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I have owned three MacBook Pros since 2007. I am very happy with my most recent machine, a 15 Inch 2015 model. I have seen various reviews and comments from other RUclipsrs who have mentioned the same issues as this video highlights. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the new 16Inch MacBook Pro lives up to the hype. As for video creation/editing , I use iMovie myself and I am very happy with this.
@@bibletwink666 Exactly. I considered the new surface book and surface laptop, mainly because i liked the 3:2 aspect ratio which is very similar to mac's 16:10. Turns out the surface book has a major hardware issue with cracking screens because the design makes the glass at the top of the screen touch the base when closed. Just check out the reviews for these surface devices on microsoft's own website, full of broken screens and other issues and these devices sadly cost just as much as the macbooks they compete with. If Dell ever makes an XPS model with a 3:2 or 16:10 aspect ratio I would certainly consider it but all the pc laptop makers stick to 16:9 :(
@@DKprojects9 them having bad reviews on their own website. Exactly! I looked at the surface pro 6 on their website and it had quite an amount of bad reviews. On their own website.
Agree. That's why with the most basic of all problems the keyboard, it isn't worth paying so much for MBP. Its asking price isn't justifiable. I would build a hackintosh.
Hollywood dumped final cut years ago when apple dumped Final Cut server and no loner manufacturers or supports server infastructure. Avid media Composer has the largest marketshare for professional video editors, followed by Adobe Premier.
@@lakorai2 As a Windows user, I'm curious what other video editing program offers background rendering? I'm no Apple fan, but that's why many are, when it comes to Final Cut.
@@narwhal4304 Adobe Media Encoder and Resolbe both support background rendering with GPU accelleration (nVidia CUDA etc). Premier hands off the workload to Media Encoder. AVID and Adobe can push jobs to a rendering server or farm, something that Final Cut used to aupport but dumped when they went to Final Cut X.
It's the last MacBook that Apple made which was worth buying before they started caring more about the design than functionality (aka the new keyboard design and removing all the ports). My 2015 model is i7, 16GB ram and 1TB of storage and it runs better than all the new models out there. I'll never buy a new model because it just doesn't make any sense.
Ha, Thinkpads of today SUCK. I've had 3 X1 Carbons. My first two had poor build quality and battery problems. Lenovo sent me a replacement. Screen was warped. Sent it back. The 3rd one had overheating issues, drains battery on basic tasks and fans are way too noisy. Also had a problem with the "T" key not registering. Brand new Thinkpads , JUNK. A friend of mine has an X1 Extreme. He hates it but can't return it since he's past his return period. Don't get me started how horrible Lenovo's customer service is. Worse computer, worse customer service.
@@v5000a Thinkpads are junk now. IBM Thinkpads were good. Lenovo's Thinkpads with their horrible customer service is something everyone should stay away from. Quit the darkside and bought a 2018 MacBook Pro. Love it. Sorry it took me this long to switch.
As a data scientist, I switched from MBP to Thinkpad T480 running Windows a month ago and could not be happier. Finally got out of the abyss of horrible stucky keyboard and dongle city, I appreciate the dedicated Nvidia card, upgradability, great keyboard and touchpad, and all the ports while remain pretty portable in today’s premium Windows machines. Thought I cannot move away from MacOS but I find myself even more comfortable with Windows than MacOS. Anyone tempts to do it, just do it now. It feels good to get rid of MBP from your life.
Anyone going from macos to windows would disagree with u. Glad u happy. U r probably the exeption confirming the rule. I have had macbook air and mbp 15 2015. I use windows for gaming, and oh boy have i had problems with windows. Took 2 days to install it. Laggy, blue screens, advertizing everywhere. Bloatware. Proffesional. Sure. I would never use windows for 3d work, web development, drawing, coding, app development etc. Windows is for teenagers, gamers and technicians. Not creatives. Reability surpasses all. Try working on a computer that wont even boot up, that freeze or bluescreens just opening software. Wifi wouldnt even work with windows 10...
@@NGameReviews oh yes it does. If u buy parts, especially amd ryzen motherboards which i did 2016 u in a world of hurt... windows might work ok on pre installed laptops - not so great when building mobos out which must be thousands of unproven combinations... i fi ally solved even installing it after watching forums and videos with 100 of thousands of views. I am not alone.
Apple please hold this L, I swear people who buy macbooks always say "I cant wait for the next, better macbook" like that's ever gonna come, they even prove it themselves by getting the "next, better macbook", then immediately say the same thing and repeat this loop of overall: bad products
The 2016-... models are prone to problems, the 2012-2015 ones didn't had that many issues in the past. Please don't think Apple is alone in that race, ALL the laptop companies have had problems recently (Dell with coil whine, Lenovo with BIOS, ...)
If you think that’s bad, I feel sorry for lots of surface pro owners. They went through far worse shit until the surface pro 5, and even that had freezing lock screen and pen jitters. Yet lots of of them kept buying the next version. Maybe there was lots about it to love it. Just like the macs. And now your mind is blown.
one of those future macbook pros is gonna be so great that the keyboard actually works! and then they'll make a johnny-ive style video about it to have the i-(whatever we are supposed to call them if we are not allowed to call them certain names on this page) drooling.
Not only this keyboard is unreliable, when it works, it’s the worst typing experience! And after 3 years of owning one, I still dislike it as much as I did in day one.
OH! THAT TEAM UP! WOO! Also, I agree 100% with your assessment. I love using a Mac, but my first gen touchboar has been so frustrating for me. It makes me want to just get an iMac Pro or the updated Mac Pro, whenever that comes, instead of another Macbook pro.
I gave up on Macs maybe five or six years ago. To be clear, I'm not a professional, and I'm not here to tell anyone that they're "wrong" for still liking or enjoying Apple products: if Mac and iPhone still works for you, that's awesome. I honestly miss a lot of things about Mac, but all of the little annoyances and difficulties just built up for me to the point where I ditched the ecosystem and went back to Windows. Apple's simple and efficient design aesthetic used to be the gold standard of computers (especially laptops), but at least for me, they've really lost sight of that standard. They still make beautiful devices from design standpoint, and they're still brilliantly functional, but there are so many little drawbacks, bugs, and compromises now that it's just not worth it to me to shell out for a MacBook Pro every few years when I can just build a high-end desktop PC and buy a cheap Windows laptop to do all the other stuff I need to be able to do on the go. And again, to be clear, I am not a professional, I don't use my desktop or laptop for video editing, at most I do a bit of hobbyist-level music production. So I understand that someone tied into Final Cut would find it very hard to cut the cord. Anyway. I'm rambling, but, yeah, I share your sentiment. If I felt I could RELY on the MacBook Pro the way I used to, I'd go back to it. It's just not for me anymore.
I've been using Macs professionally for nearly two decades now, for video, photo, graphic design, and audio production. I still have to use Macs at work, because it's what we have there. But, Apple has massively declined in quality and reliability for their devices, and the OS that runs them. And so I now only buy Windows devices; they are cheaper, more powerful, and just as reliable. It used to be that people ran Macs because 'it just works', but that statement is just not true anymore. And not only that, but many of their really brilliant creative professional products have either been downgraded or discontinued. Why buy an unreliable Mac for FCPX, when you can instead use Resolve, Avid, or Vegas? Better yet, most professionals have Adobe CC anyways, so just use Premiere (which is much better). Sketch? Use XD, which is free.
Can't help but notice such better quality of content and flow of information on your videos Mr. Mobile. Please continue doing what you're doing. A fan.
Michael. I really appreciate your original take on reviews. I can't quite put it into words but your personality comes through and it makes the material interesting. Just wanted to leave a word of commendation, I don't usually post these. Please keep up the good work.
I have a late 2016 macbook pro, and I'm REALLY hope this years update will fix a lot of these problems since I was planning on upgrading. The touchbar is useless and the keyboard had to be replaced for me, which was a huge hassle when I was traveling.As I said..... fingers crossed for the new model. Since I still very much prefer to work on this machine compared to Windows, including a few exclusive programs to Mac OS I use. The workflow are just way quicker on Mac OS.
Yeah good luck with that. I was in the same spot with my MBP 2011, it was great and I didn't want to buy the new MBP 2018 for the reasons described in this video. Unfortunately planned obsolescence is forcing me to pull the trigger, my MBP can't even run MATLAB anymore (despite being way more powerful than it should need to) and for an engineer that's a deal-breaker. It's a love-hate relationship with Apple but there's nothing we can do about it.
I upgraded and got the 2018 13” MBP and I haven’t experience any of these problems with the keyboard or Touch Bar. I’m a writer and use my MBP about 8-10 hours a day and besides the keyboard getting some time to get used to, I’m really happy with it.
Can I just say something here?.....I watch all the videos created by the big boys in tech (MKBHD, Dave2D, Rene, etc).....but I gotta say, of them all....I really enjoy your format the most. The edits, the concise reporting, the quippy quips. A sincere thank you for all of the hard work you put into it all and for making my RUclips viewing experience that much better. 🤙🏼 #NeedMacbookProRedesignNOW
I don't think I've ever bought from a sponsor link before, but here I am with a 2014 15" MBP that I'm biding out this chassis generation with for all of the reasons in this very video, and I need exactly that lol
I have a Sony Vaio from 2013 that's still going strong, in spite of the obsolete hardware. One reason for that is the astonishing build quality. I'm sure it can last another four years if I take good care of it. That being said, I don't understand how a premium product like Apple Macbook can pass the production line with problems like thermal throttling and fragile keyboard, things you have to put up with daily. Oh well, wish I could buy a Sony laptop now, but competition like Apple drove them out of business.
I currently rock a 2018 pro but CONSTANTLY find myself reverting back to my 2012 retina out of comfort and convenience. I love my 2018 one for what it could be, but the 2012 just seems like the better of the two, especially considering how well it’s aged and hasn’t slowed down one bit.
Keeping it positive here. I enjoy Rene Ritchie's approach and respect the fact he built a career analyzing Apple and communicating his perspective in a detailed and nuanced way.
Thanks so much for having me on Michael! It's an honor. Great job on the video. Fingers cross Apple has listened to all the feedback and the upcoming redesign addresses all these issues.
I’m not a video editor, so my movement over Thinkpad two years ago was very smooth and easy transition. I have windows and Fedora installed and I have no problems. The thinkpad keyboard is the best I ever used.
You should check out Davinci Resolve. Idk how it compares to Final Cut, but I switched over from Adobe and can't go back now. Would also prevent you from being bent over by Apple
Davinci Resolve is great, as there is even a Linux version, and he really should consider a rolling distro like Manjaro on a Lenovo Thinkpad if he does not want to go with Windows 10.
My late 2013 15-inch rMBP is still going strong today, I’ve never had a single issue, it’s never skipped a beat, it’s been the most reliable system I’ve personally owned along side my old 2011 Mac-mini. I won’t upgrade until Apples gets their act together again. I’m really hoping the new rumoured 16-inch redesigned pro is going to be everything we all want it to be.
I switched from the windows eco system to Ubuntu! It's much cleaner. Only thing I hate is the lack of support of Major softwares like Adobe and Microsoft..... But like always there's a way to solve the problem
I have had nothing but an amazing experience with my MacBook Pro 2017. I am an app developer and spend most of my time with the MacBook pro on a stand and connected to a 4k monitor with wireless keyboard and mouse. However when I travel I also use it on its own and have had no problems with the keyboard or anything else. It should be noted that I have the 2017 No Touch Bar model
Surface Book 2!! I bought one today and it's literally the best laptop / tablet in 1 you can get out there. Fast performance, powerful built in graphics card, insane battery life and the screen detaches to use as a tablet. But unfortunately for me as well Final Cut Pro X just can't be beat, so I'm sticking with my Mac 😕
I'm still using (and loving) my maxed-out 2012 15" Retina MBP. I replaced its battery recently (for about 80 bucks)- super recommended. I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon. They messed up by removing SD cart slot and USB ports.
Hey Michael, I love my MBP, but the problems have made me consider switching back to a PC as well. I also use to use Final Cut Pro for video editing, but I came across Davinci Resolve (14 at the time) and never looked back at FCP again after I started fooling around with resolve. FYI, resolve works on Mac, Windows, and Linux, so don’t let FCP be the only reason you keep the MBP. Give resolve a shot because you may be pleasantly surprised at how freaking good the software is, not to mention how much stuff is included with it!
Hey Michael, I remember you made a video a couple of years ago about using the ipad and pixel c as your main writing tools when you were on the go. You should do a 2019 version. Since the new iPad pro was such a radical change. I want to know your experience with it or how useful has been to you.
Quite similar experience, I had the non retina generation macbook for years (which still works fine) when the time came for an update I couldn't just accept the new mac options and went with a thinkpad as my professional investment. Too many dongle related issues, no replacable parts, fragile design with premium price tag. It just wasn't the field laptop that I needed anymore.
1) I actually like the 4 USB-C ports (2 on each side) on my 15" MBP 2018. I can use the adapter to plug my peripherals on any side I want. This is great when working in tight spaces and I want the cords on just one side. Better cable management. 2) Never had a TouchBar or Keyboard issue (knocks on wood, cause I know the keyboard issue is real). 3) The money I spent on my MBP is NOT worth it. I do love the touchpad and like some MacOS only editing software, but there are plenty of PC laptops that are much better bang for the buck.
I loved Apple once too. Used to own all the iPhone from the 3GS to the 6S. But then the way they handled the iPhoneX and the Macbook Pro made me give up on the 'eco-system' and move on... Looking back on it now, I'm so glad I made the switch earlier rather than later.
Sad thing is Apple is not the only company with reliability issues in their machines. I have a Dell laptop that, for the past 2 years, has given me nothing but problems. I have had to send the machine off to the service center 7 TIMES, with 2 replacement machines in a year due to issues that fell under the warranty, ranging from touch screen issues to a faulty palmrest that caused the keyboard to dip down into the chassis. I am a student, and being without my laptop for up to 3 weeks due to constantly shipping the laptop back to the service center (Because Dell put the wrong part on, or didn't do the work that they were supposed to) made my classes much harder. Even the laptop I have now (which they gave to me new, but without a warranty, as it had run out during one of the trips to the service center) has issues with the touchscreen failing (I ended up writing a script that I keep in my taskbar to disable and reenable the touchscreen to fix the problem). Not to mention the first model (The one I have now is a later generation of the design) had 1 USB 3 port, and a USB 2.0 port on a mid-to-high-end computer purchased in 2017, as well as a USB C port that didn't support Thunderbolt.
Ever since I started using Macs professionally I was using MacBook Pros, it was a beast, worked perfectly until it died last year. With all the issues with the current machine, that you and others have highlighted. I ended up switching to an iPad Pro as my mobile machine. I still have a desktop Mac for the big editing jobs. But as of right know I’ve found the iPad Pro perfectly suitable for illustration, photo manipulation and even video editing. With that said, I do mis have one machine that could do it all. Here’s hoping that Apple fixes these issues.
I couldn't agree with your perception the thermal throttle problem, seems like your expectation is too underwhelming to comprehend what thermal throttling really means, anything on the I9 that cannot run consistently with 4.3 GHz On ALL cores is considered to be throttling, and we only have two laptops that can do that as of now, Acer Helios 500 and MSI GT75
I may not use it like the pro’s out there, but my MacBook Pro Touch 2018 has been rock sold. No keyboard nor restore issues. Moved from my 12” MacBook to the MacBook Pro Touch in no time. Could be my luck and I hope it stays.
I know it might hurt at first but make the switch to premiere and then to a Lenovo Carbon Thinkpad of some sort. It is great to be able to pick a laptop you actually want and not have to spend more on one u don't. Just saying.
should i tell you that with a windows based computer you can practically do the same thing that apple os does, but a whole lot better. like you can make it almost like apple os, but not shit. and use your right clicks for shit, besides being another left click button, like who fucking thought that was needed. or just use linux that way you dont use the shitty apple hardware and get an apple OS port for linux.
I spent this week swapping between 4 pros. No keyboard problems, but boy was backing up and restoring harder than it used to be! Thanks for keeping it relevant! (Sent from my BlackBerry key2).
i'm using this customized laptop by Level 51, a small tech startup company in Singapore. I don't like Macbook Pros but that's because of the pricing and also, it's not my cup of tea. I also don't like the Microsoft Surface, in which case, i rather have a Macbook Pro. I do my music editing on my windows laptop without any issues and even video editing. I'm no Mr.Mobile but i think i'm Ok with video editing so at the end of the day, preference is what it is. I can't stand the Macbook, but i do know people who would love it and overlook its flaws. Windows 10 have flaws, like the updates that can almost kill off your PC within seconds, people overlook. I do try to look beyond the marketing these companies make and make a practical choice but sometimes we get pulled into it without realizing but with people like Mr.Mobile, i always feel informed with a practical look into things plus he has that radio-DJ voice that can sooth a savage beast.
Sold my 15” Pro for a 2018 Air and I love it. Keyboard is definitely better as well on the 3rd gen. Also the 15” is giant for no reason compared to the 13” Air. Good review!
@@kevin9284 It's pretty much a hit or miss, gotta get lucky with your purchase which is pretty unfortunate for such an expensive device. Mine has been good so far thank god, but I can understand all the outrage behind the keyboard issues.
Super interesting. I have the 2015 MBP still as a backup and love it. I also have the 12” and I had a 2017 model, swapped by Apple for the 2018. The 12 and the 2017 had endless keyboard issues - I think the 12 still has some but I CBA to sort at the moment. My 2015 - zero issues, best laptop ever. My 2018? I have had just under a year now and touch wood zero keyboard issues. Without them this is a dream laptop - I don’t mind dongles either, in the main I just bought USBC cables instead which work fine. 9/10 I work on wifi so very few connections needed. I luckily have had no issues with the touch-bar nor do I press the Siri button. Horses for courses. They should have learnt the lessons from the 12”, but seemed not to until the 2018 version. It’s a crying shame and smacks of “Valley” testing with very careful execs. I still flinch when crumbs get on the keyboard!
Z3U5 It depends. FCPX is definitely well-optimized, and works fairly well even on mid-range hardware. It's editing and color tools are a bit lackluster though, especially compared to Premiere. It's definitely easier to learn, but lacks true JKL editing and anything resembling a sophisticated trim mode like AVID.
If you don't mind waiting a bit longer on rendering video, then it's not really a problem. Unless you use a 500 dollar Windows Laptop. If you're using a 2000 dollar laptop with dedicated graphics, it's shouldn't be much of a problem. Yes, I like FCPX. But the price of affording a Mac for it is too high for an average consumer. So yes, I compromise the hardware optimisation for DaVinci Resolve and Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 (I can't really afford CC).
It helps if you change the keyboard (the physical keyboard) to a Spanish keyboard, since the layout is different. I’ve never had a problem with the keys in this layout. You just have to buy the Mac in the Apple store to change the keyboard
I have used a MacBook Pro's since they first came out. However I remained with my 2012 MacBook 15" inch model, with an upgraded logic board, as the other one broke. So I have a 2.4 GHz i7 with 2013 logic board. Not fast for doing 4K editing. I have been using FCP since that came out as well, and like most of the people here, I have stuck with Apple because of that. So I didn't upgrade in 2016, and I am glad I stuck with the older, more ports model. Let's hope Apple listen to their pro customers. I am not bothered if it weighs a bit more. Rather more ports than less weight. I guess we will find out very shortly.
I went from a pro to air ... because my 2011 MacBook Pro was never really Pro because of the GPU problem. Now that they have everything sorted on kind of feel like a throwaway computers.
I've been there. It is hard to change workflow, but I am not married to any software. Everyone can absolutely relearn and get better at software. Something annoying as keyboard failing on multiple generations of laptops is enough for me to change. It is ridiculous to stick to high priced failing hardware for one program.
I got the 13’ MacBook Pro 2018 and it’s honestly great hardware. I love using the Touch Bar, but I wish it had more features. I’ve never had an issue with the Touch Bar freezing. The keyboard is okay and I’m still trying to get used to it.
When it came time to replace my 2012 MBP I got the Huawei Matebook X Pro and haven't looked back. I still have a MBP for work and the TouchBar is relatively useless. Because so much of what I do from Productivity to Consumption is in the cloud I don't see a huge difference. The butterfly keyboard was really the nail in the coffin for me. I so much prefer the "floating style". The pros of the MBP (Haptic Trackpad), AirDrop. and iMessage integration weren't enough to justify a new Mac. Although I have an iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch the MBP is really going to need to improve to get me to come back.
The problem is that Apple's Enterprise software, like Final Cut and iWork, eclipse their competition. The reason why Michael made this video was basically to address the problem that Apple seems to have: massively defective hardware that plagues at a higher rate than launch 360s.
Great video! I was one of these "final cut pro slaves" once. But when I had to upgrade my old iMac, the prices for a new one just didn't make sense. Ended up selling that old iMac and with some more money, builded a custom PC waaaay more powerful --and hackintoshed it! With dual boot, I could even use Windows to game. Nowdays I just use windows, with Premiere Pro. I know, it's not even close to Final Cut's easy of use. But it gets the job done, and at the end that's what matters (and the money it took to do so). Still like Apple, just not so much. I feel kinda betrayed.
I don't what to call my self. I work with a macbook pro for my work place, use a usb keyboard, and a track ball mouse. I had a hell of a time just getting a hold of even the basics. To the point that I feel more comfortable working in a terminal. The hardware looks fantastic, but function and flexability is slipping down rappidly.
Apple should pull the MacBooks from the market as it's a defective product. That's what companies are supposed to do - Don't sell us defective stuff. Redesign the Macbook, hire a few folks from Lenovo to design the new keyboard, and release a MacBook worthy of the name. Sadly, this ain't our Apple anymore. This iteration of Apple has a very hostile view toward it's customers, whether it's soldering on RAM and SSD's, throttling phones to push new purchases, lazily updating processors yet still charging premium prices for underperforming machines and most damning, fighting efforts to allow consumers to repair their own machines. Michael, this Apple sees customers the way used car lots sees customers - as marks to be had.
Couldn't have said it better. I've been an Apple user and evangelist since 2000 and these past few years and products have properly let me down to the point that i'm now telling people to go buy a windows machine to get a lot of bang for their bucks. I'm personally not buying new Apple computers until Tim Cook leaves. His one and only focus is profit over everything else. Apple needs a proper visionary to come in like Satya Nadella replacing Balmer (another profit hungry bean counter) at Microsoft.
I am still using the last of the old batch with an i7 and 16gigs of ram. It works fine for me. I simply can’t afford to upgrade to replace what I have and I will absolutely nit buy one of the new ones. Great video Michael.
The thing is, I cannot use a laptop that doesn't have a TrackPoint. I've been using ThinkPads since the days of Windows 98, and my W541 still holds up nicely today.
Totally agree. Gone from loving my 2012 MBP and recommending it to everyone to a 2017 MBP which has been a pain with keyboard replacements and other issues galore. Hope Apple sort it out.
Excellent video! I’m interested now I’m what all those who stayed on a 2015 to avoid all of these problems are planning to do next. Personally I’ve been looking at other hardware, other OS and especially alternatives to Swift.
Agreed. I spent $4,700 (including taxes and AppleCare+) on my 2018 Core i9 MacBook Pro. It's not even a year old and I've already had to send it off to repair the entire logic board because the hard drive failed. I was in the middle of working on a project, so not only did I lose 11hrs of billable hours, but I had to purchase a Windows PC so I could continue working on said project. It took a week to get my MacBook Pro back. I HATE that I cannot depend on that laptop. My 2013 15" Retina is still going strong; never had a single issue with it. I finally decided to replace the MacBook Pro with an Oryx Pro from System76 and I'm loving it thus far. Hopefully the new 2019 Mac Books are redesigned.
Well despite the usuals here who would love to see this type of video my 2018 MacBook Pro 15 has been 100% rock solid. I type on it for a living so it has to be reliable to run my business on. No issues at all. Very well built machine. Had it for nearly a year now. So glad I got rid of that Lenovo X1 Carbon nightmare. After 3 machines, plus my buddy's X1 Extreme I'm done with Lenovo and it's horrible customer service. I would take one or two problems with a MacBook then deal with Lenovo's X1 Carbon's warped screens they've been sending to customers. After googling, I'm glad to know there were many people who got warped screens, so I was not alone. The X1 Extreme is just junk. Trying to be a mainstream computer but overheats, drains battery and fans sound like jet engine. Lenovo doesn't help customers. They want you to buy and go away. IBM, you made a mistake turning your business over to Lenovo. They make junk now.
I'm still rocking a late 2013 15" with GT 750M graphics. Would really like to upgrade but I don't think I can give up on the reliability and built in SD card reader.
Customer support unmatched? Are you mad? Why do you think companies depend on Lenovo and Dell for their laptops? It's because a technician will come to you to get the laptop working again immediately.
Its staggering to me people still buy in to these and use them. Back when the Apple trackpad was leagues above anyone else, people would say "they just can't use a laptop PC because the trackpad is so bad". But now the keyboard, arguably far more important than a trackpad, is basically unusable.
It isn’t for many and that’s why people still buy them. Some people like them. Millions use their MacBook with no problem whatsoever. The keyboard design is flawed. It thermal throttles and I wouldn’t buy one until they fix it. But your average customer has no idea about these issues and just buy for the brand. So, it shouldn’t be staggering to you at all when you understand the context.
Still using my M11 Alienware laptop. Bought it in 2009 and other than a battery that doesn’t last as long as it should it’s a beast. It has outlasted all my friends laptops over the years.
I'm sad to see Apple's designs falling behind. Competition is essential. iOS phones fell behind Android years ago. Apple tablets are now losing to chromebooks (just look at how the education industry is switching). Are Mac books next?
I want to upgrade my MacBook Pro and have been for a few years now, I got it in 2015 but it just doesn't seem justifiable when the price is more now and there is nothing really to show for it. The fact the touch bar isn't just a staple on all Mac Pros is ridiculous as well.
It's funny that Apple products are getting worse yet somehow people get excited about the next one... Edit: I'm not being sarcastic... I just think people need to be educated about the fact that there are missing out on so many decent options that other manufacturers have to offer. Apple isn't trying to make a good product anymore. They only want money. That's all.
"Apple isn't trying to make a good product anymore." I actually strongly disagree with this. In many ways the current lineup of Apple products is very good; as I mention in the video, some of it is legitimately the best you can buy. I think the difference today is that the attention to detail and quality control have lapsed, leading to more major problems with the devices that hit consumers' hands.
I’m loving the 2015 Air. Recently my workflow has changed, I need more powerful computer and I need to use XCode, so the Macs are my only option. The only thing preventing me from buying the MacBooks is their deflects, keygate, flexgate, staingate (if that’s still a thing) I really hope that they fix it this year.
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It's just tech. Let's all try to do better. Thanks!
Lol terrible puns are definitely ban worthy.
Well hold up - if that's true I gotta ban myself for my own thumbnail! 😆
Another reason why I like you and I'm a long time follower...
I second this comment.
I have owned three MacBook Pros since 2007. I am very happy with my most recent machine, a 15 Inch 2015 model. I have seen various reviews and comments from other RUclipsrs who have mentioned the same issues as this video highlights.
I am keeping my fingers crossed that the new 16Inch MacBook Pro lives up to the hype.
As for video creation/editing , I use iMovie myself and I am very happy with this.
the litt -t little editing touches are appreciated a lot by us Michael!
Seriously inspired execution of that idea. Wish I could edit that well!
Sachindra Bhattacharya correction *lott 😂
lol I'm laughing so hard on this part
When you pay that much money on anything... It MUST work perfectly.
@STS Tech but what other product works perfectly?
@@bibletwink666 Exactly. I considered the new surface book and surface laptop, mainly because i liked the 3:2 aspect ratio which is very similar to mac's 16:10. Turns out the surface book has a major hardware issue with cracking screens because the design makes the glass at the top of the screen touch the base when closed. Just check out the reviews for these surface devices on microsoft's own website, full of broken screens and other issues and these devices sadly cost just as much as the macbooks they compete with. If Dell ever makes an XPS model with a 3:2 or 16:10 aspect ratio I would certainly consider it but all the pc laptop makers stick to 16:9 :(
@@DKprojects9 them having bad reviews on their own website. Exactly! I looked at the surface pro 6 on their website and it had quite an amount of bad reviews. On their own website.
Agree. That's why with the most basic of all problems the keyboard, it isn't worth paying so much for MBP. Its asking price isn't justifiable. I would build a hackintosh.
Daniel Paz Maybach makes a $400K car. Not perfect
That double t speech at 4:12 was brilliant
Not gonna lie I didn't even realise...
He's a master of commentary and that's why he delivered
T-t-t-today junior!!! Haha
4:12 was perfect. It re-triggered by own keyboard PTSD.
Michael: If I didn't need Final Cut Pro everyday then I would have moved on by now.
*Mr.Mobile** immediately flexes Final Cut skills*
Avid Media Composer, Adobe Premier and Magix Vegas (formally Sony Vegas) provide near or better functionality than Final Cut.
You can use adobe premiere on a mac tho
Hollywood dumped final cut years ago when apple dumped Final Cut server and no loner manufacturers or supports server infastructure.
Avid media Composer has the largest marketshare for professional video editors, followed by Adobe Premier.
@@lakorai2 As a Windows user, I'm curious what other video editing program offers background rendering? I'm no Apple fan, but that's why many are, when it comes to Final Cut.
@@narwhal4304 Adobe Media Encoder and Resolbe both support background rendering with GPU accelleration (nVidia CUDA etc).
Premier hands off the workload to Media Encoder.
AVID and Adobe can push jobs to a rendering server or farm, something that Final Cut used to aupport but dumped when they went to Final Cut X.
I still use 2015 model. It holds up surprisingly well.
Nice I would to buy that one with OWC Upgraded Storage 😊😊😊
Same here. Got a maxed out one in the hopes it will hold on long enough to get back to better MacBooks someday.
It's the last MacBook that Apple made which was worth buying before they started caring more about the design than functionality (aka the new keyboard design and removing all the ports). My 2015 model is i7, 16GB ram and 1TB of storage and it runs better than all the new models out there. I'll never buy a new model because it just doesn't make any sense.
Same here, I'm using the 2012 and still going strong
Matthew Joshua Sosito 970 evo / pro would be better. My old 2015 had 2,000-2,200 write and read.
Used macs all my life, moved from the 2013 Macbook Pro to a Thinkpad in 2017, no regrets.
Yup, ThinkPads are the way to go, my 1st gen carbon is still going strong at 6 years old.
@@v5000a If only Lenovo were better at marketing...
Ha, Thinkpads of today SUCK. I've had 3 X1 Carbons. My first two had poor build quality and battery problems. Lenovo sent me a replacement. Screen was warped. Sent it back. The 3rd one had overheating issues, drains battery on basic tasks and fans are way too noisy. Also had a problem with the "T" key not registering. Brand new Thinkpads , JUNK. A friend of mine has an X1 Extreme. He hates it but can't return it since he's past his return period. Don't get me started how horrible Lenovo's customer service is. Worse computer, worse customer service.
@@v5000a Thinkpads are junk now. IBM Thinkpads were good. Lenovo's Thinkpads with their horrible customer service is something everyone should stay away from. Quit the darkside and bought a 2018 MacBook Pro. Love it. Sorry it took me this long to switch.
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As a data scientist, I switched from MBP to Thinkpad T480 running Windows a month ago and could not be happier. Finally got out of the abyss of horrible stucky keyboard and dongle city, I appreciate the dedicated Nvidia card, upgradability, great keyboard and touchpad, and all the ports while remain pretty portable in today’s premium Windows machines. Thought I cannot move away from MacOS but I find myself even more comfortable with Windows than MacOS. Anyone tempts to do it, just do it now. It feels good to get rid of MBP from your life.
Pascal Gu You can hackintosh it, you know. To get Mac OS back
@@ekirchman8765 Not really on a laptop. Unless you must use a MacOS only app (not many in data science), then there's no point either.
Anyone going from macos to windows would disagree with u. Glad u happy. U r probably the exeption confirming the rule. I have had macbook air and mbp 15 2015. I use windows for gaming, and oh boy have i had problems with windows. Took 2 days to install it. Laggy, blue screens, advertizing everywhere. Bloatware. Proffesional. Sure. I would never use windows for 3d work, web development, drawing, coding, app development etc. Windows is for teenagers, gamers and technicians. Not creatives. Reability surpasses all. Try working on a computer that wont even boot up, that freeze or bluescreens just opening software. Wifi wouldnt even work with windows 10...
@@TheVikingquest it sounds like you're the exception then, because that doesn't happen to everyone, and certainly not for me.
@@NGameReviews oh yes it does. If u buy parts, especially amd ryzen motherboards which i did 2016 u in a world of hurt... windows might work ok on pre installed laptops - not so great when building mobos out which must be thousands of unproven combinations... i fi ally solved even installing it after watching forums and videos with 100 of thousands of views. I am not alone.
Apple please hold this L, I swear people who buy macbooks always say "I cant wait for the next, better macbook" like that's ever gonna come, they even prove it themselves by getting the "next, better macbook", then immediately say the same thing and repeat this loop of overall: bad products
The 2016-... models are prone to problems, the 2012-2015 ones didn't had that many issues in the past. Please don't think Apple is alone in that race, ALL the laptop companies have had problems recently (Dell with coil whine, Lenovo with BIOS, ...)
If you think that’s bad, I feel sorry for lots of surface pro owners. They went through far worse shit until the surface pro 5, and even that had freezing lock screen and pen jitters. Yet lots of of them kept buying the next version. Maybe there was lots about it to love it. Just like the macs.
And now your mind is blown.
one of those future macbook pros is gonna be so great that the keyboard actually works! and then they'll make a johnny-ive style video about it to have the i-(whatever we are supposed to call them if we are not allowed to call them certain names on this page) drooling.
Not only this keyboard is unreliable, when it works, it’s the worst typing experience! And after 3 years of owning one, I still dislike it as much as I did in day one.
I can totally understand your dislike on it...because i'm exactly like that....just something off with this keyboard even when it works fine...
OH! THAT TEAM UP! WOO!
Also, I agree 100% with your assessment. I love using a Mac, but my first gen touchboar has been so frustrating for me. It makes me want to just get an iMac Pro or the updated Mac Pro, whenever that comes, instead of another Macbook pro.
"I bought a fruit turd and it's making me crazy."
"It makes me want to buy another fruit turd!"
"This is Tech Today
" indeed.
I gave up on Macs maybe five or six years ago. To be clear, I'm not a professional, and I'm not here to tell anyone that they're "wrong" for still liking or enjoying Apple products: if Mac and iPhone still works for you, that's awesome. I honestly miss a lot of things about Mac, but all of the little annoyances and difficulties just built up for me to the point where I ditched the ecosystem and went back to Windows.
Apple's simple and efficient design aesthetic used to be the gold standard of computers (especially laptops), but at least for me, they've really lost sight of that standard. They still make beautiful devices from design standpoint, and they're still brilliantly functional, but there are so many little drawbacks, bugs, and compromises now that it's just not worth it to me to shell out for a MacBook Pro every few years when I can just build a high-end desktop PC and buy a cheap Windows laptop to do all the other stuff I need to be able to do on the go.
And again, to be clear, I am not a professional, I don't use my desktop or laptop for video editing, at most I do a bit of hobbyist-level music production. So I understand that someone tied into Final Cut would find it very hard to cut the cord.
Anyway. I'm rambling, but, yeah, I share your sentiment. If I felt I could RELY on the MacBook Pro the way I used to, I'd go back to it. It's just not for me anymore.
Thank you for sharing this
So what have you moved to?
I've been using Macs professionally for nearly two decades now, for video, photo, graphic design, and audio production. I still have to use Macs at work, because it's what we have there. But, Apple has massively declined in quality and reliability for their devices, and the OS that runs them. And so I now only buy Windows devices; they are cheaper, more powerful, and just as reliable. It used to be that people ran Macs because 'it just works', but that statement is just not true anymore. And not only that, but many of their really brilliant creative professional products have either been downgraded or discontinued. Why buy an unreliable Mac for FCPX, when you can instead use Resolve, Avid, or Vegas? Better yet, most professionals have Adobe CC anyways, so just use Premiere (which is much better). Sketch? Use XD, which is free.
I didnt think the keyboard experience was bad till I used the older model
Wish there was an upgrade option here for the old MacBook pro
Can't help but notice such better quality of content and flow of information on your videos Mr. Mobile. Please continue doing what you're doing. A fan.
Precisely what I wanted to say
Michael. I really appreciate your original take on reviews. I can't quite put it into words but your personality comes through and it makes the material interesting. Just wanted to leave a word of commendation, I don't usually post these. Please keep up the good work.
Big fan since the PNOW days, keep up the good work, sir!
I have a late 2016 macbook pro, and I'm REALLY hope this years update will fix a lot of these problems since I was planning on upgrading. The touchbar is useless and the keyboard had to be replaced for me, which was a huge hassle when I was traveling.As I said..... fingers crossed for the new model. Since I still very much prefer to work on this machine compared to Windows, including a few exclusive programs to Mac OS I use. The workflow are just way quicker on Mac OS.
I still enjoy with my MBP 2015, and I won't switch to any new until Apple won't fix all the F**kups they made with MBP since 2016.
Yeah good luck with that. I was in the same spot with my MBP 2011, it was great and I didn't want to buy the new MBP 2018 for the reasons described in this video.
Unfortunately planned obsolescence is forcing me to pull the trigger, my MBP can't even run MATLAB anymore (despite being way more powerful than it should need to) and for an engineer that's a deal-breaker.
It's a love-hate relationship with Apple but there's nothing we can do about it.
Sooner Apple will drop support for the whole generation of old form factor by the new OS, they gonna force everyone to move on
I upgraded and got the 2018 13” MBP and I haven’t experience any of these problems with the keyboard or Touch Bar. I’m a writer and use my MBP about 8-10 hours a day and besides the keyboard getting some time to get used to, I’m really happy with it.
Genius bar ?!? You should have sent it to Luis Rossmann !!!!
Can I just say something here?.....I watch all the videos created by the big boys in tech (MKBHD, Dave2D, Rene, etc).....but I gotta say, of them all....I really enjoy your format the most. The edits, the concise reporting, the quippy quips. A sincere thank you for all of the hard work you put into it all and for making my RUclips viewing experience that much better. 🤙🏼 #NeedMacbookProRedesignNOW
I don't think I've ever bought from a sponsor link before, but here I am with a 2014 15" MBP that I'm biding out this chassis generation with for all of the reasons in this very video, and I need exactly that lol
DO IT! I have an aura pro x2 in my late 2013 15" and it doubled my disk speeds
Moved to a surface 2 from a MacBook Air and don’t regret it! 🙂
im on a surface pro 4 as my portable editing machine. My only complaint is that the battery life is a bit weak but its not too bad!
I have a Sony Vaio from 2013 that's still going strong, in spite of the obsolete hardware. One reason for that is the astonishing build quality. I'm sure it can last another four years if I take good care of it. That being said, I don't understand how a premium product like Apple Macbook can pass the production line with problems like thermal throttling and fragile keyboard, things you have to put up with daily. Oh well, wish I could buy a Sony laptop now, but competition like Apple drove them out of business.
You can get some in decent condition on EBay.
I currently rock a 2018 pro but CONSTANTLY find myself reverting back to my 2012 retina out of comfort and convenience. I love my 2018 one for what it could be, but the 2012 just seems like the better of the two, especially considering how well it’s aged and hasn’t slowed down one bit.
I feel sad for Rene Ritchie. He's so desperately clinging to the hope that Apple might be more than a money grubbing marketing machine...😔
He is so lame
@@LZentertainments He is awesome
Keeping it positive here. I enjoy Rene Ritchie's approach and respect the fact he built a career analyzing Apple and communicating his perspective in a detailed and nuanced way.
He's amazing, and so are his ideas. And while some of his defences for apple makes sense, others are just "apple needs money", just sugar coated
Thanks so much for having me on Michael! It's an honor. Great job on the video. Fingers cross Apple has listened to all the feedback and the upcoming redesign addresses all these issues.
LOVED Tttttttthis review Mike! I canttttttttt waitttttttt for more!
I’m not a video editor, so my movement over Thinkpad two years ago was very smooth and easy transition. I have windows and Fedora installed and I have no problems. The thinkpad keyboard is the best I ever used.
You should check out Davinci Resolve. Idk how it compares to Final Cut, but I switched over from Adobe and can't go back now.
Would also prevent you from being bent over by Apple
Davinci Resolve is great, as there is even a Linux version, and he really should consider a rolling distro like Manjaro on a Lenovo Thinkpad if he does not want to go with Windows 10.
My late 2013 15-inch rMBP is still going strong today, I’ve never had a single issue, it’s never skipped a beat, it’s been the most reliable system I’ve personally owned along side my old 2011 Mac-mini.
I won’t upgrade until Apples gets their act together again.
I’m really hoping the new rumoured 16-inch redesigned pro is going to be everything we all want it to be.
Glad I stayed with Windows
I switched from the windows eco system to Ubuntu! It's much cleaner. Only thing I hate is the lack of support of Major softwares like Adobe and Microsoft..... But like always there's a way to solve the problem
There's no such thing as a "Windows ecosystem". lol.
@@samuelmurillo2244 fine. I'm glad I stuck with Windows OS. Good lord.
@@bassamsiraj2175 Ubuntu is great. Windows 10 is not.
@@samuelmurillo2244 It's good enough
I have had nothing but an amazing experience with my MacBook Pro 2017. I am an app developer and spend most of my time with the MacBook pro on a stand and connected to a 4k monitor with wireless keyboard and mouse. However when I travel I also use it on its own and have had no problems with the keyboard or anything else. It should be noted that I have the 2017 No Touch Bar model
*Question:* If final cut pro was not specific to mac
Which laptop would you be using now
Surface Book 2!! I bought one today and it's literally the best laptop / tablet in 1 you can get out there. Fast performance, powerful built in graphics card, insane battery life and the screen detaches to use as a tablet. But unfortunately for me as well Final Cut Pro X just can't be beat, so I'm sticking with my Mac 😕
I'm still using (and loving) my maxed-out 2012 15" Retina MBP. I replaced its battery recently (for about 80 bucks)- super recommended. I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon. They messed up by removing SD cart slot and USB ports.
I have a 2011 MacBook Air since it came out and is working fantastic
Hey Michael,
I love my MBP, but the problems have made me consider switching back to a PC as well. I also use to use Final Cut Pro for video editing, but I came across Davinci Resolve (14 at the time) and never looked back at FCP again after I started fooling around with resolve. FYI, resolve works on Mac, Windows, and Linux, so don’t let FCP be the only reason you keep the MBP. Give resolve a shot because you may be pleasantly surprised at how freaking good the software is, not to mention how much stuff is included with it!
Hey Michael, I remember you made a video a couple of years ago about using the ipad and pixel c as your main writing tools when you were on the go. You should do a 2019 version. Since the new iPad pro was such a radical change. I want to know your experience with it or how useful has been to you.
Quite similar experience, I had the non retina generation macbook for years (which still works fine) when the time came for an update I couldn't just accept the new mac options and went with a thinkpad as my professional investment. Too many dongle related issues, no replacable parts, fragile design with premium price tag. It just wasn't the field laptop that I needed anymore.
I've personally never used my i9 MacBook as a laptop since I've owned it. I bought a dock and never un docked it since lol
1) I actually like the 4 USB-C ports (2 on each side) on my 15" MBP 2018. I can use the adapter to plug my peripherals on any side I want. This is great when working in tight spaces and I want the cords on just one side. Better cable management.
2) Never had a TouchBar or Keyboard issue (knocks on wood, cause I know the keyboard issue is real).
3) The money I spent on my MBP is NOT worth it. I do love the touchpad and like some MacOS only editing software, but there are plenty of PC laptops that are much better bang for the buck.
I'm probably just gonna build a hackintosh :D
I loved Apple once too. Used to own all the iPhone from the 3GS to the 6S. But then the way they handled the iPhoneX and the Macbook Pro made me give up on the 'eco-system' and move on... Looking back on it now, I'm so glad I made the switch earlier rather than later.
Sad thing is Apple is not the only company with reliability issues in their machines. I have a Dell laptop that, for the past 2 years, has given me nothing but problems. I have had to send the machine off to the service center 7 TIMES, with 2 replacement machines in a year due to issues that fell under the warranty, ranging from touch screen issues to a faulty palmrest that caused the keyboard to dip down into the chassis. I am a student, and being without my laptop for up to 3 weeks due to constantly shipping the laptop back to the service center (Because Dell put the wrong part on, or didn't do the work that they were supposed to) made my classes much harder. Even the laptop I have now (which they gave to me new, but without a warranty, as it had run out during one of the trips to the service center) has issues with the touchscreen failing (I ended up writing a script that I keep in my taskbar to disable and reenable the touchscreen to fix the problem).
Not to mention the first model (The one I have now is a later generation of the design) had 1 USB 3 port, and a USB 2.0 port on a mid-to-high-end computer purchased in 2017, as well as a USB C port that didn't support Thunderbolt.
Joseph Still stop watching porn. Problem solved. Messes up computers.
Ever since I started using Macs professionally I was using MacBook Pros, it was a beast, worked perfectly until it died last year. With all the issues with the current machine, that you and others have highlighted. I ended up switching to an iPad Pro as my mobile machine. I still have a desktop Mac for the big editing jobs. But as of right know I’ve found the iPad Pro perfectly suitable for illustration, photo manipulation and even video editing. With that said, I do mis have one machine that could do it all. Here’s hoping that Apple fixes these issues.
I couldn't agree with your perception the thermal throttle problem, seems like your expectation is too underwhelming to comprehend what thermal throttling really means, anything on the I9 that cannot run consistently with 4.3 GHz On ALL cores is considered to be throttling, and we only have two laptops that can do that as of now, Acer Helios 500 and MSI GT75
I may not use it like the pro’s out there, but my MacBook Pro Touch 2018 has been rock sold. No keyboard nor restore issues. Moved from my 12” MacBook to the MacBook Pro Touch in no time. Could be my luck and I hope it stays.
I have loved the MacBook pros I have owned (09) (18 Vega 20) the keyboard on the latest model is unforgivably horrid though.
It's the best keyboard ever on a Mac
I know it might hurt at first but make the switch to premiere and then to a Lenovo Carbon Thinkpad of some sort. It is great to be able to pick a laptop you actually want and not have to spend more on one u don't. Just saying.
It is OSX that is good, not the macbook!
should i tell you that with a windows based computer you can practically do the same thing that apple os does, but a whole lot better.
like you can make it almost like apple os, but not shit. and use your right clicks for shit, besides being another left click button, like who fucking thought that was needed.
or just use linux that way you dont use the shitty apple hardware and get an apple OS port for linux.
@@Thekilleroftanks oh boy
@@Thekilleroftanks go try to update your idiot PC. You'll regret it so much.
I spent this week swapping between 4 pros. No keyboard problems, but boy was backing up and restoring harder than it used to be! Thanks for keeping it relevant! (Sent from my BlackBerry key2).
I always l-love your reviews!
Are just-t so good.
i'm using this customized laptop by Level 51, a small tech startup company in Singapore. I don't like Macbook Pros but that's because of the pricing and also, it's not my cup of tea. I also don't like the Microsoft Surface, in which case, i rather have a Macbook Pro. I do my music editing on my windows laptop without any issues and even video editing. I'm no Mr.Mobile but i think i'm Ok with video editing so at the end of the day, preference is what it is. I can't stand the Macbook, but i do know people who would love it and overlook its flaws. Windows 10 have flaws, like the updates that can almost kill off your PC within seconds, people overlook. I do try to look beyond the marketing these companies make and make a practical choice but sometimes we get pulled into it without realizing but with people like Mr.Mobile, i always feel informed with a practical look into things plus he has that radio-DJ voice that can sooth a savage beast.
Sold my 15” Pro for a 2018 Air and I love it.
Keyboard is definitely better as well on the 3rd gen.
Also the 15” is giant for no reason compared to the 13” Air.
Good review!
It's like you didn't watch the video. His 2018 model has the keyboard issues lol
Kevin Then I’m not sure, my 2018 Air with the 3rd gen is much better than my 2017 15”.
@@kevin9284 It's pretty much a hit or miss, gotta get lucky with your purchase which is pretty unfortunate for such an expensive device. Mine has been good so far thank god, but I can understand all the outrage behind the keyboard issues.
I always loved your videos on Rapidnation 👌 It honestly inspired me to build more models.
What a review 👌🏽..... Really informative I appreciate because this is pure "Edutainment"
Teacher: What are you doing on your phone?
Me: Watching MrMobile
Teacher: Continue on
The problem is apple stopped caring about the "pro" market ages ago. I switched to premiere 2 years ago and never looked back.
depend on final cut pro .. get a hackintosh problem solved
WaschBaer 😂😂
Super interesting. I have the 2015 MBP still as a backup and love it. I also have the 12” and I had a 2017 model, swapped by Apple for the 2018. The 12 and the 2017 had endless keyboard issues - I think the 12 still has some but I CBA to sort at the moment. My 2015 - zero issues, best laptop ever. My 2018? I have had just under a year now and touch wood zero keyboard issues. Without them this is a dream laptop - I don’t mind dongles either, in the main I just bought USBC cables instead which work fine. 9/10 I work on wifi so very few connections needed. I luckily have had no issues with the touch-bar nor do I press the Siri button. Horses for courses. They should have learnt the lessons from the 12”, but seemed not to until the 2018 version. It’s a crying shame and smacks of “Valley” testing with very careful execs. I still flinch when crumbs get on the keyboard!
Just learn to use Davinci Resolve or Adobe Premiere it's not that hard.
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Those are better NLEs but have a higher skill threshold. In all fairness, FCPX is pretty powerful and hassle-free in some ways.
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It depends. FCPX is definitely well-optimized, and works fairly well even on mid-range hardware. It's editing and color tools are a bit lackluster though, especially compared to Premiere. It's definitely easier to learn, but lacks true JKL editing and anything resembling a sophisticated trim mode like AVID.
If you don't mind waiting a bit longer on rendering video, then it's not really a problem. Unless you use a 500 dollar Windows Laptop. If you're using a 2000 dollar laptop with dedicated graphics, it's shouldn't be much of a problem.
Yes, I like FCPX. But the price of affording a Mac for it is too high for an average consumer. So yes, I compromise the hardware optimisation for DaVinci Resolve and Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 (I can't really afford CC).
Premiere is meh on Laptops. Davinci is definitely getting better and better. It has a great potential.
@@twistedoracle1144 Agree, plus if you don't like Windows, you can always go to a Linux distro with Davinci.
It helps if you change the keyboard (the physical keyboard) to a Spanish keyboard, since the layout is different. I’ve never had a problem with the keys in this layout. You just have to buy the Mac in the Apple store to change the keyboard
Huawei matebook x pro is the NEW macbook Pro as the matebook x pro is a beast and fantastic quality.
I have used a MacBook Pro's since they first came out. However I remained with my 2012 MacBook 15" inch model, with an upgraded logic board, as the other one broke. So I have a 2.4 GHz i7 with 2013 logic board. Not fast for doing 4K editing. I have been using FCP since that came out as well, and like most of the people here, I have stuck with Apple because of that. So I didn't upgrade in 2016, and I am glad I stuck with the older, more ports model. Let's hope Apple listen to their pro customers. I am not bothered if it weighs a bit more. Rather more ports than less weight. I guess we will find out very shortly.
Seriously waiting for a design shift on MacBook Pro.. expecting it would fix these problems.
Else moving to ThinkPad.
I went from a pro to air ... because my 2011 MacBook Pro was never really Pro because of the GPU problem. Now that they have everything sorted on kind of feel like a throwaway computers.
Been hearing the "can't move on because Final Cut" for years now. Just move on, it is time. Let the Mac die, burn it if you have to.
When you use a program for a long time you get efficient and fast and there is virtually not turning back ....
I've been there. It is hard to change workflow, but I am not married to any software. Everyone can absolutely relearn and get better at software. Something annoying as keyboard failing on multiple generations of laptops is enough for me to change. It is ridiculous to stick to high priced failing hardware for one program.
I got the 13’ MacBook Pro 2018 and it’s honestly great hardware. I love using the Touch Bar, but I wish it had more features. I’ve never had an issue with the Touch Bar freezing. The keyboard is okay and I’m still trying to get used to it.
Resolve 16 probably would be the best reason for us to ditch mac os afterall
When it came time to replace my 2012 MBP I got the Huawei Matebook X Pro and haven't looked back. I still have a MBP for work and the TouchBar is relatively useless. Because so much of what I do from Productivity to Consumption is in the cloud I don't see a huge difference. The butterfly keyboard was really the nail in the coffin for me. I so much prefer the "floating style". The pros of the MBP (Haptic Trackpad), AirDrop. and iMessage integration weren't enough to justify a new Mac. Although I have an iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch the MBP is really going to need to improve to get me to come back.
you might aswell try getting an aero 15 or msi GS65 and use resolve with the FCX layout.
The problem is that Apple's Enterprise software, like Final Cut and iWork, eclipse their competition. The reason why Michael made this video was basically to address the problem that Apple seems to have: massively defective hardware that plagues at a higher rate than launch 360s.
Great video!
I was one of these "final cut pro slaves" once. But when I had to upgrade my old iMac, the prices for a new one just didn't make sense. Ended up selling that old iMac and with some more money, builded a custom PC waaaay more powerful --and hackintoshed it! With dual boot, I could even use Windows to game.
Nowdays I just use windows, with Premiere Pro. I know, it's not even close to Final Cut's easy of use. But it gets the job done, and at the end that's what matters (and the money it took to do so).
Still like Apple, just not so much. I feel kinda betrayed.
Great video!!
I don't what to call my self. I work with a macbook pro for my work place, use a usb keyboard, and a track ball mouse. I had a hell of a time just getting a hold of even the basics. To the point that I feel more comfortable working in a terminal. The hardware looks fantastic, but function and flexability is slipping down rappidly.
Apple should pull the MacBooks from the market as it's a defective product. That's what companies are supposed to do - Don't sell us defective stuff. Redesign the Macbook, hire a few folks from Lenovo to design the new keyboard, and release a MacBook worthy of the name.
Sadly, this ain't our Apple anymore. This iteration of Apple has a very hostile view toward it's customers, whether it's soldering on RAM and SSD's, throttling phones to push new purchases, lazily updating processors yet still charging premium prices for underperforming machines and most damning, fighting efforts to allow consumers to repair their own machines. Michael, this Apple sees customers the way used car lots sees customers - as marks to be had.
Couldn't have said it better. I've been an Apple user and evangelist since 2000 and these past few years and products have properly let me down to the point that i'm now telling people to go buy a windows machine to get a lot of bang for their bucks. I'm personally not buying new Apple computers until Tim Cook leaves. His one and only focus is profit over everything else. Apple needs a proper visionary to come in like Satya Nadella replacing Balmer (another profit hungry bean counter) at Microsoft.
I am still using the last of the old batch with an i7 and 16gigs of ram. It works fine for me. I simply can’t afford to upgrade to replace what I have and I will absolutely nit buy one of the new ones. Great video Michael.
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I see you bought the Blackberry Key2 Red edition.
The thing is, I cannot use a laptop that doesn't have a TrackPoint. I've been using ThinkPads since the days of Windows 98, and my W541 still holds up nicely today.
Quinn needs to get in there and build you a hackintosh. or just plug in a USB keyboard at home lol
James Russo better yet, make it a Thinkpad X1 carbon or Thinkpad X1 extreme hackintosh
@@ekirchman8765 YES
Real pros and people with morals dont use stolen software......ie no Hackintoshs FFS.
Totally agree. Gone from loving my 2012 MBP and recommending it to everyone to a 2017 MBP which has been a pain with keyboard replacements and other issues galore. Hope Apple sort it out.
Apple has had years to sort this out. They shouldn't be selling defective products. It's that simple.
GREAT video 😉
Edit: I knew it is great video before watching it...
Don't we all?? 😉
Excellent video! I’m interested now I’m what all those who stayed on a 2015 to avoid all of these problems are planning to do next. Personally I’ve been looking at other hardware, other OS and especially alternatives to Swift.
Lol. Star Trek reference. "Ship out of danger?" 😁
Agreed. I spent $4,700 (including taxes and AppleCare+) on my 2018 Core i9 MacBook Pro. It's not even a year old and I've already had to send it off to repair the entire logic board because the hard drive failed. I was in the middle of working on a project, so not only did I lose 11hrs of billable hours, but I had to purchase a Windows PC so I could continue working on said project. It took a week to get my MacBook Pro back. I HATE that I cannot depend on that laptop. My 2013 15" Retina is still going strong; never had a single issue with it. I finally decided to replace the MacBook Pro with an Oryx Pro from System76 and I'm loving it thus far. Hopefully the new 2019 Mac Books are redesigned.
Well despite the usuals here who would love to see this type of video my 2018 MacBook Pro 15 has been 100% rock solid. I type on it for a living so it has to be reliable to run my business on. No issues at all. Very well built machine. Had it for nearly a year now. So glad I got rid of that Lenovo X1 Carbon nightmare. After 3 machines, plus my buddy's X1 Extreme I'm done with Lenovo and it's horrible customer service. I would take one or two problems with a MacBook then deal with Lenovo's X1 Carbon's warped screens they've been sending to customers. After googling, I'm glad to know there were many people who got warped screens, so I was not alone. The X1 Extreme is just junk. Trying to be a mainstream computer but overheats, drains battery and fans sound like jet engine. Lenovo doesn't help customers. They want you to buy and go away. IBM, you made a mistake turning your business over to Lenovo. They make junk now.
I'm still rocking a late 2013 15" with GT 750M graphics. Would really like to upgrade but I don't think I can give up on the reliability and built in SD card reader.
Customer support unmatched? Are you mad?
Why do you think companies depend on Lenovo and Dell for their laptops? It's because a technician will come to you to get the laptop working again immediately.
Its staggering to me people still buy in to these and use them. Back when the Apple trackpad was leagues above anyone else, people would say "they just can't use a laptop PC because the trackpad is so bad". But now the keyboard, arguably far more important than a trackpad, is basically unusable.
It isn’t for many and that’s why people still buy them.
Some people like them.
Millions use their MacBook with no problem whatsoever.
The keyboard design is flawed. It thermal throttles and I wouldn’t buy one until they fix it. But your average customer has no idea about these issues and just buy for the brand.
So, it shouldn’t be staggering to you at all when you understand the context.
I won't buy a MacBook until they fix the keyboard.
Man, you are always so legit and honest! That’s the reason I love your videos.
Switch to ThinkPad my friend . Search your feelings . You know its true
Final Cut Pro..
@@BrawndoQC hackinstosh
@@BrawndoQC hackintosh ? Is it possible on a laptop
Still using my M11 Alienware laptop. Bought it in 2009 and other than a battery that doesn’t last as long as it should it’s a beast. It has outlasted all my friends laptops over the years.
Why are you dependend on final cut pro?? There are alternatives.
Davinci Resolve is superb.
/and it works on PC too.
This was very well put together .. watching from my 2015 MacBook Pro just recently upgraded with the owc drive 🤙🏻
I'm sad to see Apple's designs falling behind. Competition is essential.
iOS phones fell behind Android years ago.
Apple tablets are now losing to chromebooks (just look at how the education industry is switching).
Are Mac books next?
Chromebooks =/= iPads, not the same price nor the same target.
I want to upgrade my MacBook Pro and have been for a few years now, I got it in 2015 but it just doesn't seem justifiable when the price is more now and there is nothing really to show for it. The fact the touch bar isn't just a staple on all Mac Pros is ridiculous as well.
It's funny that Apple products are getting worse yet somehow people get excited about the next one...
Edit: I'm not being sarcastic... I just think people need to be educated about the fact that there are missing out on so many decent options that other manufacturers have to offer. Apple isn't trying to make a good product anymore. They only want money. That's all.
"Apple isn't trying to make a good product anymore." I actually strongly disagree with this. In many ways the current lineup of Apple products is very good; as I mention in the video, some of it is legitimately the best you can buy. I think the difference today is that the attention to detail and quality control have lapsed, leading to more major problems with the devices that hit consumers' hands.
I’m loving the 2015 Air. Recently my workflow has changed, I need more powerful computer and I need to use XCode, so the Macs are my only option. The only thing preventing me from buying the MacBooks is their deflects, keygate, flexgate, staingate (if that’s still a thing) I really hope that they fix it this year.
typpinng thiss from my Maccbook Prroo!!! XD
Enjoyed the review. I’m still rocking the 2015 MBP. I would consider a newer model once they fix the keyboard issue.