It’s more about principle rather than “I don’t care “. If it’s advertising a product with Quantum Dot, it better be there or it’s false advertising. Imagine buying a car advertising a V8 engine, but has a 4 cylinder under the hood. You get me.
FOMO please keep us updated on the TCL QD situation. I bought one of the affected models as a temporary solution (currently waiting for B9 prices to drop). I've always thought the colours looked a bit bland and expected more from a QD tv.
Yeah i must say If a company is advertising something and they don't really have it then it's false advertisement. They should use different wording If they want to market something to fool people..
Maybe they say it had QD in order to bump the price. The lie of scam is the issue, even if it's good without it. That destroys the brands' trust claim to anything that is not included.
Samsung scams for years and no one says anything, this year they mix the ad oled panels with the wrgb oled panels and some people buy a tv with the lg panel thinking its qd oled.
I live in europe and i have had the c755 for the last months, in case people got anxious that the product is a scam or whatever, the product remains a great value for money choice with very good picture quality. I appreciate FOMO shedding some light into this, and I would be happy to answer people's questions regarding the product
@@PcGamingForFun In games its working perfectly, the only motion issues are sometimes in slow moving scenes in movies but you can mitigate it by putting judger around 2-3 and motion blur around 2 (not higher because you get soap opera effect). After i put the motion settings like it I havent really noticed any issues
I have TCL C805 this is the same to TCL C755 and my TV is totally lousy when it comes to displaying motion pictures, and I've never seen such a bad TV in my life. If I watch ski jumping on a program that has a signal from an external antenna, it's a disaster because you see more skis in the air, which I've never seen on any other TV. Even when viewing from most applications, the image movement is poor. I will certainly never buy anything from TCL again and for me Hisense is a hundred times better than TCL.
@@easyrider76 I have used several models of C805(C755), the motion issue is mostly fixed by adjusting motion blur and judger around 2 or 3, not higher cause it creates soap opera effect. The TV is a beast regarding Picture quality and the only issue with the motion is heavily reduced to almost non noticeable. If with these setting s you still experience the same issue it might be an isssue due to the low quality signal from antenna.
@@FFROM5726 DV could even be 24-bit, your eyes must tell the difference and in this case, true 10 bit are “perfect” and you will see zero difference to 12 bit. But there are false 10 bit panels (8 bit with dithering, advertised as 10 bit) and on those, you can perfectly see the difference. 12-bit vs 10 bit there is absolutely no perceived difference.
In my country of New Zealand, we are protected from stuff like this happening with our consumers guarantee act. An item has to be advertised properly and has to have everything advertised on it or it is classed as false and misleading. If a device does not have, what was it advertised, you can request a refund for the full price, even years later after finding that they false advertised. We have that model TCL C755 here too so TCL are taking a huge risk over here if they are misleading customers. Also, in our country in the consumers guarantee act, a new TV or new device has to last for a reasonable time frame without that item breaking down (What a reasonable time frame is in years can be debatable) but I have seen people push the boundaries for TVs over 5 years old and getting warranty fixes claiming 5 years isn't a reasonable time frame for it to break down. Extended Warranties over here are a waste of time because of this but the electronic stores selling TVs etc still try to sell them to customers who are not aware of the consumers guarantees act which protects them anyway.
I dont think that TCL cares. Look at Amazon. No matter if EU, NZ or anything. Amazon Products always lie in some way haha. TCL customers probably wont even really know what that means. When one buys TCL they want two things. Big. And cheap. Thats it. Yeah they have to give a refund. But big tech giants and cheap china companies count on the fact that there are still enough people who wont notice in real scams like on Amazon or more or less shady offerings like with many Chinese brands
Tandem OLED actually has me very excited for OLED. If an OLED can hit 500 nits to 1000 nits on a 100% full white screen, it will be almost endgame. At that point, mproving it further comes down to driver boards annd refresh rates. If you could subfield drive an OLED with 480hz that would mean 2ms of image persistence, and the picture would have that brightness. I would absolutely buy a 32 inch 1440p or 4k panel with a 480hz refresh rate if it had tandem OLED with 1000 nits full field.
That’s the dream. It seems we’re still quite a few years away from seeing it on TVs, much less monitors. Which sucks because boy these current OLED gaming monitors sure are disappointing
Same bro. When I can get a 480 Hz 4k OLED then I will upgrade from my current 120hz panel. And sure the Tandem sound good but it will probably be quite expensive at first. And I don't need it. I watch in a light controled room and my old OLED is already plenty bright.
As guy who help people to chose TV's in different costumers forums, i can say that they are CARE about QLED/QD or not, because the prices are so close that these futures are what make difference between to chose or not some TV. If TCL lies about QLEDs that is huge deal, because we caught them lying about the peak brightness of their new models, here in Europe, now they lie about the quantum dots too..... not good.. TCL... not good..
I just bought an 85 C755 here in Costa Rica for $2000 (a month ago), and yes, you are right, I never cared about the QD branding. My second option was a 77 S90D for $5000 (but that's too overpriced). I just wanted to upgrade the size without losing so much from my previous theater room TV (LG G2). So, I valued the price, panel brightness, dimming zones, contrast, and compatibility (DV, HDR+, DOLBY, and DTS) more than the "QD" branding. Of course, the blacks will never be at the level of my G2, but for my theater room conditions, I think the size and the brightness are more important. So, imagine that for a normal consumer, the QD branding will mean nothing.
hey fomo! love your vids. your mic is making you sound a little underwater, not sure if there’s any settings on it you can tweak to make it pick up your voice a little clearer
Instead of QD it's QW. Quantum Where'ditGO. I have a home theatre receiver with Polk speakers, but I've considered going to soundbar something to be smaller and cleaner. The older I get the less interested I am in rattling the windows with a movie.
This isn’t the “Corinthian leather” marketing. It’s advertising a specific technology. How would you feel if it advertised Dolby Vision, but it didn’t have it built in. It doesn’t matter if the average consumer can’t tell the difference it’s a specific thing advertised to sell the product.
I have this TV since September 2023. It's branded as the TCL C805K here in the UK. The picture is better than my Other TV which is a Samsung 4K UHD TV. Its just a matter of how you play with the picture settings to have a better picture quality. In 4K HDR10+ and Dolby Vision movies and shows, it really shines, I can say it's a bit close to Samsung S90C as long as its calibrated right.
Ars Technica has an article about the TCL quantum dot controversy that states that less expensive QLED LCD TVs could use a mix of quantum dots and phosphor to convert blue light into red and green light, but this results in worse brightness, color gamut, and color purity than using pure quantum dots for color conversion. This could lead to TCL being right about the presence of quantum dots and not committing false advertising despite having quantum dots at undetectably low concentrations. Another possibility raised in the article is that quality control failed to catch displays without quantum dots. However, if I link to the article, the anti spam filter might falsely nuke my post as spam.
C755 is still pretty costly in my region. Would prefer it actually had QD colors. But i think the article specially mentions some TV's may not have them (so the review unit you get would be better, but then the actual product bought by customers will be completely different)
I just recently purchased a 55" TCL QM751 which is VERY similar (externally indistinguishable, but with a lower refresh rate) to one of the models in the Korean report. Do we know if the three in the report were the only models tested, or did others pass? I hope someone will test the color spectrum of models sold in the US to determine if they have suitable levels of QDs. I recall that the weakness Rtings pointed out with regard to the QM7 was with color calibration, and I have had some difficulty achieving the picture I am seeking.
I find it strange the Chinese govt subsidizing tcl and hisense.. to improve display technology and at the same time offer them much less.. that makes sense why there better priced.. but what's the endgame here???
Qled is marketing, quantum dot means better picture. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to buy an expensive tv without them or a tv with a sub pixel that’s only white.
Those quad Sony surround speakers are huge. I wouldn’t want them in my living room. The Saturn system looks much more palatable if they can duplicate a similar sound.
I think you're missing the bigger picture here. It's not so much whether the TCL is a great tv capable of going toe to toe with the Samsung Q80. It's the fact that TCL is MISREPRESENTING the product and that's NOT Ok. It's a question of ethics and I don't believe in supporting companies or buying products from companies whose values and practices include misrepresentation in order to gain a competitive advantage.
I’m the percentage that does not care in the slightest. I want a tv that is both affordable and looks good. I don’t care about ethics. This bit of knowledge isn’t going to suddenly make everyone’s tv look worse. I understand there’s no reason for blatant false advertisement but again, if it looks good I’m gonna buy it.
I have the sony theater quad now for about 4 month now and i love it and before i had the sony ht-a9. And the quad is a big improvement you don't even have to buy the sub for good base. But if u want 1 the SA-SW3 is good enough. both sound where connect to a sony 55-a90j as a center speaker
The TCL sound bar. Simple answer, depends what it sound slike. Anthem MRX 740 8K $US3100 but you need to add a couple of speakers to get 7.1.2 to your old 5.1 system. So maybe US$5000, twice the Sony.
FOMO, let's not forget here that there is also another shoe out there that hasn't quite dropped yet: Dolby FlexConnect. Those speakers (when paired with a supporting new FlexConnect enabled TV or one with an aftermarket transponder device) will allow you to effectively do this exact same thing with the flexibility to "grow as you go". With FlexConect, once you have a FlexConnect enabled TV, you can go out and by one, three or even fifteen wireless speakers that you can add to your TV setup as you like. Those speakers are likely to see from anywhere from $75 on up to $400 depending on how big, fancy and powerful you need/want them to be. FlexConnect, and its competitor from DTS called PlayFi, have the potential to completely upend the ENTIRE soundbar market by offering increased flexibility and an affordable starting price point.
well i just got qm7 , my neighbor has a big dollar tv , won't name the brand, but he just ordered a qm8 and 7 for his shop and paid less than his super tv and he was so impressed he sold his tv and had 300 to burn. price and performance , who cares what is behind the screen it works well. better than my last samsung by far, and ive had big dollar samsung since projection. there quality has vanished. and good luck getting them fixed, bought my q7 cheaper than it was to fix it. bs price means nothing nor name everything is throw away junk, but i will say my projection samsung still going strong hence cheap bulbs now and i bought the last few power supply boards there was. all other samsung in the trash but that is electronics these days. ho o
Great episode! I bought a C855 2 months ago. The C755 looked pretty good, and I was wondering why the hell I was buying the 855. Next to a competing panel, the 855 was slightly better. It's not perfect (some screen and motion etc), but its also a lot cheaper than a Sony bravia. Hilarious about the QD. It would be misleading if that's the case, but if not, then sparks could fly 😂
Yes we do care FOMO. You trying to downplay marketing fraud we know you got a softspot for TCL and Hisense all the time. QD LED and QD OLED etc are big marketing deals that definitely influence consumer choice. Especially people that buy cheap TVs because they are the least knowledgeable so more easily fooled. It matters on principle and matters in advertising. It's fraudulent. If we didn't care in cheap models, then why not start doing it in higher end models.
I thought Quantum dots were characterized by the way they work (emit light when stimulated by other light source or by electrical current and having purer colors) and not by the materials used.
I'm not an average consumer but an enthusiastil and I know what quantum dots are and I would definitely look for quantum dots because it means lower power and higher color gamut ... But if TCL can make a high gamut TV without dots thats fine! ... I couldn't see much diff from my samsung 52ln850b (2008, high gamut, 450 nits) and vizio quantum x 2019 @2000 nits with dots, on my favorite youtube 4k video (beautiful scotland) ...
Hey Fomo, when do you think tvs will reach diminishing returns to the human eye, is it after we get 1000 nits full color spectrum, 1000 nits full panel oled brightness? Or is it gonna be a massive jump in a tvs peak nits say 10,000? Just waiting for blue pholed at this point.
For MINILED, we're already there as far as the top TVs like QM7 - diminishing returns from QM7 to QM8 to Bravia 9 for most movie/streaming/sports content. Remember it's all about the content and if content is graded way below 1000 nits as currently then it's pointless for a TV to perform beyond where they are now. Obviously we expect future HDR content to exceed 2000 nits of specular highlight but that's still years off. Would be nice if OLED full screen can be above 500 nits (twice current brightness) and I think that's more than good enough for future movies to support bright HDR
Wait Pholed is here already?🤣🤣 Phosphorescent is massive-like 4x efficiency which will give bigtime brightness without the power consumption and head production!
The hisensse brings competition. The Sony barely does atmo or surround. With competition I expect there to be a 6 speaker set up with even better surround for reasonable prices.
Always enjoy your industry news Mr. Fomo. Most non-enthusiasts don't care about quantum dots, they just want the biggest bang for their buck. If the Hisense Saturn system sounds good I think that if it includes a decent sub then $600-$700 would be a good price to get a good start of taking market share away in this non-soundbar space. But the system would have to sound good enough.
This is a credibility issue. If they’re lying about QD, who knows what else they’re lying about? If you don’t have it, just say you don’t. By your logic, if TCL’s Mini LED performs like OLED can TCL call it an OLED Mini LED TV?😂
Maybe it will be out(New OLED Tech) in 2029 when I go looking at the possibility of a new TV again. Why is it I'm good with the TV speakers? I have a soundbar Sub System and Rarely EVER turn it on. It's the Least used Item In my house. It's the Sharp 65" Soundbar Sub I've had for 8 years now and still works great(when I do randomly turn it on) I'm still wondering what LG will Call there C- Series after the C5.. Government money is not Free money.. JS. Government backed= Not Free
@stop the fomo The tcl mini led flagships got artefacts in motion handling i read. Thats why im not for it and stick to panasonic, mini led this time from 2023
@@stopthefomo I was thinking about getting c755 for console gaming is it a good option? I hope they make good model next year without cheap tech I wouldn’t mind if it’s a gud product and little pricy
Samung would not be this big gobal corp without the help of the korean government who gave them a lot of subs in the early days and Sausmg use their goverment contacts to put fellow korean companies out of business so they could be the dominant one, karma comes back to haunt them.
infighting between LG display and Samsung display is going to result in both of them going the way of the dodo and Chinese OLED companies will have a monopoly. It's depressing because we need real competition
LG and Samsung display competing is the only reason they aren't charging $5000 for a 55'' tv. You want competitors to fight it out to keep prices down. Neither one is going anywhere, every year they get better at making the same display for less money.
@@kendil22 Right but the issue is that it's no longer just an LG vs Samsung market. Chinese government is putting lots of money into OLED, and if things continue this way, companies like BOE will win all of LG and Samsungs customers in a surprisingly short amount of time, meanwhile LG and Samsung are fighting eachother! The Korean government should step in and make them merge or something
@@WilliamSmith-hf8um Making them merge would end them. Not to mention be illegal in most non communist countries as they are private companies not state run. Most of those prefer not to have MONOPOLIES as well. No what will probably happen at some point is a tariff hike on Chinese tv's that will jack up their price, which would be the CORRECT response to the Chinese dumping cheap panels. Economics 101.
@@WilliamSmith-hf8um LG and Samsung display merging is a terrible idea. And since they aren't located in a communist run country forcing them to merge would be illegal. The correct response that will probably occur at some point is countries will put a tariff (thereby raising the price) on Chinese made tv's to keep them from dumping cheap panels and level the playing field. Which would be the correct response, not some hair brained idea of making lg and Samsung display merge.
@@kendil22 I'm not saying the government should force them, I'm saying they need to be pragmatic. Putting tariffs on Chinese OLEDs isn't right because if Chinese companies are making better OLEDs for good prices, that's just going to result in Samsung Display and LG Display getting lazy and cheap. Samsung Display and LGDisplay need each other right now, they are competing with the whole Chinese OLED industry
Thats what Walmart/Target did--in USA/Canada. Eliminate compition. Kill American home land production. Then Actually still ORDER-LOWEST end product that Chinese will NOT use (main stream ppl born 80s n later like premium). They whole sale buy things those Elders buy, jack up prices in USA. Double dirty. But due to huge purchasing power, they crush American industry because in order to survie all other stores did the same, sears n etc. Once Walmart dominate the market, they Jack up price, anything goes wrong blame Chinese manufacture. IN Fact High END , n Mid range stuff ALL existed all this time. But they chose NOT do it…… Because--stock. high executives gets HUGE annual Stock pay. Your bonus is usually 2-5X of your annual salary. Due to how much company of total revenue. So they will BANK up LAST a few years b4 hitting 65. Sucking up consumer money. Its NOT Asian manufacture’s issue, its the ---principle n Very core issue of Capitalism (d ugly side). -- SONY did that for YEARS. D only reason we dont belive because we just dont know.
Samsung is upset because they’re the weakest TV brand of the big companies in quality of product and are more comparable to TCL. Like Samsung has the image processing maybe of a Sony TV from 2016. They’re drastically behind LG and not even really comparable to Sony and Panasonic. Their problem is if you look at a Samsung which isn’t very well tuned and doesn’t have the great processing, why wouldn’t you look at a most likely superior TCL product at the same price point? Sure it won’t be the most polished product around, but Samsung doesn’t make polished products. Which means TCL is a direct threat.
QD , If they say it has it it should have it. Bottom line. I love TCL but they did the same thing saying that they had 120 hz and they were not. They need to stop this misleading people because they have excellent products why lie to say it's something it's not.
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It’s more about principle rather than “I don’t care “. If it’s advertising a product with Quantum Dot, it better be there or it’s false advertising. Imagine buying a car advertising a V8 engine, but has a 4 cylinder under the hood. You get me.
I absolutely agree - TCL should not lie if they don't have it!!
Agree 💯%
I mean it's China... are you all really surprised ?🤥🤥🤥
Unless that v8 was like 100hp... then it doesn't even matter hahaha
Damn glad that I was able to exchange the 85" QM8 because of damage for a 83" S90C 😎
He said "The Quantum Dots fell out during shipping" 😂
FOMO please keep us updated on the TCL QD situation. I bought one of the affected models as a temporary solution (currently waiting for B9 prices to drop). I've always thought the colours looked a bit bland and expected more from a QD tv.
Panasonic mini led flagships is the solution. They got just the panel thats it
Yeah i must say If a company is advertising something and they don't really have it then it's false advertisement. They should use different wording If they want to market something to fool people..
It's like strawberry yogurt with 0,1% strawberry. It's there, just not much.. 😂
Chinese companies get government subsidization, while Samsung and LG themselves are the government of Korea
When purchasing a smart TV, it's important to ask yourself: do you want the CCP spying on you, or the CIA?
Ha
@@Chief_Of_Sinners how about neither?
TCL - "QD doesn't mean Quantum Dot. It means Quality Display."
Maybe they say it had QD in order to bump the price. The lie of scam is the issue, even if it's good without it. That destroys the brands' trust claim to anything that is not included.
Samsung scams for years and no one says anything, this year they mix the ad oled panels with the wrgb oled panels and some people buy a tv with the lg panel thinking its qd oled.
@@vcam-g9hno they literally put it in the details which screen you get. Everyone knows which panels are which.
I live in europe and i have had the c755 for the last months, in case people got anxious that the product is a scam or whatever, the product remains a great value for money choice with very good picture quality. I appreciate FOMO shedding some light into this, and I would be happy to answer people's questions regarding the product
How's motion handling in games? Any ghosting or smearing?
@@PcGamingForFun In games its working perfectly, the only motion issues are sometimes in slow moving scenes in movies but you can mitigate it by putting judger around 2-3 and motion blur around 2 (not higher because you get soap opera effect). After i put the motion settings like it I havent really noticed any issues
I have TCL C805 this is the same to TCL C755 and my TV is totally lousy when it comes to displaying motion pictures, and I've never seen such a bad TV in my life. If I watch ski jumping on a program that has a signal from an external antenna, it's a disaster because you see more skis in the air, which I've never seen on any other TV. Even when viewing from most applications, the image movement is poor. I will certainly never buy anything from TCL again and for me Hisense is a hundred times better than TCL.
@@easyrider76 I have used several models of C805(C755), the motion issue is mostly fixed by adjusting motion blur and judger around 2 or 3, not higher cause it creates soap opera effect. The TV is a beast regarding Picture quality and the only issue with the motion is heavily reduced to almost non noticeable. If with these setting s you still experience the same issue it might be an isssue due to the low quality signal from antenna.
@@easyrider76 Your signal is causing this the TV is working fine, adjust the motion settings
Holly molly! I almost bought TCL this year. I knew there were shady. It's a Chinese company.
Yes like your phone
It's time for all TV 📺 panels to go 12bit native
A if you would notice the difference between 10 and 12-bit… the quality of the 10 bit is way more important.
@@ricarmig 12bit is the full range of Dolby vision
is there any TV with 12 bit? (genuine doubt)
@@TheGabrielSevero123 AFAIK no. Most medium and high end panels are true 10-bit panels (despite being able to decode Dolby Vision 12-bit)
@@FFROM5726 DV could even be 24-bit, your eyes must tell the difference and in this case, true 10 bit are “perfect” and you will see zero difference to 12 bit. But there are false 10 bit panels (8 bit with dithering, advertised as 10 bit) and on those, you can perfectly see the difference. 12-bit vs 10 bit there is absolutely no perceived difference.
In my country of New Zealand, we are protected from stuff like this happening with our consumers guarantee act. An item has to be advertised properly and has to have everything advertised on it or it is classed as false and misleading. If a device does not have, what was it advertised, you can request a refund for the full price, even years later after finding that they false advertised. We have that model TCL C755 here too so TCL are taking a huge risk over here if they are misleading customers. Also, in our country in the consumers guarantee act, a new TV or new device has to last for a reasonable time frame without that item breaking down (What a reasonable time frame is in years can be debatable) but I have seen people push the boundaries for TVs over 5 years old and getting warranty fixes claiming 5 years isn't a reasonable time frame for it to break down. Extended Warranties over here are a waste of time because of this but the electronic stores selling TVs etc still try to sell them to customers who are not aware of the consumers guarantees act which protects them anyway.
5 year warranties? I don't see how China sells anything in your country. 😂
Same in eu to.tcl will pay for this
I dont think that TCL cares. Look at Amazon. No matter if EU, NZ or anything. Amazon Products always lie in some way haha. TCL customers probably wont even really know what that means. When one buys TCL they want two things. Big. And cheap. Thats it. Yeah they have to give a refund. But big tech giants and cheap china companies count on the fact that there are still enough people who wont notice in real scams like on Amazon or more or less shady offerings like with many Chinese brands
6:48 maybe they fell out during shipping 😂...
So, the thing is $800. for a good to very good TV or an exceptional TV for $1000.
If the Saturn can deliver 85% of what the HTA9 can do then yes for under $800 that system speaks value.
Value is relative.
It's NOT tied to the cheapest price or the most bang for the buck product.
Tandem OLED actually has me very excited for OLED. If an OLED can hit 500 nits to 1000 nits on a 100% full white screen, it will be almost endgame. At that point, mproving it further comes down to driver boards annd refresh rates.
If you could subfield drive an OLED with 480hz that would mean 2ms of image persistence, and the picture would have that brightness.
I would absolutely buy a 32 inch 1440p or 4k panel with a 480hz refresh rate if it had tandem OLED with 1000 nits full field.
That’s the dream. It seems we’re still quite a few years away from seeing it on TVs, much less monitors. Which sucks because boy these current OLED gaming monitors sure are disappointing
Same bro. When I can get a 480 Hz 4k OLED then I will upgrade from my current 120hz panel. And sure the Tandem sound good but it will probably be quite expensive at first.
And I don't need it. I watch in a light controled room and my old OLED is already plenty bright.
As guy who help people to chose TV's in different costumers forums, i can say that they are CARE about QLED/QD or not, because the prices are so close that these futures are what make difference between to chose or not some TV. If TCL lies about QLEDs that is huge deal, because we caught them lying about the peak brightness of their new models, here in Europe, now they lie about the quantum dots too..... not good.. TCL... not good..
TCL: Here's your apple that taste like orange, it's a rounded fruit but cost less.
ROFL
Samsung said, "Oh, Hell No!"
I just bought an 85 C755 here in Costa Rica for $2000 (a month ago), and yes, you are right, I never cared about the QD branding.
My second option was a 77 S90D for $5000 (but that's too overpriced). I just wanted to upgrade the size without losing so much from my previous theater room TV (LG G2). So, I valued the price, panel brightness, dimming zones, contrast, and compatibility (DV, HDR+, DOLBY, and DTS) more than the "QD" branding. Of course, the blacks will never be at the level of my G2, but for my theater room conditions, I think the size and the brightness are more important.
So, imagine that for a normal consumer, the QD branding will mean nothing.
hey fomo! love your vids. your mic is making you sound a little underwater, not sure if there’s any settings on it you can tweak to make it pick up your voice a little clearer
Thanks for your suggestion, I'll do that!
Instead of QD it's QW. Quantum Where'ditGO. I have a home theatre receiver with Polk speakers, but I've considered going to soundbar something to be smaller and cleaner. The older I get the less interested I am in rattling the windows with a movie.
WINNER!!
Sound bars are great. Check out the Samsung Q990C or the Sony A9 or Quad with the sub.
This isn’t the “Corinthian leather” marketing. It’s advertising a specific technology. How would you feel if it advertised Dolby Vision, but it didn’t have it built in. It doesn’t matter if the average consumer can’t tell the difference it’s a specific thing advertised to sell the product.
Your English is something to brag about! A pleasure to listen to you!
I have this TV since September 2023. It's branded as the TCL C805K here in the UK. The picture is better than my Other TV which is a Samsung 4K UHD TV. Its just a matter of how you play with the picture settings to have a better picture quality. In 4K HDR10+ and Dolby Vision movies and shows, it really shines, I can say it's a bit close to Samsung S90C as long as its calibrated right.
Ars Technica has an article about the TCL quantum dot controversy that states that less expensive QLED LCD TVs could use a mix of quantum dots and phosphor to convert blue light into red and green light, but this results in worse brightness, color gamut, and color purity than using pure quantum dots for color conversion. This could lead to TCL being right about the presence of quantum dots and not committing false advertising despite having quantum dots at undetectably low concentrations. Another possibility raised in the article is that quality control failed to catch displays without quantum dots. However, if I link to the article, the anti spam filter might falsely nuke my post as spam.
I have the Nakaimichi dragon original and I ordered two new subwoofer for additional $2400 and I think it sounds incredible already.
Let’s this go. Most reviewer’s said it sucks.
C755 is still pretty costly in my region. Would prefer it actually had QD colors. But i think the article specially mentions some TV's may not have them (so the review unit you get would be better, but then the actual product bought by customers will be completely different)
I just recently purchased a 55" TCL QM751 which is VERY similar (externally indistinguishable, but with a lower refresh rate) to one of the models in the Korean report. Do we know if the three in the report were the only models tested, or did others pass? I hope someone will test the color spectrum of models sold in the US to determine if they have suitable levels of QDs. I recall that the weakness Rtings pointed out with regard to the QM7 was with color calibration, and I have had some difficulty achieving the picture I am seeking.
The weakness rtings reported was pre calibration
I find it strange the Chinese govt subsidizing tcl and hisense.. to improve display technology and at the same time offer them much less.. that makes sense why there better priced.. but what's the endgame here???
Under cut the competition. Then make you depended on them and world domination.
Qled is marketing, quantum dot means better picture. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to buy an expensive tv without them or a tv with a sub pixel that’s only white.
Those quad Sony surround speakers are huge. I wouldn’t want them in my living room. The Saturn system looks much more palatable if they can duplicate a similar sound.
I think you're missing the bigger picture here. It's not so much whether the TCL is a great tv capable of going toe to toe with the Samsung Q80. It's the fact that TCL is MISREPRESENTING the product and that's NOT Ok. It's a question of ethics and I don't believe in supporting companies or buying products from companies whose values and practices include misrepresentation in order to gain a competitive advantage.
I’m the percentage that does not care in the slightest. I want a tv that is both affordable and looks good. I don’t care about ethics. This bit of knowledge isn’t going to suddenly make everyone’s tv look worse. I understand there’s no reason for blatant false advertisement but again, if it looks good I’m gonna buy it.
I have the sony theater quad now for about 4 month now and i love it and before i had the sony ht-a9.
And the quad is a big improvement you don't even have to buy the sub for good base. But if u want 1 the SA-SW3 is good enough. both sound where connect to a sony 55-a90j as a center speaker
LG wasn't even mentioned in the recent EISA awards
The TCL sound bar. Simple answer, depends what it sound slike. Anthem MRX 740 8K $US3100 but you need to add a couple of speakers to get 7.1.2 to your old 5.1 system. So maybe US$5000, twice the Sony.
FOMO, let's not forget here that there is also another shoe out there that hasn't quite dropped yet: Dolby FlexConnect. Those speakers (when paired with a supporting new FlexConnect enabled TV or one with an aftermarket transponder device) will allow you to effectively do this exact same thing with the flexibility to "grow as you go". With FlexConect, once you have a FlexConnect enabled TV, you can go out and by one, three or even fifteen wireless speakers that you can add to your TV setup as you like. Those speakers are likely to see from anywhere from $75 on up to $400 depending on how big, fancy and powerful you need/want them to be. FlexConnect, and its competitor from DTS called PlayFi, have the potential to completely upend the ENTIRE soundbar market by offering increased flexibility and an affordable starting price point.
Hey buddy, this made me laugh about TCL supposed to be faking it with QD quantum dots on some of their tvs.😂
well i just got qm7 , my neighbor has a big dollar tv , won't name the brand, but he just ordered a qm8 and 7 for his shop and paid less than his super tv and he was so impressed he sold his tv and had 300 to burn. price and performance , who cares what is behind the screen it works well. better than my last samsung by far, and ive had big dollar samsung since projection. there quality has vanished. and good luck getting them fixed, bought my q7 cheaper than it was to fix it. bs price means nothing nor name everything is throw away junk, but i will say my projection samsung still going strong hence cheap bulbs now and i bought the last few power supply boards there was. all other samsung in the trash but that is electronics these days. ho o
Does my TCL 75QM8 from 2023 not have QD’s then too??
Great episode! I bought a C855 2 months ago. The C755 looked pretty good, and I was wondering why the hell I was buying the 855. Next to a competing panel, the 855 was slightly better. It's not perfect (some screen and motion etc), but its also a lot cheaper than a Sony bravia. Hilarious about the QD. It would be misleading if that's the case, but if not, then sparks could fly 😂
Samsung have a cheek as only select S90D 2024 sizes are QD OLED in some regions including the UK, as pointed out by FOMO and others.
S95c + 990b soundbar = qsymphony, which is amazing 🎉
Yes we do care FOMO. You trying to downplay marketing fraud we know you got a softspot for TCL and Hisense all the time. QD LED and QD OLED etc are big marketing deals that definitely influence consumer choice.
Especially people that buy cheap TVs because they are the least knowledgeable so more easily fooled. It matters on principle and matters in advertising. It's fraudulent.
If we didn't care in cheap models, then why not start doing it in higher end models.
I thought Quantum dots were characterized by the way they work (emit light when stimulated by other light source or by electrical current and having purer colors) and not by the materials used.
I love the look of sound bars, I would pay $199 for the Saturn JK, $5-700 $800-1000 if I wasn’t happy I would return it.
I HAD C755 AND IM VERY HAPPY WITH IT
Does that mean the C855 Has this issue ???
Only 3 TCL models were mentioned (for now?) C755, C655, C655 Pro
Possibly, since they did not test the C855. Only 3 models were tested.
So are they going to have to refund all of the TVs they sold with false advertising??
So my tcl 755 in Eu knows as 803/805 its a scam?
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I'm not an average consumer but an enthusiastil and I know what quantum dots are and I would definitely look for quantum dots because it means lower power and higher color gamut ... But if TCL can make a high gamut TV without dots thats fine! ... I couldn't see much diff from my samsung 52ln850b (2008, high gamut, 450 nits) and vizio quantum x 2019 @2000 nits with dots, on my favorite youtube 4k video (beautiful scotland) ...
Great vid brother!
These videos are my favorite from FOMO
Hey Fomo, when do you think tvs will reach diminishing returns to the human eye, is it after we get 1000 nits full color spectrum, 1000 nits full panel oled brightness? Or is it gonna be a massive jump in a tvs peak nits say 10,000? Just waiting for blue pholed at this point.
For MINILED, we're already there as far as the top TVs like QM7 - diminishing returns from QM7 to QM8 to Bravia 9 for most movie/streaming/sports content. Remember it's all about the content and if content is graded way below 1000 nits as currently then it's pointless for a TV to perform beyond where they are now. Obviously we expect future HDR content to exceed 2000 nits of specular highlight but that's still years off. Would be nice if OLED full screen can be above 500 nits (twice current brightness) and I think that's more than good enough for future movies to support bright HDR
I have ht a9
Love it,go hisense
I'll never buy TCL/Hisense. Samsung/Sony/LG ftw
Good for you.... I have a 3 year old, 82" Samsung 3,000 dollar BRICK..... Lol
Is there news about this?
Wait Pholed is here already?🤣🤣
Phosphorescent is massive-like 4x efficiency which will give bigtime brightness without the power consumption and head production!
So if qd is not a big deal, why claim it?
The hisensse brings competition. The Sony barely does atmo or surround. With competition I expect there to be a 6 speaker set up with even better surround for reasonable prices.
If a screen uses QD technology, wouldn't it malfunction if it did not contain the necessary ingredients?
@@johndzwon1966 no, it just wouldn't have as large color gamut.
Always enjoy your industry news Mr. Fomo. Most non-enthusiasts don't care about quantum dots, they just want the biggest bang for their buck. If the Hisense Saturn system sounds good I think that if it includes a decent sub then $600-$700 would be a good price to get a good start of taking market share away in this non-soundbar space. But the system would have to sound good enough.
Thanks for conversation.
With regard to the Hisense surround system, if it’s 85% of the performance at the price you said, I’m in all day, every day haha
Didn't TCL pretty much beats QD? Also, the Q80 is really good
This is a credibility issue. If they’re lying about QD, who knows what else they’re lying about? If you don’t have it, just say you don’t. By your logic, if TCL’s Mini LED performs like OLED can TCL call it an OLED Mini LED TV?😂
If I had 800 bucks I’ll buy the biggest tv I could with that money that would be my first priority
C855 qd?
It have some QDs to justify calling it QD MiniLED......
Maybe it will be out(New OLED Tech) in 2029 when I go looking at the possibility of a new TV again. Why is it I'm good with the TV speakers? I have a soundbar Sub System and Rarely EVER turn it on. It's the Least used Item In my house. It's the Sharp 65" Soundbar Sub I've had for 8 years now and still works great(when I do randomly turn it on)
I'm still wondering what LG will Call there C- Series after the C5..
Government money is not Free money.. JS. Government backed= Not Free
@stop the fomo The tcl mini led flagships got artefacts in motion handling i read. Thats why im not for it and stick to panasonic, mini led this time from 2023
Don’t they have any 50 inch models ? For 2025 ?
not the good stuff above $500
@@stopthefomo I was thinking about getting c755 for console gaming is it a good option? I hope they make good model next year without cheap tech I wouldn’t mind if it’s a gud product and little pricy
Samung would not be this big gobal corp without the help of the korean government who gave them a lot of subs in the early days and Sausmg use their goverment contacts to put fellow korean companies out of business so they could be the dominant one, karma comes back to haunt them.
My "soundbar" is an Elac CC501 in Walnut High Gloss and I LOVE to see it.
infighting between LG display and Samsung display is going to result in both of them going the way of the dodo and Chinese OLED companies will have a monopoly. It's depressing because we need real competition
LG and Samsung display competing is the only reason they aren't charging $5000 for a 55'' tv. You want competitors to fight it out to keep prices down. Neither one is going anywhere, every year they get better at making the same display for less money.
@@kendil22 Right but the issue is that it's no longer just an LG vs Samsung market. Chinese government is putting lots of money into OLED, and if things continue this way, companies like BOE will win all of LG and Samsungs customers in a surprisingly short amount of time, meanwhile LG and Samsung are fighting eachother! The Korean government should step in and make them merge or something
@@WilliamSmith-hf8um Making them merge would end them. Not to mention be illegal in most non communist countries as they are private companies not state run. Most of those prefer not to have MONOPOLIES as well. No what will probably happen at some point is a tariff hike on Chinese tv's that will jack up their price, which would be the CORRECT response to the Chinese dumping cheap panels. Economics 101.
@@WilliamSmith-hf8um LG and Samsung display merging is a terrible idea. And since they aren't located in a communist run country forcing them to merge would be illegal. The correct response that will probably occur at some point is countries will put a tariff (thereby raising the price) on Chinese made tv's to keep them from dumping cheap panels and level the playing field. Which would be the correct response, not some hair brained idea of making lg and Samsung display merge.
@@kendil22 I'm not saying the government should force them, I'm saying they need to be pragmatic. Putting tariffs on Chinese OLEDs isn't right because if Chinese companies are making better OLEDs for good prices, that's just going to result in Samsung Display and LG Display getting lazy and cheap. Samsung Display and LGDisplay need each other right now, they are competing with the whole Chinese OLED industry
Contains artificial flavor of QD 😂
Chinese brands will be cheap only until they eleminate the competition.
Thats what Walmart/Target did--in USA/Canada. Eliminate compition. Kill American home land production. Then Actually still ORDER-LOWEST end product that Chinese will NOT use (main stream ppl born 80s n later like premium). They whole sale buy things those Elders buy, jack up prices in USA. Double dirty. But due to huge purchasing power, they crush American industry because in order to survie all other stores did the same, sears n etc. Once Walmart dominate the market, they Jack up price, anything goes wrong blame Chinese manufacture. IN Fact High END , n Mid range stuff ALL existed all this time. But they chose NOT do it……
Because--stock.
high executives gets HUGE annual Stock pay. Your bonus is usually 2-5X of your annual salary. Due to how much company of total revenue.
So they will BANK up LAST a few years b4 hitting 65. Sucking up consumer money. Its NOT Asian manufacture’s issue, its the ---principle n Very core issue of Capitalism (d ugly side). --
SONY did that for YEARS. D only reason we dont belive because we just dont know.
boe/tcl are both a hard pass
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Samsung is upset because they’re the weakest TV brand of the big companies in quality of product and are more comparable to TCL. Like Samsung has the image processing maybe of a Sony TV from 2016. They’re drastically behind LG and not even really comparable to Sony and Panasonic.
Their problem is if you look at a Samsung which isn’t very well tuned and doesn’t have the great processing, why wouldn’t you look at a most likely superior TCL product at the same price point? Sure it won’t be the most polished product around, but Samsung doesn’t make polished products. Which means TCL is a direct threat.
@@devinmurray5280 nobody is upset 🤣😂😅🤡
@@devinmurray5280 tcl absolutely suck for motion and processing 😂😂dont even get me started on qc
@@devinmurray5280 right. Kids dont want to hear that.
@@SLICK8116 he is 100% right 💪
@@Horvat04 your a kid dork
QD , If they say it has it it should have it. Bottom line. I love TCL but they did the same thing saying that they had 120 hz and they were not. They need to stop this misleading people because they have excellent products why lie to say it's something it's not.
Nah chinese are just copycats who are you trying to fool….😂
quantum dot branding is important for samsung? why dont they advertise it then on their oleds? ....
Hi Pls Post a Calibration Video of Hisense U7N
U7N TV settings: brightness 80, black level -5 and keep tone mapping OFF unless you see major clipping of color detail then you can turn it on.
@@stopthefomo thankyou Sir
@stopthefomo sir one Last Qs should I do this while keeping my TV in Movie Mode Night or Vivid mode or in which mode