Theist Says Atheists Can’t Understand Love | Jay (??) - MO | S2E19
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Repeat theist caller Jay wants to give us the good news: we cannot understand unconditional love because we do not believe in God. After being confused about why this might be considered rude or condescending, Jay tries to pivot to challenging the hosts to accept God into their lives by “seeking” for 30 days. The hosts are not having it.
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....unconditional love, with eternal torture, you know love.
Just remember he doesn’t want to send you there. You chose to send yourself to hell. 🙄
@@guitarplyr327 Sounds like an violent husband right after beating up his wife. “Look what you made me do!”
But it's "loving" torture.. yeah that doesn't make it sound abusive at all
I don't think they know what "unconditional" means.
Whenever I hear them talk about the "love" from their deity they make it sound like they have Battered Spouse Syndrome.
Gods unconditional love comes at the point of a gun in the form of eternal torture if you don't love the guy who will toss you into hell. Thanks, Jay, I'll pass
likewise
@@nobeoddy1664 I once debated a Christian for almost 3 months on the question of gods infinite love as demonstrated by his offer of a free gift of salvation. To his credit he finally admitted that the gift wasn't free and the love wasn't unconditional. He is still a devout Christian but at least he admitted it.
@@alanrosenthal6323 took them 3 months to admit that?? Wow..
@@claudiasolomon1123 yes. He is very devout and never heard the concept of gods free gift challenged. But he eventually got it. So credit to him
Gods love is NOT unconditional. You have to toe the line for that love. Must believe; must obey; must practice certain rituals; must donate; and so forth and so on.
Jay - I am in a gay marriage. I have a child via donation. I have unconditional love for both my husband and my daughter. My husband and myself are atheists. It is condescending. He thinks he is better that my husband and myself.
Jay is a very ignorant person. He has called into almost every atheist call in show and has shown that he is an ignorant, arrogant moron. He also says things like evolution is a hoax because he has never seen a fish turn into a monkey. I would not put too much into what Jay says.
Congratulations on your marriage and child. You are very fortunate. I am gay as well. I wish sometimes that i had both a hubby and a kid. Sometimes not so much.
I don't think that love is unconditional, as long as humans are considered. Howsoever deep rooted it may be, it can't be unconditional (practically, not in a hypothetical situation).
Just a point of contention, maybe nitpicking.
@@_-AB-_ I would go with "nitpicking". I would go that the conditions for my love to my child and husband does have a tolerance and that tolerance is quite extreme.
@@edheal3246 yes, agreed. I have a lot to say, but I'd abstain. I have no solutions, best bet is to stay honest and have compassion.
I wish (more than at times) if god/magic/supernatural had some substance to it. No idea how to improve existence for coming generations (I think I am spent, but still would try). Cheers.
2 things for your kid: wish and will to seek truth (science), sports (health).
@@edheal3246absolutely it's extreme however the fact that there is a tolerance is proof it's not, by definition, unconditional.
It's definitely just symantics but that's important. How we word stuff is important because it can lead to people automatically disagreeing with you simply because of that absolute statement.
Jay is a dishonest, disrespectful waste of space. I know Eric likes the ridiculous callers, but I still find it hard to believe this guy wasn't banned.
I think they just want people to see how stupid some of these callers are. I hope that goofball keeps his religion, because he sounds like the kind of person who might NOT behave in the best interests of his fellow humans IF he wasn't threatened with fire and brimstone. This guy probably *needs* the threat of punishment in order to behave.
The *only* positive thing about jackasses like Jay is that they help people better see just how irrational believers like him are. They do a lot more to hurt their cause than help.
When my grandmother found out I was living with my atheist partner, she sent me a scathing letter about how my life was going to be miserable because I wasn’t following “God’s plan,” and that my partner couldn’t truly love me because they didn’t know the love of Jesus. We didn’t talk for around 13 years.
No loss.
@@machintelligence When I went no contact with them, it made them really think and re-examine what they said to me. They realized how hurtful they’d been, and said that if they really believed in a god of love, he wouldn’t care, as long as I was happy. We reconnected at my other grandfather’s funeral, where they first asked if it would be okay if we talked (a first) and then apologized. In retrospect, I’m glad it happened, because it ended up helping my grandparents become less judgmental.
@@alliet.7582 I'm glad that it worked out well for you.
@@machintelligence Me, too. And I find it sad that my experience is the exception, not the rule.
@@alliet.7582 Some folks apparently have been taught all of their lives that atheists come equipped with horns and a barbed tail. I have an in-law like that. We studiously avoid speaking of religion.
"I can't step outside of myself, and there's nothing you can say that will convince me that there is no God." -Jay
"You should keep an open mind." - also Jay
NEVER...have I EVER seen Eric so upset by this caller, but I agree. The hubris an arrogance of this guy is/was phenomenal.
Also just babbling over them e timely to the point that he has to be muted is doubly rude and arrogant
When Vi said “let’s stay in context” oooooh that few seconds of silence from Jay being put in his place was *delicious* and the little smiles from our lovely hosts were heartwarming.
7:50 I could feel the burn as well.
Jay: "Why would you call me names?"
Also Jay: "You aren't capable of loving babies!"
Telling another person what they “really” think and feel is fundamentally dishonest.
I’m sure Jay can’t wait to take away womens rights.
But he'll only do it because he loves us so much.😂😂
Jay is exactly what I think a hemorrhoid would sound like if hemorrhoids had voiceboxes.
As a Missourian, I'm deeply sad to say Jay indeed represents the vast majority of people living in my state. We might not be considered the deep south, but we ought to be. Church on every corner here, even in the cities.
Jay: "i understand gods unconditional love"
Also jay: *being intentionally rude and condescending*
Great example of what you think love is bubba.
I'm not interested if thats what you're peddling as love.
Are electricians just automatically "better" than non electricians? thats how confused j is...
That's christian love for ya
What it makes me think of is what you're get if you raised a child, teaching that child that they can never, _ever_ be wrong.
What you'll result in, is a child who is wrong about _many_ things, because they've been raised to value their own truth in every possible matter over anyone or anything else, regardless of what they see and experience. Why would they try to learn new things, when they believe their truth is already superior, that they already _know_ everything they need to know?
Jay is that child, only in this case it's what he's been taught about unconditional love.
As a result, just like the child who believes they have 100% of the truth, knowing better than everyone else, Jay believes he knows and understands love better than everyone else.
And just like with the child, the ironic part is that he ends up knowing _less_ about love than most other people, specifically because he wasn't taught to consider that _he could be wrong._
Those who aren't willing to consider that they may be wrong are most often the ones who end up _being_ wrong.
his "love" is based on the relief he feels due to his childish Dependency on a daddy "god" that makes him feel protected and secure and the whole thing is a shallow coping mechanism created by the conformity of the x-tian mind...
big difference between knowing and choosing to show love
I'm a graduate of the 30 year challenge. Tried and tried to hang on, but magic boats and immoral characters just didn't stick. Only after we let go of the gripping power that fear and superstition holds on us can the true journey of self and life begin.
jay - the crown prince of talkover
Shame Jay can’t exhibit any unconditional love of his own. If smug, sophomoric soapboxing is the closest he can get I think I’ll be fine without his magic beans.
So, his claim is you can't experience unconditional love until you've fulfilled the prerequisite conditions?
Yup, 'love me or burn...'
Concerning God's "love" I always thought that it was an abusive relationship. Not to mention the jealousy/insecurity issues.
Love takes open and honest communication but god hasn't spoken to anyone not schizophrenic since at least 2000 years ago. Maybe he just loves crazy people a little more
I’m only 3 mins in, but I love how you are handling this Eric.
Hilarious how he assumed that you were calling him a condescending asshole, when you really didn’t even mention him!
Yeah... calling in to say he knows what unconditional love is and says how much he loves you, then proceeds to belittle and condescend the rest of the time and misrepresent your journeys. Real cool... Very loving...
Also... can you really say God's love is "unconditional?" When I read scripture, it seemed like there was conditions you needed to meet before experiencing the fullness of God's love. Namely, to love and worship him, glorify him, learn about him, and repent of your sins and follow him. That's not "unconditional."
Also, y'all don't come across as "angry atheists" at all. You both get very passionate at times, but that shows how much this show and topics involved mean to you. You are always respectful to callers and always give way more grace than most of these callers probably deserve. If that's not loving, I don't know what is.
There's that christian love...full of frigging hate..
There's no hate like christian love
“That explains a lot,” is a perfect response.
What an arrogant person - don't have them on again. They don't listen.
Jay is becoming everyone's favorite punching bag.
Eric. This is why you’re so good at this. You’re so level headed, positive, and just…I mean….amazing!
If that was me, my head would have exploded with rage at this kid who is trolling you.
You are a far better person that I am my friend. I think even Vi was impressed.
Much love you two ❤️
I think Eric is an excellent example for anyone that wants to have sincere and productive conversations
@@jrojala He is a way better exaple than Jesus. ;)
He has the “patience of a saint!”
Unconditional love if you follow his conditions or eternal torment for you
How can people who say God's "love is unconditional" view it as anything other than an abusive relationship? Maybe he's just too mysterious and I can never know his mind. "Oh you know, God's just like that sometimes."
When you're that deep in the belief, it's hard to see the abuse. One of the many layers of me coming out of Christianity was learning about narcissism, manipulation, toxic behavior, and other red flags of an abusive relationship. I realized then just how similar the God of the Bible fit that description. Now that I no longer believe, it's easy to point out the abusive nature of the Gospel. But there are so many still in it who can't see it that way. They twist what "love" means and think God loves them simply because the Bible says so. They will literally turn this into a mantra sometimes. At the church I attended for roughly 20 years, they always loved to repeat "God is good all the time" and "Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so." You tell it to yourself and hear it enough times, you believe it whole heartily.
@@JoyfulArtist21 I was only brought up as a part time Catholic, my family is Italian so they were Catholics just because of that. I was never really religious, but I have a friend who constantly tells me the love thing, and it is infuriating knowing he thinks I'm going to burn in hell. Its irritating that people are okay with that and don't see how horrible it is.
@@chrisclark784 They really don't. And they don't seem to understand how it comes across.
There's a verse I was taught all the time growing up. "Speak the truth in love." I saw it with this caller, that same mentality. Though, granted, they have a very twisted idea of what love is. It's why they don't see a problem with telling us we are going to hell. My own mom does this, and I know she legit loves me. To them, they see it as the most loving thing to do. They compare it to coming to warn you your house is on fire. They think they're trying to save your soul. But... the analogy is more accurately like someone coming to tell you your house is on fire when there's no smoke, no fire, and no evidence that there ever was a fire. So, sure. It would be loving and brave to try and rescue someone from a fire. But if you are just yelling at someone when their house isn't on fire and can't demonstrate that we actually are in any kind of danger, then it's just annoying.
I think a lot of people who are in physical or emotional abusive relationships with real people have a difficult time realizing that they are in abusive relationships. Sometimes you only notice how bad it was when you are out of it, or have some sort of a break.
the whole religion revolves around idealizing the malignant narcissism of their god, which trickles down to their views on abuse and manipulation in general. they truly don't consider abusive control tactics and manipulation as wrong.
If you unconditionally love someone, but don’t unconditionally love someone else, then it’s not unconditional. I don’t think unconditional love exists, even in the mind of an all powerful deity.
Unconditional love not only does not exist, it should not. No matter how you define love, it can always be forfeit.
You think? That wasn’t clear to me at all.
I have to say, Vi is a much better person than me. Pronoun slurs aside, the implied: 'no you haven't actually tried' nonsense from this dude creating the 'omfg bro' face without the face-punch response was admirable. :)
What is a pronoun slur
Never seen Eric this angry, Matt’s “spirit” lingers in the room.
He called to get one of yall riled up.
This isn’t the first time Jay misgendered Vi, and he has been corrected in the past.
At a certain point you gotta think he’s doing it on purpose.
But why would someone do something like that? People would think they were an asshole.
He didn’t misgender anybody? He correctly sexes somebody
@@LoveProWrestling because it’s true.
@@cajunking5987 you literally used two separate terms and pretended they were the same. he misgendered them. sex and gender are different things, and an into to biology textbook says the same thing. you don't have to believe in facts, but knowingly using words with different definitions and acting like they have the same definition makes you dishonest and means you are unable to have a genuine conversation about the topic.
@@noumenonification sex and gender are the same thing, otherwise you’d have a new definition for gender that makes sense
Jay: I love Vi
Also Jay: constantly misgender Vi.
Yeah, that was painful since he clearly knows better.
related: what do they prefer in place of sir/ma'am? Any idea?
@@EmpressLizard81
When in doubt, use their name.
@@EmpressLizard81 I've wondered the same thing. I'm southern unfortunately so the yes sir/ma'am comes out constantly, and the only alternative I have heard is mamsir, but it feels too unnatural to use. I think they said it's becoming more common in India to use mamsir
@@EmpressLizard81
I've been told the gender-neutral alternative to ma'am/sir/mister/miss is 'mate'.
It's always bothered me about this 'unconditional' thing, given the religion specifically sets out this beings demands and it's threats if those demands aren't met...
The thirty day challenge to ask God is a perfect example of Christian God logic. If you somehow find a belief in God that’s proof of a loving God but if you don’t find God that doesn’t disprove God because it’s your fault for not trying hard enough or not being sincere enough. Jay totally misses the fact of how many atheists were brought up Christian and how big of a personal struggle, taking years, it was to walk away from it because of the realisation it’s all a brainwashing sham.
I’m an atheist and I love my mother. So FU Jay!
God loves you unconditionally… so long as you follow these conditions, otherwise be tortured forever.
Jay is only participating in the conversation when Jay is talking. 'Listening' doesn't appear to be in his tool kit.
Jay knows exactly what everyone else is feeling because the "spirit of god" apparently TELLS Jay what they're feeling.
And Jay is happier than a non-believer can ever be because that godly spirit talks to him.
When someone's invisible friend start talking to them it's time to make like Elvis and leave the building.
Holy shit, there's no helping this guy.....
This is what happens when belief without question does to you. Confirmation bias and the worship gene got the very best of him and he can't escape it. It's genuinely sad.
As an atheist that was a Christian I felt more love for somebody else than I ever felt from God when I was religious. Unfortunately that ended with her leaving me for someone else after 8 and a 1/2 years but I can say without a doubt that even though that had happened I still do feel love for her just not in the same way and and though it scarred me probably for any future relationships I still hold that love is an incredibly powerful feeling that anyone can feel.
Great handling of Jay by Eric and Vi.
"If you're open-minded..."
Oh nononono, sir! You DON'T want to go down there!
"unconditional love" in Jay's case seems to be a short hand for rationalizing a belief in the christian position.
He's rude, inconsistent, and somewhat dishonest but I still find the process of this rationalization fascinating and it makes me wonder about my own unexamined beliefs that may be based on similar logic
What is love?
Baby don’t hurt me
Don’t hurt me
No more
Imagine suffering the fate of being one of Jay's close acquaintances
Ah yes, the unconditional love that you get from gawd on the condition that you do and think exactly what it wants you to without telling you. Unconditional as long as you meet the conditions.
Ya know, I tried to embody "unconditional love" as an 18 year old atheist hanging onto some woo-woo-wiccan "spirituality~" after my incomplete deconstruction of my family's religion. The envisioned process was that I would take in all the so-called negativity from the world around me & radiate life & love back out. This doesn't work, not even in its own metaphor. Or just makes me a walking doormat who refused to set boundaries or advocate for myself; denying & repressing the hurt & my reactions. Unconditional love is a nonsensical, childish concept.
Even accounting for "tough love" or the love of a parent for their child. It's not unconditional. A parent doesn't love every child on the planet as they love their own. Their love is conditional on the parent-child dynamic. Conditional to their conceptual proximity to the child; the child being "theirs".
Good ole christian "love" and "logic" right there.... lol!
To experience unconditional love...just get a DOG!
So love is insulting others. Riiiightt.... isn't that how abusers act?
Never let Jay back. A true evil bad man
If Jesus would be unconditional love, then there would be no requirement to to follow Jesus to be saved. And Jay seemed to say unconditional love from the beginning, it still misrepresent his deity, since the bible never says it is unconditional love that we get from that deity for it is very clear that if you do not love Jesus then you will also not receive love, that is the very definition of conditional love! If the love would be unconditional then it wouldn't matter what people believe or do, they all would experience the unconditional love.
Excellent logic - unfortunately logic and reason are alien concepts among the god squad.
I wonder how many theists Jay deconverted with that call? Probably more than a few
I'm a Christian... while he didn't deconvert me I do need an advil or two to to make up for the facepalms his smug contempt and misgendering make me question if he knows what compassion is.
"Yeah, God is love...if by 'love' you mean 'evol'." -- Aron Ra.
Question for Jay...
Do you need to DO something to receive this "forgiveness" that you are using to show God's "unconditional love"?
Because if the answer is YES in any way....
Then it's not unconditional, is it....
"If you're open minded and just accept what I say as absolute truth, you can also believe in god!"
This guy is an infinite mine of moron-quotes XD
Jay so frequently does this. Seems to forget how to be a decent person and fails horribly at understanding many basic concepts, and often can't take what he himself dishes out. It's quite annoying seeing his calls in general.
I really don’t think taking calls from him can do anything more for the channel, or humanity for that matter.
I cannot stand listening to him. He is stupid, IMHO.
"Truth hurts"
1. Truth does not necessarilly have to hurt. Truth & pain aren't mutually exclusive.
2. What you said is not true. Non believers can easily experience love.
"Unconditional Love" = If you don't love me back, I'll condemn you to eternal conscious torment.
Vi please call out those misgendering you, and hang up on those who don’t/won’t learn to correct it.
I'd say one warning at least for a new caller who might not realize then yeah hang up. Basic human respect is a completely reasonable request.
@@ParanormalEncyclopedia lies aren’t respect.
This is the illogical emotional side of atheists that just abandon everything we constantly tell theists
Does this guy know our parents love unconditionally what a banger
I wouldn't let Jay anywhere near the electrical wiring in my home.
Managed to catch this one live. Thanks for the audio fix. Entire essays could be written about this call. Yeesh.
I think it was Thermins channel they describe unconditional love as something an abuser uses to manipulate people into confusing forgiveness for permission to do abuse over and over again.
I love that in the middle of his angry rant, he got cut off as he called them angry atheists
So we need an imaginary friend in order to love real people?🤦🏿♂️
“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time... but he _loves_ you"
- _George Carlin_
I love that I have parts of my DNA in common with everything in existence that we know of. There are many miracles, miracles of science.
I say when I look at the stars in the sky, at this vast universe, my problems suddenly become so ridiculously small.
Any yet science tells us I am an integral part of this universe, from the beginning 13.7 billion years ago til the end.
Tiny, miniscule, but inseperable. Matter does not disappear.
I am part of a continuous development, an ever growing complexity in some places while other places get ever simpler (i.e. the voids between stars and galaxies), from particles forming, galaxies forming, life coming into existence.
We are the most complex structure we know of in the universe, but just one step in a seemingly endless ladder, that what comes after us so great we can only speculate about.
So I can be humble AND proud at the same time, can accept others have the same rights as me. Can accept that sh*t just happens, that it makes no sense to despair about things that you cannot change, can concentrate on the things I can change.
No god needed, but I think at least some interpretations of the Bible have surprising similarities.
I feel sorry for Jay, it must be hard to have close and good social relations, when you are like that.
That must be frustrating, and life must be really really hard, especially when you can't accept that you yourself might be the problem og at least part of the problem.
I also feel for the People around him/Jesus loves you.
I’ve had a dog. I know unconditional love.
RUclips algorithm introduced this show to me for the first time and first 2 videos(including this one) it brought to me was from this caller. And this caller is such an obnoxiously condescending hypocrite. The caller preaches about love and open-mindedness while almost becoming the embodiment of the contradicting qualities. I'm not even the follower of this channel yet I felt angered by the treatment hosts received from this person. Respect to the hosts for keeping calm.
I was in my church small group and someone in there said with a straight face that love isn't emotional, it's a choice. I feel bad for their spouse.
Actually, I think Matt Dillahunty has a good, concise answer to Jay's final question of what that evidence would be; and that is, god is supposed to know everything about us, so he should know exactly what kind of evidence would convince each of us. If god really wanted us to believe, he would make sure we found whatever evidence he knew would convince us. But V honestly looked for years, and seems to have done a lot more searching and investigating than Jay ever did, but "god" never presented the evidence to her.
I feel bad that people exist who think of others as less than themselves - out of pure ignorance - and who do not even realize it or subconsciously choose to ignore that fact. If I have ever been guilty of that in my life, then feelsbadman and I'll try to do better. Thanks for this showcase, really puts into perspective how some people can be and certain traits I'd prefer to keep out of my lifestyle.
I think it's more a case that jay struggles with unconditional thought!
At the end of the call. Spent years looking for a god. He/she/it failed hard.
God: "love me, or I'll spank you!!!"
I love that Jay whines about being "disrespected" and yet the entire damned call is him being disrespectful.
I don't believe God's love is unconditional and considering you have to go through a ritual to accept Jesus Christ into your heart
But I did want to say I loved Eric's description of his knowledge of electrical things because yeah I have enough electrical knowledge hurt myself bad I'm going to steal that thank you
You calmly and rationally lead me to understand how my behaviour makes me look like a condescending asshole. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO INSULT ME! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ANGRY A/...
So funny XD
Wow, Jay, one of the really disrespectful callers that likes to call in wants to whine about name calling when he's very disrespectful and straight out basically said he had zero respect for you guys, and yet he's whining that you pointed out his hypocrisy.
Jay .. what does one need for your test? I wouldn't want to guess, but I am willing to try, however I don't know what you expect.
Several days into it .. not a peep from a god.
If god's love is unconditional then what difference does it make if I believe or not?
I tend to take theists for their word about their belief in gawd, but the condescension in this one leaves no room for doubt! JFC!!
I love this stuff
He knows how to do electrical? ROFL. That says it all.
This discussion comes across like someone claiming that secular individuals haven't and can never _truly_ experience _real_ fear if they don't believe in ghosts. That ghosts are the _only_ truest source of unfiltered fear one could ever feel. This all, of course, being based on the premise of 'I was personally really scared one time by what I'm claiming to have been a ghost and I've decided I can't be wrong on my assumptions based on those feelings'.
It's a shame that I don't think Jay is in a mindspace to understand the problems with that line of reasoning.
That time he drowned all of humanity was really loving, wasn't it.?
It's sad and disturbing to hear these damaged minds.
It’s crazy how many theists believe that “understanding and trusting scientific concepts” = “unloving, unfeeling robot”. I can say with 100000% certainty that no matter WHAT my son does, I will ALWAYS love him. If he did something heinous, I would absolutely condemn his actions and we would not speak. He’s literally 3, so y’know, not worried about it; but I know that condemning his actions would not mean that I no longer loved him. Again, this is NOT on my radar, my lil guy is the best and he’s my fave buddy. I loved him from the second I saw him. On our WORST days, I love him the same as on the best days. There are 0 conditions that my son has to meet for me as his parent to love him. And woah, would you look at that? I’m an atheist.
my favorite tactic when talking with people who are obviously there just to be rude, is to be as vile and shitty to them as possible until they're extremely angry, and then demand they forgive me on the spot and turn the other cheek.
"Religion doesn't want you to ask questions. It wants you to think you can't be truly happy without it. It constantly reminds you that you are flawed or imperfect. It's sole porpuse is to make you feel so incomplete that you are completely dependent on it.
It's t that the definition of psychological abuse?"
God's love, even in theists world IS conditional on believing in that God or else you face eternal torture. Unconditional love only for those who worship you is NOT unconditional love by definition.
Jay’s god does not offer unconditional love in the simple fact that you MUST accept this deity as your lord and master. This being also insists you do not have any other gods before it. Should you fail in any of the 633 (or 623?) rules, then this being casts you out of its sight to suffer for eternity. That seems as conditional as it gets.
loophole: we are allowed to have goddesses. The bible cares so little about women, that goddesses aren't even mentioned
It always seems to come down to the same thing with people like Jay here: You can't disprove God to me.
Jay can't disprove that I'm not God. No one can because you can't prove a negative claim. It's just more shifting of the burden of proof.
Jay's aArtemisism is disturbing. I am sure he cannot reason without the sacred thought of the Holy Brunette in his head.
LMFAO. Jay shifts the burden of proof like a good little theist.
1. God loves me unconditionally
2. if i don't comply to his conditions he tosses me into hell
3. seems there is atleast on condition in play thus doesn't make him love unconditionally
Love you two smart and wonderful to look at thank you for standing up for our views❤️