"Rookie" F-22 Pilot Using "Top Gun" Callsign Mishap at Fallon NAS | AIB Report Review
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- In April of 2018, an F-22 had a mishap at Naval Air Station Fallon in NV. The Tribunist says it was a "Rookie" pilot using callsign "Top Gun" that crashed during takeoff, but is that the real story? On this episode, we take a look at the Official Accident Investigation Board report.
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I can empathize. I went through the same thing when I was 8 years old. I was kicking up the kickstand prematurely on my Huffy bike with similar results. It was an institutional problem. Most of us had hundreds of hours on our Huffy bikes and other models, so we weren't rookies. All the kids in the neighborhood did it the same way, but the same technique did not work on grass. Apparently, the decrease in CFG (centrifugal force generated) on grass, as opposed to asphalt, was the cause of the problem. Takeoff was performed on visual cues and feel, without regard to the audible warning generated by the playing card-ometer that interacts with the spokes. That auditory cue would have been sufficient to alert the rider that there was insufficient velocity/CFG. Unfortunately, this cue was regularly disregarded by most riders in the neighborhood. It resulted in many dented and scuffed pedals and bars. My incident served to change our training and we successfully conducted operations after with no further incidents.
You put WAY too much thought into your reply. I am impressed. I didn't think anyone could combine analytic analysis and humor.
LOL my English teacher would be impressed by this (which is practically impossible)
Wow you know CFG when you're 8 already?
I know this was two years ago. This was a giggle. Nice Root Cause Analysis Study, or a concluding Problem Management Report, and it's hilarious!
😂 nice one! Gave me a good laugh.
Imagine the heart-dropping, gut-wrenching feeling of this pilot when this occurred.
There you are... sat in a rare, cutting edge $150M aircraft... and you just have to sit there helpless, listening to the sound of metal scraping and the airframe buckling.
forsure. I would be sick with how gut-wrenched my stomach would be.
From the sounds of it, the pilot outwardly does not care.
As well he should feel that way. He should never fly again.
@@wags83 "He should never fly again"
Wtf? What would be the reason for you to say that? Did you watch through the whole video?
Heck, are we even talking about the same video/mishap here?
I'm so confused...
Man it’d be gut wrenching just thinking about how the belly of that raptor looks now
This is probably how you get callsigns like “Skidmark”, “Slip ‘n Slide”, or “Grindr”, and those are probably on the nicer side.
I like Grindr
"TOLDyaso"
"Mr.Plow", "Plowman", "Digger", "Zamboni" ?
hello im satan 1-1 and i drop nuclear bombs on cities to kill innocent childeren
@@Max_R_MaMint lmao yes
You said once pilot call signs can change. is it likely he is now call sign.... 'Slider'?
tbh that would be a badass call sign for a tank driver
I was thinking "Belly Flop".
Skidz?
you win the internet
“Skidmark”
Was his cellphone in airplane mode? 🤣
No but his airplane was in phone mode
@@fademusic1980 lol
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the first time ever, two different people have received the Internet together. Congratulations Robert Lu and Albert Goenner on this landmark event, and congratulations, YOU TWO win and own The Internet, for today.....
Yeah texting and flying what it gets you to lol
If he would have had a 80's Doug masters style cassette player this wouldn't have happened
Navy Pilots: "Navy pilots can land on carriers because our landing gear is stronger."
Airforce Pilot: "That's impressive, but who even needs landing gear, hold my beer."
Naval aviators, they’re better than “pilots” lol
israybil32980 just better recruiting because navy life sucks ass.
Army Helicopter Pilot: "We don't need fancy runways."
Department of Defense: "Ok Air Force, You finish that Air Force Base we had to work miracles to pay for?"
Air Force: "Yeah about that. We need money for the runways."
DOD: "What? How do you build an Air Force Base without runways?"
Air Force: "We kind of forgot about runways. All the buildings look great though. Best of the best." 😁
Savage Viking yes, yes I know. I wallowed in the suck for 4 years.
They changed his call sign to Skidmark.
Well, still better than Lawndart, ain't it?
@@SPARTAN-yb9dc at ACM WARBIRDS OF CANADA, Team lead is called "SKIDMK" haha! dont ask questions...
Lol.
In my country they don't ever let you step on a plane again if you pull shit like this
Very good 👍
"what'd you do for cinco de mayo?"
"watched a 30 minute read thru about a fighter pilot crashing his F22."
"Oh. That sucks. You in the Air Force, I take it then?"
"nope..."
"..."
"..."
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@@deanraffiedean8666 X-Plane 11 doesn't have a Hornet built in. The included fighter is an F-4. There is an addon Super Hornet by Colimata, but I would not recommend that you buy it. Get the legacy Hornet for DCS instead, it's the golden standard and it's on sale.
@@deanraffiedean8666 definately get the legacy hornet for DCS. it's still in development but its pretty far in. only needs ground radar and a few other features. and dcs is a full combat flight sim so you get more bang for your buck.
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Mr. Lemoine- Thank You for your insights on this incident. My father was a Vietnam era Marine aviator who flew F-8s, F-4s, and F-18s before retirement. This video reminds me of hearing him and some of the other Marines talking shop around the house. Thanks for the great content.
I'm a NASA contractor/principal investigator doing flight safety research among other tasks. I really enjoy your briefings. I'm always amazed at how near misses/mishaps/accidents happen regardless of steps taken to prevent them. Great site! Best of luck with all of your projects! Thanks!
what about those 3 guys in the capsule............in a pure oxygen environment.............how could it NOT burst into flames and kill them all?? LoL
@@wazza33racer there are theories that this was NASA´s plan all along because Gus Grissom complained about the space program and told the media: how are we supposed to land on the moon with such a trashcan
@@Humbulla93 a dead man tells no tales
Wilson!!!
@@georgecooksey8216 And that's how it's pronounced when people ask me-it's not just wilson....
Outstanding wrap-up and great job correcting their “journalism.”
... or lack thereof
Ever read a newspaper article about a SCUBA accident? They are lucky to be 20% correct.
@Ramirez Jose Even so, he's right. Nobody trusts the media anymore.
Ramirez Jose Yes I do agree with you to a point. Pressure is applied to us now to live our lives, work performance expectations, family expectations. Expectations to be superman/superwoman. There just is no TIME to do an Internet research deep dive and gather facts in every matter. The media knows that and is taking huge liberties to tell us what they want to tell us - rarely the truth if ever.
Written by a 20 something just outta college kid with no military experience or knowledge of military protocol. Deconstructed by a former pilot who knows what he's talking about. But fake news, right?
This was incredibly interesting. I, for one, enjoy a sensationalised headline being examined by someone with training, experience and knowledge on the subject. Thankyou for taking the time to make this video.
26:00 “loads of dinosaurs.”
Sir, I haul fuel for a living. Today I delivered over 250,000lbs lbs of fuel. I just want you to know that I will call every load “dinosaurs” after tonight. CPL Roark; out.
We often refer to it as "Turning dead dinosaurs into noise and air pollution."
Dinosaurs make my car go!
@@kgaedtke398 I'm a P3 guy. We turn dinosaurs into smoke at 4000 lbs/hr.
Dino juice
Not to say you can't, but oil comes from algae.
Thankfully it didn't take the loss of the pilot's life to get the problem identified and hopefully corrected. Thank you for breaking down the explanation and making this report understandable .
Really great even-keeled analysis. Appreciate the perspective on how normalization of deviance can affect even the highest caliber aviators. Formal briefings and sticking to the numbers are often the first corners cut once we consider ourselves “proficient” and comfortable in the jet. But they nearly always come back to bite. Why do the enemy a favor?
I can faintly hear my mom "IF jOhnNy RoTaTeS EaRly aRe yoU GonNa RotAte eArlY ToOoOo??"
hahahahahaa
Just because all the other little boys are rotating early doesn't mean . . . .
so he brought to their attention a huge problem with the training that was provided,...probably saving equipment and possibly lives.
Yeah n watch how nobody was at fault or no consequences came to the leaders of these pilots...good ole govt MP lol
@@starfighter1043 too bad he wasn't flying drunk so that he could join the ranks of the American dreamers that drive drunk every weekend to prove have sacred their families are
I talked to my father about this years ago, prompted by something different, and he never liked the whole "gear in as soon as possible"-thing. "If the engine cuts out or something happens I don't wanna waste time lowering the gear" was his approach.
True, he flew older generation fighters with less power but they were still able to go super sonic while still over the field if you did not pay attention.
I am happy to see that they did not go the easy and often PC-route and put all the blame on the pilot but instead (hopfully) made sure to correct a systemic error in order to advance correct training and flight safety. Good report.
The fact that the paper got it wrong, well, news at 9. What did anyone expect?
The video explains that the longer you leave the gear down the more likely you are to over stress the gear or the doors
In something like an F16 you’re already climbing really hard to slow the acceleration down as much as possible to give you time to get the gear in, I’d imagine the F22 is even worse.
"TopGun69" sounds like a teenager's Xbox gamertag
*65 but yes would be funny
5:06
Sounds like a generic name you'd see on Ace Combat.
It would be funnier if his sign was NoobMaster420_69
needs some "xX...Xx"s and then it'd be an xbox gamertag
Raised his nose too early during take off?
Sounds just like every top tier game in War Thunder lmao.
Fucking tail strike then slap the nose back down and break the gear...
Adam Saffell every time
I can relate when taking off with a fully loaded mk83 F4 in realistic battles.
Ah yes the tailstrike engine death
@@TycoonTitian01 Especially migs T_T
As a former metalsmith in the Navy with many trips to Fallon I for one appreciate a look at things from the aircrew point of view when ever it presents it's self. Thank you.
This was an amazing synopsis of events that I could never have gleaned from that newspaper article. Thank you for seeing some warning signs and digging into the report to explain all of this to us. I did a lot of that after Scott Waddle's horrible accident, explaining how the control room can get, especially with VIPs onboard, so people could understand how the problem happened and how those with the answer may have dropped the ball, etc. It gives people a greater appreciation of how difficult and chaotic military operations can be. Great job reading between the lines and helping us understand more of your world!
It bothers me how aggressive thje journalist was against the pilot....
An anti-military “reporter” *gasp* no way!
Sensationalism at it's finest
Gone are the days where non-biased and non-emotional journalism were the standard.
"Journalists" like these are useless. Funny how they look down at people who actually have courage to do dangerous and productive jobs.
especially since he probably could not even name a single thing on the plane
This use to happen quite a lot (well different kinds of misshapes with gear retracted) With the old Draken in the Swedish airforce. They run them on grass fields (yes, jets on grass fields).
Then fun part with the Draken is that it was so robust it could simply just extend the landing gear and raise up the aircraft.
Also being grass fields, it rarely damage the aircraft.
Mover, outstanding job debriefing this mishap. I'm never one to judge another but rather think if that happened to him, could be me next. You highlighted some truly universal key takeaways.. incomplete / incorrect TOLD data, 2 indications of climb, etc. -m-
New call sign: “ASS-FAULT”
New call sign... "Not a F22 pilot anymore"
Only an AF pilot can cause hundreds of millions in damages and in investigations and still hold their job ("too big to fail").
@@anonypersona3189 Come to think about it, he has 350 flight hours… even if he spent most of the time in an F-16, this would still amount to several million dollars.
BINGO!
YOU MADE LAUGH.
thank you.
They just spend millions on teaching him a lesson about takeoff, do you think they want that to go to waste?
The fact that he is still flying is a great example of "whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger". Sharing this story with other pilots makes the other pilots wiser too. In fact I think it was Flying magazine that used to have a feature called Aftermath that let general aviation pilots learn from the accidents of their fellow pilots. And I have a story of a belly landing of a Beech 99 (small commuter aircraft) taking off from a snowy upstate New York airfield. The runway hadn't been plowed well enough so on its take off roll, the tires threw hundreds of pounds of slush into the wheel wells putting the aircraft badly over weight. It could only stay airborne in ground effect and landed on it's belly in an open field directly beyond the runway. No fatalities fortunately. But you just never know what can go wrong.
This never would have happened to Doug Masters.
I saw him in an declassified documentary where he landed on an enemy runway under fire! Masters is still our top ace, i am pretty sure.
There is a reason he has the last name Masters and the call sign Iron Eagle! Best pilot ever! And that documentary they did on him, his old man and Chappie was spot on! As an Air Force vet I've always thought that series (Iron Eagle 1 - Iron Eagle 17) were great training films.
Chappy Approves!
It's hilarious that I come across this, because the first thought that entered my head when I read the headline was "Way to go, Doug Masters." lmao
Umm, but Doug Masters, like goose, IS DEAD!!!!
"Top Gun 6-9...or whatever"
Nice.
greyman419 nice
Nice.
Nice.
nice.
Nice.
I hope this Raptor's pilot career is not ruined. Fleet ADM Nimitz was Courts Martialed for running his ship aground as a young junior officer.
All I want to know is did they change his call sign to "Slip & Slide" after this?
Todd Miller or Sparks, Sparky...
@onions Slider... *sniff*... you stink.
Or Belly flop :-)
we had a helicopter pilot (CO of the squadron) who had the callsign "skids". doing landings on the back of a frigate and you leave the brakes on for obvious reasons. but when you come back to base and the ATC demands a rolling landing..you need to take the brakes off. oops. this was HSL-94 out of willow grove,PA back in the early 90's and the CO's name was Mclaughlin. otherwise a good CO. really gave a damn about the people under him.
Or Spam-in-can
Loved the "I've got more dinosaurs I can throw out the back of this thing" comment!
Love C.W. Lemoine. As a former Naval Aviator myself, his detail and memory of things is absolutely incredible. The weight of wheels click is one of many little details. Keep it up, it always brings back great memories every time I see you dissect something.
Top Gun 65: "I'm about to wreck this man's whole career"
Chain of Command: "Who's mine?"
I can think of a few times when I was in the Air Foce in which the Technical Orders were wrong or incorrect. For example once I was working on a -95 gas turbine start cart and it needed a shim adjustment on the igniter spacing. Well the T.O. had a mathematical formula to figure out the size and number of shims. Well the math seemed wrong to me so I asked my NCO and we messed with it and it seemed wrong. So we finally had someone in the flight that was studying engineering and said the formula was wrong.
So we turned in a form you use to report errors or mistakes in T.O. and it gets reviewed. It turned out in the last T.O update this chart had been changed but the change had the wrong formula.
Whose*
TheRabbitFear you must be fun at parties
TheRabbitFear *Whomst’dve
@@desks3674 I would be
@@TheRabbitFear Nobody cares
Mover, as I watch more and more of your work the thing that keeps me coming back is your positive attitude. You could have dumped all over this guy but you didn't. I have to assume he gets some ribbing for it, I expect face to face you'd almost be required to deliver some yourself but here, in this forum, pure professionalism. I came into this expecting a chuckle at this pilot's expense, instead I got an adjustment and an education. Strong work, thanks for your efforts, and I look forward to the next.
Top Gun - "At least as a pilot, I can be retrained."
Colonel - "Yes. Yes you can. And the work you will be doing in your new assignment at The Runit Island Airbase is very important."
Top Gun - "Wait, there's no Airbase on Runit Island!"
Colonel - "I know."
I guess they figured since it was a graduation he must be a "rookie" that has never flown before... because obviously that's how it works, you don't get to fly until you graduate 😂
this is one of the best segments you've done as it gets into habituated behaviors and maybe complacency. I know you've taken some heat about commenting on accidents and incidents but personally I find these discussions extremely worthwhile. As long as we stay away from overt speculation it's fine. liked and shared. thanks !
He must have switched from a flying saucer at Area 51, and forgot he was in a far more basic F-22...
That base is all underground now, but yes the Navy has had the "ufos" for decades and they fly around all the time. Hence the one the pentagon "released" LMAO
@Tyler 324 And the Nazis got them from the ancient Egyptians!
Reviews of this nature are important, good findings, identification of problems and corrective actions- well done. Thanks 'Mover' :)
There is a common adage about pilots that fly retractable gear aircraft: "There are two kind of pilots; those who have landed with the gear up and those who will."
Does this accident count toward that pilots movement to membership to the pilots who have landed gear-up?
I'd say no, only because that adage typically refers to pilots forgetting to extend gear when intentionally landing. But, technically he landed gear up, so...
You can't land when you're not flying.
Similar saying in motorcycling. "There are two types of riders, those who have crashed and those who will" Just a saying that keeps you paying attention.
@@brinx8634 🤔
@Jason Bowman This is an immutable law of flying. Check the bolts!
all people make mistakes sooner or later, the most important thing the pilot is alive
Guys I found the spy.
@@Dunkopf actually you find someone who has common sense also he wouldn't be a very good spy considering his name
@@andrewmoore7022 AH HAA! you see that was just a CLEVER RUSE to lure out the real SPY into revealing himself. YOU!
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing
@@FlightDreamz people say that until they start flying lol
Heard a Raptor test pilot give a talk at MIT about the aircraft and it blew my mind just how much the plane does on its own (to help you) based on what inputs you give it... Like lowering the gear for example - the aircraft assumes you intend to land, so it changes its wing, throttle, control configuration. Or, opening the fuel door for midair refuel - assumes you intend on mating with a tanker aircraft and changes several systems to help the pilot do that easier.
The flip side of this is that it's caused some problems - one of which he had a video and explained - where a pilot he knows was doing a touch and go and lit the blowers on his second pass... the aircraft stick (assuming you are trying to go supersonic) reacts less to movement than at landing speed, which caused an oscillation that resulted in a ground strike with the gear up. Wasn't the pilots fault at all - in that case.
Wonder if that played a part here too? But from what that pilot said they fixed that problem.
Props to the AF for not throwing the pilot under the bus.
Pilots are expensive these days.
Believe me, if he had deserved to be thrown under the bus, they'd have no problem doing it.
I'm hoping the pilots new call sign is "Top Gear"
LMAO! or skid.
Underrated comment
This is why I’ve always referred to landing gear as “Spark Arresters” LOL
The guys in the tower were just watching him slide by.
Airman: Uh, major, does that look right to you?
Major: F*****g Air Force pilots!
No no no I said "Negative Ghostrider the pattern is closed!!"
The officer in the tower at Naval Air Station Fallon wouldn't be a major, he'd be a lieutenant commander or thereabouts. Just saying'...
Yeah, a Naval Air Station in the middle of the desert - why not.
😂🤣😭
I didn't know you could drift an F-22 - euro beat intensifies
@@richardhockey8442 Toyota drift that plane
At 50$ a month he should have that paid off in the year 4591.
$140M @ $50./mo puts it closer to the year 235,351.
@@_Hound_ Give the guy a little hope, would ya?
It will buff out and then a $100 maco paint job and good as new
@@tomr3422 That's the spirit!
@@Waltham1892 Pfft, I'll do you one better. Just spray her with some good ol' plasti-dip!
"Poor reporting." That sums up the mainstream news media.
Nah, it don't. Despite the massive case of just copy pasting news, there is still well documented news.
Only most American's don't read em, because they have the attention span of gold fish.
@@Orcawhale1 If the news ever reports on a story that you are a part of you will quickly realize how they just make things up to fill in the blanks. They do whatever will sell, or whatever spin they want to push. There is no such thing as clean and honest 'news'.
You see an article by "Tribunist" and make the conclusion "yup, this is an example of the mainstream news media"? Give me strength.
@@wloffblizz I never said the Tribunist was an example of mainstream media. But maybe I should have used the word "most" instead of "mainstream."
"Poor reporting"
This comment is emblematic of Americans' attitudes toward the news media today. But, it isn't because reporters are all lazy or making too many mistakes; unfortunately, it is because Americans have become too politicized and are too biased to consider an article that is well-written (covers the 5 Ws, includes perspectives and quotes from both sides of an issue) as objective and impartial. In other words, fair. Thanks to people like Donald Trump, people now are quick to criticize a journalist or press organization as "fake news" or biased if it reports facts that don't shine a positive light on the politician, business leader, et al. Oh, boo fucking hoo. People are so thin-skinned now; they automatically resort to attacking the press as Public Enemy No. 1 just because it is doing its job. Twenty years ago, corrupt politicians like Trump would have been shunned by members of his own party for the bullshit he is pulling in office; 30 years ago, he'd be impeached. Now, people call him a hero.
I look at things in black/white terms. If a public figure such as a politician is acting unethically, immorally, or breaking the law, then he/she deserves to be investigated and or removed from office. If you're the POTUS and there is proof you paid off a porn star, then there is no debate. You deserve to be removed from office. If you bungle the federal government's handling of a pandemic, then you deserve to be investigated and impeached. This is not fake news. This is insanity.
"Don't be the reason for a safety brief or have a rule named after you"
Well, he definitely broke one of those rules
New callsign:
A. Training Wheels
B. Bellyflop
C. Skidmark
D. Pullout
Training Wheels...hostile renaming :)
What about Top Gear?
@@JericoLionhearth LOL, I like it.
Bandicoot
Forgot Road Rash (from another commenter).
I’m surprised that the AIB did not dig deeper into WHY the B-course IPs were training their students to fly the airplane in a manner contrary to what was in the tech order? This got started somehow. Until they find the guy/gal who invented this technique, have they really reached root cause? Over the years, there have been a number of aviation accidents that were the result of unauthorized procedures. It is amazing that these things propagate without someone standing up and saying “Wait a minute, if this is OK, why is it not in the tech order?” Bizarre. Another good one, Mover!
What about the spreadsheet that calculates the TOLD numbers - did I hear Mover claim they contained assumptions for sea level whereas Fallon is 4000 ASL, and a temp of 80f vs 46f actual?
Two thumbs up on the analysis.
I doubt they were TEACHING the wrong technique. They just weren't emphasizing the correct technique, nor were they correcting the wrong technique, IF it was even spotted.
@@grecco_buckliano Part of the problem is that they are training pilots to fly a single-seat airplane for which there is no 2-seat trainer. So unless the IPs download flight data from the student's airplane or spotted it during a formation takeoff with the student, the problem might be very hard to detect during training flights. STILL, someone was obviously promoting this early rotation technique, because so many were found to be doing it. If it was THAT common, the IPs should have been on top of it. Their job is to keep a finger on the pulse of their student's performance.
WOW !! (No pun intended Mover). You brought back memories when you talked about the WOW switches. I can’t count how many landing gear WOW switches, up and locked switches, doors up, doors down, gear up gear down switches we troubleshot, replaced, adjusted, etc. etc. on our fleet. A landing gear write up is a maintainer’s nightmare. It’s always a Red ‘X” , involves us electricians, hydraulics, crew chiefs, AGE towing out the ground equipment, towing the plane into the hangar, jacking up the aircraft, a ground check, an inflight check, whew, I’m out of breath! Another great video brother! (Bill from Slidell)
Haha I remember that day, it happened right outside of my hangar. The CO was pissed cause those photos were taken and shared illegally. Absolutely correct towards the end of the Top Gun class different aircraft will be used depending on what's available, I've seen those F-22's as well as more often F-35's
First time I've ever heard the term "gonk" used as a verb. Makes me wonder how Gonky got his callsign 🤔
I guess it's the abbreviated form of "gudonkulate"
My commander told me to keep on gonking earlier today. I figured it best not to ask what he meant... 🤔
@@cgooch_ It's when you walk over a defender and catch a touchdown from Tom Brady.
Seeing that raptor sitting on it's belly hurts something fierce.
- but "something fierce" had it coming to him...
Turk's Innovations
All the taxes I have ever paid, won’t cover the cost to repair that.... unless it just needs some bondo, a little sanding, and a little paint....
Rick Sanchez C137 - This. The cost of these machines is hard to fathom.
I always learn so much from this channel. Thank you, Mover.
That's how the media get away with it; they rely on the majority of readers/viewers having no knowledge of the subject, so they can BS all they want.
I was there that day! Was pretty interesting watching a F22 skid belly down the run way. Of course being F18 Airframe maintainer we walked over to the F22 maintainers to see what happen and talked good Navy to Air Force shit.
...you was onsite? surely as a Navy man, your English/American writing skills would be better?
FLIPL and “Statement of Charges” would be two phrases he’d never forget if he was in the Army.
I love these videos!
I must say that I hate that there are no real consequences for journalists who write junk like what is in the article you review! There should be retraining for journalists who get things fundamentally wrong!
A lot of time is think I prematurely retract f18 gear to avoid over speed damage, but I'm only playing dcs. That's hilarious that you mentioned this very thing later in the video
I don’t understand anything he’s saying but I’m still watching lol I love this dudes videos even tho idk anything about most of the stuff he talks about lol
I'm from PC & lived on Tyndall AFB when Bill Clinton came and visited PC. Tyndall is awesome. I loved living out there. I used to go out in those woods all the time out there. Brings back ao many fond memories of my earlier days. I also lived in Port St Joe about 30 miles.
All jokes aside this may have been the only chance the F-18 had against this F-22.
During testing the F-18 actually did get a guns kill; but the ROE stated it was a visual dog fight only flight. In a real battle 4th gen fighters never once saw the Raptor in BVR.
@@fightingfalconfan Yeah. During an exercise in the UAE, the Rafale won many times against the Raptor. But since the concept of dogfighting is outdated, it didn't, and still doesn't matter much.
That’s been said before.
Would love to hear an analysis of the F-15 that ran off the runway at Andrews this last weekend.
“The Defense Department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid.”
Rookie and F-22 should not be in the same sentence.
You can be an expert pilot and still a rookie in an F-22. Just because you have thousands of flight hours, doesn't mean you can just jump in any aircraft and fly.
Everyone has to be a rookie at some point. even astronauts.
The pilots who are assigned to fly Raptors are all experienced in other types of aircraft, but, every time you step into a new type, it's like starting over fresh.
That's not correct. Pilots can get the F-22 straight out of UPT.
@@CWLemoine so new recruits passing tests for piloting can get in a f22?
"Roadrash" seems the best new callsign.
Haha I was thinking "Skid"
@@D.Zeeveld Well, that's better than Skidmark…
DEAD MEAT
Barry Allard maybe “Toady” Since he flies like one.
Wow, shows how media can send you in a totally different direction than the actual scenario. Great reporting Mover! Pilot also kept his cool and didn’t try to fix his embracing problem by making it worse. He shut her down.
Some habits like you said become unnoticed by our own feelings that "I always do it this way, it should be fine". I find it odd though that he never watched his VSI and relied on peripheral vision, your eyes can play tricks for sure, but he did have weight off wheels and a feeling he was climbing so... He must feel like an ass and kicking himself for sure with all his experience.
But every accident we learn and I bet he wont do it again, either will others after a bit of training. Great review thanks.
I love how "journalists" are incapable of getting basic facts correct. Yet another reason to be extremely skeptical of media. Whatever it takes for a headline.
Just as Gavin De Becker pointed it out, it's all business nowadays.
Given today's quality of "journalists", he probably misspelled his name as well.
dash4800, I don't know why you would love that.
dash4800 “Rookie Joe Biden running for president.”
dash4800 remember when people first started saying this and we were all “what a wack-o” and now when people say it we are all “right on brother”. 😀
This clearly shows the difference between training and education. Nobody was hurt and conclusions were made. Thank you for sharing!
I love how you can pick out in the comments on who watched and didn't watch the whole video.
POW! Outta nowhere. This video captivated me. I couldn't be farther from involved in flight or the military but I hung on every word. The closest interaction I've ever had to military flight is putting an addition on a hanger at McGuire Air Force Base to accommodate c-130s (2003-ish). Very interesting, engaging and informative with zero condescension from my view.
Thank you young man/sir. 🤙
E. Hamilton Lee: "There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots
Paul 1776 ever heard of a guy named Chuck Yeager?
i'd like to believe that the old pilots are the bold ones what with richtofen's own theory of air combat
@@Veteran_Aviator you beat me to it
@I like Fried Chicken no... watch the whole video. not only that but he must be quite far from dumb if he flies F-22s
Google the name Bob Hoover
Really enjoyed this segment and thank you for walking through the report. Things do happen (mistake or not), I feel sorry for this pilot and hope that he can put this behind him soon.
“You crashed and your callsign is Top Gun??”
“Well Sir, I never said I was Top Pilot!”
0:53 ooooooh they NEVER goona let him live that down lol
@C.W. Lemoine - Great breakdown on how this F-22 Raptor mishap/accident happened and the causes that led to it. NOT a rookie pilot (interesting). Quote"At sea level not a problem, at 4,000 feet - problem!" Feel bad for "Skidmeister" glad the pilots were retrained.
lol, the first picture almost looks like clickbait. I mean it's not every day that you see an F-22 just sitting on a runway in such a state.
I always thought it was silly to retract gear before the takeoff sequence is completed and the aircraft is clear of the runway. If you have a long runway, it probably doesn't hurt to get a little extra speed IGE with gear down before climbing.
Any qualified fast jet pilot is not a “rookie”, they might be on a conversion course and so a “rookie” on type, and surly with an aircraft that cost so much they would have a state of the art simulator that they would have spent many many hours in the sim and classroom until they were deemed ready for solo flying in the F-22, that’s assuming that there isn’t a twin seat trainer version, so, all in all I would suggest that if this accident is not the first of its type then either the training is not good enough or the manufacturers have missed an inherent problem. Now to see what the accident report says and see if I am anywhere near the actual conclusions. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
Ok, so I got some of the factors correct, not perfect but nearly, so it, as usual, comes down to pilot error and unfamiliarity with the physical characteristics of the base he was flying from, poor instrument use, and only using visual signals to control his actions during the takeoff sequence.
Most importantly is the amount of work he has caused the ground-crew, and as a 24 year veteran of the RAF as a aircraft tech I can tell you with 99.9% certainty they would be pretty damn pissed at the pilot, I hope he bought the ground-crew a substantial amount of beer to say how sorry he was.
In my experience fast jet pilots are arrogant, overconfident in his abilities, and become complacent (sorry no insult to you intended), but then I am a rotary wing man through and through with a small streak of heavies running around my bloodstream.
Thanks for sharing this interesting and informative film, never like seeing an injured aircraft but at least this one should fly again.
It appears to me that this expensive fix possibly was a cheap escape. An intact airframe with an alert/alive pilot was able to be used to find training and behavioral errors that was caught just in time. Multiple B Class had already been in error. Some munched metal just saved a lot of future jets & pilots with the knowledge gained.
I always appreciated the skill our pilots displayed. Each one I worked with was no Maverick cowboy. To the contrary; they were confident, bold, and professional, maybe the kind of thing one would want in a fighter pilot. I guess that doesn't fit today's world narrative about those who serve.
>I guess that doesn't fit today's world narrative about those who serve.
Absolutely right on the mark here. To paraphrase Walter J. Boyne, the media is rarely fair to our military.
Thank you for clearing the facts. Media is seriously fu#ked up, you don't just go calling anyone a noob just because they had an accident.
The fact that this pilot is in a F22 and the person writing the article has probably got zero knowledge about piloting a plane let alone a jet fighter really needs to get their facts right before accusing the pilot.
This is literally defamy and the reporter should apologies to the pilot....
Thank you again for staying the facts. Love your vids
In the early 2000's i was stationed at SJAFB in Goldsboro, NC. 4th Fighter Wing. 333rd FS, working on F-15Es
Had a pilot try to land with the gear up. I cant remember how far he drug the belly of the aircraft down the runway, but he ground down several of the sway braces on both CFT's, ground down the metal on both augmenters, and nearly ground away the aft-most bare titanium panels, under the jet engines. it was bad...
I remember entering the hangar, and seeing the jet on jacks, thinking damn, somebody's hatin' life right now. Only to turn the corner and realize it was MY tail number. 86-0190...
We were down for a few months, the hardest part of the rebuild was finding new panels to replace the ones that had been almost completely destroyed under the airplane. finally got it back together, and wouldn't you know it, the first pilot to start the engines after the rebuild, was the guy that drug it across the runway.
One flight, came back code-3(flightline-speak for broke), and went down as the "cann-bird", where other jets got to rummage through mine for all my brand new parts. good times!!
Admit it...we all pull up too soon once in a while.
you mean pull out late i think
Even as a Private Pilot with a Complex Rating the takeoff checklist says gear retraction after a positive rate climb indicated on the VSI
I think the first mistake is calling this an "article" and thinking of the source as some sort of news outlet. This whole thing is barely a blog post.
As a former military air traffic controller and having gone to the CAOC air space school at Hurlburt Field. I was wondering if you could explain the the process of transition from the ATC environment to the target area, in your combat experience. What was the chain of control/communications? ie- clearance, ground, tower, departure, then what did you report to? (all the way to the target and back).
This pilot’s new call sign should be “Road Rash”. 😂👍
Nah “skid master”
@@breazy1643 there's already one "Skidmark"
This F-22 was already repaired and brought back for service by Lockheed Martin last year.
@steve jones a few dollars and change.
Chaz Gunther Probably cost a little bit of money to do that, like several tens of millions of dollars.
The first thing I learned on my mountain flying checkout, way back is to ignore the outside visual cues and use the airspeed indicator, because it will show the proper landing and take-off speeds, regardless of the density altitude.
Those trees sure go by fast on a summer day at South Lake Tahoe airport (elevation 6266 feet, easily 9000 feet density altitude on summer days), but when the airspeed indicator hits the usual rotation speed (plus some safety margin), I can climb out safely. Same for landing speed.
Nice to see the record more set straight. Negligence sure but not the mythical scenario suggested by the article.
Oh boy... This was about 50 miles from me, surprised I didn't hear about it a little sooner.
Hey Bub. Just finished your 2 Alex Shepherd Series Books and am excited if there will be a 3rd coming. About this mishap, good news is A/C 37 is back in service after some time servicing and repairs. She's back up and running with her AMU so next time you run Red Air, maybe you'll see it!
Kinda interesting how in-depth the official accident report went into organizational shortcomings.
Guess I'm kinda used to the "You fucked up, you go under the bus. Pilot error. Case closed" mentality.
Well when your one jet costs that much, you make damn sure that it doesn't happen again.
Great break down good to hear pilot still flying
*changes callsign to "Sierra Tango Alpha Lima Lima"*
REALPILOT99 S.T.A.L.L
Bit long is it now
I suddenly had visions of Urkel getting out of the cockpit and saying, "did I do that?"
“Son your ego is writing checks your body can’t cash!”