My head canon is that those that stayed behind in the Sol system terraformed mars and all the jovian moons and that there's an equally advanced unknown civilization that we never got to see
Came here to say the same. We struggle with the 3-body problem! Imagine plotting a gravity assist from Georgia/Murphy/Hera/Eris to White Sun/Lux/Persephone/Hades ... no wonder ace pilots were so rare! It can't be particularly stable, either - unless their terraforming included adding "orbital rails" for planets and moons a la Kerbal Space Program ...
@@hawkticus_history_corner, exactly. Maybe these planets were so easy to terraform because they already were, but they just went all “blackrock” after the advanced civilization who terraformed them died out.
There is going to have to be a massive failure of reboots of successful properties for Firefly to make its own comeback, but I do believe it is possible. However, if Joss Whedon isn't involved then I want no part of it.
I didnt realise how many planets were in the verse, alittle annoying that this much world building was done on a series that only had one series and a film
@@Joesolo13 now that Disney owns Fox, maybe (Just maybe) someone at Disney Corporate will realise the potential and fund a new series. Most of the actors would be too old to reprise their roles, unfortunately.
@@RedwoodTheElf Well that depends... For example Wash and Zoey's daughter would be an adult or at least a teenager and thus fully capable of participating, and Nathan Fillion is still doing stunts in The Rookie. Old Man Mal could be at least as compelling as Captain Picard was. Morena Baccarin is still fine as hell. Summer Glau would basically just be a grown woman. We could pop in and see what the world looks like after the alliance's dirty secrets came out.
it's kind of funny according to all current knowledge our solar system is actually incredibly rich and resources. You could mind 10 billion tons of mineral wealth from Mercury for a million years and not deplete 2% of the available resources. Moons like Titan and Europa and semi planets like Ceres could support entire space colonies. Jupiter itself has enough moons that you could make an entire Empire just in that area of space, it's almost like a solar system in of itself. Venus might actually be a better Target for terraforming than Mars but both are quite viable.
Yeah , the idea that they had the means for a mass evacuation but not enough to make a go at colonizing our own system. And the show continues the sci-fi obsession with planets as living spaces, once you have the means to indefinitely support life in space habitats become infinitely more appealing as living spaces than anything with a significant gravity well.
Hey Rick big time fan of your channel you always do great work. I love how you breath life into these old franchises, we love all that you do for the sci fi community and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video.
Holy shit, that's a lot of planets and stars. That all these orbiting suns and protosuns balance each other out is highly unlikely, and how they got all these planets to get just the right amount of sun (look up habitable zone)... Yeah lets just not look into that.
The idea was to create a possible place where significant interplanetary travel could happen without resorting to hyperdrive or warp field concepts. IMHO The Expanse does a better job but Firefly was also trying to be more exotic and not get into Earth politics of today. I wish more stars in perhaps a complex orbital pattern with travel of about 100 astronomical units (the distance from the Earth to the Sun) between star systems would have been used with a high mass neutron star sort of anchoring a globular cluster of Population II stars with habitable planets. That is too much realism though.
Some of them are certainly a stretch, but theoretically with the right technology, you could make planets such as Venus or Mars relatively habitable. For one's too far out, orbital mirrors and intentional greenhouse gas effects. With the opposite on those a little too near to the star. Perhaps geostationary solar Shields of a sort. that being said once we get down to some of the small moons I really don't have any excuses to make.
Aww... now the sadness that we never got more Firefly is even worse than before. The physical groundwork of the Firefly 'Verse is so refreshing and sensible! Instead of placing your fictional universe into a galaxy and just relying on everyone having super powerful and never explained FTL drives that allow travel between the worlds, the creators of Firefly were so sensible to put it into a star cluster! I never realized that before. Now I got even more respect to the creators of Firefly. And to you, Rick, for being able to make a listing of fictional planets and moons entertaining to watch :)
Great video! Thanks!! Wow...I had no idea the complexity of the Verse. I'll have to dig out the RPG and see what it covers. Having 1 show and 1 movie to go on you did an amazing job! Thanks again!!
7:11 Not that unusual I'd say. Whenever you have a planet and another body you call moon, they are orbiting a common center of mass, which is slightly offset from the center of the planet, if the planet is the by far more massive one. The more similar the masses of 'planet' and 'moon' are, the more centered between them is the center of mass. Doesn't sound like something that has to be artificial to me.
this system could kind of work if you made a few adjustments to the layout but you'd have to space the individual stars much further apart and not have any stars sharing the same orbits. The problem is that if you spaced the stars out to a more realistic distance, then travel times between the various sub-systems without faster than light technology, which does not exist in Firefly, would become impractically long.
OOH!!!!OOH!!! do one about the Colony ships and the trip over, also what happened to the home system. is it completely abandoned? are there still people living there?🖖🏽
@@BlackDoveNYC thats some bullshit, if they got there they know were earth was. you need 7 points of reference to navigate through space including the origin point , or your just adrift. that explanation is garbage!.
Two planets orbiting each other wouldn't be that unusual. Think of them as being each others' moons. The only reason it's a Twin Planet is that the two objects have roughly the same mass.
Lets not forget xenos prime seeing as they apparently take place in the same universe, there's apparently a prometheus reference somewhere, i didn't see it someone mentioned it on reddit Postscript: if you're doing firefly can you please do an episode on reavers
The way the system is constructed makes it very unlikely to be stable, especially once humanity starts igniting protostars. But systems with lots of stars do exist, like the Castor system, which has three binary pairs all orbiting around a central point.
Wow, this solar system sounds like something more in line with Science Fantasy (like Star Wars) than Science-Fiction. I'm no Neil Tyson, but I don't think a system with these many planets and stars would be 'stable', possibly throwing some of the planets out of their orbits and into the void. I also had no idea that Earth Tech was advanced enough to Ignite Brown Dwarfs! 0_0 I think I recall in one of the '2001' sequel novels that the 'Monolith Builders' realized that the new star 'Lucifer' (the ignited Jupiter they made) would burn out in only a few thousand years, and so the took it away to parts unknown. Seems like these new suns would do the same thing, so the government should start making plans for that eventuality, if they were smart.
im surprised all these planets are capable of maintaining their orbits let alone supporting life, given you have 7 planets, a star, 4 more planets, another star and then two planets orbiting that third star, this system must have been a terraforming nightmare, adding the two outside suns and their planets, im amazed this system hasn't just ripped itself to pieces.
I thought the Border Worlds were settled by other countries, and that the Unification War was about uniting them? Not the the border worlds separating.
@@DrewLSsix that doesn't make sense even within a cluster you could have massive distances that could take months or even years to traverse even with relativistic drives that achieve could achieve small fractions of c. Plus also have to take into consideration that effects of time dilation aren't being taken into account in these stories.
The mechanics and environment should not work. Perhaps someone can build this in the universe sandbox simulator. It is more likely that the plans would be flying all over the place from all the gravitational forces.
@@jasonskeans3327 so they somehow managed to get everyone on earth and the solar system to leave it also I am sure if they managed to develop the technology to terraform but not recycling surely that would of alleviated the problem to a extent for those who wanted to remain or remained on earth. Also couldn't they send resources to earth.
@@andrewwilliams7390 they had enough for some generation ships and the system didn't have enough to keep a civilization going and earth was dying even with terraforming/recycling
@@jasonskeans3327 so mass genocide then. Even without recycling surely they could of mined the cores of the planets and moons. This show has a lot of plot holes is no wonder they ended it. It may be a good show all together but they placed to many plot holes.
for a very good star trek/firefly 'verse cross over check out this exceptional fanfiction: www.fanfiction.net/s/4603570/1/Lost-In-The-Woods i've read it multiple times and it is awesome.
My head canon is that those that stayed behind in the Sol system terraformed mars and all the jovian moons and that there's an equally advanced unknown civilization that we never got to see
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This looks like a orbital mechanics nightmare. jesus.
Cuzz fuck physics.
Came here to say the same. We struggle with the 3-body problem! Imagine plotting a gravity assist from Georgia/Murphy/Hera/Eris to White Sun/Lux/Persephone/Hades ... no wonder ace pilots were so rare!
It can't be particularly stable, either - unless their terraforming included adding "orbital rails" for planets and moons a la Kerbal Space Program ...
@@cosmogoblin Its entirely possible that the whole system is artificial in the first place and humans just got lucky
@@hawkticus_history_corner, exactly. Maybe these planets were so easy to terraform because they already were, but they just went all “blackrock” after the advanced civilization who terraformed them died out.
I’m pretending it’s 10-20 star systems. Being three is… a recipe for death.
The hopeful part of my brain
“It could come back”
The rational part of my brain
“It’s not going to happen”
If it does comeback it would have to be a jump into a future with a new cast IMO, a Firefly TNG.
There is going to have to be a massive failure of reboots of successful properties for Firefly to make its own comeback, but I do believe it is possible. However, if Joss Whedon isn't involved then I want no part of it.
If it does come back it should be during the war.
But if it did come back Disney would butcher it completely.
I didnt realise how many planets were in the verse, alittle annoying that this much world building was done on a series that only had one series and a film
Now you know why us browncoats have been complainin for so long.
Fox went and did us real dirty
@@Joesolo13 now that Disney owns Fox, maybe (Just maybe) someone at Disney Corporate will realise the potential and fund a new series. Most of the actors would be too old to reprise their roles, unfortunately.
@@RedwoodTheElf Well that depends... For example Wash and Zoey's daughter would be an adult or at least a teenager and thus fully capable of participating, and Nathan Fillion is still doing stunts in The Rookie. Old Man Mal could be at least as compelling as Captain Picard was. Morena Baccarin is still fine as hell. Summer Glau would basically just be a grown woman. We could pop in and see what the world looks like after the alliance's dirty secrets came out.
We need more firefly it has so much potential
Let’s not forget the fate of Shadow, founding planet of the Independants and nuked to oblivion for its defiance
Also Malcolm Reynold's Homeworld.
@@davidkelly4210 Yes! I was kinda bummed when it wasn't mentioned in the video.
@@davidkelly4210 Glad I didn't have to go far to see someone pointing this out.
it's kind of funny according to all current knowledge our solar system is actually incredibly rich and resources. You could mind 10 billion tons of mineral wealth from Mercury for a million years and not deplete 2% of the available resources. Moons like Titan and Europa and semi planets like Ceres could support entire space colonies. Jupiter itself has enough moons that you could make an entire Empire just in that area of space, it's almost like a solar system in of itself.
Venus might actually be a better Target for terraforming than Mars but both are quite viable.
Yeah , the idea that they had the means for a mass evacuation but not enough to make a go at colonizing our own system. And the show continues the sci-fi obsession with planets as living spaces, once you have the means to indefinitely support life in space habitats become infinitely more appealing as living spaces than anything with a significant gravity well.
Hey Rick big time fan of your channel you always do great work. I love how you breath life into these old franchises, we love all that you do for the sci fi community and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video.
Is there a world called "Suspension", with it's moons "OF" and "Disbelief"?
Well, in your own fiction. It could exist!
Canonically not, but it actually wouldn't surprise me if there were.
These are a lot of worlds. This is really interesting
A new series that is the dream of us brown coats
gotta keep it shiny bro.
A GOOD and faithful (To both intent and spirit) continuation and maybe a few other spin-offs was and is the dream.....Doesn't look good for either.
Holy shit, that's a lot of planets and stars.
That all these orbiting suns and protosuns balance each other out is highly unlikely, and how they got all these planets to get just the right amount of sun (look up habitable zone)... Yeah lets just not look into that.
Yea, best not to think about it too much.
The idea was to create a possible place where significant interplanetary travel could happen without resorting to hyperdrive or warp field concepts.
IMHO The Expanse does a better job but Firefly was also trying to be more exotic and not get into Earth politics of today.
I wish more stars in perhaps a complex orbital pattern with travel of about 100 astronomical units (the distance from the Earth to the Sun) between star systems would have been used with a high mass neutron star sort of anchoring a globular cluster of Population II stars with habitable planets. That is too much realism though.
I’d dare say it was almost artificially constructed.
Some of them are certainly a stretch, but theoretically with the right technology, you could make planets such as Venus or Mars relatively habitable. For one's too far out, orbital mirrors and intentional greenhouse gas effects. With the opposite on those a little too near to the star. Perhaps geostationary solar Shields of a sort.
that being said once we get down to some of the small moons I really don't have any excuses to make.
I think Sci Show had an episode on the 'verse
Aww... now the sadness that we never got more Firefly is even worse than before. The physical groundwork of the Firefly 'Verse is so refreshing and sensible! Instead of placing your fictional universe into a galaxy and just relying on everyone having super powerful and never explained FTL drives that allow travel between the worlds, the creators of Firefly were so sensible to put it into a star cluster! I never realized that before. Now I got even more respect to the creators of Firefly. And to you, Rick, for being able to make a listing of fictional planets and moons entertaining to watch :)
Very nice. A VERY convoluted multi planetary system/cluster!
Interestingly there's a good chance that there are systems like this or even bigger out there.
@@no2party Yeah, WHO knows?
Yes more WE want more need more
Great video! Thanks!! Wow...I had no idea the complexity of the Verse. I'll have to dig out the RPG and see what it covers. Having 1 show and 1 movie to go on you did an amazing job! Thanks again!!
7:11 Not that unusual I'd say. Whenever you have a planet and another body you call moon, they are orbiting a common center of mass, which is slightly offset from the center of the planet, if the planet is the by far more massive one. The more similar the masses of 'planet' and 'moon' are, the more centered between them is the center of mass. Doesn't sound like something that has to be artificial to me.
this system could kind of work if you made a few adjustments to the layout but you'd have to space the individual stars much further apart and not have any stars sharing the same orbits. The problem is that if you spaced the stars out to a more realistic distance, then travel times between the various sub-systems without faster than light technology, which does not exist in Firefly, would become impractically long.
Like if all the planets are earth-shaped in Firefly, then it would take 9 months between planets to travel.
Long live the brown coats..stay shiny
This answers many questions, thanks !!
LOVED This video series...Firefly is one of my favorite Sci-fi shows along with the movie...Serenity!!! Thanks for making them!!!
OOH!!!!OOH!!! do one about the Colony ships and the trip over, also what happened to the home system. is it completely abandoned? are there still people living there?🖖🏽
No communications available as I remember. Earth is just too far away.
@AnonEyeMouse
My understanding is that Earth was abandoned and lost to history. People don’t even know where it is.
@@AnonEyeMouse i never said "communication" did I. that has nothing to do with my question does it!
@@BlackDoveNYC thats some bullshit, if they got there they know were earth was. you need 7 points of reference to navigate through space including the origin point , or your just adrift. that explanation is garbage!.
I always read that it was less of a Star Cluster, and more of a Trinary Star Sytem.
If it wasn't a cluster *before* humans arrived, helioforming some of the gas giants into protostars has made it so.
YAY!
Thankies for this video! 😁💙😁💙😁
Two planets orbiting each other wouldn't be that unusual. Think of them as being each others' moons. The only reason it's a Twin Planet is that the two objects have roughly the same mass.
Wow, all those planets sustained life huh? That’s one hell of a Goldie locks zone........
Lets not forget xenos prime seeing as they apparently take place in the same universe, there's apparently a prometheus reference somewhere, i didn't see it someone mentioned it on reddit
Postscript: if you're doing firefly can you please do an episode on reavers
Who knew?
I'd say you're just making this up, except that no one could make this up so it must be real. I can't wait to visit.
Shiny... Lets be bad guys.
The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.
@@spunkmire2664 see... morbid and creepifying, I got no trouble with... long as she does it quiet like.
Shit, let's be Browncoats!
Joss Whedon wrote Titan AE in which the hero named the new Earth "Bob".
You didn't visually label any of the moons orbiting Ariel (4:55).
That system has a lot of terrestrial planets!
Don't forget the fruity oaty bar planet ... ... ... Miranda ;)
I still want to see this movie: xkcd.com/311/
The planet they were on was Belmont.
@@Janoha17 But it started the Miranda storyline (sort of) and the epic River Tam scene ;) ... I miss firefly.
Miranda's a rock. Nothing can survive there.
Wasn't Shadow also notable for being the birth planet of Captain Malcolm Reynolds? Wasn't it also rendered a dead world ("Black Rock") or some such?
Never knew it was so huge with like 4 sun's
A new series is coming to Disney plus, hope they do it right.
Can't wait for part 2
love this
So the ''Goldilocks'' restriction does not apply to the 'Verse of Firefly?
The way the system is constructed makes it very unlikely to be stable, especially once humanity starts igniting protostars.
But systems with lots of stars do exist, like the Castor system, which has three binary pairs all orbiting around a central point.
'Verse? ... I'm an idiot I just got that
Well, that would certainly explain the lack of FTL in the 'verse.
I wonder if the moon Bob was a reference to the planet Bob from the movie Titan A.E.
Wow, this solar system sounds like something more in line with Science Fantasy (like Star Wars) than Science-Fiction.
I'm no Neil Tyson, but I don't think a system with these many planets and stars would be 'stable', possibly throwing some of the planets out of their orbits and into the void.
I also had no idea that Earth Tech was advanced enough to Ignite Brown Dwarfs! 0_0
I think I recall in one of the '2001' sequel novels that the 'Monolith Builders' realized that the new star 'Lucifer' (the ignited Jupiter they made) would burn out in only a few thousand years, and so the took it away to parts unknown. Seems like these new suns would do the same thing, so the government should start making plans for that eventuality, if they were smart.
Chup Smith i think most of the planets were caught in this system ...
How many humans are there 500 years from now that they need 50+be worlds?!
Life extension what technology should come birth control.
Long live Bob!
You can't just name a planet... A moon Bob.
would that make the residents of that planet Bobbits?
@@CathrineMacNiel ,hey if your the first person to find it , you can call what the hell you wanna, personally I like it. lol.
@@CathrineMacNiel So now you're the boss. You're the King of Bob.
@@westrim can't we just name it, earth?
I do love your videos.
im surprised all these planets are capable of maintaining their orbits let alone supporting life, given you have 7 planets, a star, 4 more planets, another star and then two planets orbiting that third star, this system must have been a terraforming nightmare, adding the two outside suns and their planets, im amazed this system hasn't just ripped itself to pieces.
I thought the Border Worlds were settled by other countries, and that the Unification War was about uniting them? Not the the border worlds separating.
Do a Cybermen cultural index.
I thought the firefly universe was supposed to have ships with ftl drives?
Nope.
@@DrewLSsix that doesn't make sense even within a cluster you could have massive distances that could take months or even years to traverse even with relativistic drives that achieve could achieve small fractions of c. Plus also have to take into consideration that effects of time dilation aren't being taken into account in these stories.
What about Miranda?
The mechanics and environment should not work. Perhaps someone can build this in the universe sandbox simulator. It is more likely that the plans would be flying all over the place from all the gravitational forces.
Ok so now it makes since
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What happened to Earth and everything within it's system.
Earth got used up and the other planits were to resource poor
@@jasonskeans3327 so they somehow managed to get everyone on earth and the solar system to leave it also I am sure if they managed to develop the technology to terraform but not recycling surely that would of alleviated the problem to a extent for those who wanted to remain or remained on earth. Also couldn't they send resources to earth.
@@andrewwilliams7390 they had enough for some generation ships and the system didn't have enough to keep a civilization going and earth was dying even with terraforming/recycling
@@jasonskeans3327 so mass genocide then. Even without recycling surely they could of mined the cores of the planets and moons. This show has a lot of plot holes is no wonder they ended it. It may be a good show all together but they placed to many plot holes.
How do they orbit ?????!?!?!?!
Very nicely, thank you.
@@AnonEyeMouse 😂
with great complexity and care
Firefly !!!!!!!!!
for a very good star trek/firefly 'verse cross over check out this exceptional fanfiction: www.fanfiction.net/s/4603570/1/Lost-In-The-Woods i've read it multiple times and it is awesome.
Call me mean, but the Firefly 'universe' sounds like a clusterfuck.
Maybe that's exactly what sci-fi TV needs right now.
Jason Chappel All sci-fi universes are inevitably cluster fucks. No exceptions.
I juste thont khow how a solar système can hold on whit 2 sun lol is all gone finish in a big croche !!!
Nope, many many solar systems are known to have 2 or even 3 suns.
Yes !! in its center not in place of Jupiter !!!
Alliance can not take all the skies from the people.
The Alliance are the real good guys.
A moon called Bob 😂😂😂.
Firefly Online, it still makes me angry.
Not the best planet names for some of these lmao.
Worst names for planets ever
hey most of their Names are better than Kepler-24 or HD 209458 B.
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None of this makes any sense whatsoever. No wonder the show was canceled.