Vader knew he had a son because the rebels were spreading it around that a young pilot named Skywalker, son of a Jedi, destroyed the Death Star. And Vader knew of only one Jedi named Skywalker.
Yeah, it seemed kind of obvious to me, given that no one ever bothered to change their names. Vader fights Obi Wan, who is running around with this force-sensitive kid, whom Vader later learns is named Skywalker and pilots an X-Wing to destroy the death star. Not too hard to put those pieces together. Doesn't need to happen on screen.
Vader knew he had a son, because the Emperor told him about the "son of Skywalker" in Empire. Remember when the Emperor via hologram summoned Vader about a great disturbance in the force. That disturbance was Luke.
@@stevegallo8483 My broader point was that I don't think he even needed that from the Emperor at that point. IIRC, Vader didn't display any surprise about the "son of Skywalker." It was more like, "Yes, mmhmm. Yup. Got it, boss." If he had no idea at that point that he had a son, I would have expected a serious head fake, a "What" ... something. It was pretty easy for Vader to piece it all together without needing on-screen exposition. The Emperor pointing it out fits with that logic already. Perhaps he told him previously (off-screen) in more detail, but it hardly matters. :)
Even if he didn't recognize him, it would make sense, astromechs are stupidly common, hell in episode 1 alone we see at least 2 dozen total, r2d2 was an item to yoda, no different then a pair of clothes
I have no issue with small things like how Phasma escaped, C-3PO's arm, etc, being explained outside of the films as these are not really intregral to the plot. I actually enjoy it when these little bits are fleshed out in book or comic form as it enriches the overall universe. I do, however, have big issues with huge plot elements like Palpatine's return being left completely unexplained on screen. That's just bad writing.
@@adorkability It all goes back to EP 3 where Palpatine talks about his former master and urging anakin to help him discover the secret to immortality and clonening was already introduced in EP2 so he used what his master taught him which was how to create life and cloneing technology. Essence transfer is new but really makes sense as a darkside power
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 I understand that. It's still bad writing. There are literally no hints or clues in the other two films of the trilogy that Palpatine was going to return. It's just sprung on the viewer in the opening crawl of the third film.
@@adorkability that’s cause they were made by 2 different directors and the first director got removed from episode 8 while still doing post production on episode 7 then got brought back in to do episode 9 after the fan backlash to episode 8 not answering any of the questions raised in episode 7 so he had to marry his ideas from episode 7 with episode 8 ideas in episode 9 that’s why I’d feels like a mix of ideas
You know, my big problem with episode IX wasn't really how it brought the previous big bad back without any explanation. I could have lived with them pulling a "The Master" ressurection if there was any previous hint or indication that he was going to show up. It was more the way the whole thing seemed to say "you know all that stuff that went on in the last two movies you watched? Yeah well, we're not doing that anymore, here's something else." There was no buildup or foreshadowing whatsoever to any of the major elements of that movie, and precious little even for small things. So instead of concluding the trilogy they had, I could only assume they decided for some reason they had to write the ending to a different trilogy. And it looked like it could have been an interesting story, but it wasn't, because they had forgotten that important little bit of storytelling where they actually tell the story.
3.23 "How did Vader figure out Luke was his son?" He sensed the force in a resistance pilot. Luke Skywalker becomes a legend. Annakin skywalker hears this, does the math on this guys age and....
@@digitaal_boog his family was dead and he was from tatween the most dirty place in the galaxy, also meeting a pilot called LUKE SKYWALKER from tatween, strong in the force, who was traveling with Obi wan kenobi
You're an idiot. Vader already knew by this time. The probes were sent out to find Luke and the Rebel base. That's why Vader knew the transmission from Hoth was where the rebels were hiding, because he sensed his son there.
I remember hearing about that theory of Yoda a long time ago, you have to remember that guy was in seclusion for many, many years. I believe he went insane from talking to himself for so long without being around anybody for such a long time.
So there’s a way the whole Palatine returning can be salvaged if they’re going the route I think they are going back to that Darth Vader comic where he learns about Luke, there was another villain there who was experimenting with cloning named Cylo. This Cylo guy wasn’t force sensitive and he explains it very well is said comic. Just by briefly mentioning Cylo in Mandalorian season 3 or any of the upcoming TV shows (he died for good before Empire Strikes Back) they can set up that the Palpatine Clone in Rise of Skywalker was salvaged from the remains of Cylo’s cloning experiment.
Wasn’t Yoda pretending to be senile the entire time he was on screen with R2? Plus if he did recognise him we can assume he might have mentioned it off screen or he deliberately didn’t since Luke didn’t know about Anakin at that point.
When it comes to the mystery of why certain characters don't recognize others in the timeline- From a safety/security standpoint, never give up information until necessary regardless of present company. Probably a feature developed during the clone wars so as not to reveal anything to says etc. Sounds as good as anything else to me.
@@dmichael1172 most Star Wars fans probably haven’t seen an original cut of the trilogy unless they were old enough to have seen them in theaters cause with advances in technology came the meddling of Lucas using the new technology even going as far as changing the actor for anikin’s force ghost in return of the Jedi from Sebastian Shaw to Hayden Christensen to better match the prequel trilogy
@@kevin10001 probably but I have a copy of each of the original cut of orginal trilogy. So I show that to anyone who's never seen it b4 i show special editions. That's the one good thing of have hard copies of movies.
You forgot to mention that the Jedi Temple was built on top of a Sith temple and Palpatine had a Sith shrine hidden underneath it. As explained in the novel "Tarkin"
After being cut off by Darth Vader and being so strong with the force Luke Skywalker's hand went on to play "thing" in the hit series "The Addams Family" and later co-starred opposite Jessica Alba in the movie "Idle Hands".
I have never lost any sleep wondering what happened to Luke's severed hand. In a galaxy filled with wizard knights wielding laser swords body parts tend to get dismembered all the time.
@@frigginjerk it’s more than just bad writing. It’s the change of directors for each movie. The Disney executives looking at stats for profits. Producers with their own agendas. Etc..
@@frigginjerk Though lets not detract from the fact of how bad the writing actually was. I'll give you an example. I felt more for the Bomber pilot girl in episode 8 than I did for most of the rest of the cast.
The Answer to Why did Yoda recognise R2D2. "When nine hundred years old you make, look this good will you not. He was 880-890 at the end of the prequel trilogy...
For me, the reason it took a year to rescue Han is because Shadows of the Empire should have been cannon. The original extended universe was far, far, for better than anything Disney gave us, especially the prequel books.
No, the EU was a much bigger mess that what we have got now. There have been great stories but there also have been very weak stories and many contradictions. Disney did the right thing by declaring the whole EU not canon. The many problem with the sequel trilogy is that they did not have a complete story for all three movies and every director could do what he wanted. It is interesting that there is hardly any new material for the sequel era. They know that fans hate it, so they concentrate on those eras fans love. Before you say anything about how great the EU was, please remember that there was no creative control in the early years. The Thrawn-trilogy was written at the same time as the Dark Empire-trilogy but the writers of both trilogies did not communicate with each other and thus both trilogies contradict eachother. And this is just one example from the early years. Although they tried to fix the mistakes they've made, they did not succeed and the mess got bigger and bigger. And the reason is quite simple: they considered every novel and every comic and every computer game canon, even if they contradict each other. How many stories about the Deathstar plan did the EU have? It was possible to save the EU. They simply had to declare which part of it is canon and which is not. But at the time The Clone Wars was broadcast, because with this show every single novel or comics taking place during the clone wars suddenly was not canon anymore. That's the reason that removing the EU from Star Wars canon was a very good thing, because they could start with a blank slate which allowed much more creative freedom and new stories to tell.
Is it just me, or did Star Wars lore get a lot more convoluted and dumb over the past few years? It was already really, really, REALLY convoluted and dumb before, but I feel that it has gotten much more so lately. It's a hard thing to measure, but that doesn't mean that it isn't true.
#8: I always just assumed Vader found out Luke was his son when the Emperor warned him in their conversation in "The Empire Strikes Back". #7: Luke's severed hand drifted all the way to Earth, where it was adopted by a family with the surname "Addams", who named it "Thing"!
So Palpatine lied to Anikin about his son being dead and Obi-Wan lied to Luke about his father being dead. No wonder it took them so long to find each other
@@TheKyrix82 yes but he told Anakin that Padme had died on Mustafar where he had her in a chokehold and the emperor convinced Anakin that he had killed her then which she was also pregnant. So it’s pretty obvious that the babies had died too so no surprise Vader came to that conclusion.
@@michellereyna8671 He never said she died on Mustafar. Just that in his rage, he killed her. It's entirely possible that she died from some internal injuries off planet, as Vader clearly has no memory of what Anamin did to Padme. But yes, it does make sense that he thought his child was dead
@@TheKyrix82 okay maybe he didn’t outright say Mustafar, but Vader did know that he had her in a chokehold and that he didn’t kill her because he says smth along the lines of “she’s alive, I felt it” meaning he knew he didn’t choke her long enough to actually kill her.
Why does R2 keep so many secrets? He knew who Obi-wan was, who Yoda was, likely knew who Luke was and that Leia was his twin sister. May even have known vader was Anakin if he has put two and two together, which knowing R2, he probably did. Little git told noone anything!
And was the most foul-mouthed character in the whole franchise. They bleeped every word he said in the movies. Sorry. I couldn't resist the chance for that dad-joke.
Holy crap! R2 is the real sith lord. He was pulling everyones strings, including jar jar and palps. .........that also explains why he chose to wake up when he did. He wasnt asleep/powered down....he was waiting.
In "The New Republic" novels written by Timothy Zhan, Luke's hand is used to create a clone, that they called Luuke. This clone is a key element with Mara Jade and her hypnotic command dealt by Palpatine for her to kill Luke, although Palpatine is at that time supposedly dead. As in a combat involving Luke, Luuke and Mara, just when Mara slayed Luuke instead of Luke, the hypnotic command vanished and she regained full control of herself.
I had seriously hoped that the Knights of Ren would be a group of stylistically unique Sith-type warriors. The trickster, the zen master, the tinkerer, the force-focuser (less weapon reliant), etc. The flavour that could have been introduced with that concept is a hell of a missed opportunity.
Thanks for all the explanations. HOWEVER, for those who don't read the books, comics, etc this should all be explained in the films! As someone who has seen the animated series, seen the films, and read a few EU novels, there are still plot holes to understand, so I am glad people like you and other content creators are here to fill us in on the lore. But they do it on purpose so we buy their books, comics, etc. So, thank you again for filling in the blanks
What planet was Starkiller Base? Answer: Ilum, in Jedi Fallen Order, if you decide to return to the planet, there is a huge ring carved out on the planet. Mystery 2: The First Order was gathering strength in the Unknown Regions but Starkiller Base would be near the Core Worlds if it was Ilum.
Number 8 has me confused. So did Vader just forget that Luke was his son until the emperor told him in the empire strikes back? The emperor says "I have no doubt this boy is The offspring of Anakin Skywalker" to which Vader replies "how can this be?" Then the emperor says "search your feelings and you will know it to be true"
You can tell that the franchise has jumped the shark when people start magically returning Luke's hand to plots. Thing is, it's made totally clear where his hand went in ESB, when you see it falling away into the clouds after Luke lands on the vane underneath the city. Yep, the hand and the lightsaber it was holding was eventually crushed in the core of Bespin, so it's impossible to find it ever again. Even Lucas was wise enough not to have it pop up again somewhere. Ah well, the franchise has jumped so many sharks by now what's another to go with them!
If you go by the Extended Universe logic the hand got lodged in one of the intake vents for the shaft where Vader retrieved it and stored it on his personal vault thing on some backwater planet. You find this out in the Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy of books.
Speak for yourself about certain 'mysteries' being decades in the coming. Some of these questions WERE answered by the old EU, which was canon, before it was eliminated. For instance, Luke's hand and saber was indeed found by Palpatine, who took it to his secret base on Wayland. Years later, the cloned jedi C'baoth found the hand and lightsaber and created a clone Luke to be his apprentice. Also, the canon Shadows of the Empire multimedia event explained what happened to Han. The heroes chased Boba Fett around for several months, before Boba eventually made it to Jabba's Palace. Also... Jabba didn't need to have an auction for it, since he had already placed a bounty on Han Solo, and Boba Fett, being a bounty hunter, was collecting on it.
The title of the videos states they were explained outside of the films. The vast majority of people will never read the comics or play some of the games so for the majority of people nobody knew about his hand on top of the fact that like you said the old EU was discarded anyway
The c3po arm story arc is a (great) playable story level in Lego Star Wars: The Force Awakens. There was a dlc that added 3 missions set before TFA and that was one of them.
The severed hand being caught and used for a clone also happened in the "Heir to the Empire" novels as well. The third book of the trilogy had issues with some clones of a Jedi, Joruus C'baoth, and of course, a clone of Luke. Yes, those novels are now Legends, so maybe that comic is borrowing the same concept, that someone caught them and was using it for cloning experiments.
5:12 That's the problem with a 'prequel' There's always some plot hole when you make a movie afterwards in real time, but "before" in movie time . At the end of "Temple of Doom" Indiana Jones says " I believe in the power of the stones" yet near the beginning of "Raiders" Indy says to Marcus " I don't believe in any superstitious hocus pocus"
2 things: 1: Another mystery is: How did Boba Fett make a small appearance in A New Hope, which was before he was invented? 2: Luke’s lightsaber survived a lot more than falling of cloud city. It: Fell into lava Stayed hidden on Tatooine for 14 years A Sith and a Jedi basically played ping pong with it using the force Almost fell into an abyss JUST TO GET DESTROYED IN SAND
The story of the hand is a Di$Ney retread. In the expunged legend, Vader retrieved the hand and the sabre as trophies for his master. This would be revealed in the Thrawn trilogy (that would have made for much better sequels IMO) when Luke met his clone, Luuke Skywalker who was created from the aforementioned appendage.
Number 1 shows how much more dangerously cunning Palpatine was as he made sure there was so much pain and suffering in the universe that when Order 66 was carried out the Jedi were defenseless
How did Vader know Luke was his son? Easy- When Luke enters Leia’s cell on the Death Star he says “I’m Luke Skywalker, I’m here to rescue you…. I’m here with Ben Kenobi…., yada, yada”. It’s pretty safe to assume they had security cameras and Vader watched the VHS tape and put 2 and 2 together.
Yoda not recognizing R2-D2? There are hundred thousands of R2 droids in the galaxy and you expect him to recognize him as the droid of Jedi? He hardly had any contact with R2 and they have certainly not been friends. What is actually more surprising is that R2 did not recognize Yoda and tell Luke about him, at the latest, when Yoda was actually in front of them.
IIRC during the "yoda arc" of season 6 of TCW, R2 was the astromech in his ship; a little plot convenience to add a second major character to the story. What about when Luke and Obi Wan first meet in ANH? why didn't R2 blab about Obi Wan to Luke?
I love the originals but to be fair, they are also pretty bad writing. Needlessly follow a narrow trench for 10 minutes despite the whole length being open to space? Darth Vader being Luke's father AND Leia being retconned into his sister after they made out? Ewoks defeating an entire legion of the Empire's best troops? "What I told you was the truth from a certain point of view"?!?!
@@Firebirdwinters here's the problem, one, death star trench was the best approach due to the lack of guns in it, the deathstar had a stupid amount of firepower, while the trench means low maneuverability, it also means there's not hundreds of guns firing on your approach, darth vader being lukes dad and Leia's dad isn't some ridiculous retcon or anything, he was a powerful force user, and so his children had connections with the force, as for making out, she kissed him one time to piss han off, and Luke acted smug about it that was the kiss, nothing more, and ewoks didn't defeat a legion of the best stormtroopers, they actually got slaughtered, but the 5 minutes they had in there sneak attack was devastating, which for things the suze if an ewok with better physical strength then most non wookies, and it makes plenty of sense
I hate that the sequel trilogy never explained details and plot holes and it was left to the comic books writers to do it. The comics were great, but “Somehow palpatine returned” is not an explanation
All Astro mechs made the same noises and I’m sure there were other R2 units were made the same color scheme. Yoda in the clone wars had a mission with R2 but I’m sure he has seen so many droids. It’s not as important as the force and no attachment
Disney Star Wars: "Oh we didn't answer that in the film? We created a plot hole? We got a comic for that! Or have here...read a book. After all we can't look like we don't know what we're doing!"
If Mace Winddu was so powerful in the force, why didn't he visit Obi-wan or Yoda, and why weren't there a legion of fallen jedi spirits at the end of Return of the Jedi?
Palpatine returning as a clone is 100% not absurd for Star Wars lore. His force precognition, all of the preparations and contingencies, large scale manipulation, and strength in using the force are very consistent with the character
It’s dumb, and it shouldn’t have been what they went with for the movie, but it is absolutely consistent with Palpatine and entirely plausible for Star Wars. Rey being his daughter/granddaughter is essentially the same thing he did with Anakin. If The Rise of Skywalker had been released as a noncanon book instead, fans would have been going crazy and telling everyone to read it.
It's explicitly stated in Rise of Skywalker that Palpatine is probably a clone. His lair is also full of cloning equipment so you just have to use your eyes.
Mystery not explained: Why is Lando Calrissian wearing Han Solo's clothing at the last scene of RotJ? (Obviously Lando didn't have time to pack his clothing when leaving Cloud City & had little to no choice but to borrow Han's, but it's still weird.)
@@toddnolastname4485 The video is "10 Star Wars Mysteries Explained Outside the Films". That "mystery" was literally explained in the movie, dumbass. Edit: I've seen your arguments on other comments and they really suck lmao. Vader sent out the probe droid to find out where the Rebel base is, not only to find Luke. And when he got to Hoth he sensed another Force user which is something that happens with other Force users in other media. He didn't sense his son, he sensed a Jedi. But keep trying to defend the garbage comics bud.
The real reason Yoda (and Obi-Wan) didn't recognize R2-D2 is because George Lucas cared more about shoehorning original trilogy characters into the prequels then making the continuity airtight even if it relied on a ridiculous level of coincidences. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Obi-Wan literally calls r2 old freind, next r2 is owned by padme, he gets given to anakin, with c3p0 given to her, then later after padme died, her close freind adopts her child, and takes the droids with him, the droids then serve there new master, which results in them being on the rebels side, with Luke being a jedi he naturally rose high into the ranks, and worked with the droids that his new freind and sister, owned, seems pretty natural and airtight to me
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5:10. Why does everything have to be so complicated? The simple answer is Yoda knew exactly who R2 was, but just didn’t say anything.
I'm sure all R2 units just of the production line are identical. I can't see how Yoda could recognize it
I agree plus besides I don’t remember yoda having any full on interaction in the prequel movies but I could be wrong
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Luke's hand was found by Wednesday Adams, taken in given the name of Thing.
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Vader knew he had a son because the rebels were spreading it around that a young pilot named Skywalker, son of a Jedi, destroyed the Death Star. And Vader knew of only one Jedi named Skywalker.
Yeah, it seemed kind of obvious to me, given that no one ever bothered to change their names. Vader fights Obi Wan, who is running around with this force-sensitive kid, whom Vader later learns is named Skywalker and pilots an X-Wing to destroy the death star.
Not too hard to put those pieces together. Doesn't need to happen on screen.
Vader knew he had a son, because the Emperor told him about the "son of Skywalker" in Empire. Remember when the Emperor via hologram summoned Vader about a great disturbance in the force. That disturbance was Luke.
@@stevegallo8483 My broader point was that I don't think he even needed that from the Emperor at that point. IIRC, Vader didn't display any surprise about the "son of Skywalker." It was more like, "Yes, mmhmm. Yup. Got it, boss."
If he had no idea at that point that he had a son, I would have expected a serious head fake, a "What" ... something. It was pretty easy for Vader to piece it all together without needing on-screen exposition. The Emperor pointing it out fits with that logic already. Perhaps he told him previously (off-screen) in more detail, but it hardly matters. :)
Maybe the Skywalker last name was like Smith in the Star Wars universe.
Wrong. Boba Fett told him all he found was "just a name, Skywalker"
Yoda recognized R2 D2. Much like Obi Wan, he just didn't let on that he did. Yoda knew who Luke was too. He was testing Luke even then.
That's always been my take on it.
Even if he didn't recognize him, it would make sense, astromechs are stupidly common, hell in episode 1 alone we see at least 2 dozen total, r2d2 was an item to yoda, no different then a pair of clothes
@@calebbarnhouse496 I concur, people act as if R2-D2 is the only Druid in the universe with that paint scheme
I have no issue with small things like how Phasma escaped, C-3PO's arm, etc, being explained outside of the films as these are not really intregral to the plot. I actually enjoy it when these little bits are fleshed out in book or comic form as it enriches the overall universe. I do, however, have big issues with huge plot elements like Palpatine's return being left completely unexplained on screen. That's just bad writing.
It's not bad writing; it's marketing. At least with the sequel trilogy
@@Phenix19 Marketing or not, from a writer's viewpoint, it's still bad writing.
@@adorkability It all goes back to EP 3 where Palpatine talks about his former master and urging anakin to help him discover the secret to immortality and clonening was already introduced in EP2 so he used what his master taught him which was how to create life and cloneing technology. Essence transfer is new but really makes sense as a darkside power
@@eliezerrodriguez5863 I understand that. It's still bad writing. There are literally no hints or clues in the other two films of the trilogy that Palpatine was going to return. It's just sprung on the viewer in the opening crawl of the third film.
@@adorkability that’s cause they were made by 2 different directors and the first director got removed from episode 8 while still doing post production on episode 7 then got brought back in to do episode 9 after the fan backlash to episode 8 not answering any of the questions raised in episode 7 so he had to marry his ideas from episode 7 with episode 8 ideas in episode 9 that’s why I’d feels like a mix of ideas
You know, my big problem with episode IX wasn't really how it brought the previous big bad back without any explanation. I could have lived with them pulling a "The Master" ressurection if there was any previous hint or indication that he was going to show up. It was more the way the whole thing seemed to say "you know all that stuff that went on in the last two movies you watched? Yeah well, we're not doing that anymore, here's something else."
There was no buildup or foreshadowing whatsoever to any of the major elements of that movie, and precious little even for small things. So instead of concluding the trilogy they had, I could only assume they decided for some reason they had to write the ending to a different trilogy.
And it looked like it could have been an interesting story, but it wasn't, because they had forgotten that important little bit of storytelling where they actually tell the story.
Because the buildup and foreshadowing was in the novels, because Disney integrated the Canon across all medis
3.23 "How did Vader figure out Luke was his son?" He sensed the force in a resistance pilot. Luke Skywalker becomes a legend. Annakin skywalker hears this, does the math on this guys age and....
It also helps a lot that Luke is also called Skywalker.
@@white-dragon4424 good point. How to hide someone who is wanted? Keep their original name and addressz
@@digitaal_boog, you must have missed the comic where they explained that Skywalker is as common in the Star wars universe as Smith is in ours 😂
@@digitaal_boog his family was dead and he was from tatween the most dirty place in the galaxy, also meeting a pilot called LUKE SKYWALKER from tatween, strong in the force, who was traveling with Obi wan kenobi
Maybe because Emperor Palpatine told him
The emperor tells Vader in the empire strikes back he’s his son…it’s not exactly a secret unless it’s for first time viewers
Yeah, I was about to say the same. If anything, I’d like to know how Palps found out.
No. Vader already knew. Pay attention. He knew the rebels were on Hoth, because he sensed Luke there as soon as he turned his attention that way.
@@TheWorldMemeDatabase it's in a vision at the sith shrine in coruscant basically from the empire strikes back from a certain point of view book
Nah it was the Chimp eyed lady
no he doesnt
3:02 but palpatine tells him hes the offspring of anakin skywalker in empire...
Yes I’m not the only one
He mentions Luke by his last name during the Echo Base siege.
You're an idiot. Vader already knew by this time. The probes were sent out to find Luke and the Rebel base. That's why Vader knew the transmission from Hoth was where the rebels were hiding, because he sensed his son there.
@@toddnolastname4485 Him sensing a force user doesn't mean he's sensing his son. He had no clue he was his son during the battle of hoth :)
I remember hearing about that theory of Yoda a long time ago, you have to remember that guy was in seclusion for many, many years. I believe he went insane from talking to himself for so long without being around anybody for such a long time.
Insane Yoda goes from himself talking only to for so long, he does! Rum Red! Rum Red!
So there’s a way the whole Palatine returning can be salvaged if they’re going the route I think they are going back to that Darth Vader comic where he learns about Luke, there was another villain there who was experimenting with cloning named Cylo. This Cylo guy wasn’t force sensitive and he explains it very well is said comic. Just by briefly mentioning Cylo in Mandalorian season 3 or any of the upcoming TV shows (he died for good before Empire Strikes Back) they can set up that the Palpatine Clone in Rise of Skywalker was salvaged from the remains of Cylo’s cloning experiment.
The incredulous disdain in your voice while explaining Palpatine's resurrection is perfect.
Nice video!! Really enjoyed it
Wasn’t Yoda pretending to be senile the entire time he was on screen with R2? Plus if he did recognise him we can assume he might have mentioned it off screen or he deliberately didn’t since Luke didn’t know about Anakin at that point.
When it comes to the mystery of why certain characters don't recognize others in the timeline- From a safety/security standpoint, never give up information until necessary regardless of present company. Probably a feature developed during the clone wars so as not to reveal anything to says etc. Sounds as good as anything else to me.
the emperor literally tells vader “the son of skywalker lives” in the empire strikes back. that darth vader comic storyline is so unnecessary
It wasn't the line orginally. It's another mistake by Lucas tinkering.
@@dmichael1172 most Star Wars fans probably haven’t seen an original cut of the trilogy unless they were old enough to have seen them in theaters cause with advances in technology came the meddling of Lucas using the new technology even going as far as changing the actor for anikin’s force ghost in return of the Jedi from Sebastian Shaw to Hayden Christensen to better match the prequel trilogy
@@kevin10001 probably but I have a copy of each of the original cut of orginal trilogy. So I show that to anyone who's never seen it b4 i show special editions. That's the one good thing of have hard copies of movies.
@@kevin10001 Forgot to add when my daughters want to see it they always ask for the original cut and they are only 16 and 13.
You forgot to mention that the Jedi Temple was built on top of a Sith temple and Palpatine had a Sith shrine hidden underneath it. As explained in the novel "Tarkin"
After he destroyed the Death Star Luke literally became the most famous person in the galaxy. Not hard to see how Vader knew his name.
Everything about the sequel trilogy was a missed opportunity. It started great, but was destroyed after reading “THE FIRST ORDER REIGNS!”
After being cut off by Darth Vader and being so strong with the force Luke Skywalker's hand went on to play "thing" in the hit series "The Addams Family" and later co-starred opposite Jessica Alba in the movie "Idle Hands".
Great video and presentation.
1:53 Star Wars Underworld. Sounds like good title for a series.
in a star wars comic it said that ugunauts found the lightsaber and after a while maz had bought it but i can remember which comic
I have never lost any sleep wondering what happened to Luke's severed hand. In a galaxy filled with wizard knights wielding laser swords body parts tend to get dismembered all the time.
Honestly. The saber sure, but the hand? Why does anyone care?
Shadows of the Empire is the true answer for finding Han
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Came here to mention this. That book covers most of the events between Empire and Return.
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I love how most of these are justifying how wank the sequels are😂
Yeah, the actual answer to those mysteries is really just "bad writing." But that wouldn't be a very interesting video.
@@frigginjerk it’s more than just bad writing. It’s the change of directors for each movie. The Disney executives looking at stats for profits. Producers with their own agendas. Etc..
@@ladymecha8718 True, none of that helped. Calling it just bad writing doesn't give credit to the many other factors that deserve blame.
@@frigginjerk Though lets not detract from the fact of how bad the writing actually was. I'll give you an example. I felt more for the Bomber pilot girl in episode 8 than I did for most of the rest of the cast.
dude, seriously, just because he didn't say anything about it doesn't mean he didn't recognize him
I never really cared about Luke’s hand but his light saber & how did maze get it in force awakens
What happened to Luke's green lightsaber? Was it burried underneath the ruins of the collapsed jedi temple?
It's simple. They hired hack who made things up as he went along, on the hope that somebody else would figure out a way to get it to make sense later.
@@frigginjerk right? Like trying to explain why the light saber duel on the Death Star was so lame compared to the one on Mustafar?
A good question, for another time. 🙄
8:47 The answer: *S O M E H O W* palpatine's alive
I Still Don't Understand How Darth Maul Was Able To Survive Being CUT IN HALF!
Bruh, he was saved by the fans 🤣😂🤣
"pain and fear make Jedi weaker" Wow, I guess that they have a severe case of Captain Planet syndrome.
Yoda? Why didn't Obi Wan recognize R2 is a better question!
he did. which is why he worded his denial so evasively.
@@kenbrown2808 ok I'll buy that Ken. :)
Sounds logical to me Sir
My headcanon was always that he was pretending not to know r2 since he didn’t want Luke to find out about him
@@tonydub98 he remembered what happened when they told Anakin too much too fast.
The Answer to Why did Yoda recognise R2D2. "When nine hundred years old you make, look this good will you not. He was 880-890 at the end of the prequel trilogy...
For me, the reason it took a year to rescue Han is because Shadows of the Empire should have been cannon. The original extended universe was far, far, for better than anything Disney gave us, especially the prequel books.
Disney Star Wars plays out like bad fan fiction, which it basically is.
No, the EU was a much bigger mess that what we have got now. There have been great stories but there also have been very weak stories and many contradictions. Disney did the right thing by declaring the whole EU not canon. The many problem with the sequel trilogy is that they did not have a complete story for all three movies and every director could do what he wanted. It is interesting that there is hardly any new material for the sequel era. They know that fans hate it, so they concentrate on those eras fans love.
Before you say anything about how great the EU was, please remember that there was no creative control in the early years. The Thrawn-trilogy was written at the same time as the Dark Empire-trilogy but the writers of both trilogies did not communicate with each other and thus both trilogies contradict eachother. And this is just one example from the early years. Although they tried to fix the mistakes they've made, they did not succeed and the mess got bigger and bigger. And the reason is quite simple: they considered every novel and every comic and every computer game canon, even if they contradict each other. How many stories about the Deathstar plan did the EU have? It was possible to save the EU. They simply had to declare which part of it is canon and which is not. But at the time The Clone Wars was broadcast, because with this show every single novel or comics taking place during the clone wars suddenly was not canon anymore. That's the reason that removing the EU from Star Wars canon was a very good thing, because they could start with a blank slate which allowed much more creative freedom and new stories to tell.
Is it just me, or did Star Wars lore get a lot more convoluted and dumb over the past few years? It was already really, really, REALLY convoluted and dumb before, but I feel that it has gotten much more so lately. It's a hard thing to measure, but that doesn't mean that it isn't true.
#8: I always just assumed Vader found out Luke was his son when the Emperor warned him in their conversation in "The Empire Strikes Back". #7: Luke's severed hand drifted all the way to Earth, where it was adopted by a family with the surname "Addams", who named it "Thing"!
Not sure if canon or not but somewhere somewhen I have read that the jeditemple was build above a sith temple which clouded the jedis force ability
All through the question on why Yoda didn't recognize R2D2, the only thing going through my mind was "Seagulls, Stop It Now!"
I never noticed Vader's helmet wobbling before! (3:52)
So Palpatine lied to Anikin about his son being dead and Obi-Wan lied to Luke about his father being dead. No wonder it took them so long to find each other
"from a certain point of view"
Palpatine never said anything about Anakin's children, just his wife
@@TheKyrix82 yes but he told Anakin that Padme had died on Mustafar where he had her in a chokehold and the emperor convinced Anakin that he had killed her then which she was also pregnant. So it’s pretty obvious that the babies had died too so no surprise Vader came to that conclusion.
@@michellereyna8671 He never said she died on Mustafar. Just that in his rage, he killed her. It's entirely possible that she died from some internal injuries off planet, as Vader clearly has no memory of what Anamin did to Padme.
But yes, it does make sense that he thought his child was dead
@@TheKyrix82 okay maybe he didn’t outright say Mustafar, but Vader did know that he had her in a chokehold and that he didn’t kill her because he says smth along the lines of “she’s alive, I felt it” meaning he knew he didn’t choke her long enough to actually kill her.
War of the bounty hunters is a badass read!!✅✅✅
Why does R2 keep so many secrets? He knew who Obi-wan was, who Yoda was, likely knew who Luke was and that Leia was his twin sister. May even have known vader was Anakin if he has put two and two together, which knowing R2, he probably did. Little git told noone anything!
And was the most foul-mouthed character in the whole franchise. They bleeped every word he said in the movies.
Sorry. I couldn't resist the chance for that dad-joke.
Holy crap! R2 is the real sith lord. He was pulling everyones strings, including jar jar and palps. .........that also explains why he chose to wake up when he did. He wasnt asleep/powered down....he was waiting.
R2 and 3PO had their memories erased at the end of Episode III, so they don’t remember any those things.
@@jahmd8377 nope, 3po did, but not r2. (Eh, ok, guess im coming from legends, but not sure whether that part is still canon.)
@@jahmd8377 No, only C-3PO had his memory erased. Bail says "Have the protocol droids mind wiped", R2 still has all his memories.
In "The New Republic" novels written by Timothy Zhan, Luke's hand is used to create a clone, that they called Luuke. This clone is a key element with Mara Jade and her hypnotic command dealt by Palpatine for her to kill Luke, although Palpatine is at that time supposedly dead. As in a combat involving Luke, Luuke and Mara, just when Mara slayed Luuke instead of Luke, the hypnotic command vanished and she regained full control of herself.
I had seriously hoped that the Knights of Ren would be a group of stylistically unique Sith-type warriors. The trickster, the zen master, the tinkerer, the force-focuser (less weapon reliant), etc. The flavour that could have been introduced with that concept is a hell of a missed opportunity.
I never really asked how Vader realized Luke was his son because around the 53 minute mark of ESB Sidious reveals this to Vader.
Vader knew who Luke was at the start of the film, when he told Ozzel to make for the Hoth system.
Nice It reference with him waving the bloody arm lol. Unexpected and hilarious.
Seems like Yoda remembering R2D2 would be like remembering your neighbors Roomba years later.
Or the lawn mower your neighbor finally returned to you after it stopped working.
Thanks for all the explanations. HOWEVER, for those who don't read the books, comics, etc this should all be explained in the films! As someone who has seen the animated series, seen the films, and read a few EU novels, there are still plot holes to understand, so I am glad people like you and other content creators are here to fill us in on the lore. But they do it on purpose so we buy their books, comics, etc. So, thank you again for filling in the blanks
What planet was Starkiller Base? Answer: Ilum, in Jedi Fallen Order, if you decide to return to the planet, there is a huge ring carved out on the planet. Mystery 2: The First Order was gathering strength in the Unknown Regions but Starkiller Base would be near the Core Worlds if it was Ilum.
I love that 3p0’s red arm is straight up an mgs5/hideo kojima reference
Pretty sure the jedi was easily blinded by the dark side because the jedi temple was built over a sith temple
Number 8 has me confused. So did Vader just forget that Luke was his son until the emperor told him in the empire strikes back? The emperor says "I have no doubt this boy is The offspring of Anakin Skywalker" to which Vader replies "how can this be?" Then the emperor says "search your feelings and you will know it to be true"
You can tell that the franchise has jumped the shark when people start magically returning Luke's hand to plots. Thing is, it's made totally clear where his hand went in ESB, when you see it falling away into the clouds after Luke lands on the vane underneath the city. Yep, the hand and the lightsaber it was holding was eventually crushed in the core of Bespin, so it's impossible to find it ever again. Even Lucas was wise enough not to have it pop up again somewhere. Ah well, the franchise has jumped so many sharks by now what's another to go with them!
If you go by the Extended Universe logic the hand got lodged in one of the intake vents for the shaft where Vader retrieved it and stored it on his personal vault thing on some backwater planet. You find this out in the Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy of books.
The Emperor told Vader that Luke was Anakin's son in The Empire Strikes Back. No mystery there.
I recall the novelization of Ster Wars The Empire Strikes Back. In the novel, Luke is seen building himself a new light saber.
Speak for yourself about certain 'mysteries' being decades in the coming. Some of these questions WERE answered by the old EU, which was canon, before it was eliminated.
For instance, Luke's hand and saber was indeed found by Palpatine, who took it to his secret base on Wayland. Years later, the cloned jedi C'baoth found the hand and lightsaber and created a clone Luke to be his apprentice.
Also, the canon Shadows of the Empire multimedia event explained what happened to Han. The heroes chased Boba Fett around for several months, before Boba eventually made it to Jabba's Palace. Also... Jabba didn't need to have an auction for it, since he had already placed a bounty on Han Solo, and Boba Fett, being a bounty hunter, was collecting on it.
The title of the videos states they were explained outside of the films. The vast majority of people will never read the comics or play some of the games so for the majority of people nobody knew about his hand on top of the fact that like you said the old EU was discarded anyway
The c3po arm story arc is a (great) playable story level in Lego Star Wars: The Force Awakens. There was a dlc that added 3 missions set before TFA and that was one of them.
The severed hand being caught and used for a clone also happened in the "Heir to the Empire" novels as well. The third book of the trilogy had issues with some clones of a Jedi, Joruus C'baoth, and of course, a clone of Luke. Yes, those novels are now Legends, so maybe that comic is borrowing the same concept, that someone caught them and was using it for cloning experiments.
5:12 That's the problem with a 'prequel' There's always some plot hole when you make a movie afterwards in real time, but "before" in movie time . At the end of "Temple of Doom" Indiana Jones says " I believe in the power of the stones" yet near the beginning of "Raiders" Indy says to Marcus " I don't believe in any superstitious hocus pocus"
You forgot one of the Knights of Ren, Slapjack.
2 things:
1: Another mystery is: How did Boba Fett make a small appearance in A New Hope, which was before he was invented?
2: Luke’s lightsaber survived a lot more than falling of cloud city. It:
Fell into lava
Stayed hidden on Tatooine for 14 years
A Sith and a Jedi basically played ping pong with it using the force
Almost fell into an abyss
JUST TO GET DESTROYED IN SAND
its not luke's its ANAKIN's lightsaber
The question of what happened to Luke’s hand was already answered via Family Guy: it ended up in the pants of a Cloud City tech.
Imagine getting auctioned off by your ex gf..
Re Han being auctioned: WHAT THE ACTUAL FLYING FUCK?
The explanation for Maz getting Luke’s lightsaber is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
The story of the hand is a Di$Ney retread. In the expunged legend, Vader retrieved the hand and the sabre as trophies for his master. This would be revealed in the Thrawn trilogy (that would have made for much better sequels IMO) when Luke met his clone, Luuke Skywalker who was created from the aforementioned appendage.
Number 1 shows how much more dangerously cunning Palpatine was as he made sure there was so much pain and suffering in the universe that when Order 66 was carried out the Jedi were defenseless
1:07 Two legs is gold!!!!!!!!!!
How did Vader know Luke was his son? Easy-
When Luke enters Leia’s cell on the Death Star he says “I’m Luke Skywalker, I’m here to rescue you…. I’m here with Ben Kenobi…., yada, yada”.
It’s pretty safe to assume they had security cameras and Vader watched the VHS tape and put 2 and 2 together.
I think part of being a good storyteller is knowing when to hand it off to someone who writes good stories.
2:35 Vader and Jabba in another "I'm altering the deal" moment...?
Yoda not recognizing R2-D2? There are hundred thousands of R2 droids in the galaxy and you expect him to recognize him as the droid of Jedi? He hardly had any contact with R2 and they have certainly not been friends. What is actually more surprising is that R2 did not recognize Yoda and tell Luke about him, at the latest, when Yoda was actually in front of them.
IIRC during the "yoda arc" of season 6 of TCW, R2 was the astromech in his ship; a little plot convenience to add a second major character to the story.
What about when Luke and Obi Wan first meet in ANH? why didn't R2 blab about Obi Wan to Luke?
We all knew how Palpatine returned.
Poe told us.
"Somehow"
there was a change in 2004 where they added/removed some stuff
0:10 *Laughs in steve sansweet*
End of Empire Strikes Back, Luke said something about meeting Lando in a rendezvous on Tattooine
Interesting how all the sequel based ones have the same irl answer. Bad writing!
I love the originals but to be fair, they are also pretty bad writing. Needlessly follow a narrow trench for 10 minutes despite the whole length being open to space? Darth Vader being Luke's father AND Leia being retconned into his sister after they made out? Ewoks defeating an entire legion of the Empire's best troops? "What I told you was the truth from a certain point of view"?!?!
@@Firebirdwinters here's the problem, one, death star trench was the best approach due to the lack of guns in it, the deathstar had a stupid amount of firepower, while the trench means low maneuverability, it also means there's not hundreds of guns firing on your approach, darth vader being lukes dad and Leia's dad isn't some ridiculous retcon or anything, he was a powerful force user, and so his children had connections with the force, as for making out, she kissed him one time to piss han off, and Luke acted smug about it that was the kiss, nothing more, and ewoks didn't defeat a legion of the best stormtroopers, they actually got slaughtered, but the 5 minutes they had in there sneak attack was devastating, which for things the suze if an ewok with better physical strength then most non wookies, and it makes plenty of sense
As far as 3POs arm goes you can actually play that level in lego the force awakens on how he lost his arm
4:28 - ummm......his RIGHT hand got cut off. Someone f***ed that up 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I hate that the sequel trilogy never explained details and plot holes and it was left to the comic books writers to do it. The comics were great, but “Somehow palpatine returned” is not an explanation
So you have chosen Disney answers. The old "Legends" Extended Universe had many of these answers, too. I prefer them far more than Disney Wars.
I think the hand is a call back to the old book Dark Empire and his name was Luuke
Knight of Rens also appear in EP V-VI timeline as part of Crimson Dawn
In legends Palpatine did use Luke's missing hand to make a dark side clone of luke
All Astro mechs made the same noises and I’m sure there were other R2 units were made the same color scheme. Yoda in the clone wars had a mission with R2 but I’m sure he has seen so many droids. It’s not as important as the force and no attachment
Disney Star Wars: "Oh we didn't answer that in the film? We created a plot hole? We got a comic for that! Or have here...read a book. After all we can't look like we don't know what we're doing!"
Didn't something similar to 3PO's red arm replacement happen in Fullmetal Alchemist-
If Mace Winddu was so powerful in the force, why didn't he visit Obi-wan or Yoda, and why weren't there a legion of fallen jedi spirits at the end of Return of the Jedi?
I thought Palpatine told Vader in empire abt Luke being the "offspring of Skywalker"
It would have been so cool had they shown more of how Sidious came back in the movies.
The question should be, why didn't Obi-Wan not know who C3P0 and R2 was in a New Hope. He knew them both.
Palpatine returning as a clone is 100% not absurd for Star Wars lore. His force precognition, all of the preparations and contingencies, large scale manipulation, and strength in using the force are very consistent with the character
It’s dumb, and it shouldn’t have been what they went with for the movie, but it is absolutely consistent with Palpatine and entirely plausible for Star Wars. Rey being his daughter/granddaughter is essentially the same thing he did with Anakin. If The Rise of Skywalker had been released as a noncanon book instead, fans would have been going crazy and telling everyone to read it.
It's explicitly stated in Rise of Skywalker that Palpatine is probably a clone. His lair is also full of cloning equipment so you just have to use your eyes.
Yoda was pretending not to be Yoda to test Lukes Patience
Mystery not explained: Why is Lando Calrissian wearing Han Solo's clothing at the last scene of RotJ?
(Obviously Lando didn't have time to pack his clothing when leaving Cloud City & had little to no choice but to borrow Han's, but it's still weird.)
"How does Vader know Luke is his son?" Gee idk maybe because Palpatine literally tells him in the movie
Wow, there's a bunch of morons reading who subscribe to this channel. Vader already knows, dumbass.
@@toddnolastname4485 The video is "10 Star Wars Mysteries Explained Outside the Films". That "mystery" was literally explained in the movie, dumbass.
Edit: I've seen your arguments on other comments and they really suck lmao. Vader sent out the probe droid to find out where the Rebel base is, not only to find Luke. And when he got to Hoth he sensed another Force user which is something that happens with other Force users in other media. He didn't sense his son, he sensed a Jedi. But keep trying to defend the garbage comics bud.
10:58 I just got this from barnes and noble. better read up before watching this lol.
What a smart premise for a video! You did a great job with it. I totally didn’t know that last one! Thanks for compiling these for us!
Yoda doesn't recognize R2D2 for the same reason I've gone to the wrong car in the parking lot. I'm not the only one with that make and model.
The real reason Yoda (and Obi-Wan) didn't recognize R2-D2 is because George Lucas cared more about shoehorning original trilogy characters into the prequels then making the continuity airtight even if it relied on a ridiculous level of coincidences. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Obi-Wan literally calls r2 old freind, next r2 is owned by padme, he gets given to anakin, with c3p0 given to her, then later after padme died, her close freind adopts her child, and takes the droids with him, the droids then serve there new master, which results in them being on the rebels side, with Luke being a jedi he naturally rose high into the ranks, and worked with the droids that his new freind and sister, owned, seems pretty natural and airtight to me