anchor this can get dangerous real quick unless that bull line is way strong, however there's no reason a solo-rigger (or rigger with 1 groundie that wants to do what'd normally require 2 groundies) can't use *at least* 2 Safeblocs on most of their rigging systems, one up top and one as basal anchor, hell you could even splice two of them to the end of a sling (like the double-ringed X slings) for basal-anchoring so your rope could run through two whole blocks before it begins ascent up the tree - for example, that (maple I think?) that snapped on you in the cemetary, was a redirect anchor but IIRC it was still the 'main'/tallest anchor-point, I read your (outstanding) article of the incident and one thing kept coming to mind: I bet that if he'd had 2 or 3 Safeblocs configured in the right manner, he could've done an even heavier load w/o snapping that adjacent top", I mean if you'd had a Bloc as the anchor on the piece that snapped it would've done a lot for reducing stress at that point, and if you'd used one going up that (now-snapped) tree's trunk that'd be an even more controlled descent, I mean it's that peak-force when something's slowing that really causes the 'pop' (of limb, rope or whatever fails you), so far as I can tell there's no way a human groundie, using a bollard friction device (porta, RC-Stein, etc), can apply the same guaranteed-consistent friction a stationary block can.
    I've got a loose Bloc right now but planning to get more of them, I agree with you that getting more of these products is critical to a well-rounded rigging kit but for 'basic rigging' a 2-xl-rings x-sling will let you safely snub/catch logs up to the strength of the anchor-rope (3/4" tenex usually) and have tons of strength to spare, actually I'm eyeing my 3-ringed x-sling right now and while the XL doesn't have any ratings on it the two Lrg rings do, they are *individually* quoted at 14,000 SWL, that's just (1) of the Lrg rings, that's *more* strength than DMM's >$500, top-of-the-line block!! With the rings, I see it as "the hardware aspect is indestructible" and solely consider bend-radius for the rope that's to be run-through the anchorage, and what kinda strength the slings holding these rings have, but the rings themselves are never gonna break and hell just put my calipers to my XL/'Beast' ring and it's a clean 1.75", that's not an outstanding bend-radius but the nature of these makes 'stacking' incredibly simple, double-block rigging is fine but not remotely as simple to deploy (and two of those DMM blocks are $1k, you could literally afford a rigging kit with x-slings and 5/8" polydyne that'd let you snub 500lbs logs for less than that!!) It's the ease-of-splice, and taking advantage of these things' properties, that has me baffled that nobody's doing show-off videos (well I've found like 3 or 4) of how much they're rigging *by themselves*, in full control, by utilizing a Bloc - and am really surprised that nobody's got a double-Bloc sling, seems so obvious, hell for a guy like me who is mostly working solo I'm now thinking "instead of a Portawrap I'd rather have a dead-eye sling with 2 Blocs spliced to one of its ends", would let me set friction from the ground and know for-sure it was stuck at that level and, with 3 Bloc's worth of friction on the line (2 of them far-enough from the load, down at basal anchor) you should be able to control some seriously heavy, slow loads' descents!!!
    Thanks for all the great content, just recently found 'the treehouse' and loved your post Re certifications (and how much more important your work itself is!), really it's great that people like you are doing this it makes lets people like me progress SO much quicker (especially when you're not so timid as to hide your failures like most are, thought it was pretty telling of the kind of person you are that you didn't try hiding that failed anchor point in the cemetary - though if I'm watching vids correct it seems you were using rings that day, I'd love to know if the Safebloc was in-use on that cut and if so which position it was in, gonna have to rewatch but quite sure you can't see a Safebloc in the video that shows you in the crane when the thing actually snaps!

  • @somasabul3883
    @somasabul3883 4 года назад +1

    Really helpful; thanks. Do you read the constitution while in the canopy. Good book and short too..... just bought a bunch of rings and I don’t even climb. I rig my living room for the fun of it.

  • @derek5463
    @derek5463 5 лет назад +1

    I’ve been holding off on the rings. I like the Omni blocks and isc blocks. Have thought about getting rings to use with my 3/4 stable braid when doing large removals.

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  5 лет назад +2

      The real value of rings comes in using them in numbers. It would seem weird/overkill to use blocks or pulleys to set up fishing pole style rigging, but it totally makes sense with rings. Plus I love the added friction. But you do you brother. Thanks for watching! - Patrick

  • @Disciple-of-Jesus-c1
    @Disciple-of-Jesus-c1 4 года назад

    I love using a steel carabiner on a ultra sling works great you don’t have to pull the rope all the way threw

  • @hugogarcia3193
    @hugogarcia3193 3 года назад

    Am big fan...is there any video of how to avoid knots fron getting tight...or how to undo it

  • @Disciple-of-Jesus-c1
    @Disciple-of-Jesus-c1 4 года назад

    Rings are awesome but if you use a steel Catawba we on the end of your rigging rope u always to to take on and off to use also rings aren’t midline attachable, but they are hella smooth and save the rope

  • @DjeehBear
    @DjeehBear 6 лет назад +1

    Let's just try em!

  • @troyerthedestroyer
    @troyerthedestroyer 5 месяцев назад

    I use about 90% natural crotch rigging and honestly don't really see the point of rings at all, I'm not sure what I am missing?

  • @mattd6086
    @mattd6086 2 года назад

    Great video. So do you actually use the Pinto rig pulley for rigging? I see it’s 50kn but it’s also less than 2” wide. I’m researching this pulley and the rigging version even fits a 5/8 rope and yet it is also less than 2” wide. Most of what I see in videos shows it been used to tend slack or haul gear. Are people using that for light rigging, like branches but not heavy wood chunks? Keep up the good work, your content is super helpful.

  • @proxy7863
    @proxy7863 5 лет назад

    Totally agree, love the rigging rings!

  • @Michael-qj4vj
    @Michael-qj4vj 6 лет назад +1

    Could you make a video showing how/when to use them?

  • @Disciple-of-Jesus-c1
    @Disciple-of-Jesus-c1 4 года назад

    I love using an ultra sling with two 50 kn caribeaners as my ring

  • @jrstrange123
    @jrstrange123 5 лет назад

    Thought there would be a demonstration.

  • @nickbaker9607
    @nickbaker9607 2 года назад

    I read you can not use rings as a terminal rigging point. Is that true?

  • @xpumax1
    @xpumax1 3 года назад

    Thanks Patrick! I can't see de diferences between rings and polleys. Both of them do the same right?

  • @888HUSKERS
    @888HUSKERS 6 лет назад

    Can't wait for som demonstration video so we can see you highlight why.

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  6 лет назад +1

      All in good time my friend, all in good time... - Patrick

    • @888HUSKERS
      @888HUSKERS 6 лет назад +1

      EducatedClimber keep up the content, you inspire me even though I'm not doing this for a living and I stay on the ground. I got injured from being careless while hauling brush and logs, flipped out of a truck backwards sitting in the bed of a truck. Got over the hip injury back in early spring late winter so when I needed to fell my own tree I spent a ton of my downtime educating myself on rigging and safety even for us groundy guys. Monday I have shoulder surgery to repair damage to my shoulder and bicep from that incident early in the year. I'll be down and out so I'll be watching a lot of RUclips content because knowledge is power, with power comes responsibility, with time a little wisdom, and from injuries comes respect for power. Keep educating and innovating, climbing high, and smiling.

    • @climberguy8682
      @climberguy8682 5 лет назад +2

      @@888HUSKERS Really sorry to read of such a devastating collection of injuries. I hope your recovery is progressing well, and that you eventually regain all that you lost. I'm hoping none of this is permanent. Best wishes.

  • @kivaswander5537
    @kivaswander5537 5 лет назад +1

    I’m not trying to argue but what is the advantage of a ring over a pulley?

    • @climberguy8682
      @climberguy8682 5 лет назад

      I think it was David Driver, AKA the XMan, who first brought the friction rings to the attention of the tree climbing industry. I think if you look for his videos, it will explain the rational. I think having friction at the top of the tree with the rings is supposed to make the loads easier to handle for the ground guys using a bollard. It takes some of the forces away from the bottom of the tree an distributes it up top. That is my crude understanding, I need to go now and find the XMan's videos and see if I've missed some important points in this regard.
      Another reason guys like to use the rings is that they are so light compare to a block, and they feel free to toss them out of the tree onto soft ground when they are done with them, something they would never do with a block. I think also the introduction of friction up top might make self-rigging with no ground help easier to manage, as it will take some of the force off of the mini port-a-wrap, or whatever other device you choose to use for control of the lowering of the wood. The pulleys just pass all of the forces of the load on through to the lowering device, by comparison. I hope this helps.

  • @derek5463
    @derek5463 5 лет назад +1

    But for the cost of a ring you can have an omniblock which is midline attachable

    • @climberguy8682
      @climberguy8682 5 лет назад

      That is an interesting point. I've never really looked at the Omniblocks. What is it you like about them so much, versus other blocks? Thanks.

  • @stephenlawlor211
    @stephenlawlor211 6 лет назад +1

    Ooooo ! You georgous Man U !

  • @mvblitzyo
    @mvblitzyo 6 лет назад

    excellent !

  • @TreeTechLLC
    @TreeTechLLC 6 лет назад +1

    Hi. So I took the plunge sold off all my toys and put forth the effort and money to move forward...
    In fit of your videos I recently received my ultra sling 8' with large ring at the end....
    Here is my issue....
    The sling well made but I'm worried it will pick and be trashed in no time.... Compared to my cmi block and sling.... The older sling seems more durable.... What is you opinion on the tree stuff 3/4 ultra sling???

    • @TreeMuggs_PatrickM
      @TreeMuggs_PatrickM  6 лет назад +2

      My slings are the same hollow braid ropes as old-school whoopie slings that so many people use on their portawraps. Yes they can pick if they slide over rough bark. Not as big of an issue as it seems at first glance, in my opinion... - Patrick

  • @cris7382
    @cris7382 2 года назад

    👍👍👍

  • @LuisSanchez-lu4cu
    @LuisSanchez-lu4cu 5 лет назад

    Show how to..

  • @climberguy8682
    @climberguy8682 5 лет назад

    Hey, Patrick! Great video. Really interesting flash of insight you had about the natural crotches not being mid-line attachable either. I think David Driver brought the rigging rings to the attention of the tree industry, borrowed from the sailing industry, I think. He is also known as the XMan, I believe. I hope I'm not stepping on toes to post a link to a video in which he was working out the kinks in his prototype versions of the rings and his Safeblock. It is a bit of a long video, but very interesting, to me. Anyone who watches it should read his comments under the video before watching it. He's not a huge producer of video content, and really just threw this one together at the request of Mark Chisholm, in conjunction with an article he wrote for the TreeBuzz forum website. Here's a link to the video.
    ruclips.net/video/xyL6Ex5vY_Y/видео.html
    I'm not sure why, but if this video fails to start at the beginning, just pause it and back it up to the start. It is well worth watching.

  • @johncitizen3227
    @johncitizen3227 4 года назад

    🙌👍

  • @JasonSmith-xo9qr
    @JasonSmith-xo9qr 6 лет назад +1

    Paul Bunion disliked this video. Listen old buddy the double bit was replaced for felling so too has gone by the take a wrap this should work days.