Is it just me or do a lot of new sects of Christianity start out with speaking in tongues and then just dropping it later? We're on the pentecostals now...or at least one subsect of them
I’m a furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc. Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
Quite a few times actually 😛 If you’re thinking of Joseph Smith though, the early Latter-day Saints actually have contact with the shakers. Joseph received revelations about them too.
I met Brother Arnold many years ago. He was so kind a spirit. My family has links to the Sabbath Day Lake Community and they raised us with some of their ideas. When I got to ask a friend of my dad's who was raised there (she was an economic orphan in the 30's) about how children were disciplined she said there was no need. She said the Shakers were all so kind and gentle that the kids could not imagine doing anything to upset them.
There is a Lebanon, Missouri. Originally named Wyota, after a native tribe, the name was changed in the mid-1800s, at the request of a local minister who wanted to honor his hometown in Tennessee.
My wife and I enjoy visiting the Shaker museum in Canterbury, NH. For years, the history docents giving tours would give excellent historical descriptions of the Shakers, but the approach tended to be along the lines of, "Man these people were crazy, right?" Then one year we got someone who took a more emic perspective and it changed our whole view of them. No, we won't be converting any time soon but we could better sympathize with their worldview and why they lived like they did. For instance he quoted a Shaker response to a local's question about why there were no tombstones in the Shaker cemetery; the answer was that tombstones were (in Shaker eyes) icons, attempts at immortality, while God knows where each of us is at all times. He doesn't need a tombstone to find us (according to the Shakers). The Canterbury, NH community apparently spent much of the 19th century fairly consistently near the 1,000 population mark, and one of their "recruiting" methods was accepting orphans or even kids from local farming families whom the families couldn't afford to support -- sometimes just seasonally. Kids whom the Shakers raised were taught a trade, and had the opportunity when they turned 18 to either remain with the community or leave -- taking their trade and ability to make a living with them if they went. (Local communities really appreciated this aspect.) The local farmers sent their kids to the Shaker school which was 1. excellent quality, and 2. did not try to convert the kids. The Shakers also kept up on technology (they were not Amish, we were reminded), and for instance were able to afford to send some of their own to become licensed dentists complete with the latest equipment -- which services they made available to the local farming community. As I think you mentioned, they also started some of their own businesses, with proceeds going back to the community. Finally, and for me most interestingly, when the dwindling community came to the realization in 1957 that the Canterbury cell was dying -- the creation of state orphanages around the turn of the century put a big dent in their "recruiting" -- they reached out to the local NH artist community to train local artists and artisans in Shaker crafts (baskets, furniture, weaving, wood working, etc.) so that these Shaker styles would not die out with the community ,and in fact each year there is a Shaker crafts festival held nearby in Canterbury of the descendants of those artists who continue the Shaker methods and styles. If you buy something in the Canterbury, NH Shaker museum gift shop, it was likely made by one of these non-Shaker artists. They also structured the museum in terms of what was accessible and the finances to ensure the care of the dwindling number of Shakers, so that they could live out their lives on the Canterbury Shaker campus as they had before the changes of 1957. The last one passed away in the 1990s, and had her own apartment in the living quarters that was off-limits to museum visitors -- but she lived out her life well-taken care of.
The Shakers achieved their greatest number of members after the Civil War. There were many orphaned children with no organization capable of handling the numbers. The Shakers took them all in and though many left, many still remained.
The shakers made great furniture and architecture. Let's not forget their contribution to fashion, the Shaker cloak, and their religious music is pretty times. "When true simplicity is gained, to bow and to bend we shan't be ashamed". A lot of their message was spot on. The main problem is celebacy and being isolated in rural communes. That usually leads to power struggles. I visited the last remaining Quaker community in Sabbathday Lake Maine back in the 70s. The few Remaining members were mostly elderly, but completely committed to their faith and lifestyle. I admired their dedication. They were holding on to the end, believing that there movement would flourish again.
Also a Fun Fact is that Aaron Copeland used the tune to score choreographer Martha Graham's 1944 ballet Appalachian Spring. This made the song more popular!
There was a group of Shakers in TN. They were known for making high quality wooden furniture, rocking chairs and such. I remember going to visit "Shakertown" as a kid to check out their furniture because it was a big deal to my grandparents.
As a grad student in religious studies at Indiana University in the mid 1980s, I worked closely with Steven Stein as he researched the Shakers. I transcribed microfiche copies of hand written vision diaries and catalogued business letters between the Shakers and "worldly" business associates. In 1995 I visited with a friend who lived on the old Shaker settlement in New Lebanon, NY. The community then housed a new spiritual community (associated with the Sufi Order of the West). I spent the night in a room in the old meeting house, ate in the dining hall where, a century or more earlier, Shakers had eaten. I recall the double staircase where men and women would use separate but mirror image sets of stairs to get to the second floor of the building.
I have visited the last active Shaker village a few times! The Sabbath Day Lake Shaker Village in rural Maine. They make some of the best teas and spices, amongst other things. It's worth a visit-there is a museum guided tours and it just a beautiful place to see.
Thank you so much for making this! I love your covering of Christianity because it highlights all that we, who grew up in the church, were not taught. Not only of the history of the religion but also the diversity of thought found within. All your videos are so important in the ways you explain the religions of the world in such an approachable way. You remind us that at root we share commonalities with all people of the world! Keep sharing!
@MarkelMathurin You could argue that it's not proper Protestanism, but it's definitely a "Christian" sect. Early and High Medieval Christianity had far more crazier sects than this.
I’m a fine furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc. Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
After the war we had some first very bitter years in Germany. All big cities were destroyed, fuel was scarce, food as well and we had the coldest winters of the century. The shakers started to send food packages for the starving people in Germany, called "care packages". For us German it seemed as if angels opened the heaven, we knew how guilty we were, and that we didn't deserved any help.
I see no one would reply to your comment with a ten foot pole. Personally, it evokes skepticism because of extremeness of perspective. I make it a point to read everything I can on the subject and this is unique, especially on a well done channel with Jewish undertones. Additionally, I wonder about the care packages from the 70s (and 1968 in your name) when, during advertisement, would have that cupped hand symbol. In the end, I'm happy to see such a positive statement and view. I must say that the Journal from a U boat commander had a letter from his loved one which was more affecting that King's letter from Birmingham jail.
I visited a Shaker commune in Kentucky back in the early 2000’s. I had no idea their beliefs were this divergent. They didn’t really reveal that. Interesting
I’m always interested in doomsday/imminent second coming type Christian theology. It’s everywhere. People have been saying we’re in the “end times” for as long as I’ve been alive. Yet things keep going and people still say it.
It's been considered 'right around the corner' ever since christianity became a thing. Kinda baked in. I mean, according to at least one of the gospels Jesus promised his disciples they'd see it happen, and soon.
The end times were 2,000 years ago, with Nero as the Antichrist, then we entered the new age (dark ages) where Jesus' followers took over the world, as he predicted, and now the millennial kingdom is over, Christ has returned to finally judge the world, he had his armageddon 80 years ago, and now he is about to hand over the kingdom to God, which will happen in the next 100 years approximately. At least that's a new age inspired preterist take on the Christian escatology. There are as many possible interpretations as there are people.
@@AnotherCraigOne way to look at it is that Jesus did return during their lifetimes, and it is even recorded in the new testament canon, where Jesus must go in order to send the holy spirit, and it is said that Jesus became a life-giving spirit, so Jesus returned as the holy spirit at pentecost, so the holy Roman empire was Christ's kingdom on Earth.
@@Michael-Archonaeus How could Rome be god's empire on Earth if most of the emperors were terrible people and none of them became christian until the year 250?
I live in the area where the shakers settled down. My high school was even named after them. I still never learned nothing about them until now thank you for always teaching something new
@aasifazimabadi786 Sufism and Protestantism are both big umbrellas. Every Dervish isn't involved in what you're alluding to, and many would argue that the practice you're alluding to is heretical.
@@realtalk6195 You are right; there are orthodox Sufis, even if the Wahhabis (the ones who call themselves “Salafis”) deny it. Even Wahhabis are not a monolith. Fun fact: I have both Sufis and Wahhabis in my family.
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“Simple Gifts” was one of the dance songs. Aaron Copland used the melody. His lyrics are: “'Tis the gift to be simple 'Tis the gift to be free 'Tis the gift to come down Where we ought to be And when we find ourselves In the place just right 'Twill be in the valley Of love and delight” More traditional Christian verses were composed as “The Lord of the Dance.” “I danced in the morning when the world was begun, And I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun, And I came down from heaven and I danced on the earth, At Bethlehem I had my birth. “(Refrain) Dance, then, wherever you may be; I am the Lord of the Dance, said he. And I’ll lead you all wherever you may be, And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.”
I’m from Maine and I have been to the last active Shaker village. I remember being surprised at the quality of the homemade furniture. Of course I kept my surprise to a respectful degree, as the village was still an active religious site
I loved visiting Shakertown in Kentucky as a kid. It felt so foreign to me, but comforting at the same time. I'd love to go back as an adult now that I can understand more about the movement.
What??? This was an amazing video. This is why I freaking love your channel. I have NEVER even heard of this. I would LOVE to visit these museums if I ever get the chance... What a wild micro journey into the history of this largely unknown religious sect... I truly appreciate this, I had a really bad day lol... You are an absolute gift to the world... Thank you so much...
@@sumuraikuithuhotu3819 “But he was gettin' money with the movers and the shakers He was mixed with a couple things, ball like a couple rings Bricks in the condo and grams to Sing Sing” - highschool by nicki minaj
13:50 That's exactly what happened to Christianity, generally. The first Christians held to various theologies, their belief in Jesus as the "Christ" ("Anointed One"), "Messiah," etc, sent by God, being the common denominator. After Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, one faction, which promoted the "orthodox," "conventional" Christianity, we know today, suppressed competing views, and discarded many Scriptures, at the Council of Nicaea, which threatened their control of the hearts & minds of the followers of Jesus.
I had the pleasure of meeting Brother Arnold in the winter of 2020. I had acquired a Walking (Great) Wheel which had documentation and attributed to a shaker, Allen Bangs, of the Sabbath DAY Lake Community. I no longer had the space for the wheel, and reached out to see if I could donate the wheel. My wife and I got to return the wheel to where it was made over 200 years ago, and got to visit the shaker village.
One of our neighbors and a close family friend, James Cogar of Midway, Kentucky, was responsible for the restoration of Shakertown at Pleasant Hill Kentucky back in the 1960’s. He also was in large part responsible for the restoration of Colonial Williamsburg in Virginia.
You should make a video on the “Mitas,” the only religion to begin in Puerto Rico. Adherents believed that the holy spirit reincarnated as a woman in the town of Arecibo. Very interesting and understudied.
Actually the well known tune "Simple Gifts" sometimes called "Lord of the Dance" memorialized in Aaron Copland's ballet "Appalachian Spring" was originally a Shaker hymn and (It's probably also in the latter part of the video) Shaker furniture design -known for its sturdiness and functionality.
5:04 whirling with rapidity to dance along with the shaking uncontrollably and fainting spells reminds me of myself when I get too happy and excited about something, but for me the cause is just several very common but not particularly harmful specific medical diagnosis causes and that spinning in circles when I dance just feels so incredibly physically good and lets out the energy of the happiness I’m feeling in a tangible way that doesn’t usually bother any of the other people I might be near at the time, dancing and spinning is like everything that is my skin and outer body is compressed into the spinning to the central line from where I turn from floor to ceiling and makes the whole world look like streaks of light, I also really like mary go rounds and swings for the same compressive force centrifugal motion feeling.
I live in Massachusetts not far from the Hancock Shaker Village, it is a beautiful historical museum. Thanks for making this video and providing a greater amount of insight into this sect.
At some point, the Shakers also used adoption as a way to get more members. The community would adopt orphans. Eventually laws were passed to prevent this from happening.
@@LimeyLassen The problem at the time being there often weren't orphanages, or at least not enough of them. It was be adopted by a weird religious movement or beg on the street, take it or leave it. Once more secular systems for handling orphans became available it really did a number on the weird movements.
And they pass out from exhaustion. I think we should bring this back as a medical treatment, if someone's ADHD is getting too wild, just send them for a night with the shakers!😂
I attended an indigenous event with oyster bay first nation on Vancouver island canada. Their mission contact was shaker and has largely remained a community faith still practiced in some form including an ascetic abstinence from alcohol.
I grew up in Latham, NY and went to the Shaker Site all the time. My mom was on their board for a bit. So many stories of ghosts and haunted objects in the archives, rocking chairs moving by themselves in the attic. One of my mom’s history students did an internship there cataloging their artifacts. One night, she was handling a doll and placed it away in storage. She was the only one there that night. The next morning, she pulls up to the site and the doll was sitting on the front steps 😅
I was excited to see that you were covering the Shakers, a group I've admired for many years. Unfortunately I think you missed the important things with an approach that is overly theoretical. I think it's more helpful to see the Shakers (and the Quakers) in terms of how they lived. I don't think theology as you understand it played that great a role. They were mystics living communally with an amazing record of creativity and ingenuity. Anyone interested in the Shakers can consult the many books about their creations.
throughout this video I saw a number of similarities between the Shaker movement and the LDS movement. Both started by charismatic leaders, both had radical attitudes about or toward women (but in different directions in terms of autonomy and in leadership). Rutinization effected them differently with the Mormons being driven out of several sites westward into the wild west.
As a Quaker I'd be interested in your source for our name coming from a practice of actual quaking? As I heard it told it came from Fox telling a judge to "tremble at the word of the lord". Interesting video
Hi there! A few scholars mentioned this in my research. Stephen Stein mentions it in his history of the Shakers on pages 3-4: “The term had been applied derisively to the followers of George Fox, the Quakers, for the same reason-namely, a quaking caused by "Vapours in their Estatick Fits." Dr. Ben Dandelion at the University of Birmingham mentions it too in his book “Quakers: A Very Short Introduction” on page 39: “As mentioned at the start of the book, ‘Quaker’ was originally a pejorative term applied by Justice Bennett when Fox was on trial in Derby in 1650, and referred to the way the early Friends shook and trembled during worship.”
@@ReligionForBreakfast that's interesting, I think the account of it coming from Bennet it's the same instance I'm talking about, and came directly from fox's diaries, so I wonder if its been augmented with other info or if its a corruption, thanks for the answer!
The Shakers invented the circular saw, the first commercial washing machine (for a hotel), sweetened condensed milk, and started the first mail order seeds business.
Ily 🫶🏾 Andrew. Keep making these videos. I’m an Ohioan, and these people are my neighbors; and I knew nothing of Mother Ann. I’ll keep the rest of my comments in my brain. God bless the United States of America. It’s July 4th when I watched this 😊
A shaker community in Ohio now known as Shaker Heights. I think not far from Cleveland, Ohio. Interestingly I read when they looked at what was found in the community were empty containers of alcohol. Apparently some shakers were into more than just shaking but also drinking as well.
The Shaker Village near Lexington Kentucky is a fascinating place. I knew nothing about the group till I moved to the bluegrass state. It was pretty much abandoned in the 1920's but most of it remained intact. I found the living conditions for men and women, how the building was divided in two, one side being for men and the other women, and they were a mirror image from each other. They did divide work by gender. Still for the 19th century is was an exception for equality.
I spent 3 years living at the Mount Lebanon village as it's been a boarding school since the 1930s. The Central Ministry building is now the main class building. Being a teenager, it's easy to forget you're living in a museum but videos like this help put it into perspective. It's surreal to see all these buildings again, hear the names (which now name the buildings) and hear about the Shaker beliefs and customs again. Some of which were selectively integrated into daily life on campus. To say the slogan "Hands to work, hearts to God" was stated often is putting it lightly. Funny enough, the use of these old buildings for religious purposes actually survives the Shakers as right next to the school is now The Abode of the Message, a Sufi retreat and study center.
I went to a shaker museum in Kentucky as a kid - Pleasant Hill. What struck me the most was the extrememe separation of the sexes- they even had separate doors and staircses!
@ReligionForBreakfast they sound very similar to the Koreshan community in Southwest Florida, a celibate commune that lasted until the 1980s tangentially related to the Mormons. I don't know that there's too much information about them since they were pretty low-key and recent, but they did have some small local impact in the area around where they settled and the commune has been turned into a public park.
Interesting. Seems its founder Cyrus Teed was only a distant relative to Joseph Smith, so there's no real Mormon connection. It also does not seem to be a Christian-derived religion per se. Definitely deserves a video though.
Also Quaker. There is an online pastor (non-denominational) who told her flock that the Quakers died out (confused with Shakers). I wrote an email to explain the difference, but she probably ignored me.
I think the process of routinization (in many religious movements) can be described as a group of believers turning to each other and saying “ok, so the world didn’t end. Now what?”
Among other challenges. (Running out of money, dwindling membership, getting in legal trouble, ect.) Eventually a cult either has to normalize in order to expand, or tighten their control to keep people in.
Have you considered covering the Rātana Faith? (Te Haahi Rātana or the Morehu?) This year is their 100th anniversary of the World Tour when the charismatic, Prophet Rātana travelled around the world to heal it from the damage caused by ww1 and the influenza as well as to advocate in Britain and before the League of Nations at Geneva for the sovereignty of the Māori people. Kereama Pene one of the current leaders (there is no overall leader at the moment while grieving is being observe for the former leader who passed this year) is travelling the world in his footsteps to mark the anniversary. It is one of the many Māori Prophetic movements, and the one with the biggest mark on New Zealand today. It has elements you could apply these theories and lens on while also containing many unique aspects or aspects brought from it's Māori as well as Protestant and Catholic foundations. There are scholars such as Ruia and Keith Newman, Hirini Kaa and others who have published or teach about this and the Church itself is thriving and is a source of information. I believe Rātana would fit in well with the other groups covered in your videos while being unique enough to not be covering the same ground.
To be fair, this is generally not considered to be a true and accurate portrait and in many cases is not used in shaker historical accounts due to the fact that it was a drawing made/used by someone for purposes of.the pseudoscience of phrenology which involves the measuring the skull and its bumps measurement to ascertain certain behavioral traits and intellectual capabilities. So it is likely that the forehead here is a vast exaggeration.Many phrenology-related drawings vastly enlarge the skull size of the subject.
“Sister June & Brother Arnold” rebuilding a colourful American religion, would be the perfect premise for an 80s sitcom. Catchy theme song & supporting cast of local residents & prospective new members, maybe with occasional cameo voiced off stage from Ann? Merchandise might be tricky, kids pjs or a plushy toy based off that unflattering engraving might be a tough to break into Xmas market
There's definitely a spiritual component to the Constitution and early foundation documents. And like a religion it takes credit for existing ideas like natural law.
I wonder what the difference was between the Shakers' ecstatic practices and speaking in tongues; there was one comparison mentioned in the video, but what distinguishes one from the other?
I'm in my fifties and have always been interested in ancient and religious history, but to be brutally honest, most religious denominations seemed to have been started by utter crackpots. It helps put modern cults into perspective and it tells me a lot about humanity and human nature... sadly.
@@Michael-ArchonaeusLower down there are usually people with good intentions. Not at the top. At the top what they want is power. I seriously doubt there is even one exception to this.
I just drove by the Shaker Museum off i90 near us20. They are other type things around here around I88. This is all in New York from Albany to Binghamton.
I have visited the Shaker Village in Kentucky near Harrodsburg. The original buildings are so interesting. I appreciated how women were treated as equals during a time when that was not the norm.
I lived in a shaker village, New Lebanon New York, which is now a bordering school. We learned that they not only saw women as equals also black people and would accept any race. Hands to work and heart to god was a well known idea they expressed. Simple gifts is one of their most well known hymns and even in many Protestant hymn books. A shaker woman invented the circular saw. Dehydrated milk was their invention. The flat broom and the cloths pin. They were the first to sell seeds in small paper envelopes as is still popular today. They built the largest stone barn in North America.
Imagine having a whole group of people think you are a goddess, only to have history mostly forget you save for one picture of you and the picture is...that one.
Hearing how the Shakers discouraged marriage reminded me of Paul's words to Timothy: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth" (1 Timothy 4: 1-3, NIV, emphasis mine).
There is a model Shaker colonial village (kind of like at Williamsburg, Virginia) named "Old Economy" near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Local schools take field trips there a lot. I've probably been there a half-dozen times.
I just came to the realization that Shaker Heights, Ohio (near my hometown) was named after the Shakers religious group. My hometown was founded by the Quakers, and our school mascot was a giant Quaker dude's head.
Nice to see a video about the Shakers. I was surprised that it lasted as long as it did! I thought it died out back in the mid-19th Century. All in all, a very interesting group!
I am, and come from a long line of shaking quakers, descent from one of the original, Ruthmore lineage. There’s a few….. misconceptions and a couple myths here. Right off the bat, we don’t shake or quake in ecstasy during worship. The Jericho congregations perform a relatively still (all standing in one place) recitation of the Remembrance and Testification of the Fulfilled. It is a unique worship that recites both the independent, third party, and the church testimonies of the Mothers truth, as well as a sort of proprietary Nicene Creed that utilizes distinct half sung/half yelled voices, together in a 2-4 part harmony, coupled with rising and falling voices that accent physical movements (stomp, clap, uplifted hands, etc) Its result is the shakikg of the earth, or shaking of the building, often to the point; that like the name Jericho Implies, it must be toned down or our faithful testimony brings down the house lol Not two… lol Two hundred.
I think if a female continued the Shaker religion. It would have been around much longer. The female gender promotes, compassion, unity, peace, creativity and love to one another. 🙏🏼 Something that is needed In today’s world.
A Shaker Hymn 'Tis a gift to be simple, 'Tis a gift to be free. 'Tis a gift to come down where we ought to be. And when we find ourselves in the place just right 'Twill be in the valley of love and delight. When true simplicity is gained, to bow and to bend we will not be ashamed, to turn, turn will be our delight, Til by turning, turning we come out right
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Can you explain the movers next?
Who knew ❤
The most important question is: what were their view on oats? 😋
Is it just me or do a lot of new sects of Christianity start out with speaking in tongues and then just dropping it later? We're on the pentecostals now...or at least one subsect of them
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I’m a furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc.
Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
Odd that they were able to carve wood so well even if they shaked so much
I used to make Windsor furniture.
...oops, I meant 7:20
I was in the retail furniture business for many years and completely agree with your assessment.
I really like that song Simple Gifts. I guess the Shakers had their use.
"She had the fullness of the Godhead within her."
Indeed, it must have filled her head completely! Look at its size.
Yikes😮
The powers of herel mind were greatly enlarged by the gift of God.
More like, "She had the fullness of the forehead..." 🤪
Maybe the illustration was made as the Orthodox icons are - with enlarged craniums to symbolize the wisdom of the religious figures depicted.
No wonder they were celibate.
A Protestant offshoot with a charismatic leader that came out the Great Awakening in the Americas? Where have I heard that one before?
Quite a few times actually 😛
If you’re thinking of Joseph Smith though, the early Latter-day Saints actually have contact with the shakers. Joseph received revelations about them too.
@@jacobjensen7704 I'm also thinking of Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Christian Science
🤔 Hmmm sda😮?
@@MrDanielEarleIt was quite a productive time for religion!
@@MrDanielEarle Jehovah’s Witnesses are considerably later if I remember right.
You see?? Women can be crazy cult leaders too! You go girl! So inspiring!
Yep
It genuinely is inspiring. I also like how god to them was both male and female.
She trule gaslit, gatekept, and girlbossed
so girlboss of her! what a queen(of heaven)!
The Acolyte: The power of one, the power of two, the power of many...
(Is this why he chose to cover this at this point in time?)
That Mother Ann sure DOES have one heck of a God Head.
Silly 😊
Its a fivehead
I almost spit out my coffee, that illustration DID HER SO DIRTY
🤣🤣🤣 I coughed blood laughing at this
You beat me to it. 🤘🏻💀🤘🏻
I met Brother Arnold many years ago. He was so kind a spirit. My family has links to the Sabbath Day Lake Community and they raised us with some of their ideas. When I got to ask a friend of my dad's who was raised there (she was an economic orphan in the 30's) about how children were disciplined she said there was no need. She said the Shakers were all so kind and gentle that the kids could not imagine doing anything to upset them.
She lied lol. Children will definitely take advantage of kindness
@@MarkelMathurinchildren mirror us
I'm from Lebanon the country, seems like the Shakers headquarters is in Lebanon NY. Turns out wherever there's a Lebanon, things are always shaky!
POV Beirut 💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Heh. Well observed...
There is a Lebanon, Missouri. Originally named Wyota, after a native tribe, the name was changed in the mid-1800s, at the request of a local minister who wanted to honor his hometown in Tennessee.
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Especially ammonium nitrate stability .
My wife and I enjoy visiting the Shaker museum in Canterbury, NH. For years, the history docents giving tours would give excellent historical descriptions of the Shakers, but the approach tended to be along the lines of, "Man these people were crazy, right?" Then one year we got someone who took a more emic perspective and it changed our whole view of them. No, we won't be converting any time soon but we could better sympathize with their worldview and why they lived like they did. For instance he quoted a Shaker response to a local's question about why there were no tombstones in the Shaker cemetery; the answer was that tombstones were (in Shaker eyes) icons, attempts at immortality, while God knows where each of us is at all times. He doesn't need a tombstone to find us (according to the Shakers).
The Canterbury, NH community apparently spent much of the 19th century fairly consistently near the 1,000 population mark, and one of their "recruiting" methods was accepting orphans or even kids from local farming families whom the families couldn't afford to support -- sometimes just seasonally. Kids whom the Shakers raised were taught a trade, and had the opportunity when they turned 18 to either remain with the community or leave -- taking their trade and ability to make a living with them if they went. (Local communities really appreciated this aspect.) The local farmers sent their kids to the Shaker school which was 1. excellent quality, and 2. did not try to convert the kids.
The Shakers also kept up on technology (they were not Amish, we were reminded), and for instance were able to afford to send some of their own to become licensed dentists complete with the latest equipment -- which services they made available to the local farming community. As I think you mentioned, they also started some of their own businesses, with proceeds going back to the community.
Finally, and for me most interestingly, when the dwindling community came to the realization in 1957 that the Canterbury cell was dying -- the creation of state orphanages around the turn of the century put a big dent in their "recruiting" -- they reached out to the local NH artist community to train local artists and artisans in Shaker crafts (baskets, furniture, weaving, wood working, etc.) so that these Shaker styles would not die out with the community ,and in fact each year there is a Shaker crafts festival held nearby in Canterbury of the descendants of those artists who continue the Shaker methods and styles. If you buy something in the Canterbury, NH Shaker museum gift shop, it was likely made by one of these non-Shaker artists. They also structured the museum in terms of what was accessible and the finances to ensure the care of the dwindling number of Shakers, so that they could live out their lives on the Canterbury Shaker campus as they had before the changes of 1957. The last one passed away in the 1990s, and had her own apartment in the living quarters that was off-limits to museum visitors -- but she lived out her life well-taken care of.
All I care is the freak cult says no banging and that’s more than enough to guarantee I am absolutely not interested!
Really interesting! Thank you for writing
There is a field in Canterbury, NH with stone wall around it and a single large tombstone that says "Shakers"
It seems like such a community based religion that I can’t imagine being the last one…
went there in 4th grade (9/10 years old) for a school field trip, it was fun and educational. it's worth a visit :)
The Shakers achieved their greatest number of members after the Civil War. There were many orphaned children with no organization capable of handling the numbers. The Shakers took them all in and though many left, many still remained.
Yes, and a few years later states passed laws preventing religious .groups from adopting orphans..
I did not know that. Very interesting! Tfs
The shakers made great furniture and architecture. Let's not forget their contribution to fashion, the Shaker cloak, and their religious music is pretty times. "When true simplicity is gained, to bow and to bend we shan't be ashamed". A lot of their message was spot on. The main problem is celebacy and being isolated in rural communes. That usually leads to power struggles. I visited the last remaining Quaker community in Sabbathday Lake Maine back in the 70s. The few Remaining members were mostly elderly, but completely committed to their faith and lifestyle. I admired their dedication. They were holding on to the end, believing that there movement would flourish again.
The Quakers are a different sect, otherwise great comment.
Fun fact, the US-American folk song "Simple Gifts" or "Tis a Gift to Be Simple" started as a Shaker hymn, written in 1858!
Also a Fun Fact is that Aaron Copeland used the tune to score choreographer Martha Graham's 1944 ballet Appalachian Spring. This made the song more popular!
There was a group of Shakers in TN. They were known for making high quality wooden furniture, rocking chairs and such. I remember going to visit "Shakertown" as a kid to check out their furniture because it was a big deal to my grandparents.
Jesus supposedly being a 'carpenter' I can understand why they followed in his footsteps..😂
There’s a ‘Shakertown’ in my hometown in Kentucky as well. It’s a preserved Shaker settlement though.
We used to take visitors there when I lived there back in 1974-75. There were still a few surviving Shakers back then, but none there.
@@r0ky_M Yup! Quite wholesome in a way.
@@calebwarren5841 There are a couple. I grew up near a smaller one that was close to Bowling Green. I forget where the bigger one is.
As a grad student in religious studies at Indiana University in the mid 1980s, I worked closely with Steven Stein as he researched the Shakers. I transcribed microfiche copies of hand written vision diaries and catalogued business letters between the Shakers and "worldly" business associates. In 1995 I visited with a friend who lived on the old Shaker settlement in New Lebanon, NY. The community then housed a new spiritual community (associated with the Sufi Order of the West). I spent the night in a room in the old meeting house, ate in the dining hall where, a century or more earlier, Shakers had eaten. I recall the double staircase where men and women would use separate but mirror image sets of stairs to get to the second floor of the building.
What an amazing experience that must have been!
No one cares
@@willfungusman8666 No actually I do, so go shout at the sky instead.
@@willfungusman8666
Well, that was RUDE!
Go Hoosiers!
I have visited the last active Shaker village a few times! The Sabbath Day Lake Shaker Village in rural Maine. They make some of the best teas and spices, amongst other things. It's worth a visit-there is a museum guided tours and it just a beautiful place to see.
But there’s only two people there.
@@ferretyluv there are 2 Shakers left, yes, but it's a thriving place nonetheless.
Thank you so much for making this! I love your covering of Christianity because it highlights all that we, who grew up in the church, were not taught. Not only of the history of the religion but also the diversity of thought found within.
All your videos are so important in the ways you explain the religions of the world in such an approachable way. You remind us that at root we share commonalities with all people of the world! Keep sharing!
this isn't Christianity so why would it be taught in church?
@MarkelMathurin You could argue that it's not proper Protestanism, but it's definitely a "Christian" sect. Early and High Medieval Christianity had far more crazier sects than this.
I’m a fine furniture builder (and general woodworker) from New England. When I was in college getting a degree in sculpture we studied a loooooot of examples of shaker furniture as gold standards of simple but elegant and effective furniture design and woodworking practice. They have an incredibly influential legacy because they were a large influence on modern design movements like Danish modern, MCM, Bauhaus, etc.
Pick a random piece of furniture in your living space from the last 80 years and odds are you can trace at least some of the roots of its design and construction back to the shakers. I cannot overstate how much we should be thankful to them for indirectly influencing the form and construction of spaces we inhabit every day.
After the war we had some first very bitter years in Germany. All big cities were destroyed, fuel was scarce, food as well and we had the coldest winters of the century.
The shakers started to send food packages for the starving people in Germany, called "care packages". For us German it seemed as if angels opened the heaven, we knew how guilty we were, and that we didn't deserved any help.
I see no one would reply to your comment with a ten foot pole. Personally, it evokes skepticism because of extremeness of perspective. I make it a point to read everything I can on the subject and this is unique, especially on a well done channel with Jewish undertones. Additionally, I wonder about the care packages from the 70s (and 1968 in your name) when, during advertisement, would have that cupped hand symbol. In the end, I'm happy to see such a positive statement and view.
I must say that the Journal from a U boat commander had a letter from his loved one which was more affecting that King's letter from Birmingham jail.
I visited a Shaker commune in Kentucky back in the early 2000’s. I had no idea their beliefs were this divergent. They didn’t really reveal that. Interesting
Honestly I can’t believe any shakers nowadays really believe that stuff, they’re definitely selling something
I’m always interested in doomsday/imminent second coming type Christian theology. It’s everywhere. People have been saying we’re in the “end times” for as long as I’ve been alive. Yet things keep going and people still say it.
It's been considered 'right around the corner' ever since christianity became a thing. Kinda baked in.
I mean, according to at least one of the gospels Jesus promised his disciples they'd see it happen, and soon.
waiting for godot
The end times were 2,000 years ago, with Nero as the Antichrist, then we entered the new age (dark ages) where Jesus' followers took over the world, as he predicted, and now the millennial kingdom is over, Christ has returned to finally judge the world, he had his armageddon 80 years ago, and now he is about to hand over the kingdom to God, which will happen in the next 100 years approximately.
At least that's a new age inspired preterist take on the Christian escatology.
There are as many possible interpretations as there are people.
@@AnotherCraigOne way to look at it is that Jesus did return during their lifetimes, and it is even recorded in the new testament canon, where Jesus must go in order to send the holy spirit, and it is said that Jesus became a life-giving spirit, so Jesus returned as the holy spirit at pentecost, so the holy Roman empire was Christ's kingdom on Earth.
@@Michael-Archonaeus How could Rome be god's empire on Earth if most of the emperors were terrible people and none of them became christian until the year 250?
I live in the area where the shakers settled down. My high school was even named after them. I still never learned nothing about them until now thank you for always teaching something new
In some aspects, the Shaking Quakers sound like a Sufi dervish adapted for Protestant Christianity.
Yes devine possesion similar practice
@aasifazimabadi786 Sufism and Protestantism are both big umbrellas.
Every Dervish isn't involved in what you're alluding to, and many would argue that the practice you're alluding to is heretical.
@@realtalk6195 You are right; there are orthodox Sufis, even if the Wahhabis (the ones who call themselves “Salafis”) deny it. Even Wahhabis are not a monolith.
Fun fact: I have both Sufis and Wahhabis in my family.
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2:26 Religious persecution at home meant they weren't allowed to persecute anyone at home based on their own religion.
I'm from the Shaker heartland, right by Lebanon and I grew up going to hancock shaker village, super interesting to get this in depth history
“Simple Gifts” was one of the dance songs.
Aaron Copland used the melody. His lyrics are:
“'Tis the gift to be simple
'Tis the gift to be free
'Tis the gift to come down
Where we ought to be
And when we find ourselves
In the place just right
'Twill be in the valley
Of love and delight”
More traditional Christian verses were composed as “The Lord of the Dance.”
“I danced in the morning when the world was begun,
And I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun,
And I came down from heaven and I danced on the earth,
At Bethlehem I had my birth.
“(Refrain)
Dance, then, wherever you may be;
I am the Lord of the Dance, said he.
And I’ll lead you all wherever you may be,
And I’ll lead you all in the dance, said he.”
I made the same comment! If I am not mistaken the River Dance people (Irish dancers) use the same melody.
Donovan does a good version of Lord of the Dance
I’m from Maine and I have been to the last active Shaker village. I remember being surprised at the quality of the homemade furniture. Of course I kept my surprise to a respectful degree, as the village was still an active religious site
And yet open to tourism.
I’ve been hoping you’d cover the Shakers for a while. It’s a fascinating movement
I loved visiting Shakertown in Kentucky as a kid. It felt so foreign to me, but comforting at the same time. I'd love to go back as an adult now that I can understand more about the movement.
What??? This was an amazing video. This is why I freaking love your channel. I have NEVER even heard of this. I would LOVE to visit these museums if I ever get the chance... What a wild micro journey into the history of this largely unknown religious sect... I truly appreciate this, I had a really bad day lol... You are an absolute gift to the world... Thank you so much...
nicki minaj talked about this once
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I think you mean "twerkers" not "shakers"
@@sumuraikuithuhotu3819 “But he was gettin' money with the movers and the shakers
He was mixed with a couple things, ball like a couple rings
Bricks in the condo and grams to Sing Sing” - highschool by nicki minaj
@@sumuraikuithuhotu3819 😆😂🤣🤪
Absolute gold
13:50 That's exactly what happened to Christianity, generally. The first Christians held to various theologies, their belief in Jesus as the "Christ" ("Anointed One"), "Messiah," etc, sent by God, being the common denominator. After Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, one faction, which promoted the "orthodox," "conventional" Christianity, we know today, suppressed competing views, and discarded many Scriptures, at the Council of Nicaea, which threatened their control of the hearts & minds of the followers of Jesus.
I had the pleasure of meeting Brother Arnold in the winter of 2020. I had acquired a Walking (Great) Wheel which had documentation and attributed to a shaker, Allen Bangs, of the Sabbath DAY Lake Community. I no longer had the space for the wheel, and reached out to see if I could donate the wheel. My wife and I got to return the wheel to where it was made over 200 years ago, and got to visit the shaker village.
One of our neighbors and a close family friend, James Cogar of Midway, Kentucky, was responsible for the restoration of Shakertown at Pleasant Hill Kentucky back in the 1960’s. He also was in large part responsible for the restoration of Colonial Williamsburg in Virginia.
You should make a video on the “Mitas,” the only religion to begin in Puerto Rico. Adherents believed that the holy spirit reincarnated as a woman in the town of Arecibo. Very interesting and understudied.
Mother Ann looking like Yaqub from the Brotherhood of Islam lore.
Omg, I’m crying 😂😂
Second coming of Big Head
That’s it! I’m creating white people.
Mashallah
Muslim lessons
I went to the Maine Shaker village some years ago; it was an excellent experience and I'd encourage anyone to go
Actually the well known tune "Simple Gifts" sometimes called "Lord of the Dance" memorialized in Aaron Copland's ballet "Appalachian Spring" was originally a Shaker hymn and (It's probably also in the latter part of the video) Shaker furniture design -known for its sturdiness and functionality.
5:04 whirling with rapidity to dance along with the shaking uncontrollably and fainting spells reminds me of myself when I get too happy and excited about something, but for me the cause is just several very common but not particularly harmful specific medical diagnosis causes and that spinning in circles when I dance just feels so incredibly physically good and lets out the energy of the happiness I’m feeling in a tangible way that doesn’t usually bother any of the other people I might be near at the time, dancing and spinning is like everything that is my skin and outer body is compressed into the spinning to the central line from where I turn from floor to ceiling and makes the whole world look like streaks of light, I also really like mary go rounds and swings for the same compressive force centrifugal motion feeling.
I live in Massachusetts not far from the Hancock Shaker Village, it is a beautiful historical museum. Thanks for making this video and providing a greater amount of insight into this sect.
I’ve heard of the Movers but Shakers is news to me. Quaking in my boots at the thought of progress😭
You just hab to don't you
@@miguelatkinson oh if I don’t have lame comments I’m nothing😭😭😂
Watching from Pittsfield, Massachusetts, just a few minutes away from Hancock Shaker Village!
At some point, the Shakers also used adoption as a way to get more members. The community would adopt orphans. Eventually laws were passed to prevent this from happening.
Geez, I should hope so! Orphanages don't serve for church recruitment!
@@LimeyLassen The problem at the time being there often weren't orphanages, or at least not enough of them. It was be adopted by a weird religious movement or beg on the street, take it or leave it. Once more secular systems for handling orphans became available it really did a number on the weird movements.
I imagine their heads shaking so much until they blur, like the scene in Jacob's Ladder.
And they pass out from exhaustion.
I think we should bring this back as a medical treatment, if someone's ADHD is getting too wild, just send them for a night with the shakers!😂
I attended an indigenous event with oyster bay first nation on Vancouver island canada. Their mission contact was shaker and has largely remained a community faith still practiced in some form including an ascetic abstinence from alcohol.
2 Shakers used to come to my church in the mid 70’s, usually sitting right behind me. I was a kid.
I grew up in Latham, NY and went to the Shaker Site all the time. My mom was on their board for a bit. So many stories of ghosts and haunted objects in the archives, rocking chairs moving by themselves in the attic. One of my mom’s history students did an internship there cataloging their artifacts. One night, she was handling a doll and placed it away in storage. She was the only one there that night. The next morning, she pulls up to the site and the doll was sitting on the front steps 😅
I was excited to see that you were covering the Shakers, a group I've admired for many years.
Unfortunately I think you missed the important things with an approach that is overly theoretical.
I think it's more helpful to see the Shakers (and the Quakers) in terms of how they lived. I don't think theology as you understand it played that great a role. They were mystics living communally with an amazing record of creativity and ingenuity.
Anyone interested in the Shakers can consult the many books about their creations.
throughout this video I saw a number of similarities between the Shaker movement and the LDS movement. Both started by charismatic leaders, both had radical attitudes about or toward women (but in different directions in terms of autonomy and in leadership). Rutinization effected them differently with the Mormons being driven out of several sites westward into the wild west.
As a Quaker I'd be interested in your source for our name coming from a practice of actual quaking? As I heard it told it came from Fox telling a judge to "tremble at the word of the lord".
Interesting video
That's also what I thought.
Hi there! A few scholars mentioned this in my research. Stephen Stein mentions it in his history of the Shakers on pages 3-4: “The term had been applied derisively to the followers of George Fox, the Quakers, for the same reason-namely, a quaking caused by "Vapours in their Estatick Fits."
Dr. Ben Dandelion at the University of Birmingham mentions it too in his book “Quakers: A Very Short Introduction” on page 39: “As mentioned at the start of the book, ‘Quaker’ was originally a pejorative term applied by Justice Bennett when Fox was on trial in Derby in 1650, and referred to the way the early Friends shook and trembled during worship.”
@@ReligionForBreakfast that's interesting, I think the account of it coming from Bennet it's the same instance I'm talking about, and came directly from fox's diaries, so I wonder if its been augmented with other info or if its a corruption, thanks for the answer!
Ah. A different Fox. Thought I was seeing some elaborate sarcasm...
@@stevetournay6103 ah, no we haven't much to do with the news outlet but I do think Julia Fox probably does have something worth hearing about jesus
The Shakers invented the circular saw, the first commercial washing machine (for a hotel), sweetened condensed milk, and started the first mail order seeds business.
Did they also invent Quaker Oats? 🤔
@@DarkZerol Those are quakers
@DarkZerol maybe they invented shake and bake pancakes
At 9:30 I see the Shakers invented the Thriller Dance move.
Ily 🫶🏾 Andrew. Keep making these videos. I’m an Ohioan, and these people are my neighbors; and I knew nothing of Mother Ann. I’ll keep the rest of my comments in my brain. God bless the United States of America. It’s July 4th when I watched this 😊
A shaker community in Ohio now known as Shaker Heights. I think not far from Cleveland, Ohio. Interestingly I read when they looked at what was found in the community were empty containers of alcohol. Apparently some shakers were into more than just shaking but also drinking as well.
Thank you for mentioning Shaker Hts.,Ohio! I didn´t know about the alcohol but it was Paul Newman´s home town.
The Shaker Village near Lexington Kentucky is a fascinating place. I knew nothing about the group till I moved to the bluegrass state. It was pretty much abandoned in the 1920's but most of it remained intact. I found the living conditions for men and women, how the building was divided in two, one side being for men and the other women, and they were a mirror image from each other. They did divide work by gender. Still for the 19th century is was an exception for equality.
I spent 3 years living at the Mount Lebanon village as it's been a boarding school since the 1930s. The Central Ministry building is now the main class building. Being a teenager, it's easy to forget you're living in a museum but videos like this help put it into perspective. It's surreal to see all these buildings again, hear the names (which now name the buildings) and hear about the Shaker beliefs and customs again. Some of which were selectively integrated into daily life on campus. To say the slogan "Hands to work, hearts to God" was stated often is putting it lightly.
Funny enough, the use of these old buildings for religious purposes actually survives the Shakers as right next to the school is now The Abode of the Message, a Sufi retreat and study center.
I went to a shaker museum in Kentucky as a kid - Pleasant Hill. What struck me the most was the extrememe separation of the sexes- they even had separate doors and staircses!
The food there is awesome.
Everyone had crazy gender segregation back then; that's not unusual.
@@pseudonymous9153 Except they ARE unusual, because married people did live together in other sects. Shakers did not.
@ReligionForBreakfast they sound very similar to the Koreshan community in Southwest Florida, a celibate commune that lasted until the 1980s tangentially related to the Mormons. I don't know that there's too much information about them since they were pretty low-key and recent, but they did have some small local impact in the area around where they settled and the commune has been turned into a public park.
Interesting. Seems its founder Cyrus Teed was only a distant relative to Joseph Smith, so there's no real Mormon connection. It also does not seem to be a Christian-derived religion per se. Definitely deserves a video though.
Quaker here would you kindly make a video about us as well we often get confused with either the shakers or the Amish
I will! Found myself already planning a Quaker video while making this one.
@@ReligionForBreakfastoh thanks didn’t expect you to reply so fast
Also Quaker. There is an online pastor (non-denominational) who told her flock that the Quakers died out (confused with Shakers). I wrote an email to explain the difference, but she probably ignored me.
@@QuakerLadyI mean Quakers fell off pretty badly
When they talked about a charismatic leader with a "shining countenance" it reminded me of Zen Master Rama.
Love their distinctive furniture and interior design
I think the process of routinization (in many religious movements) can be described as a group of believers turning to each other and saying “ok, so the world didn’t end. Now what?”
Among other challenges. (Running out of money, dwindling membership, getting in legal trouble, ect.) Eventually a cult either has to normalize in order to expand, or tighten their control to keep people in.
Have you considered covering the Rātana Faith? (Te Haahi Rātana or the Morehu?) This year is their 100th anniversary of the World Tour when the charismatic, Prophet Rātana travelled around the world to heal it from the damage caused by ww1 and the influenza as well as to advocate in Britain and before the League of Nations at Geneva for the sovereignty of the Māori people. Kereama Pene one of the current leaders (there is no overall leader at the moment while grieving is being observe for the former leader who passed this year) is travelling the world in his footsteps to mark the anniversary.
It is one of the many Māori Prophetic movements, and the one with the biggest mark on New Zealand today. It has elements you could apply these theories and lens on while also containing many unique aspects or aspects brought from it's Māori as well as Protestant and Catholic foundations. There are scholars such as Ruia and Keith Newman, Hirini Kaa and others who have published or teach about this and the Church itself is thriving and is a source of information. I believe Rātana would fit in well with the other groups covered in your videos while being unique enough to not be covering the same ground.
Sounds interesting. He should look into it.
Great ep! 😊 i grew up in the Quaker world, but did not know much about Shakers.
Man, mother Anne doesn't have a forehead, doesn't have a fivehead, that lady has a sixhead! 😂
Yeah ... I have 5 head.... Female Jesus' head is 8-10... easy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘SKOL!
they call that the godhead, which she embodied, apparently.
A seven head, the number of ultimate completion.
@@eltediosoWe all embody the godhead, because humans are divine❤️🔥
Makes Rihanna's forehead look small
I grew up in Harvard Mass. near its Shaker village. There is a road named after Ann Lee in town
There was a Shaker village by Lexington, KY. It's a tourist site now.
It’s a bit south of Lexington, in Harrodsburg.
@@calebwarren5841 Yeah, but people outside of Fayette County and KY would never find it.
@@m.r.jarrell3725 😆fair enough
I live in Albany and love walking by the Shaker Heritage site and Ann Lee Pond.
Helen Hunt should play her in a movie.....
Is anyone else freaking out the Danny DiVito is shown dancing with the shakers at 2:52?!
Is that a Black Shaker in the back too?
yes @@realtalk6195
5:54 definitely looked like she had the fullness of the God Head
The best godhead for sure!
To be fair, this is generally not considered to be a true and accurate portrait and in many cases is not used in shaker historical accounts due to the fact that it was a drawing made/used by someone for purposes of.the pseudoscience of phrenology which involves the measuring the skull and its bumps measurement to ascertain certain behavioral traits and intellectual capabilities. So it is likely that the forehead here is a vast exaggeration.Many phrenology-related drawings vastly enlarge the skull size of the subject.
I went to the Shaker school in Canterbury as a young kid.
Was this who the Crash Test Dummies were talking about in their song?
Those were so-called "holy rollers" and could refer to a number of different groups in the Holiness Movement or the Charismatic Movement.
@@TurtleMarcus Awsome! thanks for the info :)
“Sister June & Brother Arnold” rebuilding a colourful American religion, would be the perfect premise for an 80s sitcom. Catchy theme song & supporting cast of local residents & prospective new members, maybe with occasional cameo voiced off stage from Ann? Merchandise might be tricky, kids pjs or a plushy toy based off that unflattering engraving might be a tough to break into Xmas market
Americanism is a religion. The statement, "We hold these truths..." is itself a religious confession.
There's definitely a spiritual component to the Constitution and early foundation documents. And like a religion it takes credit for existing ideas like natural law.
America was a freemason creation that now only exists to serve their Israeli masters
What does this have to do with the video?
Cool
Never heard of this group! Thanks for the information!!!
They're quite different to us "regular" Quakers, that's for sure haha
I wonder what the difference was between the Shakers' ecstatic practices and speaking in tongues; there was one comparison mentioned in the video, but what distinguishes one from the other?
I'm in my fifties and have always been interested in ancient and religious history, but to be brutally honest, most religious denominations seemed to have been started by utter crackpots. It helps put modern cults into perspective and it tells me a lot about humanity and human nature... sadly.
Sadly I agree, and often attract and exploit the vulnerable.
@@chendaforest But they generally have good intentions, and they often help people overcome trauma.
@@Michael-Archonaeus Some religious groups do good things, like prison outreach and helping the homeless.
And this one got rolling just three years into the history of the USA. Y'all have been susceptible to this stuff right from the start...
@@Michael-ArchonaeusLower down there are usually people with good intentions. Not at the top. At the top what they want is power. I seriously doubt there is even one exception to this.
Went to Shaker Village in Kentucky/Ohio a lot when I was young. Didn’t get then but would love to go back as an adult
Can you look the historical White Lotus movement fron China?
The forehead on that drawing proves she had the “fullness of the God Head”
I just drove by the Shaker Museum off i90 near us20. They are other type things around here around I88. This is all in New York from Albany to Binghamton.
I have visited the Shaker Village in Kentucky near Harrodsburg. The original buildings are so interesting. I appreciated how women were treated as equals during a time when that was not the norm.
You should make a video about West African Vodun or traditional Yoruba religion
I lived in a shaker village, New Lebanon New York, which is now a bordering school. We learned that they not only saw women as equals also black people and would accept any race. Hands to work and heart to god was a well known idea they expressed. Simple gifts is one of their most well known hymns and even in many Protestant hymn books. A shaker woman invented the circular saw. Dehydrated milk was their invention. The flat broom and the cloths pin. They were the first to sell seeds in small paper envelopes as is still popular today. They built the largest stone barn in North America.
A cult became a different kind of cult and is now a cult remembered for its chairs.
Imagine having a whole group of people think you are a goddess, only to have history mostly forget you save for one picture of you and the picture is...that one.
I’ve heard the magnetic pull of historically religious characters as a kind of “world-unwinding charisma” and that description always stuck with me.
YES! I'm so glad that you're covering the Shakers!
Love the topic and your work in general. When you have page citations of specific books, do you think you could include them in the description too?
Hearing how the Shakers discouraged marriage reminded me of Paul's words to Timothy:
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth" (1 Timothy 4: 1-3, NIV, emphasis mine).
Well, shake it up, baby, now
Twist and shout
-- Beatles
Remember at a press conference they all went into Elvis dance (shaker )?
There is a model Shaker colonial village (kind of like at Williamsburg, Virginia) named "Old Economy" near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Local schools take field trips there a lot. I've probably been there a half-dozen times.
I just came to the realization that Shaker Heights, Ohio (near my hometown) was named after the Shakers religious group. My hometown was founded by the Quakers, and our school mascot was a giant Quaker dude's head.
There are still streets and roads named after Shakers where i live and Shaker furniture sellers.
Nice to see a video about the Shakers. I was surprised that it lasted as long as it did! I thought it died out back in the mid-19th Century. All in all, a very interesting group!
I am, and come from a long line of shaking quakers, descent from one of the original, Ruthmore lineage.
There’s a few….. misconceptions and a couple myths here.
Right off the bat, we don’t shake or quake in ecstasy during worship.
The Jericho congregations perform a relatively still (all standing in one place) recitation of the Remembrance and Testification of the Fulfilled. It is a unique worship that recites both the independent, third party, and the church testimonies of the Mothers truth, as well as a sort of proprietary Nicene Creed that utilizes distinct half sung/half yelled voices, together in a 2-4 part harmony, coupled with rising and falling voices that accent physical movements (stomp, clap, uplifted hands, etc)
Its result is the shakikg of the earth, or shaking of the building, often to the point; that like the name Jericho Implies, it must be toned down or our faithful testimony brings down the house lol
Not two… lol
Two hundred.
I think if a female continued the Shaker religion. It would have been around much longer.
The female gender promotes, compassion, unity, peace, creativity and love to one another. 🙏🏼
Something that is needed In today’s world.
A Shaker Hymn
'Tis a gift to be simple, 'Tis a gift to be free.
'Tis a gift to come down where we ought to be.
And when we find ourselves in the place just right
'Twill be in the valley of love and delight.
When true simplicity is gained,
to bow and to bend we will not be ashamed,
to turn, turn will be our delight,
Til by turning, turning we come out right
That picture of her was drawn 90 years after her death so I hope for her sake that she didn't look like that in real life