Sh*t Show Podcast: All The Money In The World (2017)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Releasing a movie with a creep is hard. Let’s talk about how difficult it was to make All The Money In The World, from reshooting every scene Kevin Spacey was in to kickstarting the debate about the gender pay gap in Hollywood.
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In the entertainment world, there are millions of dollars on the line and troubled productions are bound to happen. And we are going to talk about these disastrous, never ending, and sometimes dangerous productions. From the creators of WTF Happened To This Movie?, It Was A Sh*t Show is a video essay/documentary/podcast series looking at some of your favorite films and tv shows, and why they were such a nightmare to make.
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Featured Footage:
American Beauty (1999)
Deadpool (2016)
Face/Off (1997)
Knives Out (2019)
Seven (1995)
The Usual Suspects (1995)
Music:
Ryan Hudson - Sh*t Show Theme
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Dude... I'm just a pipefitter and when I travel out of state to work I get a higher per diem than that. That shit is insane
RIP Christopher Plummer.
I remember him from Inside Man 👌👌
Mark Wahlberg and Jennifer Lopez are better examples of Hollywood peers for salary comparison. They're both mid-to-upper level movie stars who've had hits and misses. Both command about $9-10 million a movie. Both produce their own movies and their names being attached to a movie will get the project greenlighted by a studio. Michelle Williams, while being a much better actress than JLo, doesn't get paid what JLo does and it isn't about gender. Reese Witherspoon, Sandra Bullock, Julia Roberts, and Meryl Streep also all command way more money than Wahlberg because the business is based on box office ROI.
Maybe Mark Wahlberg has a better agent.
I was thinking she needs to fire her agent.
I love the advice about how men can be allies to women. When I negotiated one of my jobs, my husband reminded me of an article about inequality in my type of workplace between men and women’s pay. He encouraged me to not only break this cycle for myself but tell other women we were hiring to break the cycle as well. His encouragement helped me be strong in those negotiations and remember to encourage other women over the years as I was part of the hiring process. We need male allies who speak up and encourage to change things and women who talk about these things openly.
I saw this in theaters for two reasons: the press around it and Movie Pass. It was just okay for me. Michelle Williams always deserves more for everything.
That difference in pay isnt insane, as was said multiple times she requested to not get paid for reshoots, her union agreement likely mandated she at least get the bare minimum perdiem. And she recieved it so it makes sense its so low. Your comparison based on gender and or skill is nonsensical.
27:40 Lowest Per Diem? The Marine Corps says, “Hold my beer”. Lol
if rae’s greeting is the couch gag then clints closet is the guest star
in a world where christopher plummer has been hired to digitally replace every problematic actor, in baby driver he replaces both kevin spacey and ansel elgort. next hopefully he can digitally replace marky mark in every role he’s ever been in. imagine christopher plummer is transformers 4 and invincible. classic
definitely worth it. stamp of worth it.
so glad to hear that Ian has returned!! even if his mic is still a bit quiet
Analyzing the "pay gap" in Hollywood without a truthful discussion of how a specific movie actually got packaged and sold to studios to get made is just silly. There's usually a real reason why one person gets one salary vs. another. Who's box office name helped initially sell the movie. If its Sandra Bullock... damn straight everything is built around her (co-star Ryan Reynolds didn't get close to the $56 Million she got for The Proposal). "Nominations", "awards", and "screen time" doesn't mean anything.
RE the comments about the men's soccer team making more money than the women's - how many people do you think are watching women's soccer as opposed to men's?
The pay discrepancy is because Wahlberg is a revenue basis and Williams is a cost basis. It’s not about gender, politics, or discrimination, it’s about money. Someone like Julia Roberts or Angelina Jolie is also a revenue basis and would be paid much more than Williams. I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand.
Because people are going on pure emotion, gender politics, and a basic misunderstanding of business principles and how movies get packaged and produced.
Great point. I’m male and work in IT as an exec director. My org’s president is a black female, very qualified and excellent. She is the highest paid pres in our org’s history. She advocated for herself and got it. Am I mad that she is paid about $200K more than me? No. That’s how life goes. How many working actors would LOVE to make $600K for a movie. Choose blockbusters and action movies and Williams would make more. Choose dramas and smaller(ish) movies and that’s what you get. No shade to Williams, she’s great, but life is choices. Call out discrepancies when it’s apples to apples, but not apples to oranges.
Anyone mildly interested in the story of "All the Money in the World"- do yourself a favor and watch "Trust" the series. It's better in almost every way, and of course, give needed depth to the story and characters.
The person who waived her fee, didn't get a fee. Shocking.
Christopher Plummer rip incredible filmography
My per diem is 130 a day. Wow
And that’s the real reason why this screenplay was on the black list, because it wouldn’t make money. You may get some Oscars but that’s it.
re: @approx 37 minutes, where you put your money where your mouth is: BRAVO! You all rule.
Michelle Williams is right and I'm glad they were able to salvage the movie. It would've sucked to have all the hard work of the cast and especially the crew undermined by the actions of one jerk.
Equal pay for equal work just makes sense. Hoping there's more equity in pay in Hollywood and that more male actors are pushing to make sure their non-male costars are getting paid the same as they are (and not just having the studios do some b.s. where they pay everyone less)
I was hoping the spacey footage would have been released on the bluray. Nope.
I hope it gets released someday.
Just wondering if you guys are doing Star Trek 5 sometime?
Saw this in theaters as someone fascinated by J. Paul Getty. With or without Spacey, the movie is a shit show. Not a good film. Replacing Spacey was an attempt to sell tickets to a bad movie and had nothing to do with caring about Spacey’s actions.
I’m having fun trying to listen for Rae’s very subtle edits
Don’t get them confused with my blatant ones.
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I love how every time pay desperately is discussed on talk shows, talk radio, podcasts, print media and pop culture outlets anywhere, including this very pod too, it's discussed at the most surface level possible without ever actually discussing the real reason behind the economics and reality of salary and determination of amount to whom and why and how it's arrived at a certain number and bottom line. Why ask the real question why this is or prove no deeper than the shallow talking points of the day and what fits the trending warped outrage narrative at that hour and misplaced political agenda propaganda being perpetrated in any given moment. Why be a descending voice of reason with, M.Nigjt Shamalan twist: the facts and truth of the matter. And what might that be? Y'all arent going to like the answer. Because it doesn't fit your sexy conspiracies and propaganda and personal crusades we've all been groomed into believing and ignoring all evidence to the contrary that contradicts the manipulation and lies of media, advertising, shill merchants, social media snake oil salesmen, etc.
The simple truth is, for once, the discrepancy of pay isn't a matter of sexism or inequality, but actually the purest matrix system of all: basic math and economics. Any business or economics major can explain how this works and Hollywood is the easiest business model to explain it with.
Pure and simple: it's show business. Not show art, not show friends, not show political agenda, not show social justice causes de jour,; it's show business. Business first and foremost. Don't confuse the fact that it's also an art form for the fact it's commerce and investment to make and maximize the greatest potential for the most profit on said investment. So, a studio wants the biggest properties with the most box office potential which gets the most bitts in seats and repeat business. Small art films don't do this thus don't cut it. You need what will be the most risk adversed, crowd pleasing potential movie project to put millions of dollars investment into that'll pay back generously on that investment when that property, the movie, is released. If it's the latest MCU, everybody wants to invest in those properties because they make all the money right now. You know what doesn't? Art films. Those are passion projects for people with the most clout from, what? Making blockbusters and tons of money for their studios and investors so they get to do labor of love projects, as tax write offs mostly do they can be self indulgent artists, as opposed to doing a play. No artists actually puts theirbown money on the line. They want the studio to take all the risks and still get their up front salary despite an art films dismal box office potential.
Everyone hates this next part even though they understand the first. Actors kind of decide what kind of career they're going to have. Sean Penn decided art films, thus he makes sometimes just the guild minimum on salary and makes his money in tons of other business ventures to enable his poor box office potential art films getting financed and made a d maintaining his artistic integrity by not appearing in Michael Bay robot movies or the latest soulless CGI monstrosity in some summer tent poler. But, he understands the sacrifice and the importance of side Hussle and this isn't pay disparity that he makes Hollywood minimum wage basically while Tom Cruise makes $20 million plus a percentage of the profits. Why is this? Because Tom decided long ago the importance of doing blockbusters to maintain weight and clout in the industry because he is a box office draw and brings in audiences with his movies. He has a proven track record for over thirty years. All Hollywood business models should be built around this example. Tom used to do these gigantic blockbusters, than a small art film, then blockbuster. A one for you, one for me mentality. But, he shifted to just big productions to ensure his power and ranking, his standing and sway in LA la land so he can make the projects he wants without studio interference. Jennifer Lawrence was a huge box office draw circa ten year stretch in the $20 million club. She had the X-Men franchise and Hunger games films too thatvenabled her to do her juicy acting role parts in prestigious dramas and played the game perfectly. She understood the economics of her trade and mastered it. The time on top as a movie star is brief. Tastes and times are fickle and change. But economics have the same analytics: profit, risk adversed, safest bet, biggest potential moneymaker. Scarlet Johansson's Black Window role enabled her to command a millions dollar guaranteed salary and still do her artsy no profit making acting ventures. She's a good business woman. Art and commerce. There has to be a balance. If you just do art films, guess what, your box office stock nose dives because your films don't get seen and when they do, they aren't feel good movies like Sumner blockbusters. Therefore, you don't get too dollar salary. Every actor knows and gets thus. Jessica Castain is disingenuous with her salary comments and she got called out for it. She was doing little gritty parts in indie movies. She had no visible high profile outside of magazine covers do she finally pursuing MCU and action parts so she can raise her box office worth with audience and get a payday. That's the way it works and the way it should be. Whoever brings in audiences I'd the draw gets the monetary rewards. Michelle Williams finally figured this out and put herself in the Venum movies. She should've done this years ago. She lost a lot of studios money to do her years of what amounts to student films on million dollar budgets letting the invest , take the loss and never give them one back by being in something mainstream and profitable. That's selfish, wrong and ignorant to to behave that way and all the studios would crumble if they let every actor get pay rates their potential popularity can't sustain or justify.
Mark Wahlberg and The Rock make a lot of big stupid recyclae mi dleds trivial unmemorable cinematic disposable entertainment. But, they also bring in tons of all the cash thus they more than justify their salarues. They have built in fan bases by the kazillions the world over and are printing press to print money. All the money in the world brought in Mark Wahlberg so that all these artsy indie actors and a non commercial film subject could get made by having his presence in the movie to appeal to investors domestic and foreign. The truth is without Marky Mark as you like to mock, the movies doesn't get green lit and made without him and his clout. He did the production a favor. He was generous to have done them this solid. And then reshgots for free plus his time which is valuable keeping him from a real money making project. Then gets thrown under the bus in the press for all his troubles. He donated his entire salary to pat Michelle Williams and rest of the female cast. Never bitched, never complained. Only to be mocked. Awesome. The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions and film snobs on podcasts. Good hot take guys. Keep up the stellar work and critical thought analytics. 🤙
Its not equal pay because its not equal work. Mark Wahlberg was the first star to be attached in this project. His involvement helped get the project greenlighted and the budget invested to make the movie. Because the other movies he's starred in have grossed over $5 billion worldwide. That's why he gets cast approval and the big pay. Williams is a very talented actress who took the role after Natalie Portman was first being considered. If there's anyone at fault here, its Williams' agent for not getting more for his client; also she shouldn't have refused more pay for reshoots that were entirely Kevin Spacey's fault.
I love this show. But the level of social justice here is out it control. You guys spent too much time attacking Kevin S when he was actually not guilty. You are encouraging the punishment by social media of people who have not even had a fair trial. Stop acting that way and focus on the show
“If you don’t agree with us, unsubscribe F off” then immediately after “Be nice to everyone”
What the hell?! And what does wearing a mask have to do with that?I like this show but when they get into social/political issues then get on their high horses really quick.