Noam Chomsky in conversation with Jonathan Freedland
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Philosopher, cognitive scientist and political activist Noam Chomsky discusses the roles of the state and the mass media, 25 years on from his essential work Manufacturing Consent.
A prelude to Propaganda: Power and Persuasion - a major British Library exhibition lifting the lid on the ways governments across the planet have attempted to influence your thoughts for over 100 years.
Just read “profit over people” by Noam. Great essays to understand the modern “free market” economy. Good for all my young friends out there to get an understanding of your environment.
Chomsky has changed his mind about social media slightly; he is all over youtube and it's a joy to see him here. He has an intellectual's perspective from even before the 2nd world war. He saw it all happen and he was observing it intelligently and perceptively. He is an international treasure.
I wouldn’t have known about him if it wasn’t for social media
There is lot of people who have a RUclips Channel. However they can't stand Social Media like Cal Newport, Dr Chomsky etc
Thank God for digital recordings. We'll be analyzing Chomsky's analysis of conditions for decades.
Like the one where he said the unvaccinated should be forcefully herded into isolation camps and left to starve? Of course you won't.
His "thin man" expertise on Balkan anorexia will be on RUclips forever, yes, thanks to Serbian TV. :-)
@@orboakin8074 Utter fabrication on your part. Chomsky said they should voluntarily segregate, if they're decent human beings, and they SHOULD NOT be left to starve.
@@michaelsmith8665 Right....right. I TOTALLY believe you. I mean, I have seen the video. I do know what he said. What you think he meant and what he said are two different things.
The amount of knowledge inside Chomsky's brain is beyond comprehension. He knows dates, quotes, and names of everything. He really is a national treasure and I wish more people would listen to his words. Truly one of a kind.
"How come you know so much about everything?" - Charlie Rose, interviewing Noam Chomsky
He is a genocide denier so no thanks.
He’s a living prophet. Everything he says is true.
@@glasrazuma933 you misunderstood him
@@fionnmaccumhaill1023 Misunderstood? The man openly denies Srebrenica genocide, what is there not to understand. He supports Assad, minimises Cambodian genocide and Rwandan genocide as well.
Every time an interviewer interrupts Chomsky, the average IQ of the global population drops by 2.78 points
I’m in agreement. Freedland obviously doesn’t understand what an ass he’s making of himself by trying to ‘counter’ Chomsky.
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Any interviewer that tries to derail him quickly confronts Chomsky's polite query - "Do the facts matter?" - followed by a tsunami of information leading to an inescapable conclusion. A conclusion that barely even needs to be stated it's been rendered so obvious. This is why Chomsky is rarely seen on corporate media.
"He lacks concision." as one can't squeeze an answer from Chomsky between two commercials which is why he's rarely invited on tv.
I hope this man lives forever. He is such a source of great information and common sense.
The almighty God is listening to your prayers!
Chomsky is not suited to give short answers. The preamble is all we hear as he gets cut off before the main point is addressed .
Nothing like belittling a genocide am I right gamers
Yes, I love belittling the Cambodian and Serbian genocide! "BUT USA AND UN BAD!! :))"
I'm not sure he was belittling a genocide. I believe what he was saying is that it was an atrocity, which it was, but saying it was genocide comes with some specific conditions. In this case, women and children were driven out or allowed to escape. Within the conditions of genocide would be indiscriminate killing of a race or group of people, including women, children, elderly (like the Holocaust, which he mentions as a analogue). Allowing anyone to escape doesn't meet this condition. So, IMO, he was saying it was a terrible atrocity, but saying it was genocide is inaccurate and inadvertently diminished the real impact of actual genocides that have been carried out.
@@jbooker2271 The only reason the women weren’t killed was because they were raped. You’re in denial if you think Srebrenica wasn’t a genocide.
@@bigmojito1765 ... I'm not saying anything either way. I'm not qualified to decide what is and is not genocide. All I was saying was that Dr. Chomsky, who knows way more about any of this than the overwhelming majority of us, was trying to differentiate between this atrocity and others using the now nearly vacuous term "genocide". That's all.
@@jbooker2271 He is not that smart and he is extremely biased towards serbs.
25:26 This guy obviously didn't know what he was talking about. Chomsky was marginalized by major media networks all his life and publishers were trying to shun his books.
They did more than SHUN his books. A book he and Ed Herman published in the 1970s - Revolutionary Bloodbaths - was SUPPRESSED. Thousands of copies were shredded. An executive at Time Warner read the book manuscript when it was already in print, was appalled, and ordered all copies destroyed. Then he sold the publishing house to another company that lacked distribution facilities, effectively killing it. The book later came out in expanded form as the first volume of The Political Economy of Human Rights ("The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism," it's called, published by South End Press.)
You are right. I was born in 1965 in the UK. I was very interested in current affairs and politics. I never heard of Chomsky until 1990 in Chanel 4 documentary and after that almost never saw him on mainstream media
Whoever's idea it was to make cramming in 50 topics rather than letting the man finish his points properly a priority deserves a spanking.
Chomsky gave him a spanking
Amazing this is brilliant!!
absolutely
@@wallacecleaver4485 whoever is a word right? and whoever's idea just means it the idea belong to that whoever.
Notice when chomsky calls out the guardian the news reporter wanted to switch topics Hella quick hahaha
I didn't see Freedland's minimally obtuse interjections affecting Chomsky's delivery at all. People, generally, cannot condescend to Noam as his grasp of facts and his ability to recall dates, names and events are just mind blowing. I think this talk was probably the most enlightening Chomsky talk I have seen, and I am quite an obsessive Chomskyphile.
Freedland is a fucking terrible journalist. Even by the standards of terrible journalists, he is terrible.
Chomsky's knowledge is phenomenal.
He’s abysmally shallow. Like everyone of his views, since forever. The man is a shallow thinker and he has proved it time and time again.
@@C_R_O_M________ Takes one to know one, right?
@@Infodawg2012 Yes, you sure have a talent for it.
@@C_R_O_M________ No need to be a sourpuss. So sad and pitiful.
I love the Way Jonathan Freedland gets the arse and tries to brush off Chomsky when he rightly criticises The Guardian. Freedland doesn't even bother to debate the point, he just waves it away and his voice tails off in 'oh do fuck off' kind of way.
1:08:15 He taunts like a 4th Grader there and looks way out of his depth, what a prick. I detect an element of jealousy from him, that he will never be revered the way Noam is.
@@kyletopfer7818 Lol indeed does look like a child way he was pointing his finger at him with his arm stretched out like that...
Ah the guy is out of his depth, but anyone would be.
You can see him reading the next question too when Noam is talking, and you can see him itching to ask it. He interjects too much.
NC is 82 and still the sharpest tool in the shed. It's hard to rattle his intellect.
92 now and still true
I wonder how much MSM journalists like Friedland (and memorably, Andrew Marr) are able to reflect on Chomsky's critique of the media and their role in it, when Chomsky presents it to them directly...
They're not, because they only care about their paycheck and sense of self-importance.
I am impressed by Jonathan Freedland's moderation during the Q&A. He seems to put in much effort in allowing every question to be heard.
I thought Johnny Boy was a horrible interviewer. I want his boss to fire him!
If we ever want to create Millennial level memorable figure like Marx and Caesar and all those dead we can't let go, NOAM is the man. He revises most civilizations and put their moves in perspective. When is his big book coming out?
+Maxxi Seneca yeah, marx was renowned for being wrong, noam is just in his footsteps and without the creativity.
+boliussa Congratulations, you have passed through the filter. Now you can be properly described as an educated member of the society.
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Chomsky : "I can't listen to MLK speeches, literally, although I greatly admire him. ..."
Freedland : "If you didn't like MLK ..."
Lol, you caught that
Would anyone be so kind as to provide a time stamp for this?
I especially liked his comments on the "narrowing" of media over time. I think that point of view is something that people today do not understand in part because of all the "junk" on the internet that Chomsky talks about. what a great talk!
Extraordinary Chomsky, inhibiting "moderator."
Chomsky is at his best when being challenged. His intellect & knowledge has been outpacing challenges to his views for 70 years.
I'm not familiar with this moderator but he defeats the purpose .
@@jeremiahb3519 he’s a small hat like Chomsky called Jonathan Freedland who works for the guardian newspaper and like Noam is a fraud
@@3tp if you think Noam a good check out the far better Michael parenti
@@JohnKobaRuddy Noam is a fraud? Attempt to discredit him ...I'll wait....
His explanation at 22 mins of the historical role of intellectuals is telling...cubed....what a guy!!!!
Interviewers should learn to ask adult questions.. and then shut up.. and listen.. when someone as learned as Professor Chomsky takes the time to teach us. These two cent glib - simplistic - irrelevant questions just interrupt an opportunity to learn from someone that can legitimately be called a genius.
He's not a genius, just a genocide denier.
‘A quick-rife round’ ? Johnathon Freedland succeeded in combining the formats of an interview and a ‘game show’, in order to create the strangest experience of viewing Chomsky that I’ve seen since Chomsky’s debate with William F. Buckley. (I did enjoy, as Chomsky discussed the NYTimes and the WSJ, watching Freedland manically pointing towards the audience, only to return to his own notes for the next question.)
Q: who is the best educated person in the 21st century?
A: Noam chomesky !
Who is the most effective educator in the past 60 years. Hint they did not work at Harvard.
@@chrisames2795 ... yes, Chomsky's closest friends were impressed how much and how broadly Chomsky read. Seemingly, he read everything. Basically, Chomsky is self-educated.
@@barquerojuancarlos7253 That explains why his thought patterns are seamless.. He was never indoctrinated. His Mind is like a great Gospel singer. Powerful.
Naom Chomsky
@@barquerojuancarlos7253 Yes. He went to an experimental Deweyite school from toddler age - no grade levels, no competition, no report cards. When he was about 12, he started hopping trains from Philadelphia to New York City, where he worked a newsstand his uncle owned, soaking up the political commentary of brilliant immigrant minds from all over the world as he sold newspapers. He went to an academic high school, which he hated, and then had a very unconventional college experience, which consisted mostly of long, open-ended seminars held in someone's apartment or a nearby restaurant. His mind developed according to its own interests, not according to programmed instruction.
Jonathan Freedland, the moderator, is a Guardian-Journalist and self-proclaimed „liberal“. In case anyone wondered why he seems so pointlessly hostile at times.
Thanx for this..it gives hope to the cause of justice for all....
As for Chomsky's "thin man" moment when he shared his expertise on Balkan anorexia with Serbian TV, historians will wonder why it wasn't all over for this oracle after that.
Where is that part ??? Tnx
the irony of a major Guardian propagandist like Friedland conducting this interview is glaring
Yes an awful jounalist for an awful newspaper.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! Makes you wonder why did he do this with Chomsky? Was it a moment of reflection, a chance to see sense or an opportunity to get some “inside info” if you like, get more info on Noam’s views to instigate his own propaganda?
@@naveed210 When it comes to the environment and renewable wind and solar Chomsky is benighted. Solar and wind energy is very unreliable, relatively unproductive, and very dilute.
He’s Chomsky’s Jewish brother
Man, I was recoiling as I started watching this as I can’t stand Jonathan Freedland but watch as much Chomsky as I can. Freedland is just a propagandist for Israel. He’s probably trying to perfect his technique by learning from someone who knows the subject matter better than most. I’m glad I’m not alone in knowing Freedland is not a good journalist.
What a joke talking over Chomsky. Shut up and let him talk.
"i've got experimental subjects" i love Chomsky
A very importent voice. Very interesting.
‘If that’s the case, what made *you* so special?’ That’s an asinine argument, and an utterly bizarre thing to say to Noam Chomsky.
The question was “what makes you so different?” - in reference to Chomsky’s explanation that out of necessity intellectuals, like journalists, tend to be servants to power. Freedman was complimenting Chomsky’s ability to not allow propaganda or corporate pressure to influence the information he writes or discusses. Freedman wanted to know how he did it.
@@fhanoverartist The difference is that Chomsky has a conscience; the others have a pocket calculator where their hearts should be.
@@michaelsmith8665 A pocket calculator? More like a dollar sign !
You CAN vote, and you DO have the freedom of speech, but it still does not mean that you have freedom and democracy.
Its not democracy if corporations and super rich individuals have a monopoly on who the candidates are.
Chomsky is always priceless but the whole interview style is absolute trash. A total corporate style quantity over quality approach. Overall definitely a worthy watch.
Mkenna is the man
I'm simply awed and amazed at the clarity of your beautifully crafted and meaningful post.
I'm glad that you understand that I really don't agree. I'm thrilled that you decided to let the world know as well.
Chomsky has been a big influence on me... and through Chomsky I discovered the writings of American writer Derrick Jensen.
Jensen really tackles environmental issues from a so-called radical -- and rather sane -- perspective. Chomsky discusses global climate, well, chaos circa the 70 min mark.
Chomsky agrees with some aspects of Jensen's anarcho primitivism. Says he brings up very important issues surrounding our destruction of the world.
Jensen is great!!
This leaves you wanting more of Chomsky. The intellect. The wisdom. The Insight!!!
The issue I have with the premise of this lecture series is the focus on state propaganda. In the age of powerful multinational corporations you need to look beyond what just the state does if you want to get a real sense of how propaganda shapes our lives.
Fortunately, professor Chomsky understands this.
The interviewer cannot hold a candle to Dr Chomsky
Chomsky talking about facebook was hilarious 😂.
I fear we'll never see the likes of him again
the interviewer's ignorance becomes more evident as he asks and interrupts simultaneously.....people always try to win over Chom.'s argument without proper examination of the subjects that they are discussing....i think that their goals are to win him, not have some new ideas or broader perspective from honest and intellectual conversation.
+damien park Because they don't understand they are not just arguing in this conversation, but with all of his work for 50+ years and thousands of pages
"That was the photograph of the thin man in the concen- eh, buh, behind the barbed wire..." Noam on Serbian TV
Nicely done British Library, not every day you see an official institution publicly discussing the system of propaganda and indoctrination that they kind of are supposed to be part of. Keep up the good work =)
I did not like the British Library reporter!
Fried land interrupted Chomsky at Chomsky’s request to keep the discussion moving along. Freedland explained this would be happening before he introduced Chomsky so that they would not run off topic.
Freedland is a corporate media propogandists
@@josamtess1 LOL!
Listen to Chomsky, then listen to several hours of Dr. Milton Friedman giving lectures and fielding questions from the audience. One cannot be truly educated until willing to listen to opposing viewpoints without animosity, but rather curiosity.
Milton Friedman killed my curiosity when he argued in all apparent seriousness that there should be no licensing of surgeons. If your local butcher wants an extra revenue stream performing surgery, no problem, just let the cadavers pile up until the people recognize "who the best surgeons are." That is fundamentalist religion, not political commentary. Back to Chomsky.
thanks for this!
Bertrand Russel died at age 100. Chomsky now is just 84 year old. There's a room for hope :D
Excellent interview, thank you.
Interesting how this is the third most-viewed video on the British Library's (the largest library in the world) RUclips channel.
Bilbo Baggins is so smart!
The 'scientific consensus' once condemned Galileo. Science is never consensus, it's just data and the lack of it. You won't find the word apocalypse in scientific data.
I need to read more Noam Chomsky.
Noam Chomsky looks like my grandma lol, glad he's still active and speaking out! :D
Robert Machulla wrote the exact same thing 7 years ago...plagiarism is a crime
we’re so, so fortunate in that one way, as species are going extinct, as the coronaviris pandemic has thrown eight million (Americans, alone) into poverty, it’s heartening that we still have one of our best, our dear Chomsky.
@@subversivelysurreal3645 8 million into poverty?? Ypu sure it was the virus or boneheaded decisions by the government
How ironic that Noam's interviewer assisted in the weaponisation of antisemitism against Jeremy Corbyn; Noam Chomsky supports Corbyn.
Well, for one a good interviewer would get some fresh answers out of his partner. There is nothing new in here - because it's the same questions that these people seem to refuse to comprehend since 30 years (especially British journalists - just check the Andrew Marr interview).
The next good step would not to talk your opinion over your guest.
Chomsky for Pres!
His intellectual integrity is one to be admired, of course! I think there is balance to be had re emotional uplifting and critical thought. Perhaps Professor Chomsky is displaying an honourable limitation in perspective due to his position of intellectual high standing *irony* - as much as I do respect it. But some things are a necessary evil and one must work with the framework that is in place. Had Martin Luther King not approached things as he did, I doubt progress would have been the success it was. I think.
Chomsky's claim at 1:27:00 that the banks don't like the deficit is absurd. The banks finance the deficit. their money IS the deficit. I'm surprised he doesn't know how FOMC transactions take place. The FED buys treasury bonds FROM private banks...
This means that the FED ends up with US debt assets, the government ends up with credit, and the banks end up with cash each of which are used as money. And this is only ONE reason why deficits are liked by the banks.
Learn economics
I don't know why, but I thought Chomsky had passed in the 80s. Woke up to this, and I'm not regretting that. What a guy!
HDI number of China in the 2019 report is 85, USA and UK share the same rank 15, Norway is nmr 1 followed by Swiss, Irish, Germany, HK, Australia, Iceland, Sweden, Singapore and Netherlands concludes the top 10
we need more more more MORE honest journalism!!!
I don't like Jonathan..
Does this yipping lapdog understand the Irony of citing Manufacturing Consent while he is constantly making assertion/questions and then cutting Chomsky off from answering? Chomsky absorbs dark energy like Yoda. I hate to admit it, but I might have thrown that dude on the floor, sat on him, and then answered his questions. Chomsky is something to aspire to
Always calm cause he always has an informed response.
Thank you.
I don't care what people think, just look at what Lenin did as soon as he gained power, he tore down anything that might challenge his authority like workers councils etc. We don't need a dear leader or authoritarian father figure choosing whats best for us, maybe you do.
BINGO
I'm adding this comment as a correction to my previous overly protective comment lambasting the moderator. Noam has purposely requested that Jonathan keep him to short answers. Apologies. Seriously.
I think China still cares about its cultural happiness, which is student oriented. I think students across the world should be able to better connect to each other, so those attending a University still have to follow basic discipline to stay at the University. For any student to get disabled is alarming. #Outfits#Decent looks
What he says about Srebrenica and the Balkans is really important; even many leftists who claim to be anti-imperialists fall for the anti-Serbian NATO propaganda. More leftists have to challenge the dominant narrative on this topic.
But what the Serbs did to the bosniacs and to other balkan nations was atrocius, far outwaying what they did to it. Now of course all Balkan nations must be held accountable for what they each did, however between the Srebrencia genocide which has multitudes of evidence that supports the idea that it was meticulously planned and executed, and the concentration camps which again has a large amount of evidence that clearly shows the malicious intent of the serbs such as a guard which confessed during trial to having tortured prisoners brutally, it can be clearly seen why NATO engaged. To not engage would mean further massacre. I discovered this information from this well researched video that I highly recommend ruclips.net/video/VCcX_xTLDIY/видео.html . I still admire Chomsky and his speaking out against American imperialism but I am made far more skeptical of his claims, especially in realtion to genocides and socialist dictatorships.
Your call for more genocide deniers is noted.
I like to watch talk shows about science cuz it puts me to sleep for some reason. I’ve been putting this dude on late at night for the past week now and I’ve slept great 😂
Your parents must be so proud!
Your loss
Much love and respect for your stance for the injustice, media hypocrisy and solidarity movement worldwide and I always agreed with you! HOWEVER SIR FIR THE FIRST TIME ILL HAVE TO STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOU WHEN IT COMES TO BOSNIAN ATROCITIES AND GENOCIDE CARRIED OUT! YES I REPEAT GENOCIDE! THE TEO SOURCES YOU CITED ARE VERY BIASED AND THEY ARENT KNOWN FOR EXTENSIVE DETAILED INVESTIGATION!
Growing up prior to the internet in a small southern city, the only publication critical of government that I had easy access to was a rightwing racist rag sold in gas stations. It blamed rich Jews for pretty much everything. I still bought it and read it with fascination because I had nothing else. So for me the internet was a very big deal. It is true there is a lot of garbage available online as well as in gas stations, so source evaluation was one of the first skills I taught my child.
So sweet...
"Sistemi di potere" a new (italian) book of Chomsky, looking forward to read it. Thank you, Noam!
Why would anyone take Lenin seriously? He seized power like any other petty ruler.
Too Bold the Host.
~ for reasons we know.
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Chomsky is smarter than Yoda.
This video broke my bracket keys
Only in America, really...maybe some other Western countries to a smaller extent, but in the world (people you dont know), he's the most famous intellectual alive by orders of magnitude
stupid format. ask a question, let him answer. whats with the four questions at a time.
"clearly doesn't understand why the internet *is* the printing press of our era."
I think misunderstand him. His point is about the revolutionary impact of the printing press vs the internet. I think it is too early to tell tbh. The internet has only been around a few years whereas we can look back to the impact of the printing press.
Chomsky's critique of the net relates to its capacity to create intellectual islands of nonsense in which folks often remain locked.
Yes, anti-social media on the "splinter-net"!
the host's nervous mood ruins the last 45 minutes...the pinhead should just be quiet and let the master analyst speak, not try to control it...he should have instilled in Chomsky the time format before the program started.
Also ...what is happening in Britain is that internet is hailed as this amazing place of free speach and information (99% free speech crap) everybody "likes" facebook on facebook and at the same time local governments are adopting the so called "corporate strategies" and close libraries in smaller villages and towns.
Hear, hear!
"Ive not read it so can't comment, If the report was even published", take that!
One statement Noam made about the deficit (1:26:00) is patently not true by omission. "The rich care about the deficit." Yes they do. they rant about how it is such a bad thing but they intentional left out two phrases out of every appropriations bill that would eliminate the debt/deficit as an issue. This is achoice that has been available since 1971. They are; " Upon passage of this appropriations bill, the Federal Reserve is directed to fill the Treasury’s spending account at the New York Federal Reserve with the addition to its Reserve Balance necessary to spend the appropriation. In addition, the Federal Reserve is directed to fill the Treasury spending account with the additions to the Treasury Reserve balances necessary to repay all outstanding debt instruments including principal and interest as they fall due for the fiscal year of this appropriation."
"The first sentence provides the reserves necessary for the Treasury to spend its mandate from Congress without issuing new debt. And the second provides the reserves necessary for the Treasury to pay down the existing outstanding Treasury debt instruments as they fall due within the time period of the appropriation or continuing resolution bill.
If this or similar language were included in every such bill it would mean that (1) deficit spending by Congress would no longer involve issuing new debt instruments, so the debt would no longer grow and (2) that all outstanding debt instruments would be paid off as they fall due as long as Congress continues to include the new language in all its appropriations bills and continuing resolutions. So, it seems to me that the sole reason why the national debt exists at all in 2017 is that when President Nixon took the United States off the gold standard in 1971, the Congress did not adjust to the new reality of fiat monetary sovereignty by funding Federal spending using language like the above." Dr Joseph Firestone
This omission is used to convince the public that the government cannot afford to spend on the public purpose, thus creating austerity which drives a need for more more private debt and an excuse for lower wages. Deficit spending is not a risk and they know it because they use it for war.
I was educated by Catholic Religious orders in Ireland during 1960's & 70's. The told us as young children that "the Jews murdered Jesus".
..and still the wonder grew that one small head could carry all he knew
I don't think Freedland was particularly combative; definitely not when judged by the barometer of Chomsky's many other interviewers. If anything he was pretty cordial... his questions were just kind of lazy, going something along the lines of 'you support A, but B isn't perfect either'. I think it's just a reflection of the greater laziness of reporting that ends up painting everything in black and white. Chomsky has never had any problems explaining his views in this kind of environment.
i scrolled down to the comments hoping to see this already said
"Zionists are also the thousands of Israelis in the Peace Now movement"
That's not a fair statement, since you don't know how man of them are secular.
"Stop equating pro-settlement fanatics with Zionism. "
Fair point, but it is what most people mean by Zionist, so I am using the term as most people understand it.
Secular Jew = non-religious member of a religion
Interesting
I love how rightwingers accuse Noam Chomsky as part of the "intelegensia", yet Chomsky himself criticizes the intelectuals. Sowell is one such hypocrite at times.
Where was Sowell a hypocrite?
@@codyvandal2860 Good morning. In an episode of Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson of the Hoover Institute, Thomes Sowell is discussing his book 'Visions of The Anointed', and at one point he scolds Noam Chomsky for commenting on economic and political issues. Funny part is, he can't remember Chomsky's name and refers to him as 'the linguistic guy'.
@@hiiichristinaa371 hmm. your rebuttal is not clear. i watched that interview. be specific
Is there a topic this man is not knowledgeable about? A shining example to all intellectuals on their responsibility to those less privileged citizens of our planet!
Who was it who once asked him, "Have you ever been wrong?"
"I've been late," was his answer.
If some random guy on the street said that, even the Chomsky fans' eyes would be rolling :-D
56:14 that's Goku
Amazing this is brilliant!!
My score: Chomsky 10, Freedland 0!
"What does being secular have to do with anything?"
Zionism is religious doctrine.
"you're distorting the original meaning of the word"
Using language as it is used is not distoring language. Besides the 'original' meaning of Zionism is as diffused as Christianity.