The Noble Savage bullshit myth is as damaging to learning as The Dirty Savage bullshit myth. Read the history of the Pequot war, then King Philip's War, then King William's War, in that order. You will see Tribes acting just like European states, duplicitous diplomacy, changing sides for personal gain, teaming up with the English to wipe out their neighbors who they hate like poison...it's almost like they were human beings...
One of my favorite movies is The Last of the Mohicans, and one of the many reasons why is the way it very casually portrays the indigenous tribes who fought in the French and Indian War as nations with their own agendas.
I'm so glad that @AtunSheiFilms shared your video. This is super thoughtfully done and so helpful in digesting this movie. Great work, and definitely subscribing for more indigenous history!
Great video, but the audio mixing was a bit iffy. For most of the video it was so quiet that I had to put my volume all the way up to hear properly, which worked fine until the clip of Patience screaming in agony started lmao
Interesting. I listened to it on my Android phone with its internal speaker and had no trouble whatsoever. Sound mixing seems to be a very demanding craft as the sound comes out different on each device.
Excellent review, and such a powerful finale! I came here via Atun Shei's community page, i'm going to dive deeper into your content. Looking forward to it.
@9:16...the Wampanoag man - John Sassamon- who was murdered by the other Wampanoag men was killed after he warned the Plymouth colony about Metacom's planned attack. You're flipping the [immediate] causation.
Is there any alternate history stories out there about how indigenous people maintain sovereignty? I read a book one time called “rivers of war” by Eric flint. It deals with a timeline where the trail of tears is avoided and the tribes voluntarily move to the area of Arkansas. Just seeing if you happen to know any given the idea that things didn’t have to go the way they did. Also if you were to write an alternate history for indigenous history, where would you look at?
Alternative history hub did a video like that. Basically nordic settlement persisted, or lasted longer. This gave the native populations earlier exposure to some of the diseases europeans brought and gave the natives time to rebuild their populations before the colonial age. Also earlier exposure to steel weapons, horses, and metal working. This would have changed first contact between natives and the French/English in a big way. The admits it's all conjecture, but that's what all Alternative history is and still interesting to think about.
Unfortunately, I don’t read enough fiction (yes, I know, I’m boring and I’m working on fixing that), so I don’t have any suggestions. But in regards to your question about where I would look for if I were to write an alternate history, gosh there are so many options. The Haudenosaunee were a kingpin in the northeast for centuries. They successfully played New France and New England off against each other for a long time and they were the real power brokers. It wasn’t until the conditions of the American Revolution caused internal disunity for the first time in centuries, that they lost that powerful role. So an alternate history there is what would’ve happened if they stayed united during the Revolution. Another one is the Plains. Plains nations were incredibly powerful and able to either hold off settler encroachment or dictate it on their terms for decades. It wasn’t until their food source the bison were depleted that they lost their power. The bison were depleted due to demand for bison furs back east, but there’s a reality where eastern businesses bought bison furs from the tribes rather than sending their own agents to kill the bison themselves, so there’s another one to explore. There are plenty of others too.
Kim Stanley Robinson wrote an expansive alternate history novel entitled "The Years of Rice and Salt." It imagines a world in which the population of Europe was essentially wiped out by the bubonic plague. The novel is divided into 10 parts, each of which documents different characters, regions, and eras of this alternate history. The book does not extensively cover an alternate indigenous history, focusing instead on the peoples of the Middle East, India, and China, but indigenous people do maintain sovereignty and form a major alliance across much of North and Central America. The book calls this alliance the Haudenosaunee League, and it is ends up becoming one of the major hegemonic powers of the modern world in this alternate history.
Well put. As a mixed person myself with Pilgram ancestry, I have thought for a long time of the waste and horror of the genocidal history of not just the US, but of the world. Imagine the cool blended cultures that could have existed!
Funny regarding the subject of head taking. The Japanese used to do this during the Kamakura and Ashikaga Shohunates as well as during the the Sengoku Jidai. In fact, they would have full on ceremonies to the point where Samurai going into battle would doll themselves up so their head was presentable in the case of their death. But a collected Samurai head could elevate a lowly Ashigaru to Samurai status. Where it gets fucked up is when they would roll into towns or villages, cut off the heads of lowly peasants, spiff up the head to make them look like a fallen Samurai in order to cheat the system and this happened very frequently.
This is some really excellent work. I'm studying indigenous history as my focus in university right now with most of my recent research being on Wabanaki-Colonial relations in the early 18th century, and have missed making youtube videos like I used to. This is a big inspiration and I might go ahead and try my hand at it as well! Excited to see what you put out next.
Fantastic video, and a great companion to a stellar movie. I really appreciated the added historical context, and like others have said, the last section of this essay were so powerful. Having grown up in small Washington "town" in between two reservations and sharing a school and resources with the tribes always made me feel so at odds with our history, and you're right: our history is the choices we made, and those choices create reverberations throughout time that we have to continue to live with to this day. But I also think its worth remembering that we all have agency in how we continue on from here as well, and its important to acknowledge our role in the continuation of trauma or the healing of it, even at the microscopic scale. Also, on a technical note, I had to blast my speakers to hear you clearly. I hope you can find a way to increase your audio volume for the next videos!
I like AtunShei, so I was interested in your review, never watched your channel before. Good review, however your sound is mixed too low. I needed to pump my volume all the way up, and every commercial nearly blew out my speakers. But other than that, good job!
Immediate like and subscribe! A++++++!!! This was an amazingly informative video and really brings a whole new layer of context to the movie that I wasn’t aware of! I knew that the movie had commentary about race, but Flora’s more central role made it seem like there was more of a focus on slavery. It wasn’t until this video and the one line, “You realize that indigeneity is present in every scene of the film.” that made me rethink the whole movie. And then the last part of the video! Striking at the heart stupid arguments trying to justify the brutality of the past. My main counter to anyone that tries to use the, “Oh, that’s just how it was back then.” has always been pointing to abolitionists, to other societies that did what was so unacceptable to others. Your commentary at the end of the video about how our world could’ve been so much different without the indigenous genocide was so powerful! Thank you for an amazing video!
@@IndigenousHistoryNow. Awesome ! Thank you..I know much about them though some things I would like to know..such as which exact tribe Osceola was related to..they say he was Creek only Creek is a term covering various tribes. I have Miccosukee family and, unless I'm mistaken has Yuchee people within the tribe. It would be great to find out all the smaller tribes that moved to Florida and became what we know as Seminole and Miccosukee. I know there are two language groups with the Florida tribes.. Muskogee and Hitchi. You may already know these things I just like to say what I know and exchange thoughts and views. Keep up the good work ! 👍
Wow well done. So rare to see videos here with that brake down. Ever American needs this education and connection to the land an bodys they sleep on every night. As a mixed person of indigenous slave decent in Colorado and NM aka Genizaro unknown hidden forgot people.
It's so stupid that Christians throw a fit about this film. I'm a conservative Christian myself, and I found that it actually validated my worldview. My interpretation of the film was that spirits, witches, and the Devil are real in it. This movie was clearly shot from the worldview perspective of an English Puritan settler, and how they would conceptualize witches. It has all kinds of little brilliant easter eggs like Satan and demons presenting themselves as angels of light - that's straight out of Scripture. I'm sort of sick of the horror movies that take a bait and switch approach and dangle a monster in front of you, only to tell you that it was your imagination all along. This rather took an ontological approach that there is a real, mysterious supernatural universe out there. Excellently done.
I really liked Andrew's acting in this. Completely over the top. But it makes sense in the context of the role he's playing. (Spoiler) A puppet controlled by a vexed and vengeful witch.
Common mistake in English - it's "as boot" not "to boot" Boot - booty - is a treasure, money, bounty, etc. When you make an offer to someone and throw in something, as an incentive - you're offering as boot. "I'll give you a weeks vacation and I'll even throw in a company car, *AS BOOT.*" ie-"I'll throw in a company car, as an insensitive."
People should learn more about indigenous politics. It really puts things into perspective.
Yeah like how they still practiced slavery after the civil war.
The Noble Savage bullshit myth is as damaging to learning as The Dirty Savage bullshit myth. Read the history of the Pequot war, then King Philip's War, then King William's War, in that order. You will see Tribes acting just like European states, duplicitous diplomacy, changing sides for personal gain, teaming up with the English to wipe out their neighbors who they hate like poison...it's almost like they were human beings...
Agreed native political if new England explain why certain alliances made sense
One of my favorite movies is The Last of the Mohicans, and one of the many reasons why is the way it very casually portrays the indigenous tribes who fought in the French and Indian War as nations with their own agendas.
I'm so glad that @AtunSheiFilms shared your video. This is super thoughtfully done and so helpful in digesting this movie.
Great work, and definitely subscribing for more indigenous history!
Finally got around to seeing your review and I was not disappointed! I especially loved your analysis and commentary at the end. Very well done!
This channel tickles my history bone just so. Thank you for the uploads
Great video, but the audio mixing was a bit iffy. For most of the video it was so quiet that I had to put my volume all the way up to hear properly, which worked fine until the clip of Patience screaming in agony started lmao
Interesting. I listened to it on my Android phone with its internal speaker and had no trouble whatsoever. Sound mixing seems to be a very demanding craft as the sound comes out different on each device.
Excellent review, and such a powerful finale! I came here via Atun Shei's community page, i'm going to dive deeper into your content. Looking forward to it.
Just discovered your channel withrhis video and am looking forward to seeing what else your channel has to offer.
@9:16...the Wampanoag man - John Sassamon- who was murdered by the other Wampanoag men was killed after he warned the Plymouth colony about Metacom's planned attack. You're flipping the [immediate] causation.
Is there any alternate history stories out there about how indigenous people maintain sovereignty? I read a book one time called “rivers of war” by Eric flint. It deals with a timeline where the trail of tears is avoided and the tribes voluntarily move to the area of Arkansas. Just seeing if you happen to know any given the idea that things didn’t have to go the way they did. Also if you were to write an alternate history for indigenous history, where would you look at?
The Gate of Worlds by Robert Silverberg is on my reading list for pursuing just this premise (apparently very well)
Alternative history hub did a video like that.
Basically nordic settlement persisted, or lasted longer. This gave the native populations earlier exposure to some of the diseases europeans brought and gave the natives time to rebuild their populations before the colonial age.
Also earlier exposure to steel weapons, horses, and metal working. This would have changed first contact between natives and the French/English in a big way.
The admits it's all conjecture, but that's what all Alternative history is and still interesting to think about.
Unfortunately, I don’t read enough fiction (yes, I know, I’m boring and I’m working on fixing that), so I don’t have any suggestions. But in regards to your question about where I would look for if I were to write an alternate history, gosh there are so many options. The Haudenosaunee were a kingpin in the northeast for centuries. They successfully played New France and New England off against each other for a long time and they were the real power brokers. It wasn’t until the conditions of the American Revolution caused internal disunity for the first time in centuries, that they lost that powerful role. So an alternate history there is what would’ve happened if they stayed united during the Revolution.
Another one is the Plains. Plains nations were incredibly powerful and able to either hold off settler encroachment or dictate it on their terms for decades. It wasn’t until their food source the bison were depleted that they lost their power. The bison were depleted due to demand for bison furs back east, but there’s a reality where eastern businesses bought bison furs from the tribes rather than sending their own agents to kill the bison themselves, so there’s another one to explore.
There are plenty of others too.
Kim Stanley Robinson wrote an expansive alternate history novel entitled "The Years of Rice and Salt." It imagines a world in which the population of Europe was essentially wiped out by the bubonic plague. The novel is divided into 10 parts, each of which documents different characters, regions, and eras of this alternate history.
The book does not extensively cover an alternate indigenous history, focusing instead on the peoples of the Middle East, India, and China, but indigenous people do maintain sovereignty and form a major alliance across much of North and Central America. The book calls this alliance the Haudenosaunee League, and it is ends up becoming one of the major hegemonic powers of the modern world in this alternate history.
Well put. As a mixed person myself with Pilgram ancestry, I have thought for a long time of the waste and horror of the genocidal history of not just the US, but of the world. Imagine the cool blended cultures that could have existed!
Funny regarding the subject of head taking. The Japanese used to do this during the Kamakura and Ashikaga Shohunates as well as during the the Sengoku Jidai. In fact, they would have full on ceremonies to the point where Samurai going into battle would doll themselves up so their head was presentable in the case of their death. But a collected Samurai head could elevate a lowly Ashigaru to Samurai status.
Where it gets fucked up is when they would roll into towns or villages, cut off the heads of lowly peasants, spiff up the head to make them look like a fallen Samurai in order to cheat the system and this happened very frequently.
This is some really excellent work. I'm studying indigenous history as my focus in university right now with most of my recent research being on Wabanaki-Colonial relations in the early 18th century, and have missed making youtube videos like I used to. This is a big inspiration and I might go ahead and try my hand at it as well! Excited to see what you put out next.
Fantastic video, and a great companion to a stellar movie. I really appreciated the added historical context, and like others have said, the last section of this essay were so powerful. Having grown up in small Washington "town" in between two reservations and sharing a school and resources with the tribes always made me feel so at odds with our history, and you're right: our history is the choices we made, and those choices create reverberations throughout time that we have to continue to live with to this day. But I also think its worth remembering that we all have agency in how we continue on from here as well, and its important to acknowledge our role in the continuation of trauma or the healing of it, even at the microscopic scale.
Also, on a technical note, I had to blast my speakers to hear you clearly. I hope you can find a way to increase your audio volume for the next videos!
This review is a bitter pill to take, but a much needed one. As a Christian, thank you.
I like AtunShei, so I was interested in your review, never watched your channel before. Good review, however your sound is mixed too low. I needed to pump my volume all the way up, and every commercial nearly blew out my speakers. But other than that, good job!
this was so well done. and incredibly important- thank you for sharing and for all your hard work.
Thank you for this vid, i found it interesting and that ending hit me in the guts.
Another cool history channel? My backlog cant handle this :(
Immediate like and subscribe! A++++++!!! This was an amazingly informative video and really brings a whole new layer of context to the movie that I wasn’t aware of!
I knew that the movie had commentary about race, but Flora’s more central role made it seem like there was more of a focus on slavery. It wasn’t until this video and the one line, “You realize that indigeneity is present in every scene of the film.” that made me rethink the whole movie.
And then the last part of the video! Striking at the heart stupid arguments trying to justify the brutality of the past. My main counter to anyone that tries to use the, “Oh, that’s just how it was back then.” has always been pointing to abolitionists, to other societies that did what was so unacceptable to others.
Your commentary at the end of the video about how our world could’ve been so much different without the indigenous genocide was so powerful! Thank you for an amazing video!
The audio is good. The history seems sound. This seems worth your time
did an ai write this
@@oedipamaas2067yeah that's a good question
Hey friend, the audio mixing of the this video appears to be coming in extremely quiet.
As many other commenters have said, Atun-Shei's channel sent me here but you got me to subscribe. FANTASTIC stuff! 👏👏👏
After watching it, i interpreted the devil at the end as the Jersey Devil. Not sure if it's exactly the right part of the country though
Thanks for the video(s). Will any be done on the Florida tribes ?
Not for a while, but yes I will get around to that region
@@IndigenousHistoryNow. Awesome ! Thank you..I know much about them though some things I would like to know..such as which exact tribe Osceola was related to..they say he was Creek only Creek is a term covering various tribes. I have Miccosukee family and, unless I'm mistaken has Yuchee people within the tribe. It would be great to find out all the smaller tribes that moved to Florida and became what we know as Seminole and Miccosukee. I know there are two language groups with the Florida tribes.. Muskogee and Hitchi. You may already know these things I just like to say what I know and exchange thoughts and views. Keep up the good work ! 👍
Wow well done.
So rare to see videos here with that brake down. Ever American needs this education and connection to the land an bodys they sleep on every night.
As a mixed person of indigenous slave decent in Colorado and NM aka Genizaro unknown hidden forgot people.
Going to try and get to this over the weekend. Looking forward to your take!
Andrew sent me here, but you got me to subscribe.
We are all cousins in the family of Man. 🇨🇦
Excellent review!
Great presentation!
Ho hum ! Standard film ! It's your view , and everyone has one !
It's so stupid that Christians throw a fit about this film. I'm a conservative Christian myself, and I found that it actually validated my worldview. My interpretation of the film was that spirits, witches, and the Devil are real in it. This movie was clearly shot from the worldview perspective of an English Puritan settler, and how they would conceptualize witches. It has all kinds of little brilliant easter eggs like Satan and demons presenting themselves as angels of light - that's straight out of Scripture. I'm sort of sick of the horror movies that take a bait and switch approach and dangle a monster in front of you, only to tell you that it was your imagination all along. This rather took an ontological approach that there is a real, mysterious supernatural universe out there. Excellently done.
Welcome to Cumston.
I really liked Andrew's acting in this. Completely over the top. But it makes sense in the context of the role he's playing.
(Spoiler)
A puppet controlled by a vexed and vengeful witch.
30:07 😲 Omg. This is genocide!
OMG GENOCIDE!!!! TW NSFW AGE RESTRICTION 🔞🔞🔞🔞🔞 OMG!!!!
Common mistake in English - it's "as boot" not "to boot"
Boot - booty - is a treasure, money, bounty, etc. When you make an offer to someone and throw in something, as an incentive - you're offering as boot.
"I'll give you a weeks vacation and I'll even throw in a company car, *AS BOOT.*"
ie-"I'll throw in a company car, as an insensitive."
Wow a channel dedicated to history's biggest losers. Clearly ole Sherman missed a spot.
A Non-Indigenous person, culturally appropriating Indigenous culture, how American of you.
this dude is evil dream
42nd
Dude - you need to talk more slang. I dont get it