5 years is a huge gap, the goals squishy was doing back then are pretty comparable to what zen is doing considering how much more creative and how far mechanics have come.
Squishy is probably the most mechanically influential player ever to touch the game. He literally popularized (in pro play) ceiling shots, flip resets, Squishy saves, and air dribble bumps. Zen is clearly the best right now, but he certainly hasn’t implemented four game changing meta mechanics. I’m not saying he won’t, but to compare Zen right now to what Squishy has done just isn’t fair. Edit: Well, after seeing Zen win worlds and just utterly dominate the best of the best for months, it seems like he will change the game just like Squishy did. The kid is nuts.
He is bringing alot more psycho touches. And getting resets off a heavy touch to the ceiling. All done occasionally but he is showing how important it is and alot of pros are starting to implement it more. Not taking away from what you saying tho. Squishy's new mechs were like brand new whereas zen is popularizing variations.
@@davidkosiba624 can definitely give Zen credit for popularizing psychos and ceiling-pinch doubles now. The problem is the game is more evolved now, there are now fundamental mechanics like a flip reset to be discovered, any new discovery is going to be a more specific combination or use case (aside from rare cases like walldashes)
Zen is probably more ahead of everyone than Squishy ever was. I am talking overall, not just mechanics. Squishy has certainly been in conversation for best in the world but he was never clear. I think Zen is and will be for a while.
Sunless should reach out to people who where in prison for 5 years and did not watch any RL. Closest we can get. And maybe there could be some community support in exchange for shooting the video.
I think mechanics haven’t changed that much, but the defense and movement is wayyyyy faster. So everyone’s mechs have to be like 2x quicker to compete in RLCS. Same fundamentals, just much better execution
Two things people dont talk about with Squishy: One: He not only was rhe driver behind the offensive meta still prevalent today. With that, he also changed the defensive meta, how aggressive defenders challenge, and how players defend in general. He's also arguably one of the most influential, beloved players of all time. Last season, World's? Squishy during roster introductions still got aome of the largest crowd pops of any player.
honestly squishy marked the gap in skill level the same way zen is doing now. some of those squishy goals are still impressive today. great video though i love both players and they're both goats
What amazes me about Zen is the absolutely incredible pace at which he is executing these moves. Imagine how hard it would be to even keep up as a teammate. Alpha54 hitting that shot from Zen's psycho pass, even with comms, is astounding. Now imagine trying to predict and defend against him.
Squishy walked so zen could run. ;) And years from now we’ll see some new rocket league prodigy that comes along that looked up to Zen when he first started. The cycle continues. Cool video idea! Sweet to see the progress over the years.
Honestly I don't think the raw mechanics have changed that noticeably except for wall reads becoming way more common. The biggest change for me is the speed that all of the pros now are able to do the mechanics. It's like you mentioned, defenders are faster and the game as a whole is faster so pros have to be able to do those same 2018 mechanics at 10x the speed today.
I feel a lot of the difference between now and then (and this goes with any sport/ESport) is the training. Training gets a lot more efficient and modernized. With better training comes better results.
Squishy will always be more impressive. He started the flashy think outside the box plays that no one has ever thought of. That being said, zen is absolutely incredible. His mechanics are the future of rocket league. BUT, it all starts with squishy and had just escalated from there. so very hard to compare. What I would say is the first person to think outside the box and get mechanical on his own without someone else showing him how to do it will ALWAYS be superior no matter how they play now.
I wasnt around the RL community in 2018 so i dont feel like i can make a faur cimparison. But whay Zen is doing right now is absolutely insane. I dont see anyone as consistent, creative, or game sensible as Zen
Great stuff but not sure it's really a direct comparison vs. showing the difference in era by the players that started a new era. I feel Squishy's current stuff would look similar to Zen's highlights as he's had those same 5 years and we could dig into what each brought to RL that makes everyone around them get back in the lab :)
I've got a take about this situation. They're both incredible players for completely different reasons. 5 years ago when Rocket League was still in its early days, Squishy was out there hitting clips that defined him as a simply good player. He mastered the essentials (ball control, ariels, car control etc.) and used them to create shots that didn't amaze the community because of their complexity, rather by his ability to pull them seemingly out of thin air with unbelievable consistency. It's been 5 years since those days, and in that time the game has changed. Since defense has become so good in recent times, players are now required to be creative with their shots, removing their opponents' ability to predict their moves. This is where Zen comes in. His sheer ability to act spontaneously and confuse the defenders is what makes him the player of this era, not his ability to be simple and perfect with the essentials. Overall, I believe that Zen is easily the strongest player of the current Rocket League era, yet Squishy was more game-changing. That's just what I think.
Squishy improved mechanics and strategy while I feel zen is showing how good improved team chemistry is with high end mechanics. imo squishy is more influential then zen but current vitality showing how good chemistry and crazy mechs are (as seen with mainly zen and alpha) is more influential then nrg at there peak
It's not necessarily that it's crazy that it's still evolving. If you look soccer itself, the tactical and mechanical evolution is crazy. And it's accelerating. Rocket League mirroring that despite being more simplistic (3v3 instead of 11v11) goes to show how complex it can become because in order to be the best, you have to develop the skills of the best and then build upon them to develop something else, something new. The programmers could do nothing to develop the game further except aesthetic tweaks and this evolution would continue.
Squishy was inventing things that people still use today. Zen is just really really good at everything that’s already been invented. I think zen is amazing tho, defo the best we’ve ever seen so far
Hey Kep, not sure if you’ll see this, you know me. Your biggest RUclips strength right now is the way you cut videos. It’s funny, shows good stuff, but doesn’t lag anywhere. These videos are awesome, pushing the zen stuff makes sense, but I think if you planned out your thoughts a little more it would help so much. Especially some of the “zen is here because of the groundwork these guys did” etc. Always Kep Krew
I used to watch Squishy religiously and while he helped me get a lot more mechanical, I started overcommitting everywhere and not understanding why after trying to emulate his playstyle, and frankly it kinda showed in his own playstyle in 3s too, he was almost carried by Jstn and GarretG, most teammates wouldn't have his back so reliably. Fast forward to Zen, his palystyle really showed me the blindspots I needed to work on in order to become a lot more consistent in my own playstyle. I still have a long way to go, but I finally feel like I'm coming out of elo hell thanks to watching Zen. I wish he had his own RUclips channel tbh.
Good video, I think the one thing that wasn't mentioned here was the clear difference in speed as well. So it's not just that there's 5 years development in mechanics, with Zen being a next generational leap as a player being a big deal, but also the general speed. It does show very clearly how fine Squishy's touch was in 2018 though.
I first played in 2020. I was like gold 1. never took it seriously. started playing again about 1.5 years later and took it more serious. been stuck in c2 for like 6-8 months LOL. But him doing that stuff in 2018 is absolutely nuts
Good timing with the announcement of Squishy resigning from NRG. Wherever his next move takes him, he’s one of the greatest players of all time. Changed the game and it would not be the same without him. That’s something almost none of us can say we did.
i know you went for pre bubble but i think those covid days was a big change in everything. it feels like in the last 2 years really we started to see the finesse come through in players and all out talent in their skill. it will push the sport to new levels and depths, no real changes in "meta" but the mental chess match between teams. it brings a smile to me and hope for the sport.
Squishymuffinz LITERALLY invented and brought mechanics into rlcs. Technically zen has always been using something squishymuffinz created which is mechanics
@@AreJay5721 Most people can read shots much more advanced than they can score. Squishy had more practice early on, but now that others are catching up, his mechanics were really rough. I remember hearing that NRG was one of the first teams to heavily abuse custom controller sensitivities and deadzones, so honestly he wasn't that good for what he was doing, he just was more mediatized because he had less competition at his level at the time. It's like how many singers got famous in the 60s simply because there was less competition on the radio and no spotify or youtube to self produce. Now that there are so many artists out there, they wouldn't stand a chance at gaining the same popularity that they did back then even if culture still enjoyed the same genres.
I think if Squishy really tried and fell in love with RL again like he did back in 2018, the creativity. I think he could beat Zen with experience and previous peaking. Squishy was practical doing the same shots then as zen is now.. almost.. Idk what's going with Squishy but I really think he needs our support
@@mangarealm242 The copium is mad. Zen literally played the supporting role for the first 2 majors and he still clipped on people. He is literally seen as being on a league of his own even by pros.
@onenottwo3918 squishy did the same thing back then, made mechanics the meta today. The only thing is, Zen does it a little faster. Squishy is ready for a comeback, God don't dis the legends who made the game it is today
New players will never be better then old players for one reason. Old players pioneered the game. It's way harder to be the first guy to try something then the last guy to perfect it. The older players squishy, jstn, kaydop, deevo, kuxir, scrub, ect revolutionized the game so that others players had easier paths to greatness. Especially guy's like squishy who were also doing tutorial vids to teach young players. I wish more people would speak up when you got players like Joyo and rise belittling older players, calling them trash or washed. What they will never realize is no matter how many lans they win, they will never be remembered as one of the greats. They will never be pioneers.
The difficult reality to accept with rocket league is that as the skill ceiling continues to move away from the overall player base. The less the player base will be able to appreciate what’s going on. Squishy had mechanics that are now a staple in RL gameplay and while they are difficult. They are understandable even to new players. It’s hard to see Zen clips and truly understand what’s happening unless you watch RL all the time. I’m excited for how good players will be but the game will continue to fade and become more of a niche game.
Make you wonder if in 5 years time all the pros will be doing what zen is doing now and if there will be some new prodigy who makes zen look ordinary. Seems hard to imagine
@@JamesButler-yw6rmhard to say. That’s what people were saying in 2018. And look at where the game is now. I remember people saying double resets would be useless in competitive play, now look at them. Proven to be a viable way to score nowadays. People were even saying flip resets and ceiling shots were useless in competitive play. Until squishy was the first one to pull off both of those on LAN. It may be hard to imagine the skill can be pushed any further at this point in time, but you just never know. I guess we will see in 5 years.
You can’t even compare the two in my opinion. If you had to try, it’s nothing close to what this video portrayed and goes way deeper than the surface. Trying to compare… Squishy is RL Jesus and Zen is a newborn Jonsandman lol it’s not even a little bit close. For the new kids in here, go watch a RLCS game from 2018 to understand how good Squish actually was
There's a video out there of squishy playing against zen in 2s. Squishy is still very threatening. I know a single 2s game isn't much to go on but it was a very good game considering squishy was solo queuing and distracted while doing a sponsored stream for NRG
I dont think this video does Squishy justice, because you took clips from 2023. If you think that Squishy couldnt hit some of these clips that zen is going for if you watch him stream and his yt its just wrong. You took a peak 2018 montage, but didnt do him justice by giving him the flowers. its not like squishy retired. The vast difference would be comparing Kronovi from S1 to Squishy S6. Thats the equivelant of what youre doing now. Squishy is still a top pro in NA imo. Could still grind to number 1 in the world if he wanted. Also dont forget that all of zens clips are inspired by squishy from 2018.
This is the same comparison as many other sports, people look back at old footage of older pros and question if one is better, but in all reality they aren’t comparable.
I think making a general video based on mechanical highlights from any pro player in 2018 vs 2023 would make a lot more sense than just squishy from 2018 vs zen in 2023, like a 2023 squishy vs 2023 zen makes a lot more sense than this no?
Well, today you can counter really good players on casual. The fact is that i'm think Squishy was really ahead of the other players, not just like Zen now, i think there are more player now that can counter zen. But in 2018 was literally in another planet, the car control was ridiculus. And also, despite little talk about him, he has been one of the best 1v1 players for years.
i feel like the biggest difference is really just consistency in the mechanics and creativeness players have now. Because what squishy did back then is what people can do now pretty consistently. Squishy was basically the Zen of 2018 imo
What I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that Squishys goals here are all no directional air roll which now virtually no pros including Squishy himself plays with.
I'm curious about what Rocket League will be like on Unreal Engine 5. Personally, I didn't think there would be enough boost for Zen to pull off these super mechanical plays in RLCS.
I have something to say squishy is one of the best professional players in the world to me by far if he had a good team that can relate to him he would be the best player every hands down , but after seeing this rookie zen come from nothing the one of the best players in the world to win worlds I definitely feel like zen is squishy in this Era that would be a dominant duo on the same team overall I’m proud of Zen .
Funny how Kep is basically the only person to call it the air drag like the original name... Just shows how long we've all been playing and haven't even realised lmao
Yeah, the introduction of TAS to RL has shown we are nowhere near the technical skill ceiling of this game yet, not even close. Eventually someone will come along with an even higher mech ceiling and we'll be right back to this same conversation lol.
I think the skill is pretty matched for the times obviously players have to be better now because people over time have adapted from 2018 and so you have to be better and more creative with ur shots or else u cant score at this level of play
Rip squishy nrg. Best of luck with future endeavors. Changed the game and will go down as the best mechanical and brainiac shot of all time in RLCS. Nothing beats the ceiling fake
you mentioned how bad defense was 5 years ago but it's because only a handful of people in the world were doing what squishy was doing lol this was very entertaining though nice video
I've seen a lot of people say Squishy is washed he's no longer pro tier and he'll get slammed if he goes back to RLCS. Like are yall fr? Listen to yourselves.
The difference between Squishy and Zen is Zen has amazing mechs BUT Squishy is the person that basically brought most of these mechs into the Rocket League scene such as flip resets and ceiling. My point is it’s easier to learn mechs and pull them off when there are tutorials that show you how to pull off these mechs but when you have to go from almost scratch to learn these it’s harder
Who should we compare next?😮😅
jstn season 5 and Seiko
App jack s7 vs yxnans
Beastmode peak vs Firstkiller peak
sizz and rizzo
Dark and zen ?
5 years is a huge gap, the goals squishy was doing back then are pretty comparable to what zen is doing considering how much more creative and how far mechanics have come.
I think the big difference is the speed and consistency. Zen's speed is insane.
Squish’s better.
Exactly!
@@peterolofsson9871
wtf💀 not faster then squishymuffinz for sure💀
@@Userhc1001 zen is for sure faster
Squishy is probably the most mechanically influential player ever to touch the game. He literally popularized (in pro play) ceiling shots, flip resets, Squishy saves, and air dribble bumps. Zen is clearly the best right now, but he certainly hasn’t implemented four game changing meta mechanics. I’m not saying he won’t, but to compare Zen right now to what Squishy has done just isn’t fair.
Edit: Well, after seeing Zen win worlds and just utterly dominate the best of the best for months, it seems like he will change the game just like Squishy did. The kid is nuts.
He is bringing alot more psycho touches. And getting resets off a heavy touch to the ceiling. All done occasionally but he is showing how important it is and alot of pros are starting to implement it more.
Not taking away from what you saying tho. Squishy's new mechs were like brand new whereas zen is popularizing variations.
@@connorallan8080Cmon you really forcing those on Zen lol
@@davidkosiba624 can definitely give Zen credit for popularizing psychos and ceiling-pinch doubles now. The problem is the game is more evolved now, there are now fundamental mechanics like a flip reset to be discovered, any new discovery is going to be a more specific combination or use case (aside from rare cases like walldashes)
This is so true. Squish is definitely going down as one of the best to ever do it. His impact has been phenomenal.
Zen is probably more ahead of everyone than Squishy ever was. I am talking overall, not just mechanics. Squishy has certainly been in conversation for best in the world but he was never clear. I think Zen is and will be for a while.
sometimes i wonder how people from 2018 would react to seeing modern day pros and freestylers
Sunless should reach out to people who where in prison for 5 years and did not watch any RL. Closest we can get. And maybe there could be some community support in exchange for shooting the video.
@@oktofred good idea
@@oktofred That's a wild idea lol
I think mechanics haven’t changed that much, but the defense and movement is wayyyyy faster. So everyone’s mechs have to be like 2x quicker to compete in RLCS. Same fundamentals, just much better execution
People have also become way more consistent at hitting the shots squishy was hitting back in 2018
Two things people dont talk about with Squishy:
One: He not only was rhe driver behind the offensive meta still prevalent today.
With that, he also changed the defensive meta, how aggressive defenders challenge, and how players defend in general.
He's also arguably one of the most influential, beloved players of all time. Last season, World's? Squishy during roster introductions still got aome of the largest crowd pops of any player.
Beautifully said 🔥
honestly squishy marked the gap in skill level the same way zen is doing now. some of those squishy goals are still impressive today. great video though i love both players and they're both goats
How is Zen a goat? Are you dumb? He hasn't done shit yet!
What amazes me about Zen is the absolutely incredible pace at which he is executing these moves. Imagine how hard it would be to even keep up as a teammate. Alpha54 hitting that shot from Zen's psycho pass, even with comms, is astounding. Now imagine trying to predict and defend against him.
Squishy walked so zen could run. ;)
And years from now we’ll see some new rocket league prodigy that comes along that looked up to Zen when he first started. The cycle continues.
Cool video idea! Sweet to see the progress over the years.
more like Squishy ran so Zen could fly
@@mercrazzle More like Squishy Flew so Zen could Teleport
@@musicaltarrasqueMore like Squishy teleported so Zen could Zen.
@@Rendexyt More like Squishy Climbed so Zen could could
The best thing you can compare is impact or what they did to set the skill ceiling… but even then it’s something that is very difficult to compare
Zen is an incredible player, very mechanical, very smart player. He is the face of the new gen IMO. >> BUT
He has 1 world title!
@@thepokemonpowerhouse5562 Ooh my bad, Season X North American Champion, and Season 6 World Champion
@xxxmachiavelli7726 let's be honest here, RLCSX NRG was winning worlds that year.. absolutely dominate at the end.
Honestly I don't think the raw mechanics have changed that noticeably except for wall reads becoming way more common. The biggest change for me is the speed that all of the pros now are able to do the mechanics. It's like you mentioned, defenders are faster and the game as a whole is faster so pros have to be able to do those same 2018 mechanics at 10x the speed today.
I feel a lot of the difference between now and then (and this goes with any sport/ESport) is the training. Training gets a lot more efficient and modernized. With better training comes better results.
Squishy will always be more impressive. He started the flashy think outside the box plays that no one has ever thought of. That being said, zen is absolutely incredible. His mechanics are the future of rocket league. BUT, it all starts with squishy and had just escalated from there. so very hard to compare. What I would say is the first person to think outside the box and get mechanical on his own without someone else showing him how to do it will ALWAYS be superior no matter how they play now.
I wasnt around the RL community in 2018 so i dont feel like i can make a faur cimparison. But whay Zen is doing right now is absolutely insane. I dont see anyone as consistent, creative, or game sensible as Zen
Squishymuffinz was better but I respect both🎉
Great stuff but not sure it's really a direct comparison vs. showing the difference in era by the players that started a new era.
I feel Squishy's current stuff would look similar to Zen's highlights as he's had those same 5 years and we could dig into what each brought to RL that makes everyone around them get back in the lab :)
I think the biggest thing is the fact Zen does it all in RLCS, so 1 there aren't that many games and 2 it's the best of the best with pressure
I've got a take about this situation.
They're both incredible players for completely different reasons. 5 years ago when Rocket League was still in its early days, Squishy was out there hitting clips that defined him as a simply good player. He mastered the essentials (ball control, ariels, car control etc.) and used them to create shots that didn't amaze the community because of their complexity, rather by his ability to pull them seemingly out of thin air with unbelievable consistency. It's been 5 years since those days, and in that time the game has changed. Since defense has become so good in recent times, players are now required to be creative with their shots, removing their opponents' ability to predict their moves. This is where Zen comes in. His sheer ability to act spontaneously and confuse the defenders is what makes him the player of this era, not his ability to be simple and perfect with the essentials. Overall, I believe that Zen is easily the strongest player of the current Rocket League era, yet Squishy was more game-changing.
That's just what I think.
Squishy improved mechanics and strategy while I feel zen is showing how good improved team chemistry is with high end mechanics. imo squishy is more influential then zen but current vitality showing how good chemistry and crazy mechs are (as seen with mainly zen and alpha) is more influential then nrg at there peak
It's not necessarily that it's crazy that it's still evolving. If you look soccer itself, the tactical and mechanical evolution is crazy. And it's accelerating. Rocket League mirroring that despite being more simplistic (3v3 instead of 11v11) goes to show how complex it can become because in order to be the best, you have to develop the skills of the best and then build upon them to develop something else, something new. The programmers could do nothing to develop the game further except aesthetic tweaks and this evolution would continue.
Thanks for givinf my boi squishy some respect
n ppl say hes Champ or low GC at peak lmao like he js plays for fun at this point
he is still top 100
Squishy was inventing things that people still use today. Zen is just really really good at everything that’s already been invented. I think zen is amazing tho, defo the best we’ve ever seen so far
Hey Kep, not sure if you’ll see this, you know me. Your biggest RUclips strength right now is the way you cut videos. It’s funny, shows good stuff, but doesn’t lag anywhere. These videos are awesome, pushing the zen stuff makes sense, but I think if you planned out your thoughts a little more it would help so much. Especially some of the “zen is here because of the groundwork these guys did” etc. Always Kep Krew
I used to watch Squishy religiously and while he helped me get a lot more mechanical, I started overcommitting everywhere and not understanding why after trying to emulate his playstyle, and frankly it kinda showed in his own playstyle in 3s too, he was almost carried by Jstn and GarretG, most teammates wouldn't have his back so reliably.
Fast forward to Zen, his palystyle really showed me the blindspots I needed to work on in order to become a lot more consistent in my own playstyle. I still have a long way to go, but I finally feel like I'm coming out of elo hell thanks to watching Zen. I wish he had his own RUclips channel tbh.
Good video, I think the one thing that wasn't mentioned here was the clear difference in speed as well. So it's not just that there's 5 years development in mechanics, with Zen being a next generational leap as a player being a big deal, but also the general speed. It does show very clearly how fine Squishy's touch was in 2018 though.
squishy walked so zen could run
Squishy is jus vibing while zen is sweating
Cloud 9 lower bracket world finals run was insane.
I remember watching from my phone on the train to work screaming like a maniac
I first played in 2020. I was like gold 1. never took it seriously. started playing again about 1.5 years later and took it more serious. been stuck in c2 for like 6-8 months LOL. But him doing that stuff in 2018 is absolutely nuts
Good timing with the announcement of Squishy resigning from NRG. Wherever his next move takes him, he’s one of the greatest players of all time. Changed the game and it would not be the same without him. That’s something almost none of us can say we did.
The zen meat riding is crazy
i know you went for pre bubble but i think those covid days was a big change in everything. it feels like in the last 2 years really we started to see the finesse come through in players and all out talent in their skill. it will push the sport to new levels and depths, no real changes in "meta" but the mental chess match between teams. it brings a smile to me and hope for the sport.
Squishymuffinz LITERALLY invented and brought mechanics into rlcs. Technically zen has always been using something squishymuffinz created which is mechanics
He didn't invent mechanics. The whole game is mechanics. Maybe ceiling shot
@@jakebrowning2373 not invent but revolutionized them to be used in such an advanced way
@@AreJay5721 Most people can read shots much more advanced than they can score. Squishy had more practice early on, but now that others are catching up, his mechanics were really rough. I remember hearing that NRG was one of the first teams to heavily abuse custom controller sensitivities and deadzones, so honestly he wasn't that good for what he was doing, he just was more mediatized because he had less competition at his level at the time. It's like how many singers got famous in the 60s simply because there was less competition on the radio and no spotify or youtube to self produce. Now that there are so many artists out there, they wouldn't stand a chance at gaining the same popularity that they did back then even if culture still enjoyed the same genres.
@@metasamsara Bro you just wrote a whole essay that doesnt make any sense.
@@AreJay5721 good point yeah i agree with your statement more then mine
I think if Squishy really tried and fell in love with RL again like he did back in 2018, the creativity. I think he could beat Zen with experience and previous peaking. Squishy was practical doing the same shots then as zen is now.. almost.. Idk what's going with Squishy but I really think he needs our support
Dont think so
@@Dreamerick97the hopium is mad 😂
@@mangarealm242 The copium is mad. Zen literally played the supporting role for the first 2 majors and he still clipped on people. He is literally seen as being on a league of his own even by pros.
@@mangarealm242squishy was literally the mechanical god player on c9, what are you talking about?
@onenottwo3918 squishy did the same thing back then, made mechanics the meta today. The only thing is, Zen does it a little faster. Squishy is ready for a comeback, God don't dis the legends who made the game it is today
New players will never be better then old players for one reason. Old players pioneered the game. It's way harder to be the first guy to try something then the last guy to perfect it. The older players squishy, jstn, kaydop, deevo, kuxir, scrub, ect revolutionized the game so that others players had easier paths to greatness. Especially guy's like squishy who were also doing tutorial vids to teach young players. I wish more people would speak up when you got players like Joyo and rise belittling older players, calling them trash or washed. What they will never realize is no matter how many lans they win, they will never be remembered as one of the greats. They will never be pioneers.
You spoke nothing but facts my guy
The difficult reality to accept with rocket league is that as the skill ceiling continues to move away from the overall player base. The less the player base will be able to appreciate what’s going on. Squishy had mechanics that are now a staple in RL gameplay and while they are difficult. They are understandable even to new players. It’s hard to see Zen clips and truly understand what’s happening unless you watch RL all the time. I’m excited for how good players will be but the game will continue to fade and become more of a niche game.
Make you wonder if in 5 years time all the pros will be doing what zen is doing now and if there will be some new prodigy who makes zen look ordinary. Seems hard to imagine
Man in 5 years I'll be an adult 😢
I’d imagine we’ve probably nearly hit the skill ceiling
@@JamesButler-yw6rmhard to say. That’s what people were saying in 2018. And look at where the game is now.
I remember people saying double resets would be useless in competitive play, now look at them. Proven to be a viable way to score nowadays.
People were even saying flip resets and ceiling shots were useless in competitive play. Until squishy was the first one to pull off both of those on LAN.
It may be hard to imagine the skill can be pushed any further at this point in time, but you just never know. I guess we will see in 5 years.
You can’t even compare the two in my opinion. If you had to try, it’s nothing close to what this video portrayed and goes way deeper than the surface. Trying to compare… Squishy is RL Jesus and Zen is a newborn Jonsandman lol it’s not even a little bit close. For the new kids in here, go watch a RLCS game from 2018 to understand how good Squish actually was
I think a comparison video from squishy 2018 to squishy 2022-23 would be interesting
There's a video out there of squishy playing against zen in 2s. Squishy is still very threatening. I know a single 2s game isn't much to go on but it was a very good game considering squishy was solo queuing and distracted while doing a sponsored stream for NRG
I dont think this video does Squishy justice, because you took clips from 2023. If you think that Squishy couldnt hit some of these clips that zen is going for if you watch him stream and his yt its just wrong. You took a peak 2018 montage, but didnt do him justice by giving him the flowers. its not like squishy retired. The vast difference would be comparing Kronovi from S1 to Squishy S6. Thats the equivelant of what youre doing now. Squishy is still a top pro in NA imo. Could still grind to number 1 in the world if he wanted. Also dont forget that all of zens clips are inspired by squishy from 2018.
this is facts
5:07 i really miss this shit man
This is the same comparison as many other sports, people look back at old footage of older pros and question if one is better, but in all reality they aren’t comparable.
I think making a general video based on mechanical highlights from any pro player in 2018 vs 2023 would make a lot more sense than just squishy from 2018 vs zen in 2023, like a 2023 squishy vs 2023 zen makes a lot more sense than this no?
who was more impressive for their time? squishy for 2018 or zen rn?
ngl considering the defense that zen plays against makes him more impressive
Squishy because bro was doing stuff that was so hard to do during that time it was very hard to defend against
They are both doing things that no one else ever even thought of doing such as zens redirect
Well, today you can counter really good players on casual. The fact is that i'm think Squishy was really ahead of the other players, not just like Zen now, i think there are more player now that can counter zen. But in 2018 was literally in another planet, the car control was ridiculus. And also, despite little talk about him, he has been one of the best 1v1 players for years.
i feel like the biggest difference is really just consistency in the mechanics and creativeness players have now. Because what squishy did back then is what people can do now pretty consistently. Squishy was basically the Zen of 2018 imo
Glazing while sunburnt is crazy
the Zen glazing by Kep in insane
on the clip of Squishy scoring an air dribble own goal, all the comments say he's trash, and the 0.1% who say he isn't got harassed.
Squishy discovered mechanics, Zen mastered them.
It’s crazy just knowing this is zens first split in the rlcs with 3 regional wins sheessh
2018 Squish has current Retals mechanics lol
What I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that Squishys goals here are all no directional air roll which now virtually no pros including Squishy himself plays with.
you have to keep in mind squishy only used normal air roll aswell.
I'm curious about what Rocket League will be like on Unreal Engine 5. Personally, I didn't think there would be enough boost for Zen to pull off these super mechanical plays in RLCS.
what😂
@@DurkDiggler What part confused you?
What does UE5 have to do with anything?
@@moz6388 Kep mentions what will the game looks like in 5 years, by that time I imagine it will be on UE5.
Squishy made the game that Zen is now playing.
This is how game looks when you get to learn everything in the game
I have something to say squishy is one of the best professional players in the world to me by far if he had a good team that can relate to him he would be the best player every hands down , but after seeing this rookie zen come from nothing the one of the best players in the world to win worlds I definitely feel like zen is squishy in this Era that would be a dominant duo on the same team overall I’m proud of Zen .
wow
This is the plot of Cars 3
I love how all of them have alpha boost
greatness vs perfection*
Imagine first RLCS winners vs Renault now xD
Acronik,oski and vatira scored double reset in rlcs acronik one was back in rlcs X eich is crazy to think about
Really seems like people are just faster now.
and the original god of rocket league was Kro. it's a constant cycle we'll see someone after zen and it will continue
Funny how Kep is basically the only person to call it the air drag like the original name...
Just shows how long we've all been playing and haven't even realised lmao
2018 RLCS was High Gc2 of today, CHANGE MY MIND
1:35 what did you shoot in Golf
Pace and consistency have changed much more than mechanical peak. And we're not even close to the max
Yeah, the introduction of TAS to RL has shown we are nowhere near the technical skill ceiling of this game yet, not even close. Eventually someone will come along with an even higher mech ceiling and we'll be right back to this same conversation lol.
Real
Honestly... Im the Zen. Of C3, I allways carry my tm8s, make crazy goals, passes and saves.
Does anyone know the channel name of the first zen video?
Can you make a new preset video if you have new presets, please?
Unfortunately you can not compare. It's like football then and now. And when it comes to gaming, 5 years is a lot.
Me looking at 2018 mechanics and wishing I could at least do half of that 😭
Im still working on season one rlcs mechanics
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the fact that Zen was still a child while Squishy worked as a Pro Rocket league player just sounds weird to me
You should do jstn back then and Daniel now
bro is the most sunburnt
8:45 Rocket League Pros uploads his ranked games all the time.
Zen is like squishy adapted to 2023 and 2023 mechanics, topic closed
Players weren't speed flipping in 2018 either, I believe the speed flip started in the 2019-2020 era
I think the skill is pretty matched for the times obviously players have to be better now because people over time have adapted from 2018 and so you have to be better and more creative with ur shots or else u cant score at this level of play
Squishy revolutionized more. Like half the stuff zen does just better. Like squishy made flip resets relevant now zen just does better flip resets
Yes let's compare Shohei Otani to a caveman that learned how to hit a rock with a stick. 😂
bro is in love w zen
Rip squishy nrg. Best of luck with future endeavors. Changed the game and will go down as the best mechanical and brainiac shot of all time in RLCS. Nothing beats the ceiling fake
Great video Alpha i remember all the Squishy clips
Compare this video 5 years later
Who's here after Squishy left NRG 😢.
Road to gc #1
you mentioned how bad defense was 5 years ago but it's because only a handful of people in the world were doing what squishy was doing lol this was very entertaining though nice video
Rocket League came to a point when missing the shot off a flip reset is [extremely] unexpected. (Unless it was a fake) :D
I've seen a lot of people say Squishy is washed he's no longer pro tier and he'll get slammed if he goes back to RLCS. Like are yall fr? Listen to yourselves.
You comparing apples and oranges in the next video?
The difference between Squishy and Zen is Zen has amazing mechs BUT Squishy is the person that basically brought most of these mechs into the Rocket League scene such as flip resets and ceiling. My point is it’s easier to learn mechs and pull them off when there are tutorials that show you how to pull off these mechs but when you have to go from almost scratch to learn these it’s harder
Besides Kronovi
Ceiling shots my b
what all did squishy discover?
im still waiting for squishy and zen to 1v1
I can easily 1v1 zen
I calling him out
Mechs have barely evolved, its literally just the speed and consistency that has improved an insane amount