Whenever you take part in discussions surrounding Objectivity and Subjectivity, I learn just how much more of a rather complex topic (and issue) it is, especially when it comes to the anime and manga community. It sounds so simple and surface level, but you've proved time and time again that there is multiple layers to this, which I think is part of the reason why we see this conflict so often online. Important to keep this stuff in mind, especially when it comes to writing scripts for videos that have the potential to be seen by thousands. Great video Doof, now keep uploading!! Also, that RUclips channel in the background for the first 2 minutes of the video seems objectively cool 😳
i appreciate the kind words, mike! it's definitely a complex issue, but man, it can get nauseating getting into the weeds over and over again, lmao. but im glad you enjoyed the background 😳 it's one of my objective favourites (imo)
First welcome back! That person is 10000% wrong and thats a fact. NOTHING perfect exist in any way shape or form on earth. So there is no way to say someones execution "just more ways people came up with the best way to do something" is correct. Obv does not mean the person with the opinion is right it just means its a opinion ezpz. Making the objectively word a "extra special" word makes sense I do that with things to give it that extra bump to show my opinion. Like the way you explained that. Uninterested is a great way to go about it. I love and collect art by masters of their craft. I dont like the Mona Lisa it not my type of art and im not interested in it. BUT I know its a great piece and is beautiful in its own way. Just tough when "internet people lol" put such solid "facts" of theirs on certain things. When they are just a opinion in fact clothing. My purpose and goal is to make doofy happy I watched and support his work and channel. If I did this and accomplished my goal that should make me the greatest sloth ever to exist. 😆
i think you phrased it perfectly: "it's an opinion in fact clothing." i do think there is some merit to an objective theory (kant certainly had some cool ideas), but it's just a little too "out of reach for us." we cannot remove ourselves from our social setting to achieve a "neutral POV." but thank you for the comment!
Thank you for your kind words! As for Homunculus, I actually finished it last month, so I have some pretty fresh thoughts on it: I felt that although it had an interesting angle (taking a speculative fiction angle with trepanation to make a broader statement about identity), what it had to say about identity was pretty shallow. It was a lot of Nakoshi seeing a homunculus, describing it, then Ito psychoanalysing it: 'oh, this person has no neck! they must have some insecurity surrounding their neck due to past trauma.' Rinse and repeat. Even when the focus shifted on Nakoshi, a lot of sequences could have been shorter, especially his interactions with Nanako. Just the constant back and forth of 'you're lying' to 'no I'm not,' over and over again became pretty tiring. Had this manga been, say, 8 volumes instead of 16, I might be a little less harsh, but given its length, each of my issues with the series become increasingly present. However, I do think there are lots of good to say, as well. For one, the art is nice. Yamamoto put a lot of thought into how each homunculus would look given the person's trauma or whatnot. I also enjoy Nakoshi's character arc, even though I've seen this exact thing done before. Perhaps the best part, though, was his relationship to Ito; that's the one part of the story that felt genuinely unpredictable and is largely why I take volume 11 to be one of my favourites in the series. All in all, it was a solid read. I do feel as though it suffers from a mangaka having a concrete idea that he doesn't want the reader to miss, and so there is a lot of on-the-nose type dialogue, pretty surface level imagery to represent ideas, etc. I also cannot help but to think that this manga doesn't contribute anything new to the themes it tackles. It's more or less cut and paste from the works of Freud: the stuff about projection, repression, conflicts of identity, etc. Currently, it sits around a 7.5/10.
This is the first new upload I've seen you do since I discovered u on the Big 3 Doofy. Very interesting video concept and I enjoyed the brain-embiggening you've stimulated in me. Can't wait for what you cook up next👍
In the context of anime, anime is always gonna be viewed subjectively however there are things like animation and aesthetics which can be viewed at an objective point of view.
I wouldn't say they can be viewed from an 'objective point of view.' However, we can critically evaluate them according to certain standards in the animation industry.
i agree with you that evaluations are ultimately just reflections of our own values, but I feel like you're missing out a lot on the conversation of "objectivity" in art when you neglect to mention the visual side of manga (i dont really care about anime or animation). Panel layouts, reading flow, linework, rendering styles, page compositions, etc have all been decently studied aspects of the comics medium with certain objective standards emerging from such studies. That twitter user's tweets are a bunch of nothing, but there's still merit to the idea of objectivity (or at least, the idea of visual techniques that "work") in manga and art. Just my two cents.
I've covered the visual aspect of evaluation on several other occasions, but seeing as this user's focus was on the story, I thought it appropriate to keep my focus there. That said, there is fundamentally no difference between how we evaluate narratives versus visuals. Just like how there are standards in line work, panel flow, and composition on the visual side, there are standards in the way we tell stories on the narrative side (certain grammatical conventions, the demand to maintain continuity, etc.) What is important to note is that these standards are not objective. The reason they are standards at all is because over the course of a medium's development, we discover certain features that make the consumption of that art easier, or they reliably please a large portion of the audience. The key here is that the value of these conventions is entirely dependent on what we collectively value. Put another way, these are only conventions at all because we value them as such. Since the value ascribed to these conventions only exist in the mind of the subjects who value them, they are necessarily subjective. Now, they aren't private in the same way our personal biases are, which is why I try to distinguish them using the term "intersubjective" since there is large agreement among subjects, but nonetheless, they are still subjective. I appreciate your input!
As someone who studies psychology and have written essays on the topic of biases, I always find the concept of objectivity in art a fascinating topic, especially with my personal issue with contemporary abstract art. This video is a good opener to the world of biases (both conscious and unconscious) and its complexity in how our worldview is shaped. You bastardize Kant but I forgive you, for the sake of a mindful community. 😂
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Whenever you take part in discussions surrounding Objectivity and Subjectivity, I learn just how much more of a rather complex topic (and issue) it is, especially when it comes to the anime and manga community. It sounds so simple and surface level, but you've proved time and time again that there is multiple layers to this, which I think is part of the reason why we see this conflict so often online. Important to keep this stuff in mind, especially when it comes to writing scripts for videos that have the potential to be seen by thousands. Great video Doof, now keep uploading!!
Also, that RUclips channel in the background for the first 2 minutes of the video seems objectively cool 😳
i appreciate the kind words, mike! it's definitely a complex issue, but man, it can get nauseating getting into the weeds over and over again, lmao.
but im glad you enjoyed the background 😳 it's one of my objective favourites (imo)
Glad to see you back.
glad to be back 😈
classic doofy video lets fucking goooooo
doesnt get more classic than this 8)
First welcome back! That person is 10000% wrong and thats a fact. NOTHING perfect exist in any way shape or form on earth. So there is no way to say someones execution "just more ways people came up with the best way to do something" is correct. Obv does not mean the person with the opinion is right it just means its a opinion ezpz.
Making the objectively word a "extra special" word makes sense I do that with things to give it that extra bump to show my opinion. Like the way you explained that. Uninterested is a great way to go about it. I love and collect art by masters of their craft. I dont like the Mona Lisa it not my type of art and im not interested in it. BUT I know its a great piece and is beautiful in its own way.
Just tough when "internet people lol" put such solid "facts" of theirs on certain things. When they are just a opinion in fact clothing. My purpose and goal is to make doofy happy I watched and support his work and channel. If I did this and accomplished my goal that should make me the greatest sloth ever to exist. 😆
i think you phrased it perfectly: "it's an opinion in fact clothing." i do think there is some merit to an objective theory (kant certainly had some cool ideas), but it's just a little too "out of reach for us." we cannot remove ourselves from our social setting to achieve a "neutral POV." but thank you for the comment!
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This video is objectively a video! A good one at that (objective fact).
couldn't have said it better myself 😎
Doofy finally uploaded a new video,it’s a good day
you love to see it 😭
Good video as always, have you read the manga homunculus btw? Curious to know what you think of it if so
Thank you for your kind words! As for Homunculus, I actually finished it last month, so I have some pretty fresh thoughts on it:
I felt that although it had an interesting angle (taking a speculative fiction angle with trepanation to make a broader statement about identity), what it had to say about identity was pretty shallow. It was a lot of Nakoshi seeing a homunculus, describing it, then Ito psychoanalysing it: 'oh, this person has no neck! they must have some insecurity surrounding their neck due to past trauma.' Rinse and repeat. Even when the focus shifted on Nakoshi, a lot of sequences could have been shorter, especially his interactions with Nanako. Just the constant back and forth of 'you're lying' to 'no I'm not,' over and over again became pretty tiring. Had this manga been, say, 8 volumes instead of 16, I might be a little less harsh, but given its length, each of my issues with the series become increasingly present.
However, I do think there are lots of good to say, as well. For one, the art is nice. Yamamoto put a lot of thought into how each homunculus would look given the person's trauma or whatnot. I also enjoy Nakoshi's character arc, even though I've seen this exact thing done before. Perhaps the best part, though, was his relationship to Ito; that's the one part of the story that felt genuinely unpredictable and is largely why I take volume 11 to be one of my favourites in the series.
All in all, it was a solid read. I do feel as though it suffers from a mangaka having a concrete idea that he doesn't want the reader to miss, and so there is a lot of on-the-nose type dialogue, pretty surface level imagery to represent ideas, etc. I also cannot help but to think that this manga doesn't contribute anything new to the themes it tackles. It's more or less cut and paste from the works of Freud: the stuff about projection, repression, conflicts of identity, etc. Currently, it sits around a 7.5/10.
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This is the first new upload I've seen you do since I discovered u on the Big 3 Doofy. Very interesting video concept and I enjoyed the brain-embiggening you've stimulated in me. Can't wait for what you cook up next👍
appreciate your kind words! don't worry -- lot's of great stuff cookin up rn
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This some really quality shit bro
the key is to just edit until you hit your average viewer duration, then just let the audio play, lmaooo
Bro just returned from a longer wait then hiatusxhiatus
and just like togashi, i'll be here for a few weeks, then gone for years again!
Geart video man welcome back 👍
glad to be back!!
Peak mangatuber 🙏🏻
more like repetitive mangatuber o.0
Not enough comments yet, I’ll be back to watch when there’s 200+ in one thread
sadly i fell off man :/ gonna have to find another niche
In the context of anime, anime is always gonna be viewed subjectively however there are things like animation and aesthetics which can be viewed at an objective point of view.
I wouldn't say they can be viewed from an 'objective point of view.' However, we can critically evaluate them according to certain standards in the animation industry.
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lol jk it’s a great video
what can i say, you're an influential figure 😳
@@mynameisdoofy HAHA lol nah man, u my influence, keep uploading and i might do the same :)
i agree with you that evaluations are ultimately just reflections of our own values, but I feel like you're missing out a lot on the conversation of "objectivity" in art when you neglect to mention the visual side of manga (i dont really care about anime or animation). Panel layouts, reading flow, linework, rendering styles, page compositions, etc have all been decently studied aspects of the comics medium with certain objective standards emerging from such studies.
That twitter user's tweets are a bunch of nothing, but there's still merit to the idea of objectivity (or at least, the idea of visual techniques that "work") in manga and art. Just my two cents.
I've covered the visual aspect of evaluation on several other occasions, but seeing as this user's focus was on the story, I thought it appropriate to keep my focus there.
That said, there is fundamentally no difference between how we evaluate narratives versus visuals. Just like how there are standards in line work, panel flow, and composition on the visual side, there are standards in the way we tell stories on the narrative side (certain grammatical conventions, the demand to maintain continuity, etc.) What is important to note is that these standards are not objective. The reason they are standards at all is because over the course of a medium's development, we discover certain features that make the consumption of that art easier, or they reliably please a large portion of the audience. The key here is that the value of these conventions is entirely dependent on what we collectively value. Put another way, these are only conventions at all because we value them as such. Since the value ascribed to these conventions only exist in the mind of the subjects who value them, they are necessarily subjective. Now, they aren't private in the same way our personal biases are, which is why I try to distinguish them using the term "intersubjective" since there is large agreement among subjects, but nonetheless, they are still subjective.
I appreciate your input!
As someone who studies psychology and have written essays on the topic of biases, I always find the concept of objectivity in art a fascinating topic, especially with my personal issue with contemporary abstract art. This video is a good opener to the world of biases (both conscious and unconscious) and its complexity in how our worldview is shaped.
You bastardize Kant but I forgive you, for the sake of a mindful community. 😂
i appreciate your forgiveness hehe
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@@mynameisdoofy my nuts, and they said they like the editing