Why do MPs love culture wars? | UK politics | The New Statesman podcast
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2024
- Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer have both jumped on culture wars issues. Why?
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Anoosh Chakelian and Rachel Cunliffe answer a listener, who asks why politicians are so easily drawn out on culture wars issues - like Keir Starmer and the Nike football shirt, or Rishi Sunak supporting JK Rowling over Scottish anti-hate laws.
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Because culture wars are free and they can’t be asked to fix water, eduction, health, policing, farming or housing because that costs money?
Exactly, without culture war drivel, they might have to detail policies that would actually *do* something
Exactly culture wars are a distraction technique. While you are discussing these things all the important things go under the radar
But the idea that politics is about doing things like education is something that only really got going in the late 19th century onwards. Politics and culture have always been massively linked. The Roman Emperors cared deeply about putting on a good show in the Colosseum.
It’s good old fashioned divide and conquer, otherwise how would the Tories get people to vote against their own best interests. Less than 1% of the population are transgender yet look how much attention the right think people should pay to any issues around it, and it’s not so any meaningful debate about the quality of counselling young people thinking about transitioning receives or the use of puberty blockers, it’s always to reduce it to over simplified sound bites. The boats crossing the channel is a perfect example, it represented less than 10% of immigration last year and if there were safe, legal routes for people to claim asylum and an asylum system that processed applications efficiently and removed the people who’s application failed hardly anyone would think about it but if you close those routes so people have to risk their lives in a very public way that the Tory press can make headlines from and you allow the backlog to build up and up so countless hotels are filled with people stuck in limbo you can appeal to people’s worst instincts and get quite a lot of votes. It’s all to get ordinary people to look down for their problems and not to look up at the real reason their lives are more difficult.
The right are not pushing transgender! Safe routes are no answer to anything. Your just saying you want more migration.
Criminalising emotions is a Bad Plan. Should be obvious.
They were taught to use culture wars from the USA Republicans who have used them very successfully for 30+ years.
I hate the torys. I must be arrested immediately.
I think you are ok unless you hate trans Tories? Or is that Scotland? Is it Israeli Tories south of the border?
Just wait until Labour gets in, and then it will get even worse.
how the hell will they have time/resources to police this..expect DV investigations to plummett!!!!
Which centre-right, English, flag-shagging political party to vote for… decisions, decisions.
"Dead cats" as they say, I always have the same thought when a headline leaks out, ah yes, the Tories will love this, get to play up on this easy fringe issue rather than sorting actual issues!
3:06 "Culture wars are cheap" - they are, until you pick the wrong fight and look to be on the wrong side, and then they become very damaging and very expensive.
Which side do you think is the right one? The one that believes in equal rights, freedom and live and let live, or the one that gets triggered about non-white people, trans people and gay people existing and, shock horror, demanding equal rights and to not be abused for simply being who they are?
hes also PM for Scottish people? right, maybe that's why
Waste of breath = politicians
MOST MPs are using hate words all the time😊
That because they learned how to do this from their American Republican cousins. Look how successful the last 30 years of culture wars has been in the USA for the right-wing.
Why do they like it? If timed well, a few 'culture war' references can function as a lightning rod to deflect from other things.
It's all smoke and mirrors!
Easy potential wins.
If the subject is publicly galvanising enough and has a very clear majority of the public thinking the same thing, it's easy for the top brass in government to get some air time.
It can also massively backfire ...
Why did Rishi have to destroy Adidas Samba? Worth another podcast
I think there is a lack of self-reflection regarding the football shirts. The leaders of all three parties probably like fish and chips. If that was being reported widely, it wouldn't be odd that they agreed, it would be odd that you were talking about it.
I seem to recall a speech at party conference called “back to basics”
How did that work for John major?
I like the flag on Nike shirts
they dont want us all to come together ....so they cause divisions....😁
Because it distracts people who are easily distracted from reality and real problems.
Simple. Distraction from more important issues.
Plus politicians have always used 'divide and rule'.
It doesn’t cost anything
I think this is partially true. But also I do feel like sometimes the government is under some pressure to act because of circumstances forced upon them.
For example the new report suggesting we need to decolonise the foreign office. The government won't really be able to avoid that.
Or the recent "black only" theatre events which Rishi spoke up against. If I'm personally honest as someone who has only ever voted left wing. I am still glad he did it. Racial segregation has no place in our country and I can't believe it's suddenly becoming popular in some areas of the left.
We have a rapidly shifting population in the UK due to immigration and most of it is great and adds value.
There is a sense though that some people just do not like the UK (or White British people) very much. I have been called a 'white coloniser' a few times more recently.
I think over the next 10 years the government of the day will have to navigate perhaps remedying some of these issues of our history curriculum which does ignore non-white lives lost in say WW1 and WW2. While also not hating Britain and not being able to stand up for the more positive elements of our past. Some of it really was very good and we shouldn't be afraid to say that.
Scottish legislation almost as Scottish play.
One day I'm going to hear someone talk about Keir Starmer and they won't mention that he likes football 🙄
why are they trying to both sides this. its just the tories
Dirty politics
These are issues that some people really care about though. Even if others consider them trivial distractions.
Though when it comes to matters of policing speech, I think that _should_ be a high priority for political debate.
1:36 her tweets pointed out the outrageous misogynistic behavior of those people that she listed who were men.
Its exactly the same legislation as currently exists in ENGLAND and WALES
Because they are out of ideas
I think there is no difference between violence and hate one leads to the other. There under the law you should be allowed to say anything including lies, defamation, slander, support for terrorism. The whole lot. I don’t trust anyone to police what you are allowed to say. That’s free speech absolutism.
The headline should be why do the Tory’s love the culture wars .
It's all of the political parties. You can't possibly claim that only one invests their energy in cultural issues.
@@andybrice2711you’re half right. Title should be “why do the right wing parties love culture wars?” Because they haven’t yet grown up is probably correct.
Because culture wars usually hurt the left. Exception : the far right trying to ban abortion in the USA.
Deflection from economic failings
3:13 munyachawawa repeated this same talking point word for word. Yet has the nerve to joke about “echo chamber” 🙄
It’s not really a culture “war”. This is a misnomer from dominant groups who feel threatened by minorities and those they have marginalized gaining recognition or status. It may appear to be a ‘skirmish’ about ideas, and not economics - so we designate it culture, but that is a conservative tactic to sensationalize difference and imbue it with emotional shock. By provoking reaction and outrage, they mobilize political support. More accurately, a ‘culture war’ is a bad faith or strategic media campaign, which attacks the legitimacy of minorities to exist in terms of minority rights such as legal equality, political inclusion and the social status of difference.
Its about public policy and the direction of our society. Its a key part of their job. They should of pushed back decades ago.
The Tories like a culture war, it is the only sign of them actually engaging at all in anything resembling policy. They don’t actually do anything, but they get to go on telly and appear concerned about whatever their latest manufactured concern is.
Is it either or? Is free speech less important than expensive social problems? I don't think one must supplant the other. There are examples you highlighted where politicians were acting to deflect being held accountable for big issues, surprise surprise. But that itself is a red herring.
I'm asking myself why I'm so interested in British political issues when my country is facing an existential crisis. I suspect yours, though important, is less frightening.
A graphic? Its the national flag.
Yeah but people have played with the colour scheme many many times, it's a well established thing to do particularly with the union flag.
Everyone losing their mind on this one occasion is just a good example of the goldfish memory of the public.
It's just a flag. It's not a religious text or something.
GROW UP you baby
No guv. It’s a design confection. Just like the graphics on Labour’s leaflets, or the blue Tory version from some years ago, or a Spice Girl’s dress etc, etc, etc
@@jezlawrence720 I guess you can re-colour the Union Jack and it still retains its distinctive form.
Whereas if you re-colour the St George’s Cross. It’s just a cross.
So I can understand why people might be annoyed if a symbol they care about is transformed into one they find irrelevant, in an attempt to politicize their interests.
@@johnrichards2508I suppose the difference is, those weren’t perceived to be replacing the original symbol.
If the Green Party put a green Union Jack on their leaflets. Conservatives would not be offended. If they took down British flags and replaced them with green ones. Then conservatives probably would be offended.
And in fairness. I think it would also work the other way around. Imagine if a major institution re-coloured the Pride flag red white and blue to make it “more British”. There’d be outcry.
Especially if those objecting were then accused of starting a culture war.
I don't think men dressing up as women is the biggest issue in the country right now
Crumbling schools blindings , 8 out of 10 people can not see their GP when they are sick , high gas and electricity bills, raising cost of local council tax , potholes on roads , high cost of living. Child poverty, lack of affordable housing, failing justice system, full prison. Failure to process asylum applications .
Interesting how you regard the changing of the Saint George Cross as 'rebranding'. Perhaps people push back against change because the people who push back against change recognise (say) symbols and the values the symbols represent might be actually sacred (connected to God). Saint George was crucified for not renouncing his Christian faith. If you regard nothing to be sacred, so be it.
I doesn't bother 2 woke women activists, of course. But it bothers a huge chunk of the population.
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