Makeshift Fire Extinguisher RPG Warheads In Ukraine
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2023
- In December 2022, images of an interesting new craft-made munition began to surface in Ukraine. Chechen troops in Bakhmut have improvised an RPG-7 warhead made from the body of a small fire extinguisher.
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Are you not the narrator that dose the ghost story thing 🤔
It's strange that the west is pushing so much money into this war , but it's only going into the pockets of the the tribe behind it, the Ukraine revolution was funded by Rothchilds front man George Sorros, Zelensky is an actor dancing in high heels , pushed by his boss to do this job , all off these parasitic psychopaths have one thing in common they are zionist Jews. Research who funded the Russian revolution and the Holodomore, then just listen to Barbara Lerner Spectre.
The reason they left the warhead painted red is that it makes the rocket go faster.
WAAAGH!
When 40K references go too far.
I wasn't expecting this XD
Ha!
Then give that thing 2 racing stripes also!
My first thought when I saw the title was that using RPG to put out a fire was batshit insane but this makes more sense.
exactly what I thought, firing these canisters in hard to reach places or when firefighting is not practicable. Who knows, it may even work, though if someone survived the bomb that put the house ablaze, the CO2 will suffocate them..
Just imagine your local fire department pulling up and shooting fire extinguishers from RPGs to put out the flame.
@@mollyuwu5718 ye ole Chechen special
You know this is an idea that might be crazzy enough to work. Fire a bigg granade filled with fire supressing materials at a burning building is something we shuld take a closer look at
It's not so daft. Oil Well fires have been extinguished using high explosive for many years now. The initial blast and subsequent removal of oxygen from the surrounding area removes the ignition source for the fire. Just google Red Adair, he was a Texan Oil Man who specialised in Well head fires.
Highlights what a flexible platform RPG-7 launcher is.
It does, the rounds using mortar bombs are equally interesting. Thanks for watching!
My favorite RPG ghetto engineering is the AGI 3x40, a romanian triple tubed RPG-7 with a bipod, ripple firing rounds as a "flamethrower", possibly incendiary ammunition.
Agreed, shame the US doesn't have the same philosophy of weapons where FUNCTION IS PRIORITY and profit is second.
@@jessemills3845 The US has a copy of the RPG but with added rails for sights and a better trigger.
Originally intended for equipping the Iraqui Army.
I suspect it's commonly used in Ukraine today too.
One could say the Carl Gustav is also equally versatile and rugged and basically all the western militaries including the US uses it.
@@jessemills3845 Carl Gustaf, M72 LAW and M202 Flash would like to ask
They must've used a lot of these extinguishers during all the airstrikes. Ingenious way of giving the canisters a second life.
I watched a documentary about collectors melting the explosives out of old ww2 weapons they find in the forests of Europe using pots of hot water and thought that Ukrainians could do that with landmindes they recover from Russian minefields and fill pipes with them. Then I saw drone operators filling their drone bomblets with some jelly looking explosives and thought that was probably what they were doing.
@@excitedbox5705probably blasting gel which can be self detonating but is more safe than nitroglycerin
I've read some memoirs of Chechen fighters from the Ist and 2nd Chechen wars - they liked to modify RPG warheads, sometimes with mixed results. It may have something to do with instructions given by Mujahedeen fighters from the Afgan War. They removed self-destruction devices, so the warhead shot at helicopters from the mountains exploded even when missing a target, giving pilots the impression that they were attacked by MANPADS.
Edit: As Joshua and Anthony rightly pointed out, the self-detonation device wasn't removed, but the grenade was detonated by it at maximum range.
I'm not sure I understand? Why would that make the warhead explode without contact?
i think you got it around. Mujahideen fire the RPG in maximum ranges and since RPG rockets have a self detonation distance they promptly use it as de facto flak cannon or what you said an impression of a MANPAD
@@joshuajoaquin5099 Hi Josh, you are right. Thank you for spotting my mistake.
@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 no problem but im surprised that you knew the RPG technique even if its other way around
@@joshuajoaquin5099 I'm a bookworm 🤓
Another great insight into the ingenuity of the troops on the frontlines in Ukraine.
Thanks Rob!
@@thePavuk What do you mean? Those chechens are fighting on the ukrainian side, against russians.
@@aragon2552 I missed that battalion description line in the intro. I removed old comment.
@@thePavuk All good, I thought they were russian chechens first as well.
@@aragon2552 doesn’t matter. Saw a vid of some Russian who put grenades on his rpg 😂😂😂. RPG is eternal.
If you are fighting close range hordes of enemies, this kind of weapon does make sense.
I think this is much better suited for neutralizing enemy units which are hiding in a room of a building in urban areas (as described in the video). In this case, that room and everything inside it, aswell as adjacent building construction simply cease to exist.
You could probably partially collapse an average residential house with this amount of explosives, bc it's essentially a mine shell on steroids.
"Hordes"
"Hordes of enemies" in this case is pretty accurate for situation arond Bahmut. As Ukrainian spokesman said: "The only way I can describe it is - zombie apocalypse". Waves of soldiers running towards machineguns. Sometimes it's a bit more reasonable, yet stupid anyway - send some soldiers with spades, they start entraching themselves, then Ukrainians take them out. Russians send next crew, who continue digging, and... If one has a lot of people, it is possible to make a new trench system closer to enemy this way, problem being - Russia is big, but not infinitely big, they got only 3,5 times population that of Ukraine.
It seems to me to be a 21st century version of a panzerfaust in it's capacity of clearing out buildings and blasting holes in walls before moving in.
@@TotalRookie_LV do you really take this seriously? They have been saying this since the beginning of the urban battles, but Russia would be out of troops by now if they did.
Here is a hint, when someone talks about hordes of seemingly inhuman foes (zombies, orcs, whatever) climbing over the bodies of the dead, they are 1) fascists and 2) losing.
that and the hell cannon are two of the coolest ideas ive seen
Two shells landed on Mountbatten Green, a grassed area near the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.[2][7] One exploded and the other failed to detonate.[9] The third shell exploded in the back garden of 10 Downing Street, 30 yards (27 m) from the Cabinet Office, where the meeting was being held.[7][10] Had the shell struck 10 Downing Street itself, it is likely the entire cabinet would have been killed.[10][11] On hearing the explosion, the cabinet ducked under the table for cover. Bomb-proof netting on the windows of the Cabinet Office muffled the force of the explosion, which scorched the back wall of the building, smashed windows and made a crater several feet deep in the garden.[2][3][12]
IRA's 'Barrack Buster'.
Volcano rockets.
hell cannon is on another level lmfaoo
Syrian pirate cannon was pretty bad ass too.
Compared to the skinny OG-7V projectiles you could fit a pretty mean fragmentation liner made of scored wire sections, bearing balls and god knows what else and still have room for a weighty filler. I'd imagine the body of the extinguisher itself is mostly there to hold it all together and protect the internal parts from weather and rough handling and the fragmentation of the cylinder is secondary but a bonus, they haven't heat treated it to make it more brittle as it would've removed the original paint and/or labels which are still visible. Maybe a fire extinguisher/security warehouse wound up having it's stock commandeered for the war effort, one can only speculate, thanks for the insight though
Yes indeed, good points. Thank you for watching.
Except for the limited range, and being homemade brings the risks of it instantly exploding when you launch it
@@xXrandomryzeXx The payoff for being able to project a usefully large fragmentation warhead through a window into a building or into a trenchline is very careful handling of the fuzing element. That said the process of firing these likely isn't that violent for the projectile compared to the crushing forces over the timescale the fuze is expected to operate over. I wouldn't worry too much about the range, the OG-7V projectiles didn't even come with a motor, likely owing to the range they're expected to be used at being pretty close compared to firing at relatively large vehicles.
@@xXrandomryzeXx They are using factory motors and fuses, so I imagine the risk of a kaboom on launch is fairly small.
There is a huge number of abandoned, damaged and destroyed vehicles and cars across Ukraine. In normal times it would be regulation for all of them to have fire extinguishers. This is a likely source for a lot of them given the size.
Fire extinguisher can probably be found in most buildings or used once from the scrappy.
Now, that's what you call resourceful. This is so cool!
I’m surprised they’re using these fuses. The ‘Minsk Mortar’ round makes use of mortar fuses, which you might expect to require less inertia (or set back) than the fuse for a tank projectile. I wonder what the failure rate for the fire extinguishers might be as a result?
They may well be using those fuzes too. As for failure rate I'm not sure, I did try and contact the Battalion but didn't hear back before publishing. Thanks for watching!
The ones the guy shot near the end of the video all seemed to explode just fine so probably less problems then we’d think.
@@fourtysix4646 Maybe. I couldn’t see what fuzes he was using, and it’s not a statistically significant sample on which to judge failure rates. Given that quite a lot of ordnance (especially former Warsaw Pact stuff) fails when it’s used exactly as intended, using it in an improvised manner is hardly likely to improve things.
FUZES.
@@frankschultz4170 yes you’re quite right. Damned autocorrect!
I think I saw a while back that some Ukrainian troops were attaching mortar rounds on RPG-7 rocket motors in a way very similar to what we see here.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
I remember seeing those as well. Saves anti-armor rounds when you’re just concerned with infantry probably.
Invention of ISIS
I would say they are using M112 C4 demolition blocks, likely melted and cast as the filler, as these were provided in great numbers. Civilian pressure canisters are usually made to rupture at predetermined points as a safety feature, at least this is the case with propane balloons, forming very large pieces.
The shape and size is almost identical to the TBG-7V thermobaric round, but the filler weight and the added fragmentation material likely result in a far greater mass.
And these shell fuzes must've been jury rigged in some manner as the absence of both velocity or rotation would render most high bore HE fuzes inert due to built in safeties. Another issue, besides the whole "glued on fuze" part is that the rounded shoulders of the canister will mean plenty of ricochet.
These will likely produce plenty of UXO, but on the bright side, the red canisters are at least easy to spot?
Do these fuzes have a self destruct system? Even as low as 23mm in the USSR had a time delayed self destruct feature for safety.
@@KorianHUN Usually no. The inertia functionality would fulfill this role in a sense. In case of the V-429E, if the protective cap is removed and the fuze is set to "O" superquick, it should be highly sensitive, but that is about it.
Interesting points thank you. Yes, they may well be using other fuzes too, it's difficult to tell.
you gave a pretty good description. LAST thing u want is a ricochet, unless the fuse hits first...
@@Steve-mr5un the problem with that is that if you even bump it, the fuse might go off. Imagine holding one & your vehicle hits a pothole 😳😖😳...
I never cease to be impressed by this contributor's astonishingly detailed and broad knowledge of weaponry.
Very interesting, thanks for making this!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching Matt
Amazing. We heard "fire extinguisher," and the Chechens heard "fire the Extinguisher."
It always amazes me at the human ingenuity when it comes to killing each other.
If all they have are shape charge warheads, this is a way they can use the motor from them to create a concussion/HE weapon out of it.
Exactly. Thanks for watching.
Looks like something I would make as a kid, haha.
That firing video shows a rather decent size detonation. If the body really has half shrapnel in it, that is a lot of random garbage flying all over the place in the target area. I bet it is indeed very effective for anti-personnel.
OG7V is a very small warhead compared to this. I guess the larger thermobaric rounds are hard to come by? If so this makes a lot of sense
At first I honestly thought they were using these to rapidly put out fires rather than improvised explosives.
Nice to see Grunts and Crafts is still going
Grunts and crafts!!! TOTALLY stealing that!
"Necessity is the mother of invention." Or as anyone who has been in combat, "Necessity is a mother...".
Absolutely brilliant, that's what you call impressive.
Nice work and presentation!
Send them more empy cans of this, this is really good
I would not want to be on the wrong end of that.
Russia: our troops are burning with bravery
Ukraine: we have something against this firehazard
It clearly demonstrates how close they are to each other.
I love seeing the evolution of infantry
Use of it mirrors soviet use of captured panzerfaust RPG not so much for AT use but for demolition of buildings, breach of walls etc. Portable short range artillery if you will .
Over the last while we have seen modified vog-17 grenades, grenades taped to rpg's, mortor rounds afixed to rpg's rocket motor with adapters, POM2 landmines being distributed via a rpg...
So a heavier blast warhead, I'm not surprised...
Fucking ingenious....use what's at hand ..
A poor man's Uka-rus katyusha rocket.
🤣🤣🤣 Exactly. Saw the PRG with grenades and mines and thought I was in fever dream. 😂
Surprised how easy and effective it is. Great video
Orders 100 fire extinguishers, stipulates that they're empty.
those plus shrapnel rings would go crazy
I guess when they don't have HE, they have to make their own.
If it works , it works. Bet those extinguisher can build up alot of pressure before going boom 💥
yea makes sense if you don't need the same range you can make a larger warhead.
Looks like they drilled through the extinguisher and pushed a OG-7V through it. Then filled the space.
This is some fallout level stuff right here
Any determined force improvises towards the most destructive weaponry it can field, I guess these may have been employed in the Chechen independence wars..? Also, I bet the red charge looks cool as it flies, and now I wanna see two of these strapped to a m/c, like 'Ryker' in 'Warlord'...
Imagine a drone-dropped version. A mini barrel-bomb
Very interesting developments!👍
I heard you need fire support, here use one of these to put it out.
Seen 60mm mortar rounds on RPGs as well. Toward the end of the Soviet era they were making anti personnel warheads but these field modifications may be more effective.
Looks like that very last explosion shown had a nice secondary. Wonder what they set off
Tks for sharing this! Am constantly blown away by the Ukrainian’s resourcefulness and innovation! Slava Ukraini! Heroyam Slava! 🇨🇦🫶🏻🇺🇦
Ya gotta love improv
I´ve also seen mortar ammo being used in SPG rounds (not RPG), that's uncommon, in RPG rounds I´ve seen many adapted, but recently a video of the Sheikh Mansur Battalion popped up where they are using them on SPG-9 ammunition
I imagine it's rather unsurprising to them that it's more effective in anti-personnel roles. Any other warhead that they usually use has some sort of conical shape charge that takes up parts of the overall mass and density of the whole warhead. Sometimes all you need is just enough of a boom to create overwhelming pressure on targets you're shooting at. These things seem to hit with a rightful fuckin boom, and with it's obviously shorter range and bigger explosion from the 1st person tiktok video really go to show what sort of punch they pack.
They are probably using them for anti-structure/anti-fortification purposess. Fragmentation RPGs don't do much damage to the building or anyone who isn't line of sight from the explosion. One of these has enough explosive to take out small buildings and portions of larger buildings.
Exactly, I think that's exactly the use for them. Thanks for watching
I guess I'm surprised we don't see more factory produced modular payload for the RPG-7. One with the airburst fuze like on the CG84 HE round would be rather nice. I have also an old memory of seeing some african rebels somewhere (may have been Chadians ?) rigging two empty and bottomless tin cans to a regular PG-7 warhead. I'd imagine the fragments would have been rather nasty but the effective range would have been barely good enough for a knife fight. Though Chadians tend not to mind that too much.
The one that was wielded had a double explosion.
I've read a comment or two here that criticizes the Ukrainian military for removing the original PG-7 warheads and replacing them with improvised warheads made from fire extinguisher bodies. I urge those who immediately criticized the fire extinguisher refit to remember that Ukraine now has a very well-established supply system for FPV drones, fitted with PG-7 warheads, to make them into suicide drones. The use of fire extinguishers is likely because there were a lot of rocket motor sections left after the FPV drones were upgraded to become suicide drones.
Wow. Now I will see fire extinguishers as RPGs forever unseen type style there
These wouldn't look out of place in a Fallout game. I know war shouldn't be romanticized, but some of the weapons coming from this conflict have such a cool vibe
I want to see those RPG Fire extinguishers in Battlefield and COD in the future lol..
What can you say, war leads to innovation.
Never ceases to amaze me how incredibly inventive and clever people really can be. Some folks have amazing abilities to think outside the box and produce whatever is required out of common materials. No massive armament supplier extracting zillions of taxpayer dollars from the government to make the same device (it just looks prettier yet does the same job). Just a few smart and motivated people to solve the problem at hand simply and cheaply!
Similar example of powerful "amateur" weapons would be the EFP weapons made by various insurgents. Can kill armour as well as any super expensive factory made device yet made at home with locally acquired components. People are scarily clever when they want to be!
It reminds me of some of the makeshift weapons that can be crafted in Fallout!
The extinguisher body's could come from houses in the combat zone or could be emptys used to put out fire's in Kiev.
Another commenter noted that it was once the law for all vehicles to have a fire extinguisher in them. Now that there are a great deal of destroyed, unusable, and abandoned civilian vehicles around, this would be an easy source of fire extinguishers.
@@AdamOwenBrowning I would have to ask a friend in Sumy but i'm pretty sure it is not or was not law to carry one . The majority of people don't wear seat belts and texting or talking on your phone when driving is compulsory . It is a bi unnerving until you get used to it
Good report
At first I thought they must be real desperate. Then I realized how much more powerful this is than the factory made anti-prsonell rocket. Definetly much better in this static warfare.
This could actually be a pretty decent Idea to have factory produced version. Great direct fire support for poor countries who cant afford tanks or IFV.
better than ,,Fallout" series weapons improvisations.
Someone should make a mod
Very cool
The fire distinguisher
Reminds me of those type 69 RPG that PLA firefighters use
Forget about the Leopard 2 or the Challenger 2. Send them some RPG ammunition. You can get like 100k RPG rounds for the cost of a single Leopard 2.
The issue there is probably supply, not sure how much RPG-7 ammo gets made in the West. That’s why they’re using so many LAWs and AT4s because they pull older units out of stocks and ship them with minimal fuss.
@@cm275 probably is. Countries that make a lot of RPG-7 rockets like Vietnam won't sell them to anyone.
Several countries making RPG-7 rounds already supply Ukraine. Off the top of my head, Poland, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Romania. The more the merrier though.
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It's actually cool when you break it down It looks goofy when you first see it
That looks like a 15m kill radius
That's pretty badass
We haven't seen the last of what epoxy, rocket motors and ingenuity can produce...
These guys are rocking up with the Gary's Mod Special
I'm more curious about the 82 mm mortars attached to RPG-7 rockets, but in general there is a need for better direct fire fragmentation weapons. We might see rpg factories adapt production before the end of the war.
There are nlaws but they are western...
The og frag rounds are way smart lol this looks scary
This remind me of hell mortar that used propane cannister as projectile in syria
Man-portable Hell Cannon
0:24
Dude legit just swept his friend with his rifle... pointing it right at his head
Look who acctually is fighting with shovels
At least fire extinguishers are a safe pressure vessel to weld
Whatever it takes to win
" If it's painted red it will explode, da? "
They are also useful in other types of weapons like mortars and rockets. The size is very convenient..
Necessity is the mother of all inventions
Cool.
It would probably work as an indirect fire weapon without the sustsiner motor using just the booster.
82mm mortar rounds have been mated to boosters too and used in indirect fire at short range.
That's one big grenade.
Indeed it is a fire extinguishers
Two questions:
1. How come they have the motors and fuzes to make these?
2. How come they use these instead of mortars?
They take the motors and fuzes from AT rounds and these are for the anti-personnel role. They were in need of close range AP rounds.
Looks like big boom💪🏻
Seems like it's going well
from stoppoing fires to making fires
James Bond’s ‘Shaken, Not Stirred’ battalion
Not much for putting out fires, but one hell of a door knocker LOL
The AFU seem far more creative at war craft than their invading opponents !
If they are using fuses from RPGs where they get the rocket motor, then those often do not have arming distances. Take the bottle cap off and that is it... it's armed. Bump the plunger on anything and it will go off. Eastern Europeans have a whole different attitude toward safety. They also have a whole different attitude toward war and tactics. It's like watching the Special Olympics of war fighting.
2:23 and 3:50 its about to surprise the reporter and Chechen guy as well, well as demonstrate both effectiveness of the round, why you dont fire RPG inside the building (back blast), well as reason why you never hold finger on the trigger unless you have identified target, whats around it and you are ready to destroy the target.
This is much like the TBG-7 round available for the RPG-7 already, except that one is thermobaric. I wonder if there's a thermobaric version the fire extinguisher round, or if it's a bit too complicated to get working with the tools at their disposal?
I think it's pretty complicated to get the math right on the specific size of the dispersal charge to disperse the fuel into the right sized cloud of mist/droplets then ignite it at just the right time to touch it off when it's likely going to produce the most yield, and have it operate reliably at different temperatures. You can boost conventional explosives with diesel fuel or similar to some degree with good construction but it's a finicky process to touch off just the right mixture of air and fuel- too early and it's too rich, doesn't burn completely and you lose yield, too late and it might be too lean or too dispersed to ignite with full yield or ignite at all. It's an interesting thing to look at but it's much easier to use conventional factory-made explosives to do the same job.