He is a good father 4:10 exactly thank you for basically describing how goku actually is and how I feel about him cuz I'm tired of all these goku memes making him out to be a bad dad But not father of the year
@kingpizza1854 Good by Saiyan standards. Bardock was considered a good dad for actually caring if his kid lived or died. He didn't seem to give a crap about Radditz tho 😂
@@kingpizza1854 He died for his kid multiple times, saved his life multiple times, and stayed dead so that villains wouldn't come to earth to kill him....to protect his loved ones. Why's he bad? 🤔 This gotta be rage bait.
@@zaerogartorias9890 lets name all the bad then he put the universe at risk bcz he wanted to fight not knowing his child enough to figure out he hates fighting which is crazy that an green alien knows your child better than u but sure uh what else oh how about watching him getting his aaahhsss whooped then standing there smiling 😊 he protects his loves one i agree he's not a good father he's decent at best if i had to pick him over lets say idk omni man or batman i would pick goku doesn't mean he a good father he just alright
Heres the thing: Look at when Goku was around Gohan. Goku saw Gohan attack Raditz as a toddler. Then died. Then he came back and saw Gohan trying to fight against Nappa 1v1, and then helping with Vegeta. Then he saw Gohan volunteer to blast into space for an adventure and saw Gohan trying to help him fight Frieza and he had to yell at Gohan to run away. Then he didnt see him for a year. Then he came back and saw Gohan standing there ready to fight Mecha Frieza. Then he saw Gohan wanting to train to fight constantly to prepare for the androids while Goku tells him to relax. Then Gohan volunteered to enter the Time Chamber with Goku for a whole year to train to fight against Cell. Then the Senzu Bean moment happened. Given what Goku actually saw of Gohan why would he think that Gohan didnt want to fight like himself? All he ever sees Gohan doing is jumping into fights. But more importantly, Goku was 100% right about Gohan, and Piccolo was wrong. Gohan doesnt love fighting its true, but he doesnt hate it either. He is afraid, he thinks that he can only be strong during his rage moments. Goku saw that wasnt true, and engineered the fight with Cell to show it to Gohan. First he went up against Cell himself and fought to prove he couldnt win. Then he let Gohan get the win. And most importantly he gave Cell a Senzu Bean so that Gohan wouldnt think "I only won because dad weakened him first", he would *know* that he beat Cell 100% with his own power. And it worked. After that Gohan isnt afraid to fight anymore and in fact actively seeks fights out. He becomes a Super Hero of his own will. He jumps in to help with Buu of his own will. And whether you go down the Super or GT route, he continues volunteering himself for dangerous missions of his own free will. Gohan gained the confidence Goku wanted to give him. Father of the year.
Gohan was always willing to fight post Saiyan Saga, and after he froze up when it came to Nappa. The whole "Gohan doesn't like to fight" nonsense was an ass pull by Toriyama for the sake of, when he was main character, to have low stakes slice of life and superhero hijinks, because he was sick of what DB had become. It failed, of course, because the people who stuck with DB wanted that. Toriyama had his revenge, though, when it came to Gotenks and the horrible fight against Super Buu. it has since become actual character assassination for Gohan, because he constantly has to relearn the lesson of not taking his power for granted and using it for the sake of his friends and family. Time and again he slacks and lets others do the fighting for him, and when push comes to shove, he cannot get the job done. Even when he gains massive amounts of new power, he always fails, swears to do better AND THEN HE DOESN'T. Except, of course, for Super Hero... which was supposed to be a Piccolo movie, until they had Gohan steal the win because 'member the Cell Games?
i believe goku is also a good grandfather because GT showed moments of him caring about pan's safety and i do believe if goku was invalid with the super hero arc i do believe goku would not fight cell max but stay by pan just to let gohan have his big moment
Maybe we're looking at him all wrong. A good dad wants his kid to be safe, yes, but he also wants his kid to face challenges and overcome them, even those that exist within themselves. Piccolo may have been more than happy to keep Gohan coddled and safe, but how would that have helped Gohan in the long run? He's not a baby anymore.
Yall tripping, saying that goku is a good father is just delusional😂 he tries but he ain't a good father, this is the same dude that will dump his family for years if needed just for more training😂 he choose to stay dead full knowing he had a whole new child "goten" and in dbs manga he forgot he had a granddaughter lol
@@fortunatosamuel2520 Some of us dont care what Super has to say since its a ball of garbage continuity. Goku willingly stayed away from his family only twice, once after defeating Frieza because he had an opportunity to learn a once in a lifetime technique (which he earned for the years of fighting for his family he had just finished and was right to learn because many future scenarios would have been lost without IT), and the second time when he chose to stay dead to avoid any more of his old enemies coming back for revenge (completely justified considering every threat to his family on Earth had been explicitly looking for him or a byproduct of it. Raditz came for him, Vegeta came because Raditz was there, Frieza came for him, and all five of the androids plus Cell came for him.)
@@baval5 super is a pile of garbage, agreed lol, but no let's be realistic, for anime standards sure he a good dad but for real life standards there's no reason on earth that's good enough for you to leave your family not once but twice😂 come on be honest, Gohan was flipping 4 and a half when he decided to stay dead and leave him in the hands of an sus dude (piccolo at the time was not a clear allay) and the second time he knocked up his wife and left for 5 years plus, resulting in a whole child that never met his dad, like tell me how's that is being a good dad? Not to mention that when they fought cell he gave a senzu-been to the opp just before forcing Gohan to fight him alone, that's crazy😂
@@fortunatosamuel2520 I think "as long as Im around people will keep showing up to blow up the entire planet" is a pretty good reason. If terrorists kept trying to blow up my house to kill my dad I wouldnt be too mad if he decided he needed to move somewhere else. Giving Cell a senzu bean was for Gohans benefit. Gohan struggled with confidence and if he beat Cell after Goku had fought him Gohan would have just assumed he only won because Goku weakened him first. Letting Gohan beat Cell from full power after seeing that his dad couldnt do it gave Gohan confidence, which he kept for the rest of the series.
By Saiyan standards (or at least full blooded Saiyans), Goku is absolutely the best father, not counting the Dragonball Minus/DBS version of Bardock, (which turned Bardock into Jor-El) and the DBS version of Vegeta (who is basically meant to be Vegeta allowing his character development to stick for once).
Even count Bardock, what he do Goku do it if he would. In the case of Vegeta, he are in a very diferent stage of fatherhood, Goku has an adult and an pre-teenager , the adult is in he's own way, and Goten has Chi-Chi . Vegeta has a pre-teenager and a new-born of course he is gona be more worried about they and even more because Bulma has her company in contrast whit Chi-Chi , which is a full time mother.
People just don't realize that his personality type just doesnt prioritize/understand the emotional consequences of what he does. He thinks about saving his wife his child and his friends but he doesn't understand how Chichi and Gohan etc would feel emotionally during that time of his disappearances or choices. Gohan and Chichi are safe to live on happily in his head but they do miss Goku very much . Goku's priorities aren't the emotional reasonings which is why people get the idea that he's not a good father besides him "not being around".
Most of the people that think goku is a bad dad either a. Treat tfs goku as the biblical portrayal of who he is b. Havent watched the series in 20+ years or something C. Are just joking.
I always see piccolo as more of the uncle. Up to and including the part where you like your uncle more when you're younger, but appreciate your father when you're older. As I see more videos like this in the fandom, i think we are growing into our... appreciationing phase as a fandom.
The two major points against Goku when it comes to his parenting- 1.Not coming back when he had the chance. Instead he decided to stay on Yardrat. I agree that in the long run it was the right decision. 2.Giving Cell a Senzu because he didn't understand his son's personality. I wish Goku knew the fusion dance at this point, it would've been cool to see Gogeta destroys Perfect Cell if the dumb prince agreed to fuse in theory. Or a Gohan+Future Trunks theoretical fusion. Now you didn't talk about Piccoro here, but people forget it started from kidnapping. If you look at the show in Japanese, Gohan refer to Piccoro as "uncle." It is an uncle figure for him not a father figure there is a difference.
Goku does have a habit of bailing on his family. Living with Uub and training him up may have been necessary but I think I remember it being said he didn't visit much if at all during those years despite having literally instant transmission. Unless I'm misremembering that's a lot worse than Yardrat. The Cell situation is definitely his all-time low. He outright says in the manga that he thought he could probably take out Majin Buu (with SSJ3) but "wanted to give the kids something to do" so that they could overcome the danger and grow. Goku openly admitted he wasn't strong enough to defeat Cell but healed him (and gave him a zenkai boost) before telling Gohan to take the weight of the world on his shoulders and avenge everyone. That was entirely unnecessary and regardless of the faith he had in Gohan he could have just stepped back without healing Cell to the horror of everyone else as if Goku had even pushed Cell very far to begin with.
@@KittyCalibur I am not sure he didn't came to sleep at home after a long day of training. I will check the 1st episode of GT again in Japanese to see what they say. I am not so sure Cell got a Zenkai from his fight with Goku. Even if he didn't, it was still too much to put on Gohan's shoulders I agree. As for the Boo arc- Collection of mistakes not just his but true.
I've always said that Goku IS a decent father figure for his kids. He wants them to step up and use their power to protect everyone and that desire isn't an inherently bad thing. It's a traditional fatherly role to have. Now, when he tossed Cell a sensu bean and made Gohan put his life on the life even longer after Gohan was on the verge of reaching Super Saiyan 2..... That was the biggest low for Goku and probably why a lot of people say he's a bad dad. Cell already killed many of their friends and countless innocent people but he fully restored him with a zenkai boost too and unlike the Buu saga with Gotenks Goku did NOT have the power to personally stop Cell the same way he thought he probably could have defeated fat buu in the manga. If Gohan lost then everything would have been wiped out and he'd have had to live with the guilt of it. No matter how you twist it Goku was a horrible father in that moment. Thankfully that's an exception though.
In a time when disciplining a child is called abuse, where the kids must be protected from losing and feeling sad. Of course Goku seems to be a bad father. But he's a great and even wonderful father, for an age where a father's role was to raise their kids, not to bind the knee at their every whims.
This is such a nice video. I'm sick of all the "Goku is a bad father/husband/friend" BS that's flying around in the internet. In the Dragonball Manga Goku is a great father, husband and friend and all the memes suggesting otherwise are actually quite infuriating as they are presented as facts. With DB Super it really depends on the medium. The manga has still the best depiction of him and considering Toriyama's involvement with it, it's the most "canon" to me. Who saved the multiple planets more often than people can count? It's Goku Who also spent most of his time between the 23rd butokai and his second death with the family? That's also Goku. Seriously, the guy pretty much got tricked into a marriage and he's there for like 90% of the time. Almost no person in real life can do that!. Because when Goku is there with the family, he really is there and not spending his time at work. He's self sufficient and when he provides for the family, he does it WITH them. It's like 9,5 out of 12 years and that includes 1 year of forced death and 4 or so months before he ever had a chance to be brought to earth from yadrat. And then another 4 months were reviving dead people had priority. And actually the second time they used the DBs to create a new home for the entire Namek population. After another 4 months, where the DBs could have been used again, Goku arrived at home already. After his revival Goku spends another 10 years with the family full time. The only time Goku selfishly left the family after that is when he wants to train UUB. And by that point in time both his sons are grown up. Who managed to push his son above even his own limits? It wasn't Piccolo or Vegeta. No just Goku. Who is the first person to offer help to any person (no matter the circumstances) without ever wanting anything in return? Not Bulma or Chichi, the so called "good parents" who both can bee pretty petty at times. Who never prevented his sons from following their own desires? Not Chi Chi, who constantly demands her son needs to study and stop fighting. And while Gohan is not a fighter at his core, there were times where he wanted to fight. (And he still wants to to a certain extent) and Chi Chi tried to prevent that. Goku never told Gohan even once to not become a scholar or to even neglect his studies. He actually encouraged Gohan to follow his dreams. Yes he has a snarky remark about Goten not training enough to beat Fat Boo. But obviously he didn't force him to train either or to not do standard teenager stuff. Unlike Vegeta, who threatens Trunks to cut off his funds if he doesn't fight in the tournament. Who always notices when the times for happy challenges are over and when to get serious? Not Vegeta, it's Goku. Whom did Future Gohan and Future Bulma wish was there to help out in the crisis? Goku. Not Vegeta, not Piccolo, Goku. Because he'd surely find a way. Because he was reliable. Yes Goku is a little troublesome to live with or even sometimes annoying as a friend. That is because he is a free spirit and was brought up in a very different way. And really who isn't difficult sometimes, all of us are. But when it matters, when it really counts. Then Goku is the most reliable person period.
Gohan is the one with the character traits of a hero during the cell saga Goku is a fighter but gohan has the mindset I wish they really did something with saiyaman
This is one thing I dislike about tfs, they marred how good Goku actually was and they themselves subscribe to the vegeta is better which I think is bull till post cell anyways. But thanks for bring the truth to light
I think in the world of dragonball the fictional whacky world of dragonball.. goku is a good father, now in our world... maybe not but we shouldn't apply real world logic to a fictional show
There will always be slightly less intelligent fans who are unable to interpret to story correctly. The same bird brain fans that think goku is a bad dad, are the same bird brain fans that think sasuke is an overreacting emo lol.
To me Goku has always had an understanding hat he is a part of of something much bigger than himself; that he is sort of "above" everything that's on a small scale like individual lives or moments in time. Not in a prideful way, more like he just sees the balances of good and evil in his universe, and unserstands his role in that eternal struggle. Many of your examples support this. On a small human scale, not coming home to his family seems negative. On the universal scale, goku knows his role as THE GUY to keep the universe safe. In every single argument of goku being a bad father or simple minded, if you game out what would happen if he chose to focus only on gohan, the world ends AND Gohan would never have reason to train at all. Goku is big brained, everyone else in the show sees only the short term.
The fact that this video needs to be made shows how much some “fans” don’t know the source material and base their arguments off of memes and parody, smh. People who actually like Dragon Ball would never argue that Goku was a bad father.
Although I do think Goku is a great person and a OK father who cares deeply about his family we have to cut the BS. Goku acts more like a friend to Gohan than a true father. The only time I ever have seen Goku put his foot down with Gohan is when the former had just turned Super Saiyan and was in a mood. Goku is distant; despite being physically present as a parent he was able to heavy spar with his son alone in the void for nearly a year and not notice Gohan's lack of confidence nor internal ferocity. Goku is like the Japanese Salary Man father who is present, who supports the family but somehow still is not there. At least to the level a father should be. Counting on your son to "snap" in order to beat a genocidal manic in a fight is reckless at best. Especially when there historically has never really been any consistency in when Gohan snaps. The fight with Recoome comes to mind here. You would think if there was a time for Gohan to "snap" when backed into a corner it would have been there. As a man it is insane to believe you can protect your family without being present. Do you really think intergalactic threats are just going to leave Earth alone because you died on a back water planet? No, those threats are still out there and now you are not around to protect your family if they get threatened. This Goku's got to be perfect narrative has got to stop, what makes the character great is that he has flaws, blind spots. Trying to rationalize away Goku's weak points just serves to make the character a Gary Stu. Which I do not know about the DB fan base but I do not want at all.
Goku isn't a great family man by any means. He does have fun with Goten and had, at least when Gohan was a child, done the same for him and he has never turned them away or outright rejected how they wanted to live. He expressed his inability to understand but always let them decide at the end of the day when there was peace. Now with that being said Goku doesn't understand family. He sees Roshi and Grampa Gohan as family but it's pretty obvious he gets more emotional over Krillin being hurt or killed than his own sons. The staying dead thing isn't that big of a problem with the dragonballs and baba but the bigger issue is how Goku lets his obsession with finding a successor to defend earth get in the way of his responsibilities. Goku is the worst husband in Dragonball without question. Sink-or-swim fathers exist and Goku is one of them. That's not the worst thing since his sons will have to defend themselves and possibly the world in the future if he isn't around. Rather than him staying dead for a while to train himself up to the limit more than he could have alive I think the bigger issue is how Goku didn't spend much, if any, time with his family during the years he spent training Uub despite being able to fly/instantly move between the village and his home. He openly said that he could have defeated Buu when he first appeared using SSJ3 but chose to let the kids have a chance with their fusion and Gohan's potential first. If he wants them to overcome challenges that's fine but against Cell he didn't have that failsafe to protect them and ultimately he failed to do so with both Gotenks and Gohan when they couldn't destroy Buu alone. Goku has always been a great example of a morally grey character and that needs to be highlighted more often. He cares about the people around him but he acts for himself and his own sense of justice. The only time he's actually acting to save as many lives as he can is by throwing someone else to the wolves and telling them to overcome it so they can succeed him as the defender of the planet and that only ever ends up with many more deaths and greater danger or with him abandoning everyone else to train with Uub. But well, at least the world didn't blow up when Uub was getting trained I guess?
I've always felt that people saying Goku was a bad father & Piccolo being Gohan's true father were just joking & making fun of the way things played out in Dragon Ball. I didn't think anyone thought Goku was really a bad father, husband, or person for real. But here you are trying to actually defend Goku as if people really had a serious complaint about him.
Thank you for putting some respect on Goku's name 🙏🏿. Everything he has done has been a calculated sacrifice for his family and everyone around him. He doesn't need help most of the time, but let him wanna go train so he can CONTINUE TO PROTECT THOSE THAT DO, and he's a deadbeat. Y'all be killin' me 🤣😂.
I do think that Goku did the best he could with everything going on in the world in the time skips,but anyways God bless everyone who comes across this comment 🪽 ✝️ 🔥 🙌🏻
Personally, I think the only valid argument of Goku making a bad call is the seven years of not talking to his family. Like if you’re not gonna visit them for secure and their safety you can at least call them on king Kai. Doesn’t make him bad father, but I don’t think it’s very good call .
I don't know... When Gohan turns SSJ2, he wears Piccolo's gear. Same when he unlocks Beast Mode. Then there's the time in the future where the Androids made him asymmetrical and the time when Buu manhandled him, all while he wore his Father's Gi. _Do you see a correlation here?_ Really makes you think. 🤔 All joking aside, of course Goku is a good dad. Is he reckless? yes. Arrogant? Yes. Overbearing? Yes. Inconsiderate? At times. Stuborn? Oh yes! Negligent? I mean, kind of... But, he is kind and showed his son that kindness, confidence, and determination were keys to being your very best self. Oh, and how to eat lots and lots of food. 🤤 🍖🍚🍗🍚🥩🍚🍲🍚🍙🍚🍛🍚🍜🍚🍣🍚🍤🍚🍡🍚🍚
Gohan Doesn Live In Goku/Chichi's House (Even In The Flashback We See Black Goku Killing Chichi And Goten Right In The Spot After Killing Zamasu[Goku])
Not to throw shade at Piccolo, but the fact that what started out as a joke (and not a particularly funny one, imo) wound up being seen as gospel baffles me. And no, I don't blame TFS, that's the "easy" way out for the uninformed. That "joke" was a thing even before TFS did it. Oh sure, a talking slug who has a vendetta against the dad of the kid he abducted for the sake of using him is such a great dad, right? The same dude who dropped that kid in a shallow body of water that was still deep enough to drown him if he hadn't woken up. The same dude who threw that kid at a plateau, which would have either killed or seriously injured him, had he not instinctively activated his powers. The same guy who told that kid to fend for himself for half a year, with the only consolation being that he was watching him from a very far off distance, then for the remaining half of that year, he gets the breaks beaten off of him by his kidnapper to prepare him for a fight he never asked to be part of, but all of that is forgiven because "OMG! The green man gave his life to save the boy he kidnapped attempted to groom into a vessel for world domination! HE'S THE BEST FATHER IN ANIME!". Again, that rant aside, no shade at Piccolo. It's directed more at the people who misinterpret his dynamic with Gohan in attempt at claiming he's a "better dad" compared to Goku. At best, Piccolo is like an older brother (since he's actually not that much older) or an honorary uncle to Gohan.
Realistically Goku was not a good father, but that’s due to the constant emerging of more powerful enemies and Gokus extreme obsession with battle because of his blood. Piccolo filled in a lot of the gaps while goku was absent and that’s why people call piccolo gohans father which makes sense. The full picture is that gohan needed both father figures to be as well developed as he is now
Yall tripping, saying that goku is a good father is just delusional😂 he tries but he ain't a good father, this is the same dude that will dump his family for years if needed just for more training😂 he choose to stay dead full knowing he had a whole new child "goten" and in dbs manga he forgot he had a granddaughter lol
he wouldn’t just stay dead for no reason. He wanted to stay dead because he felt as if all of the villains that were trying to destroy the earth were only there because they wanted to kill goku.
Goku is a good father but he's not father of the year. You mentioned about Goku realizing the mistake he made which shows he's not the best father as Piccolo understood how Gohan thought better than Goku did. Goku is a caring father but overall Piccolo is just a better father figure than Goku because Piccolo understands Gohan's feelings while Goku thought Gohan was more like him than he really was.
Counterpoint: Look at when Goku was around Gohan. Goku saw Gohan attack Raditz as a toddler. Then died. Then he came back and saw Gohan trying to help him fight Frieza and he had to yell at Gohan to run away. Then he didnt see him for a year. Then he came back and saw Gohan wanting to train to fight constantly while Goku tells him to relax. Then Gohan volunteered to enter the Time Chamber with Goku for a whole year to train to fight against Cell. Then that moment happened. Given what Goku actually saw of Gohan why would he think that Gohan didnt want to fight like himself? All he ever sees Gohan doing is jumping into fights. Piccolo was around Gohan a lot more often during that time because he wasnt dead or lost in space, so of course he knows a bit more about Gohan. But also and finally, Goku was right. After Gohan gained confidence from fighting Cell, Gohan *did* like to fight. He became a Super Hero of his own accord and went to fight Babidi and later Buu all of his own choosing. Gohan did *not* hate fighting like Piccolo thought, he was just afraid of it and thought he wasnt good enough.
On the other hand, when Goku realized he might be dooming Gohan, he immediately asked for a Senzu to regain his strength and save Gohan. He made a mistake and tried to own up to it.
One should also remember some of the RoS&T scenes were added by Toei. Scenes like Gohan taunting his father to be like Piccolo, the nightmare of Cell (whom he never met), etc. Really Gohan’s pivotal scene in the manga is his doubts that he could get to SSJ or stronger, referencing Future Gohan’s failure.despite being SSJ.
Another reason Goku gave cell a senzu bean, Cell has Frieza's and Vegeta's DNA inside him, and they are both sore losers. Because of this, if Cell got pummeled, which he did, he would just blow up the planet. And that's exactly what happened between Cell and SSJ2 Gohan
If goku would have continued to fight cell he would have gotten stronger just like his other fights where he was weaker than his opponent.. jiren or the first time goku fought beerus. Goku may have been able to beat cell. Once he gets backed into a corner...he finds a way.
Goku without even trying knocked his wife thru a wall and tree almost killing her goku could have killed gohan when he punched him i wonder what would have happened if that punch did kill gohan ill make a fan manga about that
Goku: Sacrifice his life to protect his son and family and earth from the villains.
DBZ tourists: What a horrible dad.
If you go up just a few comments. You'll see a comment in this video with a reply of someone delusional saying this
Piccolo is only a few years older than Gohan. Therefore, if anything, Piccolo is an older brother figure to Gohan, not a father figure.
always made more sense with how he behaved too
piccolo in the sayian saga was like 10 years old lol
Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there
The good ones that is
He is a good father 4:10 exactly thank you for basically describing how goku actually is and how I feel about him cuz I'm tired of all these goku memes making him out to be a bad dad
But not father of the year
He's not
@kingpizza1854 Good by Saiyan standards. Bardock was considered a good dad for actually caring if his kid lived or died. He didn't seem to give a crap about Radditz tho 😂
@@kingpizza1854 He died for his kid multiple times, saved his life multiple times, and stayed dead so that villains wouldn't come to earth to kill him....to protect his loved ones.
Why's he bad? 🤔
This gotta be rage bait.
@@BlankestKnighthe likely knew raditz was on another planet, but what you're saying is still right lol
@@zaerogartorias9890 lets name all the bad then he put the universe at risk bcz he wanted to fight not knowing his child enough to figure out he hates fighting which is crazy that an green alien knows your child better than u but sure uh what else oh how about watching him getting his aaahhsss whooped then standing there smiling 😊 he protects his loves one i agree he's not a good father he's decent at best if i had to pick him over lets say idk omni man or batman i would pick goku doesn't mean he a good father he just alright
The whole thing of Goku not being a good dad is from kids watching TFS only
That meme was around before tfs.
I have never agreed with Goku being a bad father, so everything in this video hits hard for me
Heres the thing: Look at when Goku was around Gohan.
Goku saw Gohan attack Raditz as a toddler. Then died.
Then he came back and saw Gohan trying to fight against Nappa 1v1, and then helping with Vegeta.
Then he saw Gohan volunteer to blast into space for an adventure and saw Gohan trying to help him fight Frieza and he had to yell at Gohan to run away. Then he didnt see him for a year.
Then he came back and saw Gohan standing there ready to fight Mecha Frieza.
Then he saw Gohan wanting to train to fight constantly to prepare for the androids while Goku tells him to relax.
Then Gohan volunteered to enter the Time Chamber with Goku for a whole year to train to fight against Cell.
Then the Senzu Bean moment happened.
Given what Goku actually saw of Gohan why would he think that Gohan didnt want to fight like himself? All he ever sees Gohan doing is jumping into fights.
But more importantly, Goku was 100% right about Gohan, and Piccolo was wrong. Gohan doesnt love fighting its true, but he doesnt hate it either. He is afraid, he thinks that he can only be strong during his rage moments. Goku saw that wasnt true, and engineered the fight with Cell to show it to Gohan. First he went up against Cell himself and fought to prove he couldnt win. Then he let Gohan get the win. And most importantly he gave Cell a Senzu Bean so that Gohan wouldnt think "I only won because dad weakened him first", he would *know* that he beat Cell 100% with his own power.
And it worked. After that Gohan isnt afraid to fight anymore and in fact actively seeks fights out. He becomes a Super Hero of his own will. He jumps in to help with Buu of his own will. And whether you go down the Super or GT route, he continues volunteering himself for dangerous missions of his own free will. Gohan gained the confidence Goku wanted to give him.
Father of the year.
Fax 👌✨
It was only ever Gohan's willingness to fight that Goku misjudged.
Gohan was always willing to fight post Saiyan Saga, and after he froze up when it came to Nappa.
The whole "Gohan doesn't like to fight" nonsense was an ass pull by Toriyama for the sake of, when he was main character, to have low stakes slice of life and superhero hijinks, because he was sick of what DB had become.
It failed, of course, because the people who stuck with DB wanted that. Toriyama had his revenge, though, when it came to Gotenks and the horrible fight against Super Buu.
it has since become actual character assassination for Gohan, because he constantly has to relearn the lesson of not taking his power for granted and using it for the sake of his friends and family. Time and again he slacks and lets others do the fighting for him, and when push comes to shove, he cannot get the job done. Even when he gains massive amounts of new power, he always fails, swears to do better AND THEN HE DOESN'T.
Except, of course, for Super Hero... which was supposed to be a Piccolo movie, until they had Gohan steal the win because 'member the Cell Games?
i believe goku is also a good grandfather because GT showed moments of him caring about pan's safety and i do believe if goku was invalid with the super hero arc i do believe goku would not fight cell max but stay by pan just to let gohan have his big moment
Maybe we're looking at him all wrong. A good dad wants his kid to be safe, yes, but he also wants his kid to face challenges and overcome them, even those that exist within themselves. Piccolo may have been more than happy to keep Gohan coddled and safe, but how would that have helped Gohan in the long run? He's not a baby anymore.
Exactly. Piccolo saw what Gohan wanted, Goku saw what Gohan needed. Thats the real father.
Yall tripping, saying that goku is a good father is just delusional😂 he tries but he ain't a good father, this is the same dude that will dump his family for years if needed just for more training😂 he choose to stay dead full knowing he had a whole new child "goten" and in dbs manga he forgot he had a granddaughter lol
@@fortunatosamuel2520 Some of us dont care what Super has to say since its a ball of garbage continuity. Goku willingly stayed away from his family only twice, once after defeating Frieza because he had an opportunity to learn a once in a lifetime technique (which he earned for the years of fighting for his family he had just finished and was right to learn because many future scenarios would have been lost without IT), and the second time when he chose to stay dead to avoid any more of his old enemies coming back for revenge (completely justified considering every threat to his family on Earth had been explicitly looking for him or a byproduct of it. Raditz came for him, Vegeta came because Raditz was there, Frieza came for him, and all five of the androids plus Cell came for him.)
@@baval5 super is a pile of garbage, agreed lol, but no let's be realistic, for anime standards sure he a good dad but for real life standards there's no reason on earth that's good enough for you to leave your family not once but twice😂 come on be honest, Gohan was flipping 4 and a half when he decided to stay dead and leave him in the hands of an sus dude (piccolo at the time was not a clear allay) and the second time he knocked up his wife and left for 5 years plus, resulting in a whole child that never met his dad, like tell me how's that is being a good dad? Not to mention that when they fought cell he gave a senzu-been to the opp just before forcing Gohan to fight him alone, that's crazy😂
@@fortunatosamuel2520 I think "as long as Im around people will keep showing up to blow up the entire planet" is a pretty good reason. If terrorists kept trying to blow up my house to kill my dad I wouldnt be too mad if he decided he needed to move somewhere else.
Giving Cell a senzu bean was for Gohans benefit. Gohan struggled with confidence and if he beat Cell after Goku had fought him Gohan would have just assumed he only won because Goku weakened him first. Letting Gohan beat Cell from full power after seeing that his dad couldnt do it gave Gohan confidence, which he kept for the rest of the series.
I love goku as a dad he's really awesome and badass in my opinion.
Lol the Thumbnail Choice,
Nice 😂 its like the perfect thesis sentence.
By Saiyan standards (or at least full blooded Saiyans), Goku is absolutely the best father, not counting the Dragonball Minus/DBS version of Bardock, (which turned Bardock into Jor-El) and the DBS version of Vegeta (who is basically meant to be Vegeta allowing his character development to stick for once).
Even count Bardock, what he do Goku do it if he would. In the case of Vegeta, he are in a very diferent stage of fatherhood, Goku has an adult and an pre-teenager , the adult is in he's own way, and Goten has Chi-Chi . Vegeta has a pre-teenager and a new-born of course he is gona be more worried about they and even more because Bulma has her company in contrast whit Chi-Chi , which is a full time mother.
2:50 that's a really good photo of the son family
The only mistake Goku made was not telling Gohan what he was planning for the Cell Games and getting Gohan’s consent so he’s not caught off guard.
after what happened on namek they all deserved a year long vacation
People just don't realize that his personality type just doesnt prioritize/understand the emotional consequences of what he does. He thinks about saving his wife his child and his friends but he doesn't understand how Chichi and Gohan etc would feel emotionally during that time of his disappearances or choices. Gohan and Chichi are safe to live on happily in his head but they do miss Goku very much . Goku's priorities aren't the emotional reasonings which is why people get the idea that he's not a good father besides him "not being around".
Most of the people that think goku is a bad dad either
a. Treat tfs goku as the biblical portrayal of who he is
b. Havent watched the series in 20+ years or something
C. Are just joking.
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Goku is awesome 😎
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goku will always be my anime DAD!
I always see piccolo as more of the uncle. Up to and including the part where you like your uncle more when you're younger, but appreciate your father when you're older.
As I see more videos like this in the fandom, i think we are growing into our... appreciationing phase as a fandom.
I'd love to see a Bojack mention when Gohan was helped by Goku and the quote before his "IT"
The thing about Goku is he’s a Great Father but a horrible Husband lol
Perfect video
Gohan was so precious
Nice dad video
The two major points against Goku when it comes to his parenting- 1.Not coming back when he had the chance. Instead he decided to stay on Yardrat. I agree that in the long run it was the right decision. 2.Giving Cell a Senzu because he didn't understand his son's personality. I wish Goku knew the fusion dance at this point, it would've been cool to see Gogeta destroys Perfect Cell if the dumb prince agreed to fuse in theory. Or a Gohan+Future Trunks theoretical fusion. Now you didn't talk about Piccoro here, but people forget it started from kidnapping. If you look at the show in Japanese, Gohan refer to Piccoro as "uncle." It is an uncle figure for him not a father figure there is a difference.
Goku does have a habit of bailing on his family. Living with Uub and training him up may have been necessary but I think I remember it being said he didn't visit much if at all during those years despite having literally instant transmission. Unless I'm misremembering that's a lot worse than Yardrat. The Cell situation is definitely his all-time low. He outright says in the manga that he thought he could probably take out Majin Buu (with SSJ3) but "wanted to give the kids something to do" so that they could overcome the danger and grow. Goku openly admitted he wasn't strong enough to defeat Cell but healed him (and gave him a zenkai boost) before telling Gohan to take the weight of the world on his shoulders and avenge everyone. That was entirely unnecessary and regardless of the faith he had in Gohan he could have just stepped back without healing Cell to the horror of everyone else as if Goku had even pushed Cell very far to begin with.
@@KittyCalibur I am not sure he didn't came to sleep at home after a long day of training. I will check the 1st episode of GT again in Japanese to see what they say.
I am not so sure Cell got a Zenkai from his fight with Goku. Even if he didn't, it was still too much to put on Gohan's shoulders I agree. As for the Boo arc- Collection of mistakes not just his but true.
@@KittyCalibur I checked it out. Chi-Chi said Goku never came home in 5 years. Brutal man! I don't know how she is still with him.
I've always said that Goku IS a decent father figure for his kids. He wants them to step up and use their power to protect everyone and that desire isn't an inherently bad thing. It's a traditional fatherly role to have. Now, when he tossed Cell a sensu bean and made Gohan put his life on the life even longer after Gohan was on the verge of reaching Super Saiyan 2.....
That was the biggest low for Goku and probably why a lot of people say he's a bad dad.
Cell already killed many of their friends and countless innocent people but he fully restored him with a zenkai boost too and unlike the Buu saga with Gotenks Goku did NOT have the power to personally stop Cell the same way he thought he probably could have defeated fat buu in the manga. If Gohan lost then everything would have been wiped out and he'd have had to live with the guilt of it. No matter how you twist it Goku was a horrible father in that moment. Thankfully that's an exception though.
In a time when disciplining a child is called abuse, where the kids must be protected from losing and feeling sad. Of course Goku seems to be a bad father.
But he's a great and even wonderful father, for an age where a father's role was to raise their kids, not to bind the knee at their every whims.
This thumbnail is slaying me
This is exactly what ive been saying, goku may not be the best father but he tries his best
1:01
Gohan.
That is all.
"Anyone can poop out a child, but it takes a real dad to raise one"
-DevilArtemis Kermit
I love how everyone in the cell arc look like angry cats 😂😂😂
This is such a nice video. I'm sick of all the "Goku is a bad father/husband/friend" BS that's flying around in the internet.
In the Dragonball Manga Goku is a great father, husband and friend and all the memes suggesting otherwise are actually quite infuriating as they are presented as facts.
With DB Super it really depends on the medium. The manga has still the best depiction of him and considering Toriyama's involvement with it, it's the most "canon" to me.
Who saved the multiple planets more often than people can count? It's Goku
Who also spent most of his time between the 23rd butokai and his second death with the family? That's also Goku. Seriously, the guy pretty much got tricked into a marriage and he's there for like 90% of the time. Almost no person in real life can do that!. Because when Goku is there with the family, he really is there and not spending his time at work. He's self sufficient and when he provides for the family, he does it WITH them.
It's like 9,5 out of 12 years and that includes 1 year of forced death and 4 or so months before he ever had a chance to be brought to earth from yadrat. And then another 4 months were reviving dead people had priority. And actually the second time they used the DBs to create a new home for the entire Namek population. After another 4 months, where the DBs could have been used again, Goku arrived at home already.
After his revival Goku spends another 10 years with the family full time. The only time Goku selfishly left the family after that is when he wants to train UUB. And by that point in time both his sons are grown up.
Who managed to push his son above even his own limits? It wasn't Piccolo or Vegeta. No just Goku.
Who is the first person to offer help to any person (no matter the circumstances) without ever wanting anything in return? Not Bulma or Chichi, the so called "good parents" who both can bee pretty petty at times.
Who never prevented his sons from following their own desires? Not Chi Chi, who constantly demands her son needs to study and stop fighting. And while Gohan is not a fighter at his core, there were times where he wanted to fight. (And he still wants to to a certain extent) and Chi Chi tried to prevent that. Goku never told Gohan even once to not become a scholar or to even neglect his studies. He actually encouraged Gohan to follow his dreams. Yes he has a snarky remark about Goten not training enough to beat Fat Boo. But obviously he didn't force him to train either or to not do standard teenager stuff. Unlike Vegeta, who threatens Trunks to cut off his funds if he doesn't fight in the tournament.
Who always notices when the times for happy challenges are over and when to get serious? Not Vegeta, it's Goku.
Whom did Future Gohan and Future Bulma wish was there to help out in the crisis? Goku. Not Vegeta, not Piccolo, Goku. Because he'd surely find a way. Because he was reliable.
Yes Goku is a little troublesome to live with or even sometimes annoying as a friend. That is because he is a free spirit and was brought up in a very different way. And really who isn't difficult sometimes, all of us are. But when it matters, when it really counts. Then Goku is the most reliable person period.
"Like a hero again" hmmmm something about these words doesn't sit well with me
Leslie Nielsen: “Well…That’s because you’re an idiot.”
@@GanonGhidorah Sadly the reference is lost on me
@@ACertainManI don't blame you, it's from Seinfield 💀
Why?
@sugondeez1708 why you gotta do Seinfeld like that😂
I think goku just taught gohan was a lot like him and that he would adapt to battle like he does
Gohan is the one with the character traits of a hero during the cell saga
Goku is a fighter but gohan has the mindset
I wish they really did something with saiyaman
This is one thing I dislike about tfs, they marred how good Goku actually was and they themselves subscribe to the vegeta is better which I think is bull till post cell anyways. But thanks for bring the truth to light
People also need to remember this is fiction and not always reflective of real life situations.
the only 'bad' part of goku is not really being there for his son, but he was always there when he needed him most so that counts i guess
I think in the world of dragonball the fictional whacky world of dragonball.. goku is a good father, now in our world... maybe not but we shouldn't apply real world logic to a fictional show
Agreed, training to save the world is the real life equivalent to being a world leader…probably more important ow that I think about it.
Goku is a good Dad. It's just most of his knowledge is about fighting. That's why he tends to mess up time to time.
There will always be slightly less intelligent fans who are unable to interpret to story correctly. The same bird brain fans that think goku is a bad dad, are the same bird brain fans that think sasuke is an overreacting emo lol.
To me Goku has always had an understanding hat he is a part of of something much bigger than himself; that he is sort of "above" everything that's on a small scale like individual lives or moments in time.
Not in a prideful way, more like he just sees the balances of good and evil in his universe, and unserstands his role in that eternal struggle.
Many of your examples support this. On a small human scale, not coming home to his family seems negative. On the universal scale, goku knows his role as THE GUY to keep the universe safe.
In every single argument of goku being a bad father or simple minded, if you game out what would happen if he chose to focus only on gohan, the world ends AND Gohan would never have reason to train at all.
Goku is big brained, everyone else in the show sees only the short term.
I never understood why goku just teleported to kami's world then teleported back to earth instead of giving that speech
The fact that this video needs to be made shows how much some “fans” don’t know the source material and base their arguments off of memes and parody, smh. People who actually like Dragon Ball would never argue that Goku was a bad father.
It’s embarrassing that this topic even needs a video
Piccolo being Gohan's Dad was simply a long-running meme. Some people really thought it was true and would debate it. Issa joke
Although I do think Goku is a great person and a OK father who cares deeply about his family we have to cut the BS. Goku acts more like a friend to Gohan than a true father. The only time I ever have seen Goku put his foot down with Gohan is when the former had just turned Super Saiyan and was in a mood. Goku is distant; despite being physically present as a parent he was able to heavy spar with his son alone in the void for nearly a year and not notice Gohan's lack of confidence nor internal ferocity. Goku is like the Japanese Salary Man father who is present, who supports the family but somehow still is not there. At least to the level a father should be.
Counting on your son to "snap" in order to beat a genocidal manic in a fight is reckless at best. Especially when there historically has never really been any consistency in when Gohan snaps. The fight with Recoome comes to mind here. You would think if there was a time for Gohan to "snap" when backed into a corner it would have been there.
As a man it is insane to believe you can protect your family without being present. Do you really think intergalactic threats are just going to leave Earth alone because you died on a back water planet? No, those threats are still out there and now you are not around to protect your family if they get threatened.
This Goku's got to be perfect narrative has got to stop, what makes the character great is that he has flaws, blind spots. Trying to rationalize away Goku's weak points just serves to make the character a Gary Stu. Which I do not know about the DB fan base but I do not want at all.
Goku isn't a great family man by any means. He does have fun with Goten and had, at least when Gohan was a child, done the same for him and he has never turned them away or outright rejected how they wanted to live. He expressed his inability to understand but always let them decide at the end of the day when there was peace.
Now with that being said Goku doesn't understand family. He sees Roshi and Grampa Gohan as family but it's pretty obvious he gets more emotional over Krillin being hurt or killed than his own sons. The staying dead thing isn't that big of a problem with the dragonballs and baba but the bigger issue is how Goku lets his obsession with finding a successor to defend earth get in the way of his responsibilities. Goku is the worst husband in Dragonball without question. Sink-or-swim fathers exist and Goku is one of them. That's not the worst thing since his sons will have to defend themselves and possibly the world in the future if he isn't around.
Rather than him staying dead for a while to train himself up to the limit more than he could have alive I think the bigger issue is how Goku didn't spend much, if any, time with his family during the years he spent training Uub despite being able to fly/instantly move between the village and his home. He openly said that he could have defeated Buu when he first appeared using SSJ3 but chose to let the kids have a chance with their fusion and Gohan's potential first. If he wants them to overcome challenges that's fine but against Cell he didn't have that failsafe to protect them and ultimately he failed to do so with both Gotenks and Gohan when they couldn't destroy Buu alone.
Goku has always been a great example of a morally grey character and that needs to be highlighted more often. He cares about the people around him but he acts for himself and his own sense of justice. The only time he's actually acting to save as many lives as he can is by throwing someone else to the wolves and telling them to overcome it so they can succeed him as the defender of the planet and that only ever ends up with many more deaths and greater danger or with him abandoning everyone else to train with Uub. But well, at least the world didn't blow up when Uub was getting trained I guess?
@sentarious1
Did you forget about the saiyan saga & namek saga?
I've always felt that people saying Goku was a bad father & Piccolo being Gohan's true father were just joking & making fun of the way things played out in Dragon Ball.
I didn't think anyone thought Goku was really a bad father, husband, or person for real.
But here you are trying to actually defend Goku as if people really had a serious complaint about him.
Thank you for putting some respect on Goku's name 🙏🏿. Everything he has done has been a calculated sacrifice for his family and everyone around him. He doesn't need help most of the time, but let him wanna go train so he can CONTINUE TO PROTECT THOSE THAT DO, and he's a deadbeat. Y'all be killin' me 🤣😂.
he is more like a cousin or uncle
Goku's only problem is that he is inconsistent. It's a problem on all sides, not just parenting.
And that fucking Sensu Bean moment with Cell.....
I do think that Goku did the best he could with everything going on in the world in the time skips,but anyways God bless everyone who comes across this comment 🪽 ✝️ 🔥 🙌🏻
Personally, I think the only valid argument of Goku making a bad call is the seven years of not talking to his family.
Like if you’re not gonna visit them for secure and their safety you can at least call them on king Kai.
Doesn’t make him bad father, but I don’t think it’s very good call .
I don't know... When Gohan turns SSJ2, he wears Piccolo's gear. Same when he unlocks Beast Mode. Then there's the time in the future where the Androids made him asymmetrical and the time when Buu manhandled him, all while he wore his Father's Gi. _Do you see a correlation here?_ Really makes you think. 🤔
All joking aside, of course Goku is a good dad. Is he reckless? yes. Arrogant? Yes. Overbearing? Yes. Inconsiderate? At times. Stuborn? Oh yes! Negligent? I mean, kind of... But, he is kind and showed his son that kindness, confidence, and determination were keys to being your very best self. Oh, and how to eat lots and lots of food. 🤤 🍖🍚🍗🍚🥩🍚🍲🍚🍙🍚🍛🍚🍜🍚🍣🍚🍤🍚🍡🍚🍚
W video
How about both, yes both.
Black goku kills his entire family (goku) you killed chichi and gotten
(Gohan) excuse me what the f
Gohan Doesn Live In Goku/Chichi's House (Even In The Flashback We See Black Goku Killing Chichi And Goten Right In The Spot After Killing Zamasu[Goku])
No bud you got the title wrong it’s why Piccolo is Gohans dad not Goku
I mean, Goku had his child son fight to save the world lmao....I dunno about good dad 😅
True but the mem is funny.
Not to throw shade at Piccolo, but the fact that what started out as a joke (and not a particularly funny one, imo) wound up being seen as gospel baffles me. And no, I don't blame TFS, that's the "easy" way out for the uninformed. That "joke" was a thing even before TFS did it.
Oh sure, a talking slug who has a vendetta against the dad of the kid he abducted for the sake of using him is such a great dad, right? The same dude who dropped that kid in a shallow body of water that was still deep enough to drown him if he hadn't woken up. The same dude who threw that kid at a plateau, which would have either killed or seriously injured him, had he not instinctively activated his powers. The same guy who told that kid to fend for himself for half a year, with the only consolation being that he was watching him from a very far off distance, then for the remaining half of that year, he gets the breaks beaten off of him by his kidnapper to prepare him for a fight he never asked to be part of, but all of that is forgiven because "OMG! The green man gave his life to save the boy he kidnapped attempted to groom into a vessel for world domination! HE'S THE BEST FATHER IN ANIME!".
Again, that rant aside, no shade at Piccolo. It's directed more at the people who misinterpret his dynamic with Gohan in attempt at claiming he's a "better dad" compared to Goku. At best, Piccolo is like an older brother (since he's actually not that much older) or an honorary uncle to Gohan.
video is a massive W
tfs npc's btfo
id say hes and aveage dad
I'm the 999th like
Vegeta is a great father
Goku has a head injury and honestly is as bad a father as vegeta. The fact is who know how sayian raise their children.
Blud it’s a joke
Realistically Goku was not a good father, but that’s due to the constant emerging of more powerful enemies and Gokus extreme obsession with battle because of his blood. Piccolo filled in a lot of the gaps while goku was absent and that’s why people call piccolo gohans father which makes sense. The full picture is that gohan needed both father figures to be as well developed as he is now
goku is a deadbeat dad 🙂
Agreed lmao
Nah, aint even watchin the video.
Ive seen the anime. He is a good father, but piccolo is his DAD!! XD
Yall tripping, saying that goku is a good father is just delusional😂 he tries but he ain't a good father, this is the same dude that will dump his family for years if needed just for more training😂 he choose to stay dead full knowing he had a whole new child "goten" and in dbs manga he forgot he had a granddaughter lol
he wouldn’t just stay dead for no reason. He wanted to stay dead because he felt as if all of the villains that were trying to destroy the earth were only there because they wanted to kill goku.
@@jonjon-wv2ivi get that, but technically that still does not make him a good father for real life standards
Goku is a good father but he's not father of the year. You mentioned about Goku realizing the mistake he made which shows he's not the best father as Piccolo understood how Gohan thought better than Goku did. Goku is a caring father but overall Piccolo is just a better father figure than Goku because Piccolo understands Gohan's feelings while Goku thought Gohan was more like him than he really was.
Counterpoint: Look at when Goku was around Gohan.
Goku saw Gohan attack Raditz as a toddler. Then died.
Then he came back and saw Gohan trying to help him fight Frieza and he had to yell at Gohan to run away. Then he didnt see him for a year.
Then he came back and saw Gohan wanting to train to fight constantly while Goku tells him to relax. Then Gohan volunteered to enter the Time Chamber with Goku for a whole year to train to fight against Cell. Then that moment happened.
Given what Goku actually saw of Gohan why would he think that Gohan didnt want to fight like himself? All he ever sees Gohan doing is jumping into fights. Piccolo was around Gohan a lot more often during that time because he wasnt dead or lost in space, so of course he knows a bit more about Gohan.
But also and finally, Goku was right. After Gohan gained confidence from fighting Cell, Gohan *did* like to fight. He became a Super Hero of his own accord and went to fight Babidi and later Buu all of his own choosing. Gohan did *not* hate fighting like Piccolo thought, he was just afraid of it and thought he wasnt good enough.
On the other hand, when Goku realized he might be dooming Gohan, he immediately asked for a Senzu to regain his strength and save Gohan. He made a mistake and tried to own up to it.
One should also remember some of the RoS&T scenes were added by Toei. Scenes like Gohan taunting his father to be like Piccolo, the nightmare of Cell (whom he never met), etc. Really Gohan’s pivotal scene in the manga is his doubts that he could get to SSJ or stronger, referencing Future Gohan’s failure.despite being SSJ.
Piccolo has never been a father figure. Guardian/friend/mentor are all more applicable. Piccolo is more like an uncle.
Another reason Goku gave cell a senzu bean, Cell has Frieza's and Vegeta's DNA inside him, and they are both sore losers. Because of this, if Cell got pummeled, which he did, he would just blow up the planet. And that's exactly what happened between Cell and SSJ2 Gohan
If goku would have continued to fight cell he would have gotten stronger just like his other fights where he was weaker than his opponent.. jiren or the first time goku fought beerus.
Goku may have been able to beat cell. Once he gets backed into a corner...he finds a way.
Goku without even trying knocked his wife thru a wall and tree almost killing her goku could have killed gohan when he punched him i wonder what would have happened if that punch did kill gohan ill make a fan manga about that
Nah, we only count what we see on screen.