DEBATE: 'Sunni' Boldly Challenges Shia on Umar Attacking Fatima
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- A caller challenges Ali al-Habib on the Shi'a narrative of the attack on the house of Lady Fatima (peace be upon her), specifically on where Imam Ali (peace be upon him) was during the attack.
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You can see how much love he has for imam Ali (as) when he called him a coward May Allah bless you Ali
We will give our lives a thousand times for our Master Imam Ali a.s. for the Ahlul bayt a.s. Ya Haydari!
I'm a shia, but to be fair he didn't call imam Ali a coward, he said that the hadith portays him as such. And his conclusion is misplaced since he doesn't understand a crucial thing. His question was, why didn't imam Ali as answer the door and let fatima as answer the door instead. The answer to that is: it was fatimas as role to answer the door and sacrifice herself for Islam just like imam Hussein as sacrificied himself Islam.
@@alial-fatlawi5565 that’s the dumbest thing I ever heard the “sword of Allah” let someone kill his wife infornt of him and did nothing even I a normal Muslim will lunge and sacrifice myself for my wife and fight till the death lol you shia truly be little Ali ra and he is free form you
Yes we love Imam ali
lets it be known, no Muslim, sunni or shia, believe that Hazrat Ali was a coward
What was umar doing at the door in the first place, threatening the prophets daughter just after the prophet's demise, doesn't Sunnis hold him accountable for his action or Sunnis scholars are so blind that they have no choice but to defend umar so that they can for generations claim what happened at Shaqifa to be legitimate. And all for what, power struggle and greed to rule the Muslim ummah. Wow what an example and impression the senior companions have left behind History can really be cruel.
Sunnis reject the whole incident in the first place
@@mesutozil7903 Proof Evidence No 1 Narrated Muhammad bin Bashir from Ubaidllah bin Umar from Zaid bin Aslam that his father Aslam said: ‘When the homage (baya) went to Abu Bakr after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and Zubair were entering into the house of Fatima to consult her and revise their issue, so when Umar came to know about that, he went to Fatima and said : ‘Oh daughter of Messenger of Allah, no one is dearest to us more than your father and no one dearest to us after your father than you, I swear by Allah, if these people gathered in your house then nothing will prevent me from giving order to burn the house and those who are inside."
Ref: Musnaf of Imam Ibn Abi Shebah, volume 7, page 432, tradition 37045.
All the narrators are authentic as they are the narrators of Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim. Muhammad bin Bashir: Imam Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v2 p159), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p58). Ubaidllah bin Umar: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v1 p685), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p637). Zaid bin Aslam: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Hujja’ (Siar alam alnubala, v5 p316), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p326). Aslam al-Qurashi (the slave of Umar): Al-Dhahabi said: 'Faqih, Imam' (Siar alam alnubala, v4 p98), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p88).
Proof Evidence No 2 “…Abu Bakr questioned about those who had refused to pay allegiance to him and had gathered near Ali like Abbas, Zubair and Sa’d Ibn Ubaadah, who were sitting in the house of Fatimah, refusing to pay allegiance. Abu Bakr dispatched Umar Ibn Khattaab to them. Umar went to the house of Fatimah and screamed (inviting them to come out of the house to pay allegiance). They refused to come out of the house. At this juncture, Umar called for firewood and said, ‘I swear by the One in whose hand is Umar’s life! Come
out of the house or else I will burn down the house along with its inmates! One person said to Umar, ‘O Aba Hafs (referring to Umar’s agnomen)! Fatimah is in this house.’ Umar shot back, ‘Even if Fatimah is in this house, I will burn it " down...'
Ref: A’laam al-Nisaa Fi Alam Al Arab Wal Islam, by Umar Reza Kahhaaleh, a contemporary Sunni scholar, page 115.
According to research science analysis in the first report no 1 and 2 Umar clearly states by his own testimony that constitute an admission of Guilt that he was at the door threatening to burn her house regardless who she was or who the other occupants were in the house, he would still burn the house.
If you look at the second report he called for firewood that's pure evidence and took an oath that he was adamant to burn her house by threatening to get a forced allegiance unless they would surrender to his demands so that he could legitimatise Abu bakr's succession to power.
This is enough evidence for anyone who is not a fool or blind sided to ignore or be in denial to see umar's flagrant violation and transgressions of there rights and privacy according to the law.
Further more let me add here umar's statement addressing the prophet's daughter by saying ‘Oh daughter of Messenger of Allah, no one is dearest to us more than your father and no one dearest to us after your father than you, I swear by Allah, if these people gathered in your house then nothing will prevent me from giving order to burn the house and those who are inside."
This blatantly shows Umar's perfidious and hypocritical attitude towards the prophet's daughter and at all counts he should be held accountable for his nefarious behavior but again Sunni's don't believe in Truth justice transparency this doesn't exist in their belief system. So you can go on believing and be denial that this whole incident is fabricated and never took place but to the contrary and reality the Sunni's scholars would have liked to wish that this whole incident would just go away that it never happen or you for that matter can bury your head in the sand like the Ostrich do till the end of times and nothing would change. The narrators are authentic according to the approved standards and criteria met by both Bukhari and Muslim.
What I last remember they are still your Scholars and books right.? Sunni Scholars have used internalized indoctrination to keep you fooled. As it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled. Go in peace and I hope that some day you will open up your third eye and understand with intellect the facade of Sunni Islam, by standing up with the Truthful Ones before it's too late.
All praise is to Allah.
@@investigativeforensicscien4622 u didnt quote the whole narration from ibn abi shaybah u only quoted half. Even in that narration Umar didnt attack Fatimah infact in that narration Fatimah tells Ali to go and pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr and then Ali did just that ! So the narration mentions nothing about any attack it just proves our point that Ali pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr 🙂
@@mesutozil7903 The bone of contention is umar threatening the prophet's daughter to burn her house and that even with firewood by his own admission that's being guilty as charged and it does not make sense that the prophet's daughter tells Ali ibn Abu Talb to go pledge allegiance to Abu bakr because there are discrepancies to your logic and in contradiction in accordance with the research of forensic science.
@@investigativeforensicscien4622 in the narration the threat was made to ali and zubair not fatimah so dont distort it. Secondly if u are sending the narration to prove your point then u have to accept it all or reject it all, you cant take the bit that suits u and reject the bit that goes against u i.e Ali pledging allegiance !
I think the caller shouldn’t be too concerned about imam Ali a.s’ reaction time but should be concerned that he takes his religion from a person who thinks it’s acceptable to call rasoolilah saw delirious and also make a threat to attack and burn his daughter
The fact that he admits Umar actually came to the door shows they've accepted the attack on Faima A.S by Umar.
There's is no door at that time
@@zeeq4817 doors were made of straw
@@zeeq4817 go have some research on it
@@mohdzaidi4647 don't listen zakirs go and search in al qafi mullah baqir majlisi book
Exactly what was he doing at the house of the daughter of the prophet? Why does it matter where imam Ali was or what he did? What if he wasn’t home where would Umar get the audacity to even come within miles of the holy lady of the heavens. This is their ideology it’s ok for a man to even consider talking to lady Fatima never mind attacking her. Who in their right mind can call themself a Muslim and actually listen to this nonsense.
Brother Ali al-Habib dealt with him accordingly. Rectified the misconception, then knocked him out with the cowardice of Uthman. May Allah bless the Rafida team.
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731 Stupid comments it does not say anywhere where Imam Ali was ok.So don't make stories up belive your Sunnis books they are your Books.And it also says he sat on Umar so what then.And how does it make Umar look good first he batters his Sister for reading the Quran then trying to kill the Prophet.Then this why is it hard to believe Umar did these things from day one .Sunni Imams colleted this history as well as Shia.So I don't understand why you making up stories to make Umar look good.Stick to facts its like my saying Umar was on the roof he was on a horse or hiding at the back of the garden.
@@khalafyousef3731
If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 65
days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot...
You will see a conspiracy building up.
The hyprocrites had a plan,
The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s
قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده .
Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '.
المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142
قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد،
Hakim says this hadith is sahih
وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح
Zahabi says this hadith is sahih
There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s.
Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role.
Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds.
That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer?
That Fatima is in the house.
Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!!
So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers.
Hope that is clear?
I don't think that it is a known sahih Hadith for sure even by shia, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We really have no way of knowing
@@principlemethods5281
The methodology used to ascertain facts when investigating a criminal offence
When the police are conducting an investigation there are five crucial questions that they will ask themselves:
Does this report have any foundation to merit an investigation?
Has a crime been committed?
Is there an identifiable victim and perpetrator?
Do we have any eye witness testimony to the event?
Is the eye witness a man of truth?
If the answer to all the above is yes, then the next question they will ask themselves is whether there exists any supporting evidence is available to support the original report? This supporting evidence does not necessarily need to be as strong, the police already have a firm grounding to take forward a prosecution, and supporting materials might merely confirm what the main eye witness has stated. There might be conflicting accounts about the character of these witnesses, but the fact of the matter is they are merely confirming what the main witness saw; their testimony provides grounds with which to charge the suspect.
Is that clear?
I use to be sunni but Alhamdulillah now a shia after learning about 12 khalifas ع
What's so sad is This guy is so comfortable reading and saying that they threatened to burn then house of the daughter of the Prophet (saw) and dont even see anything wrong with that... Whether Imam Ali (AS) did something or not it's irrelevant... Does he know who lady Fatima (AS) is?.. In that house it was "the nafs of the Prophet (saw), the leader of the women of paradise, the 2 leaders of the youth of paradise", and someone threatens to burn them in the house and you look passed and talk about it with such pride like its nothing... Sad really
I think you're missing the point, sunnis dismiss the whole incident as a lie and fabrication. Shias who accept the narration must also accept that it makes imam Ali look VERY BAD indeed for sending his wife to the door and not going himself when Umar told Ali to come out
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@mesutozil7903 By that logic, Imam Hussain looks “very bad indeed” for bringing his son Ali Asghar out to be slain by the arrow of Hurmala.
Listen to your own foolishness. The Masumeen present trials in front of the very people who oppose them, in order that 1) they may be able to repent for their sins even towards the very end, or 2) all of history can bear witness to the evils of said people, and stand as a testament to the willingness of the Masum to live and die by their ideals
That is why the Yazidi commander Hurr passed his trial with flying colors, and yet Umar ibn Khattab did not: Hurr was given a choice to murder Imam Hussain’s family and he refused, but Umar was given a chance to harm Lady Fatima and he attacked her, over the love of Caliphate and Dunya
And there will be a reckoning for all of these crimes. None of us can flee from the Day of Judgement
@@mesutozil7903
«وَ لَوْ كُنْتُ وَجَدْتُ يَوْمَ بُويِعَ (أَخُو تَيْمٍ) أَرْبَعِينَ رَجُلًا مُطِيعِينَ لَجَاهَدْتُهُم»
Imam ali said that if he had 40 men he would've fought back
Do you think the man who lifted the door of khaybar couldn't punish a bunch of cowards who ran away in the war of uhud ?
For Islam to remain he was not allowed to fight
@@ehsanmousawi2998 oh poor imam ali didnt even have 40 people to support him? He had the whole of banu hashim, he had maalik bin nuwayrah according to shias, in other reports it says abu sufyaan was willing to raise an army and support imam Ali so you really cant say he didnt even have 40 supporters !
@Rafida Plus… it’s an absolute honor to be called a RAFIDHI.. ♥️
Thank u sir for clearing the answer I was searching for a very long..been a shia i was never getting a proper response or answer....Ya Ali (As) Madad
madad is not a good thing to say
THERE WERE NO WOODEN DOORS AT THAT TIME, THEY HAD ONLY COURTAIN AT DOORS,AS WE SEE IN QURAN
@@iMan-610 where in the Quran?
@@iMan-610it has been mention by Bukhari out side the door to set fire that’s enough- makka had door 🚪 and each of the house - don’t bring nonsense from Quran
Once bukhari mention Ummar set fire and befor that he said if you don’t come out I will set fire 🔥 that’s enough reason to lead Ummar as kaffer no more discussion
So a Bakri who also takes Ali as his caliph admits to
- Umar actually burned the house and was responsible for Fatima’s death
- Ali actually attacked umar and calls his own leader a coward
Conclusion the Bakris are proper confused - they want me to follow the 3 goons
Salaam alaykum brother, May Allah swt reward you for all your efforts in defending and protecting the truth, the masoomeen, the Ahlul bayt a.s.
Amazing brother! JazakAllah! Waiting for ur film impatiently!! 😍😍❤️❤️👍
May Allah grant u guys success in every field of this life and the hereafter! ❤️
You could tell how angry Adam was that he wasn’t able to provide a coherent response. He kept repeating the same bs over and over again. Typical Sunni defence mechanism
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731 Would you be willing to swear on your mother’s life and on your Akhirah that you watched the entire video and payed attention to Al-Habib’s arguments before sending me this paragraph?
@@khalafyousef3731 Cuz Umar was supposedly a sahaba and talking to a sahaba is allowed in Islam? why is that an issue? he already came 3 times. The question you should be asking is why the Hell would Umar assemble men and go to the house of daughter of prophet pbuh.
Fatima (as) gave them a chance to back down as they are not going to listen to Ali (as) so thats why she went to the door…but maybe if they were truly muslims and loved their prophet (saw) they would not anger or attack his daughter..Ali (as) reacted after this there is nothing cowardly or delayed about it..its intentional and everything happens by the will of Allah
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731 his comment literally answered your question before you asked it.
@@khalafyousef3731
@رامي عيسى اسد السنة
If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 55
days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot...
You will see a conspiracy building up.
The hyprocrites had a plan,
The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s
قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده .
Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '.
المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142
قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد،
Hakim says this hadith is sahih
وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح
Zahabi says this hadith is sahih
There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s.
Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role.
Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds.
That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer?
That Fatima is in the house.
Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!!
So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers.
Hope that is clear?
@@principlemethods5281
Please just report his comment for spam brother. He is repeating that copy-pasta nonsense all over this thread
May Allah bless you & reward you🙏
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@user-zx4bo7hc2s ها رامي خيسى شسوي هنا في تعليقات
@@user-zx4bo7hc2s and then imam Ali as grab him and could kill him 😂
Based on the Quran :
A fitting reply to those who ask why Ali a.s.did not defend his family when Fatima a.s.was attacked.
Surah 48:25
Narrated to us Muzaffar bin Jafar bin Muzaffar Alawi, he said, Narrated to us Jafar bin Muhammad bin Masud from his father, he from Ali bin Muhammad from Ahmad bin Muhammad from Hasan bin Mahboob from Ibrahim Karkhi that he said:
I asked Abi Abdullah a.s. or someone asked him: “May Allah give you a good reward, was Ali a.s. not firm in the religion of Allah? He replied: Yes. , he was firm and strong. The narrator asked “ Then how could the people subdue him and he did not defend himself and neither did he stop them? The imam said, “There is a verse in the Book of Allah which stopped him from it”. What verse is that? asked the narrator. Imam a.s. said:
Quran Surah 48:25
They are the ones who disbelieved and barred you from the Holy Mosque and the offering, detained so as not to reach its place of sacrifice. If it had not been for certain men believers and certain women believers whom you knew not, lest you should trample them, and there befall you guilt unwittingly on their account (that God may admit into His mercy whom He will), had they been separated clearly, then We would have chastised the unbelievers among them with a painful chastisement.
“………..Had they been widely separated one from another, We would surely have punished those who disbelieved from among them with a painful punishment.”
It was so because the believing trusts of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime were present in the loins of the infidels and hypocrites, therefore it was not possible for Ali a.s. to kill their ancestors till the trusts do not take birth. When the trusts came out ,Ali a.s. attacked them and eliminated them. In the same way the reappearance of Imam Mahdi a.s. will not take place till the trusts of Allah do not take birth. After that he would subdue his opponents and eliminate them.
From Kamal al deen wa tamam al naemah and tafseer Qummi.
Forgive me, but I am not really understanding the conclusion drawn from your citations here
I was always unintelligent 🤷♂️
@@corpsefoot758 The descendants of the hypocrites and disbelivers could be good Muslims who are yet to tale birth. When there are going to be no muslims among the descendants then the punishment would befall them
I love when people call me a Rafidi. It makes me so proud and proud to know that I follow the right path of the holy Ahlulbayt as
Follow quran firstly stop idolizing human we worship allah not muhammed or ali
@@semih14551
Bakri Saqifa is an innovation. Show me a single proof of it from the Quran
Your humbleness makes gives me this feeling. 😂 love u brother
His question mainly was that why did Ali AS not go to the door himself in the first place. We have to remember that this was Fatima AS who was taking a stance in the path of Wilayah. So instead of questioning Ali AS's bravery may be try to look at what Fatima AS was refusing. May Allah SWA guide us all.
I am Shiite Muslim from Jakarta Indonesia. They keep calling me a lier. I really want to learn from you. Please help me and explain to me where can I read about Umar bin Khatab forced the door open, until it hit Lady Fatimah and Lady Fatimah felt down from Sunni books?
GOD bless you and thank you
How is Indonesia for Shias?
Hello brother,
I request that you please create an account on the “ShiaChat” forum website for plenty of literary citations on all of these matters. You can also try contacting a knowledgeable Shia scholar’s office, or searching for the videos of “Sheikh Hassan Allahyari” right here on RUclips
@@ab5680huh??!! What a stupid question!😂
lanat on the enemies of ahlebait
you should invite Shamsi from speakers corner for debate- he keeps putting down shia laymen and people think shia are lost and uneducated in Quran. you should remove the misconception they are creating
Honestly speaking he dint answer the question, cause his main point was when Umar(LA) threatened house then where was Imam, I just found out tht answer , there were 2 houses in the house one was the main entrance and the other was the one which leads to the masjid , the attack was from both doors and Imam ALI was protecting the other door(masjid one)
Ali(AS) was ordered by Rasulullah(SAWA) not to react harshly towards that self-elected khulafa because they would kill him and his children And his chosen decedents would perish forever. Therefore When Umar came to the door without knocking the door started shouting Ali come out yet Ali(AS) did not respond, then Fatimah(AS) the beloved daughter of Prophet Muhammad(SAWA) came to the door and asked What do you want? Umar responded we want Ali to come with us to do Beyah(Vote) with Abu Bakar, She responded to him, Have you forgotten what the messenger of Allah told you about Ali? The conversation continued until Umar decided to order an attack to the house and forcefully enter the house, so his comrades setting the wooden door on fire and once the door burned enough Umar kicked the door inwards and the door hit the lady on her side. that is when she screamed YA ALI MADAD, Then Ali(AS) came out and he struggled with Umar Ibn Khtab and lifted him over his head then brough him down to the ground and put his dagger on Umar's neck and told him the only reason I refuse to kill you is my order from Rasulullah (SAWA) ,so get out of my house ,Umar left yet later on Umar came back with more soldiers and forcefully they took him to Abu bakar and Abu Bakar touched his hands and called it Beyah!
Yes Ali(AS) Could kill them all ,yet he was told by his master that they would kill him and his children and his Imamat would fail!
I wish our Sunni brothers and sisters would understand who is responsible for all these divisions between Muslims!
With all due respect Brother Ali, I think it is not helpful for you to emphasize how the third attack “happened quickly”, because this Adam caller is first hinging his entire argument on Imam Ali’s knowledge of the future, which is a core principle in our Shi’a theology.
In other words, Adam is asking “If Ali knew his wife would be attacked, then why didn’t he prevent it?”, because he digests from Sunni discourse (and thus human logic) that if anybody HAD any foreknowledge of such attacks, then he would have taken preemptive steps to prevent it. So your repeated emphasis on the third attack “happening quickly” is actually implying that swift and/or unexpected attacks are capable of catching an Imam off-guard, which directly contradicts our beliefs that the Masoom have perfect knowledge of the future (though I am sure that was not your intention).
Rather than framing the attack’s nature in our regular human terms such as speed or expectation, we should instead emphasize our theological beliefs that Masoom in our literature are supposed to face trials head-on even THOUGH they have knowledge of them beforehand: Imam Hussain brought his 6-month-old baby out to the army of Yazid even though he knew it would end in bloodshed. Imam Ali did not arrest Ibn Muljim even after pointing him out to his companions at Bayt al-Maal, because he had not committed his crime yet. The Prophet himself did not save Sumayya mother of Ammar from being tortured, even though he knew it would happen. And so on
I am not strong in my theological knowledge, but I seem to recall that part of the reason Masoom allow people to attack them is 1) to offer even a last-second change of heart to save their own souls, like the commander Hurr did on Ashura, or 2) to let history bear witness to the evil of their oppressors, as well as prove to the Ummah that Masoom were committed to their faith and mission even until pain of death, which allows them to establish both their divine righteousness AND their complete devotion in a single beautiful moment
Put simply: I believe we should frame this third attack as “Lady Fatima gave Umar one last chance to save his soul from hellfire, and he instead chose to slay the Prophet’s own daughter, all for the love of Caliphate and this Dunya. Thus she laid the foundation for nonviolent resistance in the face of evil, all of which culminated in Imam Hussain’s legendary sacrifice at Karbala”
With all due respect, thats not our Shia beliefs. The Prophet and Imams knowledge is given by Allah awj. For example the Prophet did not know he would be attacked by Quraish. But once Allah awj informed him through angel Jibrael, he made Ali (as) sleep on his bed. Imams similarly can know the general idea that people will be jealous against them, but will not know the extent of that jealousy and hatred unless given knowledge by Allah awj.
@@007VitaminD If the Prophet didn’t have prior knowledge of Imam Ali’s suffering under Caliph Bakr, then why did he warn the Imam of upcoming torment and loss at the hands of Quraysh?
Please don’t confuse one event with another. We are talking about the Prophet’s final will to Imam Ali before the martyrdom of Lady Fatima, not the entirely separate event of sleeping on the bed. Those are two completely unique ordeals, with different narrations and circumstances
@@corpsefoot758 I dont think you understood what I said. The Prophet DID have prior knowledge through Allah awj, but that does NOT mean he was also given the DETAILS of the events that will take place. Second, it doesn't matter if its a separate incident, the concept of ilm e ghayb is the same principle applied. Here's another example, Imam Hussain knew he would be killed, but did not know the extent of torture they would go and strip his family of water etc. Regardless, he was still mentally prepared for it to sacrifice for Islam.
@@007VitaminD
What, where are you getting all of this from? Cite your sources please
It is a VERY well-known Hadith that the first Imam told his companion Maytham al-Tammar one day that he would be crucified, disemboweled, and have his tongue removed, all for his love of Ali
But if the Imams’ Ilm e-Ghayb was as vague as you claim, then how was this prophecy so specific and accurate in its details? How did the Imam predict them?
@@corpsefoot758 You are literally not understanding my point at all. Just because the Imam and Prophets know the details of ONE INCIDENT does NOT mean Allah awj gives them the details of EVERY incident. You seem to forgot this knowledge is from Allah ultimately. Whatever is revealed to them they will have. There are some things they will not know, like the details of when they die. Only the angel of Death knows outside Allah awj.
Brother Al Habib may Allah SWT give you sabr for talking to this ignorant blindfolded bakri follower of uthman. 26:01 Wallahi dear brother I feel the same as you. Loved how you put this coward back in his place. One advice my brother dont allow ignorant people like this speak. He only repeats one sentencence a hundred times and has no respect for Imam Ali AS the best warrior of all muslims.
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
Fatimagh(ASWS) also went to the door for the fact she wanted to show us someone who you have chosen to lead the MUSLIMS will not respect even the beloved daughter of MUHAMMAD RASULALLAH(SAWA)
Yes she was telling us Oh Muslims be aware of this leader who does not show respect to the daughter of Rasulallah(SAWA) what he will do to you !!!!!!
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وعجل فرجهم والعن أعدائهم
لماذا ترك علي فاطمة لوحدها وراء الباب تكلم عمر ولم يقف هو وراءه وخلفه فاطمة لتكلم الفاروق وتلقي الحجة این كان علي الم يسمع صوت القوم في بيته الصغير وصوت عمر يناقش فاطمة الم يشم رائحة النار ؛فيلم هندي ،الا تقولون انه تم مهاجمة الدار اكثر من مرة ،هل من الفطرة البشرية ان يترك الرجل زوجته وحدها وراء الباب تتناقش مع رجل غاضب جدا يهددها ،وهو يسمع او يتفرج فقط
@@user-zx4bo7hc2s داس على رأس عمر بن الخطاب
اما عثمان بن عفان دخلوا الى منزلى وضربوا زوجته وقتلوا في المنزل
Shia here and found the caller's whole logic all over the place but tbh the answer was not much better and doesn't do much to help to bridge that gap. I'm by no means even close to being a learned expert but I've always understood it in a simple manner. If Imam Ali comes to the door, they immediately paint him as a rebel and power hungry and selfish (like they do even now in spite of him being their fourth "rightly guided" caliph). The fact that it is the prophet's daughter, one widely accepted as the four leading women of heaven by both sects, that Umar is threatening shows that a) there is a clear line between good and evil here and b) Ali does not initiate conflict and much less so if it is not to defend the religion of Islam. if there is even the slightest blurring of lines, Imam Ali does not engage in conflict and be the one who starts fitna is Islam. That essentially is it. Him not coming to the door is to expose Umar's intentions. And it goes with everything that Shia's believe about the countless evidence of all Imams' sabr and making the ultimate sacrifice to weed out the munafiqun and sinners. This is the just the first test but we see similar evidence in Imam Hasan's pact with Muawiya, Imam Hussain at Karbala, and even later on throughout the Ummayad and Abbasid tyranny.
The fact this caller is so comfortable calling Imam Ali (his own 4th caliph) a lesser man, or comfortable quoting how Umar is threatening to burn down the house of the daughter of the prophet is enough evidence that power was usurped. 1400 years later arguments about a split second and all of that makes no sense. It's the fact that Ali and Fatima both know not just how Ali's legacy gets tainted, but also how Islam's preservation becomes threatened, if he goes to the door first. Because as the caller says they have "Ilm-ul-ghayb" and they understand the long term impacts of Ali going to the door instead of Fatima better than any fallible does.
Sunnis are busy out there calling people to Islam, spreading the deen. Shia still holding on to things that happened 1,400 years ago that has no business in our every day lives. Sad.
Brother
Those Sunnies who are spreading the things which you call Islam are getting paid by the Saudi Arabia and other Sunni country leaders and yes since they are being paid they spread the deen yet the dean they spread is the same as Christianity which has nothing to do with the Eisa(AS_)
Just because the number of followers of a religion is bigger doesn't mean that religion is the right one to follow,If this is what you think then join the Christians,they are bigger in Number than Muslims!
And You say what happened 1400 years ago has no room for today?
If so then why do you follow those fabricated Sunnah which was created by men like Umar & Abu Bakar and Uthman and othersd?
Quit the deen all together !
of course the shia hold onto the past, otherwise without history, Islam would've not make sense. We need history to show us proof and to guide people the our ummah. In sha Allah.
Sunnis don’t follow “Islam” at all
Show me a single place in the Quran where Saqifa elections are permitted for establishing anybody’s Khilafat
You are Bakri innovators. Disgusting
Uthman was 86 years old so he can watch his wife get sexually assaulted and not even say a word in protest. Apparently he is too old to object to the sexual assault of his wife. But 3 years earlier he personally tortured Abu Dharr
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731
Women are not allowed to answer the door? Where is this in the Quran or Hadith?
Fatima (as) has no right to feel safe and secure in her own house? You try to absolve Umar from attacking the house by blaming Ali (as)
Ali (as) was fulfilling the promise to Rasulullah as he should while Umar took it upon himself to invade Fatima’s (as) house.
according to you, Ali left Fatima behind the door therefore Fatima deserved what happened to her. This is basically what you are saying. I pray Allah will raise you next to Umar and grant you the same treatment he will receive on the day of judgement.
@@khalafyousef3731 Does your father runs after your mum every time she answers the door.Imam Ali was in the meeting ok and LA Umar all the time running from the battlefield ,came boldly at Bibi Fatema’s door.
@@khalafyousef3731 The uthman his wife naila getting sexually assaulted and some sahaba said uthmans wife has a great behind part was funny as hell.I burst out laughing hard.
No disrespect to the sisters( aoozo billah) whenever the followers of Ahlul Sunnah are confronted with the EVIDENCES they become like women and formulate a conversation on nothing but pure emotion. Tragically even in the midst of this extreme emotion they can never seem to muster a grain of compassion, reflection , defense towards Ali Muhammad ( as) who in fact are free of any blemish, any wrong doing, any injustices, any mistakes , any crimes, any disobeying, any failures in poor mannerisms unlike their beloved so called 100,000 masum. As Allah (azaz wa jallah )states . How judge he ?
IF Sunni man is in his home, door bell rings, wife goes and opens the door, a thug punch his wife, beat her up she fall unconscious on floor. does it make that Sunni man in Livingroom watching TV or.. coward? may be this parable help Sunni logic ! if that Sunni watch his wife was getting beaten up, yes he would be coward but if he was in Livingroom and some thugs just punch her, why he would be coward? yes he would be coward if he keep watching his wife get beaten up. that is what Osman did ! someone body interred his house and fondled his wife in front of him ! he did nothing ! that is coward act !
Shocking the threat isn't sickening enough for the Sunni brother.
Thank you for posting this video. Seeing this for the first time today. Sadly Brother Adam kept going around in circles and missed the main point here. Unfortunately our Sunni brothers and sisters do not know their own historical texts. If they come across a hadith that portrays their beloved leaders in a negative light, simply reject it. I am still amazed how many of my non-shia muslim friends have not heard of Karbala, Ghadr or the 1400 ongoing attacks on our Ahlul Bayt and followers. May Allah guide them out of ignorance. Labaik Ya Hussain.
Had the Shias been present at the time of Imam Ali (as) would they have supported Abu Bakr, Umar and Othman for the sake of unity or Imam Ali (as)? After the atrocities were committed on Bibi Fatima (as), Imam Ali (as) raised Umar with his own hands then threw him with force on the floor, unsheathed his sword and was about to chop the head of Umar, he remembered the Prophet (PBUH) had told him to exercise patience which he did. So it was not that he did not do anything. Let us take the present example, let any person go to Saudi and speak the truth about the present ruler, squandering the wealth of the nation, and his head will be chopped off.
I can't Believe Muslims are still disputing this. Obviously they know nothing of Islamic history cause if they did, they would know that Umar did infact go to there house , with some of there henchmen threatening to burn there house down if Imam Ali doesn't come out to do gve allegiance. Any sunni who has studied Islamic hadeeth would recall learning this incident cause I was a sunni myself and I learned this also
Can anyone tell me when this film he talks about is coming out and what it’s called please
The film is called ‘The Lady Of Heaven’. Not sure when is it coming out but here’s the trailer: ruclips.net/video/1MaDAW0jRYM/видео.html
WHO WAS THE ALLAH MESSENGER TALKING ABOUT IN THIS SUNNI HADITH?
S.BUKHARI 88;174 - Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd: I heard the Prophet saying, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar), and whoever will come to it, will drink from it, and whoever will drink from it, will never become thirsty after that. There will come to me some people whom I know and they know me, and then a barrier will be set up between me and them." Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri added that the Prophet further said: "I will say those people are from me. It will be said, 'You do not know what changes and new things they did after you.' Then I will say, 'Far removed (from mercy), far removed (from mercy), those who changed (the religion) after me! "
THIS IS NOT A SHIA HADITH
IT IS A SUNNI HADITH AND WE ALL KNOW ABU BAKAR AND UMAR AND UTHMAN WERE NOT CHOSEN BY ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER !
PAUL WAS NOT CHOSEN BY ALLAH AND EISA(AS)
SAMERI WAS NOT CHOSEN BY ALLAH NOR MUSA(AS)
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF EVIL MEN COME BRAKING UP THE RELIGIONS OF ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGERS AND THEY KILL THOSE MESSENGERS AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO TAKE CONTROL
Masha Allah, brother
This is also confirmed by Bukhari 6593
@@corpsefoot758
Allah always leaves a few pieces of evidence in every religion which is broken apart for the educated ones to find the truth just like leaving small cracks in the walls of a dark room that can help any person who is looking out to know when it is the day time and when it is the night!
ALLAHO AKBAR!
Yes if our sunni brothers pay attention to what is in their own books of Ahadith they surely will be guided by Allah to the straight path in Deen!
There were no xerox machines in those days and honestly any intelligent person knows how hadiths were written. For years handwritten copies of the hadiths were made from copies and more copies were handwritten from older copies. So one can see there was plenty of opportunities for someone to insert a sentence which will give certain portions a twist that wasn’t there when the author originally wrote the book. It’s like the Chinese whisper when in the end it is far from the truth.
Tell him Umar LA ranaway from battlefield that is called cowardness.Imam Ali is the bravest in all the fields .We love our Imam Ali after Allah and the Pro
Respect Thankyou very much appreciated by those who love the TRUTH ❤
There is a simple question : why nobody knows where Fatima ( as) is burried ? Because she said to Ali ( as) don't tell where I'm burried because I'm angry against the muslim community because they betrayed the prophet ( the majority of the community )
Proof of that?
@@GrumpX
Please look up Bukhari 6725-6, and also Bukhari 4240-1
We Shi’a don’t accept Sunni narrations for obvious reasons, but even some of them reference the fact that Lady Fatima banned Abu Bakr from her funeral because of how much he angered her
And even in Sunni books it is said that whoever angers Lady Fatima angers our Prophet
@@corpsefoot758 Yet you believe in the lie that Umar RA hurt her when its an obvious lie and the fact that Ali RA named his kids after the 3 Caliphs says it all
@@GrumpX
1) You have no proof the Imam named them after the Caliphs. Those were the names of his favored companions, and/or very common at the time
2) Umar’s crimes are only “obvious lies” in Sunni books. Which are all completely irrelevant to me
3) Look up Sahih Muslim 1757c. Even your own books admit the “Rashidun” were not united whatsoever, regardless of what Muftis want to pretend
“Says it all” indeed. Why are you so scared to acknowledge even your own texts?
@@corpsefoot758 You only pick and choose from the hadiths. Our scholars have already disapproved your books thus Your beliefs are also irrelevant to me and all other sunnis.
Adam calling Imam Ali a coward, is really shameful act but I think it's Ali al-Habib who started it all and provoked him while Adam was just asking to call each other Muslims and brothers. Ali al-Habib doesn't show humbleness; he expresses a sarcastic smile.
The caller made a good point about Ilm al ghaib but the presenter kept talking over him - if he had Ilm al ghaib why did he allow her to open the door?
Also insisting on calling him bakri when he asked you not to? Just why
Rejecting this historical incident on the basis of 'Imam Ali not answering the door himself' is a perfect example of 'grasping at straws' and denying the reality of the matter; Omar attacked the House of Ali and Fatima (as).
First of all, where is it stated that it is haram, or even makrooh to allow your wife to condemn a tyrant? Especially in a situation where the Hijab between the man and the woman is respected (she was standing behind the door and only her voice was heard, which is perfectly fine and allowed in Sharia). And second of all and furthermore especially in a situation where the woman's ihtijaaj (condemnation) would perhaps carry more weight, like in this situation where the daughter of the Holy Prophet (sawas) herself is ordering you to leave!
Only a fool would deny this incident merely based on the fact that Fatima (as) answered a tyrant from her own house
They knocked the door 3 times. The first two times the imam came to the door and sent qunfudh away. The Lady of Heaven only came to the door the third time. Maybe the imam was praying or something
Only her voice was heard as you said, in the fabrications it is narrated that Fatema and Omar had a conversation with eachother that was getting out of hand yet Ali still does not show up to the man until his wife’s ribs are broken and she is now going to die because of this. I swear by Allah there is no other option. This is a fabrication but for arguments sake let’s say it happened. Omar is evil and Ali is a coward. No discussion or debate. The reality is he was khalifa and eventually his name became known and not everyone was fond of him especially non Muslims. So they spread a lie to make him look so bad and accidentally made Ali look bad as well in the process. Before Omar people used to hate, lie and abuse Ali and now it just is for another great sahabi. Weakest of all weak. Anybody who believes in this story is naive and unknowledgeable. Tell me why do many ahi scholars reject this bullshit as well and what is your explanation for them? Will they go to hell for rejecting the oppression of ahlulbayt?
Shia scholors*
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731
If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 55
days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot...
You will see a conspiracy building up.
The hyprocrites had a plan,
The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s
قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده .
Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '.
المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142
قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد،
Hakim says this hadith is sahih
وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح
Zahabi says this hadith is sahih
There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s.
Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role.
Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds.
That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer?
That Fatima is in the house.
Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!!
So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers.
Hope that is clear?
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
Follow the Quran and the Alulbayte.
I'm a shia and hate Umar - but you're right. And the callers point about Ilm Al Ghaib was good too. The presenter carried on like a child.
Excellent reply Br. Ali Habib
الله يحفظك
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
Imam Ali (as) had always on the battlefield killed the enemies of Islam to please Allah (SWT). History records that in one of the battles when Imam Ali (as) was about to slay an enemy he split on him and he withdrew and when his anger subsided he killed that person. Likewise, there was animosity between Umar and Ali (as) based on Umar's conduct and if he had killed Umar it would be due to his personal anger. It would have also created a civil war when Umar was nominated by Abu Bakr, not by popular vote, as a second khalif.
Why dont sunnies talk about omar and abu bakr genealogy?
Islam doesn't give importance to any genealogy brother.
Even in quran there is no geneology of any prophets.
There of yusuf(as). Islam doesn't give importance to class, race, color, sect etc.
@@roadlesstaken6006 the question was omar & abu bakr genealogy!?
Quran very specifically mentions that messenger are descendant of one another - chapter 2:136 and 3:84 and many more verses.
Sunnies refuse to read and research. They just continue blindly - the very 1st verse & word of the Holy Quran is "READ".
Beni Israel aka Prophet Jacob "as" 12 sons, are all grand and great grand sons of Abrahim "as" and Prophet Muhammed is also descendant of Prophet Abrahim through Ismail.
back to omar genealogy: omar's father khatab was born from Nufyl father and Sahak mother... after khatab's father nufyl died, khatab married/F his own mother sahak and omar was born.
abu bakr aka atiq, his father married his own niece (his brother's daughter) and produced quhafa abu bakr's father.
lets NOT go into the rest of your beloved sahabah.
@@pitbullofali brother... All these things are infact new to me. But brother we should not try to insult the Sahaba. Even our prophet did not do it.
@@roadlesstaken6006 I think what the brother above is trying to say is that when we discuss the incest genealogy of Abu bakr and omar there mental issues are explained. You want me to bring proof from your own books that omar raped a girl
@@roadlesstaken6006
Brother, please read Bukhari 6593
Perhaps if our Prophet had been aware of these Sahabas’ future crimes, he WOULD have cursed them more often …
These people are the ugliest face of Sunni Islam when they disrespect Maula Ali AS to protect Umar, who at the very least threatened to burn Bibi's SA house. Just disgusting but the brother dealt with him well.
The Ghadir Khum hadith is authentic. However, Sunnis say that the word “Mawla” has multiple meanings.
They lie
You wasted too much time with Adam. I converted forty years ago fom Catholic to sunni Islam in USA. I knew little about sunnah other than twelver shia were too strange with the whipping rituals, grave worship and saints. The Ayatollah is too much like the pope in Rome. I learned a lot from your lesson. I read Arabic. We need more knowledge.
This Shia presenter seems quite comfortable with English. Brother Malik producer of "The Lady of Heaven" has an amazing command /comprehension of the English language.
So please do join shoulders and translate
كتاب الفاحشة الوجه الاخر
and
تحرير الإنسان الشيعي
into English. Some lectures of Shaykh Yasir AL Habib have been translated into English but the English is quite weak,unfortunately..
The need of the hour is to translate
كتاب الفاحشة الوجه الاخر
and
تحرير الإنسان الشيعي
into cogent, lucid English.
Hadhrat Ali (AS) rushed, held him by the neck and pushed him away and Umar fell down and hurt his neck and nose. Hadhrat Ali (AS) intended to kill him. He remembered what the Holy Prophet (SAW) had said, and he said: "By Him, who gave Muhammad the status of Prophethood, O son of Sahak, if the Book from Allah had not been revealed and if the Holy Prophet (SAW) had not taken a promise from me before, then you would have known that you could have never entered my house."
KITAB-E-SULAYM IBN e QAYS AL HILALI Hadith No-4
Page #21
Then why fight siffin jamal and nehrwan if prophet told him to patience
Please discuss the topics with Sunnis that specialize in this field and not some random caller.
Every dying person shall see IMAM ALI A.S hey caller please do ask when you see them and don't forget that when you get your answer
Nobody but you will be answered be patient & u will get the most authentic ANSWER✋ then you won't even have a split second & u shall go with Umar wherever he is
The caller is acting like he was there lol no wonder no Wahabis help Syrians or Iraqis or the people of Burma only the lovers of Ali he's Shia.history repeats itself.
Very true! Holyrood actors . Speaking filth.
Mashallah aga jaan ana mina Rafidah inshallah
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
May Allah bless you guys for your work in spreading the truth about the oppressors of the Ahlul bayt AS. Inshallah one day I may have the opportunity to work with you guys, would be a dream of mine. May Allah’s curse be upon the enemies of the Ahlul Bayt.
why such argument..Imam Ali could have been taking a bath, or occupied otherwise momentarily
question is Why is this home being attacked???
by someone who see's himself as a leader of the Muslim ummah, a supposed holy man
No brother!
Imam Ali was not taking bath when Umar Ibn Khataab came to his door!
Rasulallah(SAWA) KNEW they will not let Ali(AS) be their leader and he informed Ali(A) that if he resist they would kill not only him even his entire family,yes the LION OF ALLAH was tied up By Allah and his messenger who needed their IMAMAT to continue!
Another thing If Ali(AS) had killed Umar and Abu Bakar those who destroyed Islam today would say BUT ALI KILLED THE SAHABAH OF RASULALLAH(SAWA) and the name of Islam would have parished from the pages of history!
Do you understand?
it doesn’t say Shia or Sunni in the Quran and im a sunni saying this to both sunni’s and shia’s so stop having war in the comments we both believe in Allah SWT and Prophet Muhammad SAW as his messenger. Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
@Genzo Forever
The word Shia means to follow and imitate. And this name as the prophet linked it with Imam Ali, became for those who particularly Follow Imam Ali and the Imams after him.
We say Shia of Ali meaning his followers and his supporters.
This word Shia has been mentioned in the Quran in respect to Prophet Ibrahim (a.s) as in Sura Saafaat verse 83. Ibrahim is a shia of prophet Noah meaning his supportor/follower.
Peace and salutation be to Nuh in the worlds...and most surely among his shí'a is Ibrahím... (37:79-83)
وَإِنَّ مِن شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ
Muslims take great pride in being affiliated to Prophet Ibrahím (a.s.), and rightly so. It is also a known fact among Muslims that Prophet Ibrahím was himself named as a "Muslim" by Almighty Allah.
What the people do not notice is that Almighty Allah has named Prophet Ibrahím as a "Shí'a" also
So those who call themselves as "Muslims" and "Shí'as" are actually following the tradition established by Almighty Allah in being called as "followers" of pious believers just as Prophet Ibrahím has been described as a follower of Prophet Nuh.
the term "Shi’a”alone has no negative or positive meaning unless we specify the leader of the party. If one is a Shi’a (follower) of the most righteous servants, then there is nothing wrong with being Shi’a, specially if the leader of such party has been assigned by Allah.
"And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shi’a and the other being his enemy, and theone who was of his Shi’a cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy”(Qur’an 28:15)
وَدَخَلَ ٱلْمَدِينَةَ عَلَىٰ حِينِ غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ أَهْلِهَا فَوَجَدَ فِيهَا رَجُلَيْنِ يَقْتَتِلاَنِ هَـٰذَا مِن شِيعَتِهِ وَهَـٰذَا مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَٱسْتَغَاثَهُ ٱلَّذِي مِن شِيعَتِهِ عَلَى ٱلَّذِي مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَوَكَزَهُ مُوسَىٰ فَقَضَىٰ عَلَيْهِ قَالَ هَـٰذَا مِنْ عَمَلِ ٱلشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّهُ عَدُوٌّ مُّضِلٌّ مُّبِينٌ
in the above verse of Qur’an, one is named the Shi’a of Moses a.s. and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that time were either the Shi’a or the enemy of Moses a.s
The Messenger of Allah said: "O ‘Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shi’a will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up).
The term Shia is in the Qur'an
NOT the term Sunni
@@QnA513 that’s nice to know coming from YOUR belief. I could come with 1000 reasons because of the information and what I believe in.
as I said Shia, Sunni it doesn’t matter they’re both Muslim. And im not going into a war of comments with you brother/sister
@@nikobellic8246
I totally see where you are coming from
I was once like you, thinking only to be a muslim, and ONLY use such a label.
But the reality of the fact is that Muslim means to submit
The key question is HOW do we submit?
The answer is, by supporting imam Ali a.s. by following him
As the prophet HIMSELF said and labelled.
So you have to be a rational -> human -> Muslim-> Shia
All the best
Please narrate the Ghusl of Bibi Ayesha from Sahih Bukhari..
Not only ghusl lies and breast feeding as well
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Who is it the trangressors ???
Ali or Fatimah... or the Malaun AbuBakr and Umar... ???
What if both Rafidi & Nasbi enter hellfire because of their extremism in the religion? 🤔
So Umar ra attacked Fatimah ra and Ali ra just stood there helpless? Then later named one of his children Umar? That makes sense. :D
please watch the video, the answer to both those allegations are there
Found the 12 year old batri
Why did Umar yell . And threatened to burn the house down , why the attack why?
To the Owner of this video!
Dear brother: Please do not CURSE the people who are being praised by our Sunni brothers,
please delete this video and start all over again, when using the names of those who misguided the Ummah just use their names without putting curses behind them, Because you are forcing them to use curse words on those we honor by the order from Allah!
So do this immediately and keep clean conversations and use FACTS from our sources and theirs and you should know we both have far enough evidence to prove who has misguided and divided us apart our Muslims and hopefully, we can bring us all together as Allah and his beloved Messenger intended to do!
Thank you
Assalaam alikum!
AoA. Just watched The Lady of Heaven. Kindly make another 2 at least about what happened after that. And about the incident of Karbala. Thnx
영화 '천국의 성모님' 너무 좋아 💎👑
Why Muslims say YA Ali but never YaUmarYaOsmanYaAbubaker
We don't like Umar, Uthman, or Abu Bakr. We do say Ya Allah, Ya Muhammad, Ya Ali, Ya Fatima, Ya Hassan, Ya Hussain, and so on. We disassociate ourselves them the Sunni caliphs such as Abu Bakr and Umar.
Commotions between all the parties doesn't make sense at all. In the first place why did Saydina Ali RA names his sons after the first three caliph.
Where is your proof those names came from the first 3 specifically? As opposed to other people with those names?
Let me guess, now you’re only going to cite Sunni books?
The fact is Ali's house was attacked ,..... why and under whose instigation ..... dude is trying to explain out of the atrocities done on Ahmlul Bait .. you understand ..... You are trying to say that this incident of violence did not happen ..... If it didnt happen , it would not be mentioned in Sahih Muslim Sahih Bukhari ......., why was Umar there , what business did he have , ..obvious he threatenned as they had usurped the succession of the chosen one as a leader of the Ummah , knew he had to have Ali,s blessings , had to use violence , even when he was departing , he conveniently made a six member committee and had already chosen by instigating in the minds that Uthman was the better choice ! Boy , they never wanted the true Hashmi tribe of the Prophet to take over , age old hatred of early days was still in his heart , may Allah Wakil give him his dues!! ...... dude, says rhetoric , what rhetoric . ? Dude , ahlul bait was attacked , period .
mashaallah Habibi💚
The fact of the matter is if u take this fabricated narration to be true then all it proves is Ali knew Umar was outside and he still allow4d Fatimah to go to the door and get beaten up. He should have gone to the door himself not sent his wife ! Maybe he was scared and 'forced' just like he was when he gave his daughter in marriage to Umar as he feared his hand would be cut off !
Solid point! The brave Ali would never allow that to happen to his wife and then on top of that give his daughter to the killer of his wife (SHOCKED)
SubhanAllah very true
If he sent his wife then why did he attack Umar then? It’s common for wives to open the door of their house in Arabia
@@zayn670 when a man threaten to burn the house the husband should come protect his wife if he is a decent man. Let alone Sayyidna Ali. The teachings of Islam just don’t matter huh? The prophet said one who dies fighting for his family is a shaheed. No 40 men non sense. No there are many men out there not only Omar nonsense, no Omar was very strong so he talked this way and got away with it. If this happened Ali, Zubair and Talha would have retaliated way before it could have even got far. And no it was not normal and even today it is not too normal. A husband should answer the door incase the person is dangerous
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
You are really treat them fairly by giving them time, they don't use it because they are not good a debaters which is not your fault.
Brother stop cursing Ummar he was Clearly A Gay and I really proud of him as his flowers will folow his foot step ❤
when the movie will be released?
This guy is fantastic. We need more like him
salam alaykum, how can i watch the lady of heaven movie?
Guys... I started watching Shia channel such as serat and ahlul bayt.
Even though we have differences we all believe in Allah and Muhammad(saw).
I hope there will be peace among us.
I exactly don't know what Abu bakr(ra) and Umar(ra) did to fathima(Ra) I read many articles. One party says she died a natural death due to grief and other party says she died due to attack.
I read articles states both sunni and Shia point of view.
Allah knows the best.
Then why Abu baker one of the 3 things he regret assault Fatma house in sahiyh al bhkari
@@calmcmanus9928 brother... As I said.
They are all companions of prophet muhammed(saw).
We can't speak anything against them.
If they did wrong it's between them and Allah.
@@roadlesstaken6006 no we really have to speak to know the difference between the real believer the hypocrites other ways we will always be in different because we choose to not know even Quran wants us to learn and understand not just blind following increase ur knowledge in less ur afraid or hidden something that u don't want people to know, if only every muslim read not just depend on someone to explain to him we wouldn't need channels
@@calmcmanus9928 are uh Shia?!
What is the book of fathima?!
Recently I started watching ahlulbayt channel and slowly I am learning more about Shia.
As i am not Shia. But there is lot of confusion.
Do uh guys pray to hussain(ra).
@@roadlesstaken6006 I don't know if u know arabic but u will find all questions answers in arabic Shia channel don't relay on sunni to teach Shia history after all they were our enemies for centuries we Shia not afraid to discuss the history the moment Mohammad die until his house hold peace be upon them
I am sunni from malaysia but i believe by logic that companian include omar abu bakar and others not seriously obey the massage of god they ate more to trible affair snd power strugle otherwise god dont remind the ummah about the hyphorite in the quran when god mentioned hyphocrite it mean to show the wellknown companion
With all due respect brother, if you claim to see the hypocrisy of these first 3 Khulafa, then why would you still consider yourself a member of the Sunni sect?
28:11 why is brother ali breaking his own ‘rules’ that he stated at the beginning?
It seems to be unintentional. Natural reflection upon saying Umar’s name.
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731
@رامي عيسى اسد السنة
If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 55
days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot...
You will see a conspiracy building up.
The hyprocrites had a plan,
The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s
قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده .
Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '.
المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142
قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد،
Hakim says this hadith is sahih
وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح
Zahabi says this hadith is sahih
There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s.
Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role.
Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds.
That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer?
That Fatima is in the house.
Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!!
So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers.
Hope that is clear?
AoA brother , I'm a sunni and I'm not a scholar . But the things I have seen , heard , to my knowledge I will share . Wasn't it a difficult time for the Muslims ? I mean I also heard the same umar r.a at a point was saying who ever says the prophet S.A.W is dead , I will cut his head off with my sord . To me this was a very difficult moment for them . And that moment I think it's understandable , the pressure , the ameer issue . Just putting things in context . Wallahu Alam .
That is very true.
I sincerely doubt I would have been a vocal supporter of Imam Ali in those times. I would have hidden in my house like a coward
I want to ask,wheres imam ali when umar attacked fatimah?,ali is brave and unbeatable in battle,so where is he when fatimah attacked?,i dont understand,imam ali even named one of his son "umar"
Ya Ali a s madad 🌹💗
Usman bin affan also torucherd
The Abdullah bin masood RA personally too.
Conspiracy against islam.
Name of bastards who burned the house of shazadi fatema Zahra s.a Sayeda Fatima Zehra (s.a) Ke Ghar ko jalany walon k name,
1. Umar Bin Khitab
2. Khalid Bin Waleed
3. Abdu Rahman Bin Auof
4. Sabit Bin Qais
5. Ziaad Bin Labeed
6. Mohmad Bin Muslam
7. Zaid Bin Sabit
8. Salmah Bin salama
9. Salmah Bin Aslam
10. Aseed Bin Hazeer
Qunfuz haramI.
Ref: Kitab Ahl-e-Sunat
TAREEKH-E- YAQOOBI
J-2, P-126
Lanat Ber mala'oon Beshumaaaaaar
He literally said that he did beat her up
One of those who attacked Usman's wife Nayela, stomped on her ass and said انها أجهزة الكبيرة
Oh the Engine is to big
لماذا ترك علي فاطمة لوحدها وراء الباب تكلم عمر ولم يقف هو وراءه وخلفه فاطمة لتكلم الفاروق وتلقي الحجة این كان علي الم يسمع صوت القوم في بيته الصغير وصوت عمر يناقش فاطمة الم يشم رائحة النار ؛فيلم هندي ،الا تقولون انه تم مهاجمة الدار اكثر من مرة ،هل من الفطرة البشرية ان يترك الرجل زوجته وحدها وراء الباب تتناقش مع رجل غاضب جدا يهددها ،وهو يسمع او يتفرج فقط
أحسنت
Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching
@@khalafyousef3731
If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 55
days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot...
You will see a conspiracy building up.
The hyprocrites had a plan,
The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s
قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده .
Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '.
المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142
قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد،
Hakim says this hadith is sahih
وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح
Zahabi says this hadith is sahih
There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s.
Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role.
Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds.
That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer?
That Fatima is in the house.
Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!!
So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers.
Hope that is clear?
@@khalafyousef3731 We have answered this many time
and Imam Aliع was collecting Quran at that time
and the Ahlebait knows better than was
they know why they did this
and see your own books its written about everything so how can you deny that???????
علاوي اشتقنا لك متى تظهر ببث مباشر💗🌸
His question was why did imam Ali as not answer the door instead of Fatima as but you didn't answer that unfortunately. The answer basically is that it was fatimas as role to open the door and sacrificing herself to Islam, just like imam Hussein sacrificing himself for Islam in karbala. These things are Allah's will
Let me give you the answer to why Ali(AS) didn't answer the door?
Ali(AS) was ordered by RasuAllah to refrain from fighting with Umar & Abu bakar and all those who were following them>
In his Nahjol Balaqah he indicates he was left alone and Rasul(SAWA) told him they his enemies would kill him and his children which would mean getting rid of Islam forever.
Yes Ali(AS) was the lion of Allah yet that lion was tied up by the rope of Allah and his Radsul for the sake of ISLAM.
If Ali(AS) had killed Umar or Abu bakar today no one would be Muslim because his action would give the tools to all the enemies of Islam to bring down the Islam
Yes Ali afterwards got up and walked towards Umar and lifted him off the ground hold to his belt and brought him to the ground and he put his sword on umar neck and told him THE ONLY REASON I WILL NOT KILL YOU IS THAT RASULALLAH HAS ORDERED ME NOT TO FIGHT WITH YOU! then he let him leave
@@aliagha1221 very well put! May Allah keep us in the wilaya of imam Ali as
The broken rib:
ruclips.net/p/PL8IhTxV0G4rgSCyhql0R6BiRShcytuJeY
Why did hazrat Ali named thier sons Abu bakar usman umer they were killers of hazrat bibi Fatima why not yazeed Abu sufian maviya???
Follow the Quran and the Alulbayte.
These were common names at the time, and also names of Imam Ali’s companions
Only logical statement I would add is,'our beloved Prophet's death was announced ,his daughter Fatimah peace be upon her must have been very grieved.so Ali ,Abbas ,and other sahabis were there for her,also caliph Abu Abubakr was very busy in preparation for the burial,so some group of ansaris gathered themselves to choose who is going to lead the Ummah and they wanted it before the prophet's burial,so as caliph omar was told the older wiser figure he could run for advice was Abu bakr,he called the Abu bakr figure and informed him .we have to choose a leader now omar said'
So brothers and sisters in Islam Muslim was one big family regardless of colour and race it was not a kingdom the leader was chosen of quality age experience and knowledge, please shias Caliph Ali bin Abu tali was not there while decisions were made infact it was a duty of all Muslims to care for the welfare of another Muslim,
Did caliph Ali stand and say I should be the caliph ?he is in deed Ahlul bait so was Abubakr our prophets father in law ,he was family by law.
Shia where do you put arkanul imaan 'that it is by the will of Allah is and it becomes ,I've written much more than this it.
Please Shia make me understand this are you still rebellious of Allah's will ?
Don't you think your mentality and yuhud Jews are the same ?because they don't accept the prophet muhammad because he is not bani israel.
Samah nakum if ihave annoyed anyone
Wa aleykumusalaam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
With all due respect, who told you “Abu Bakr was busy with the burial”?
He was at Saqifa, with Umar at the time. He did not even wait for our holy Prophet’s body to grow cold before trying to build a throne for himself
Wallahi you Ali Habib will never survive in battle
Why?
He’s a coward in the Dawah field! These rafidis will never debate they know they will get exposed and their followers will leave them. You think someone like that will handle violence and death. They will call peop le out and only debate laymen on the phones! Nakshawani is still hiding after calling out every daee!
@@shosho3166
What about this dawah had given
AA
ruclips.net/video/aStsk0cUpbU/видео.html
@@shosho3166
Where are you?
Discuss
It will help us for the sake of Allah swt
Did you watch the above interview?
How was the Dawah to him?
All you Sunnis have is bloodshed hahaha
Thank you for exposing your true nature once again
Al’hamdulillah that we Sunnis don’t see Ali R.A as coward just like Shia sources making him look like.
Ali R.A would face anyone trying to attack his family member. Just by knowing that somebody is going to attack, he would never hide behind his wife. He would defend his wife and his wife would take shelter behind his back.
But Shia sources making him look like coward by telling us that Omar was coming to harm Fatima and Ali heard and knew that Omar was outside of the door and he is calling for Ali r.a to come out, they have conversation of a long time, he burned the door and Ali r.a still hiding at home behind his wife? Wooow I mean it’s so hilarious that warrior like Ali r.a would hide like this.
And this stupid guy telling us that Ali r.a came out when he heard the scream of Fatima in a split second. What was he doing all the time hiding behind then? Why not come out like a brave man to face the attacker in the first place. But this Shia sources are all fake . Al’hamdulillah for Islam and we are free from such stupid and false narrations
By your logic, our Prophet himself was a “coward” for allowing the murder of Sumayya, mother of Ammar …?
Do you even realize the logical traps you set up for yourself when posting foolishness like this?