Hi! Well read! Thank you for this service. I am halfway through reading 'Beelzebub's Tales' and your reading is helping to remember and connect the whole. Which publication are you using?
@@dwhayes6099 That's the one I'm reading too. It's a slow, although careful, read. I know the next round should be 'as if reading to someone else'...I wonder if having it read to you by someone else counts? ;) Can I ask what motivated you to read it aloud and publish your narration? It's not like it's a number 1 best seller even though it is pretty fascinating. :)
@@carolineormrod4698 Yes, I agree great fame is unlikely...! I've been reading the Tales for years (they are bottomless), and my motivation for recording and publishing on YT is to give the option to hear them read, as you say, 'slowly and carefully'. No disrespect to other available recordings - I've heard them read in many ways, sometimes with great gusto, and most readings can perhaps give something if I can listen.
@@dwhayes6099 well, I certainly appreciate your presentation. You read very well, especially considering some of the complex language Gurdjieff employed, and listening is helping me process differently. Thank you again. I wanted you to know that your work is heard and recognised. :)
Can anyone explain what he means to convey in the last 10min of this chapter.. What did the story about the dog catching guy had to do with the next mini story about cursing people to balance out people who cursed him for waking them up..?
There are layers upon layers of meaning. So this is just a partial explanation. Mr. Gurdjieff often talked about how we need to grow a soul if we do not want to die like a dog. And even if we do, Great Nature will still profit from our corpses, reflected here by their corpses being used to make fat and soap and most tellingly "fertilizer" - a word Mr. Gurdjieff has used to describe slumbering humanity. So, there was a male dog totally consumed by the opposite sex (I wonder who this is a metaphor about - hint, look in the mirror) about to be trapped when it was suddenly alerted (briefly awoken) by the ringing of a church bell (the church bell being a higher order reminding factor) and momentarily becomes more conscious, leading it to escape. As to Karapet of Tiblis, the main metaphor here is that Mr. Gurdjieff is Karapet. This explains that those who have dedicated their lives to helping others awaken will inevitably experience hatred and curses. Mr. Gurdjieff did not fart light (as many spiritual masters pretend to do) and made it his mission to step on people's corns (bunions in the feet - or their peculiarities which usually revolve around sex and money) within the first 15 minutes of meeting them. He knew he was going to anger people by trying to wake them up, and so he would get their first. Now there are also all sorts of other things buried in these words. Karapet also demonstrates how to take an active (as opposed to a passive or reconciling role) position. Active is pushing out, passive is pulling inwards, and if you take the active role, the response will be passive. So by taking a specific role and occupying that position congruently, others are forced into a passive response. Another aspect, is that our atmosphere can extend well beyond our physical body. Our atmosphere is made from our thoughts, feelings and sensations. And according to Mr. Gurdjieff, if you think of your mother, a part of your atmosphere will go to them. So he was being made to feel ill by the negative thoughts that were directed at him and so he gives us a technique for dealing with such atmospheric hostility. Now, I could go on and on. Sometimes a single paragraph contains and world of information.
The first time I read Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandmother I thought Mr. Gurdjieff was playing a joke on us. The second time I read it I couldn't believe how foolish I had been. Mr. Gurdjieff said he was going to write 24 books and then figured out how to put them all in a single book. Every time I read it I extract more and more. The only other comparable book I have read is the Bible. And in fact, Tales taught me how to properly read the Bible, and considering I have a degree in Religious Studies from the University of Ottawa, where I majored in Biblical studies 15 years before I read Tales, this is quite a claim. But then it is quite a book.
@@bpdtorontoborderlineperson7355Georges Ivanovitch Gurdjieff definitely had some spiritual knowledge. Unfortunately he failed on the lowest ‘chakra’, lowest organ, the sexual organ. He could not put rising Kundalini under his conscious control. Gurdjieff had seven known illegitimate children, and possibly over twenty all together. He cheated on his wife; many anecdotes of his behavior display the unsavory and impure character of a man who was a cynical manipulator of his followers. It is alleged that his protégé was Karl Haushofer, who was under the patronage of Deputy Reich Führer Rudolf Hess, as one of the real "seekers after truth" as described by Gurdjieff. (1,000 dead Tibetans in Berlin, members of Agharti -The Red Brotherhood, and reports of ‘Ashoka 9’ involvement in first couple of years in WWII attest to this.) General Karl Haushofer, admirer of George Gurdjieff, Mason and a Sufi, military attaché in Japan, knew Sanskrit, was in Tibet, formed ‘Vril Society’ in 1918, member of Thule, worked with life-force (vril (German), prana (Hindu), mana (Polynesian), Chi (Chinese), ki (Japanese), num (Kalahari Kung), ruach (Hebrew), lung ( Tibet), neyatoneyah (American native tribe), barraka ( Arab), life-force ( English), Holy Spirit (Christian). According to Rom Landau, a journalist in the 1930s, as reported to him by Achmed Abdullah: Gurdjieff was a Russian secret agent in Tibet who went by the name of "Hambro Akuan Dorzhieff" (i.e. Agvan Dorjiev), chief tutor to the Dalai Lama. However, reports have it that Dorzhieff went to live in the Buddhist temple erected in St. Petersburg and after the revolution, he was imprisoned by Stalin. James Webb conjectures that Gurdjieff may have been Dorzhieff's assistant Ushe Narzunoff (i.e. Ovshe Norzunov) but this was never proven. Gurdjieff had a nasty reputation for seducing his female students, both single and married. In the early 1930s Gurdjieff publicly ridiculed one of his pupils, Alfred Richard Orage. In response, his wife Jessie Dwight wrote the following poem about Gurdjieff: He calls himself, deluded man, The Tiger of The Turkestan. And greater he than God or Devil Eschewing good and preaching evil. His followers whom he does glut on Are for him naught but wool and mutton, And still they come and sit agape With Tiger's rage and Tiger's rape. Why not, they say, The man's a god; We have it on the sacred word. His book will set the world on fire. He says so-can God be a liar? But what is woman, says Gurdjieff, Just nothing but man's handkerchief. I need a new one every day, Let others for the washing pay. Gurdjieff did not rape all these women, they submitted willingly. After all what woman would not have sex with an “enlightened” guru, God on earth.
@@bpdtorontoborderlineperson7355 I would like to hear your interpretation of "Self Remembering" because as "G" states in miraculous, nothing will be developed without correct practice of "Self Remembering"
Omg im home
Same here!
Hi! Well read! Thank you for this service. I am halfway through reading 'Beelzebub's Tales' and your reading is helping to remember and connect the whole. Which publication are you using?
Hi Caroline. Thank you for your kind comment. I am reading from the classic edition first published in 1950 and recently reprinted by Penguin Compass.
@@dwhayes6099 That's the one I'm reading too. It's a slow, although careful, read. I know the next round should be 'as if reading to someone else'...I wonder if having it read to you by someone else counts? ;) Can I ask what motivated you to read it aloud and publish your narration? It's not like it's a number 1 best seller even though it is pretty fascinating. :)
@@carolineormrod4698 Yes, I agree great fame is unlikely...! I've been reading the Tales for years (they are bottomless), and my motivation for recording and publishing on YT is to give the option to hear them read, as you say, 'slowly and carefully'. No disrespect to other available recordings - I've heard them read in many ways, sometimes with great gusto, and most readings can perhaps give something if I can listen.
@@dwhayes6099 well, I certainly appreciate your presentation. You read very well, especially considering some of the complex language Gurdjieff employed, and listening is helping me process differently. Thank you again. I wanted you to know that your work is heard and recognised. :)
Amazing work buddy.. Way better than other recordings that I've found.. Do you have ig by any chance?
Can anyone explain what he means to convey in the last 10min of this chapter.. What did the story about the dog catching guy had to do with the next mini story about cursing people to balance out people who cursed him for waking them up..?
Its a pattern of thought,
If you have a similar pattern of thought you will understand, if you do not, you never will
There are layers upon layers of meaning. So this is just a partial explanation.
Mr. Gurdjieff often talked about how we need to grow a soul if we do not want to die like a dog. And even if we do, Great Nature will still profit from our corpses, reflected here by their corpses being used to make fat and soap and most tellingly "fertilizer" - a word Mr. Gurdjieff has used to describe slumbering humanity.
So, there was a male dog totally consumed by the opposite sex (I wonder who this is a metaphor about - hint, look in the mirror) about to be trapped when it was suddenly alerted (briefly awoken) by the ringing of a church bell (the church bell being a higher order reminding factor) and momentarily becomes more conscious, leading it to escape.
As to Karapet of Tiblis, the main metaphor here is that Mr. Gurdjieff is Karapet. This explains that those who have dedicated their lives to helping others awaken will inevitably experience hatred and curses. Mr. Gurdjieff did not fart light (as many spiritual masters pretend to do) and made it his mission to step on people's corns (bunions in the feet - or their peculiarities which usually revolve around sex and money) within the first 15 minutes of meeting them. He knew he was going to anger people by trying to wake them up, and so he would get their first.
Now there are also all sorts of other things buried in these words. Karapet also demonstrates how to take an active (as opposed to a passive or reconciling role) position. Active is pushing out, passive is pulling inwards, and if you take the active role, the response will be passive. So by taking a specific role and occupying that position congruently, others are forced into a passive response.
Another aspect, is that our atmosphere can extend well beyond our physical body. Our atmosphere is made from our thoughts, feelings and sensations. And according to Mr. Gurdjieff, if you think of your mother, a part of your atmosphere will go to them. So he was being made to feel ill by the negative thoughts that were directed at him and so he gives us a technique for dealing with such atmospheric hostility.
Now, I could go on and on. Sometimes a single paragraph contains and world of information.
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larls
Bad attempt at allegory...
How so?
The first time I read Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandmother I thought Mr. Gurdjieff was playing a joke on us. The second time I read it I couldn't believe how foolish I had been. Mr. Gurdjieff said he was going to write 24 books and then figured out how to put them all in a single book. Every time I read it I extract more and more. The only other comparable book I have read is the Bible. And in fact, Tales taught me how to properly read the Bible, and considering I have a degree in Religious Studies from the University of Ottawa, where I majored in Biblical studies 15 years before I read Tales, this is quite a claim. But then it is quite a book.
@@bpdtorontoborderlineperson7355Georges Ivanovitch Gurdjieff definitely had some spiritual knowledge. Unfortunately he failed on the lowest ‘chakra’, lowest organ, the sexual organ. He could not put rising Kundalini under his conscious control. Gurdjieff had seven known illegitimate children, and possibly over twenty all together. He cheated on his wife; many anecdotes of his behavior display the unsavory and impure character of a man who was a cynical manipulator of his followers. It is alleged that his protégé was Karl Haushofer, who was under the patronage of Deputy Reich Führer Rudolf Hess, as one of the real "seekers after truth" as described by Gurdjieff. (1,000 dead Tibetans in Berlin, members of Agharti -The Red Brotherhood, and reports of ‘Ashoka 9’ involvement in first couple of years in WWII attest to this.) General Karl Haushofer, admirer of George Gurdjieff, Mason and a Sufi, military attaché in Japan, knew Sanskrit, was in Tibet, formed ‘Vril Society’ in 1918, member of Thule, worked with life-force (vril (German), prana (Hindu), mana (Polynesian), Chi (Chinese), ki (Japanese), num (Kalahari Kung), ruach (Hebrew), lung ( Tibet), neyatoneyah (American native tribe), barraka ( Arab), life-force ( English), Holy Spirit (Christian).
According to Rom Landau, a journalist in the 1930s, as reported to him by Achmed Abdullah: Gurdjieff was a Russian secret agent in Tibet who went by the name of "Hambro Akuan Dorzhieff" (i.e. Agvan Dorjiev), chief tutor to the Dalai Lama. However, reports have it that Dorzhieff went to live in the Buddhist temple erected in St. Petersburg and after the revolution, he was imprisoned by Stalin. James Webb conjectures that Gurdjieff may have been Dorzhieff's assistant Ushe Narzunoff (i.e. Ovshe Norzunov) but this was never proven.
Gurdjieff had a nasty reputation for seducing his female students, both single and married.
In the early 1930s Gurdjieff publicly ridiculed one of his pupils, Alfred Richard Orage. In response, his wife Jessie Dwight wrote the following poem about Gurdjieff:
He calls himself, deluded man,
The Tiger of The Turkestan.
And greater he than God or Devil
Eschewing good and preaching evil.
His followers whom he does glut on
Are for him naught but wool and mutton,
And still they come and sit agape
With Tiger's rage and Tiger's rape.
Why not, they say, The man's a god;
We have it on the sacred word.
His book will set the world on fire.
He says so-can God be a liar?
But what is woman, says Gurdjieff,
Just nothing but man's handkerchief.
I need a new one every day,
Let others for the washing pay.
Gurdjieff did not rape all these women, they submitted willingly. After all what woman would not have sex with an “enlightened” guru, God on earth.
What the
@@bpdtorontoborderlineperson7355 I would like to hear your interpretation of "Self Remembering" because as "G" states in miraculous, nothing will be developed without correct practice of "Self Remembering"
Total rubbish.
For the Sheep , yes it is, Sheep shag, that's it, that's the narrative for Sheep , shagging