Le Orme- Una dolcezza nuova & Gioco di bimba (REACTION//DISCUSSION)
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Aldo Tagliapietra sang and played at my wedding in Milan suburb in July 2019 via a common Italian musician friend who was my best man. It was an amazing experience , especially when I recognized him BEFORE I was introduced to him ! We were mutually surprised LOL
Thats especially special!
Le Orme is without a doubt one of the most beautiful and recognized Italian progressive bands, as well as O PFM, which is the most recognized. But, Le Orme, is a wonderful Italian progressive band, and one that I miss a lot.
Banco as well.
Great band I was lucky enough to see them play at Nearfest in Bethlehem pa in 2005. Great stuff.
This sounds like a mix of innocence, romance and laidback vibe, all wrapped into one, sprinkeled with a classical feel. I haven't had to time to dive into much Italian prog yet, but it's on the list. I do however own the album "Io Sono Nato Libero" by Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, and that I can highly recommend. But that's quite a different vibe to what we've just heard, much more dramatic and serious (but I absolutely LOVE that album).
Fantastic. Pleasant stuff.
Better than ABC isn't it?
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Oh hells yes, by a zillion miles.
@@-davidolivares you are too cool!
Thanks for this! Great band, I have their Felona e Sorona album 2LP edition with the original Italian LP and the English version with the lyrics translated by Peter Hammill (who speaks fluent Italian). The Italian version is the better of the 2 though. Big thumbs!
Le Orme definitely have their moments where they sound a bit more like ELP than they do here, but they're very much their own group. I absolutely love Aldo's voice. They've been through a number of different phases, as well. Their first couple of releases are very much steeped in 60a psychedelia, before settling in to the classic k/b/d trio with Collage. Then they added a guitarist and went for a somewhat more commercial sound beginning with Smogmagica, and then shifted radically to a almost classical acoustic chamber quartet with Florian (a highly recommended album). Then they dabbled with synth pop I'm the 80s, dabbled a bit with Mike + the Mechanics style AOR on Orme, before returning to a something more like their classic sound on the mid 90s.
Yes! On of my favourite Italian progressive rock of all time, please do the rest of the album, it’s a prefect album where all of the songs flow perfectly into each other.
Few Le Orme essentials songs
La porta chiusa (from Uomo di pezza 1971 italian prog)
Sospesi nell'incredibile (from Felona e Sorona 1972 italian prog)
Maggio (from Contrappunti italian prog)
Los Angeles (from Smogmagica 1975 the group became a quartet adding the guitarist T. Marton and the sound got more heavy)
Regina al Troubadour (from Verità nascoste 1976 where they changed guitarist with G. Serafin increasing their crunchiness in a subtle deep purpleshy way)
Al mercato delle pulci (from Storia o leggenda 1977 )
El gran senser (from Florian 1979 their first totally acoustic album. A real gem where they were almost doing classical music)
Piccola rapsodia dell'ape (from Piccola rapsodia dell'ape 1980 where they continued the full acoustic mode)
Then Germano Serafin the guitar and violin player left the group to pursue his classical music interest and to play with the Treviso Symphony Orchestra (unfortunately he passed away in 1992)
After this their remained as a trio and went elettropop in 1982
They returned to prog in 1996 but without Pagliuca that was replaced by two keyboardists.
After that I lost them.
They lived here in LA for a while - I got a signed Smogmagica album by the entire band.
Not heard of them, and not what I expected. Billed as prog, 3 piece, bass, drums, and keys... It's the Italian ELP I thought. But then, no, not at all. Unless these track are atypical. 1st track, started strong, I think I know where it's going, then drops to just soft piano and voice, reviving later on. 2nd track, also gentle, a little more electronic, and with some really nice acoustic guitar. Intriguing... Overall, i enjoyed both these, and look forward to hearing more of these guys.
He was one song short on this album for you to hear their proggier side - which shines through clearly on remaining tracks of this album.
@@vdggmouse9512 Cheers, i'll check them out.
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When you do check them out Jfergs - be careful - Banco, Le Orme and PFM all are simply superb but don't listen to the watered down English versions. They have a few albums they made to try to break into the UK/American markets where they re-do their songs and sing in English. Listen to their original albums - they sing in Italian and are simply - better. I know you want to hear their best work - in my opinion their Italian albums far and away are their best work.
@@vdggmouse9512 Duly noted. I'm listening to 'La porta chiusa' as i type. This is definitely more like i was expecting :)
@@vdggmouse9512 there is ONE exception: Photos of Ghosts is better than the Italian original, simply because they dropped that constant octave doubling on the vocals
Busker vibe? Great catch! Strolling into the piazza,and Bam, the music hits you! Very nice 👍. Peace and worldwide prog!
The story of Gioco di Bimba Is really dark actually, strongly opposed to the sweetness of the music. All the lyrics are a metaphor of a rapist (the furtive shadows that follows the young lady, and the line "in a baby child game a woman is lost" probably is about her innocence and virginity being stolen by the man). It's one of the most famous song of the band and it carries a strong message masked behind a childlike story. I believe at the time it caused some concern because it was quite unusual to talk about something like this in "pop" music.
Very pastoral feel to this. You nailed it with the word "relaxing". I have had Felona E Sorona since 1975 and it is ok to listen to now and then. I liked this song better. If you like the folk side of prog try Harmonium, from Quebec. Also from Quebec, I think you will like Maneige, an instrumental jazz fusion band with a hint of Gentle Giant. I agree with others who highly recommend PFM and Banco. Cheers JP. Keep spreading the word. Can't wait for Tommy on your next turntable.
A very nice song by Le Orme. Another fantastic Italian Progressive Rock Band is PFM. A great place to start is the album’s Chocolate Kings (1975) and Jet Lag (1977) both are sung in English…
Le Orme is great. We talk a lot about England as the premier land for progressive music, Italy was pretty great at prog rock too.
I would love to see you react to Harmonium, a french canadian "prog-folk" band. If i had to describe them, I'd say they are a blend of Le Orme, Mike Oldfield, Spirogyra and Jethro Tull; however they're pretty unique...
I'd recommend "et si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison" (alternative title : "Les cinq saisons") for your first dive into their work.
Gigantic surprise, indeed. Le Orme's Felona e Sorona (the lp following Uomo di Pezza) was the very first album I bought and a true prog concept album masterpiece. Highly, highly recommended (the Italian version is better than the English one with Peter Hammill lyrics). One peculiar thing in the band's early production is that they always included a charting pop song in every album. In this case, Gioco di Bimba.
Le Orme's first six or so albums are pretty damn good.... there's also PFM, Banco, Celeste, Museo Rosenbach actually, there are tonnes of great Italian prog bands.... go look JP
Banco, Le Orme, New Trolls, PFM, Osanna, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Locanda Dellle Fate, Balleto di Bronzo, once one get into Italian Prog there is endless bands to explore. I love all of them. Italian prog is on pair with English prog, but it has an style all of its own.
And RDM! Il Rovescio Della Medaglia.
And dont forget Maxophone.
@@rogerhennie8939 You bet! All one album of theirs! RDM - Il Balletto di Bronzo - Locando Della Fate - Quella Vecchio Locando. So many more. Hey Roger - have you checked out another lesser known Italian band 'Sensations Fix? If not - do so!
Now this is more like it! Try some Area next, and see what you make of the vocals 😁
Banco and Area are my favorites from Italy... but I love Le Orme too...
Area are the best!👍🏻
The style of the cover is not accidental. The curved lines and scrolls that distinguish the baroque stand out. What you see on the cover is what you will hear.
Oh wow, Justin is making a dive into Italoprog finally. Le Orme are great representatives of the genre. And the choice of the track is great as well. Look into Osanna, PFM and Banco del MS. Another very interesting (although abit late and shortlived bnd) is Locanda delle Fate
The opening organ section is based on the amazing Chaconne in D minor from J.S. Bach (Violin Partita BWV 1004).
Excellent that you start to dive in the 70’s italian prog. The fist 3 PFM albums are a must. I love specially Per un amico. Banco is also highly recommend. These two groups after the first 3-4 albums they both smoothly transition toward more poppy albums
Ahh Italian Prog !!!! Good stuff Justin.
Genesis was Hugely popular in Italy in their early days with "Trespass" & "Nursery"
That really helped the many great Progs acts in Italy, still so many unknown to
American ears !!
In your new book "Mountains Come Out Of The Sky" there is a nice Italian Prog
chapter in there at Pg.135 Justin. You are way better at those names than I am.
I do them no justice with my "Bostonian" Twang !!! Lol : D
In 1971 - Van der Graaf Generator was the biggest UK artist in Italy with two number ones! Pawn Hearts was a number 1 album there and 'Theme 1' was a number 1 single. VdGG's only number 1's in the world.
@@vdggmouse9512 Yes the were : )
You're right about Genesis, Ronnie. In this month's Prog magazine, Steve Hackett talks about Nursery Cryme not selling well in the UK, and the band being indebted to their big following in Italy. If it wasn't for them, he says, they might not have carried on. Grazie Mille, Italia!
@@gaiaeternal5131 Yes indeed, there are interviews somewhere on YTube about their Love for Italy and their fans !! Thanks for posting : D
Le Orme!!! I love them!!!
I knew this song since my high school years, i always interpreted it like a man is looking at an innocent girl, too young to be a woman, too old to be just a child, but still innocent. At the light of the moon she is so beautyful and outwordly that his attraction transforms in some kind of aggression, not sure if sexual assault or something else, maybe he just scared her by walking towards her and is intentions are being misunderstood...but anyway after that event, she will be no more an innocent child but a girl and the man has to live with the remorse and feeling of sin he feels for ruining forever such heavenly and rare things like innocence and beauty, that matched perfectly at their best in taht child that night, with the same careless action
Italian 70s rock is amazing, I love it. You gotta travel more to that country in your channel (I'm not repeating the bands that everybody is commenting here).
Great sound. I absolutely LOVE the band's album cover. No wonder the Italians seemed to love Genesis. Must be the musical drama; i.e. Opera
Hey JP, here are some other italian prog albums I think you would dig:
Maxophone (English language version)
Perigeo- Fata Morgana
Arti & Mestieri - Tilt, Giro DI Valzer
Metamorfosi- Inferno
These are my highlights, lots of other good ones.
You mentioned the "street music sound" of these songs which is interesting because Angelo Branduardi released a series of seven albums, "Futuro Antico." As I remember it his concept was of a street band (actually a group specialising in mediaeval music) playing songs from different centuries. It was quite folky but very good, I thought. I haven't listened to the albums for a while, I shall have to listen again now.
Sounds like a pretty cool concept!
Yes you did Le Orme! Check out Felona e Serona next!
Good choice ! Le Orme is one of the great names of the Italian prog.
Some other songs to recommend ?... You could try a few other ones from the same album, like "La Porta Chiusa", "Aspettando l'Alba" or "Alienazione". Or the 1973 album "Felona e Sorona".
The Italian progressive rock is like a whole world in itself. If you want to delve more into it, I recommend bands like Premiata Forneria Marconi, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Osanna, Locanda Delle Fate.
My parents had the 45 rpm "Gioco di bimba/Figure di cartone" and I usually played Gioco di bimba when I was child understanding nothing about the real meaning of the song, that is very deep. Other great italian prog album to me are "YS" by Il balletto di bronzo, "io sono nato libero" and "Darwin!" by Banco del mutuo soccorso, "Papillon suite" by Latte e Miele, "Per un amico" and "L'isola di niente" by PFM...I have also to suggest another great album by 2015, "Die" by Iosonouncane.
Evening Justin. Dave from Up Around The Bend. Really liked these tracks, especially the beautiful vocals and keyboards. If you like a bit more ELP in your Italian prog, I suggest you try a more contemporary band, Barock Project, whose leader Luca Zabbini is a classical pianist and big fan of Keith Emerson. Suggested track: Happy To See You off their 2017 Detachment album
Barock Project seconded. They are current, BTW. Not yet fossilized like the beloved 70's bands.
In the UK, PFM were sponsored by ELP and Le Orme by VDGG. Of course, at that time Italy was Prog Central.
You'd also love hearing Beggars Opera's "Raymond's Road." with one of Keith Emerson's younger rivals. The live version of RUclips is brilliant and the band is rarely heard nowadays.
Le Orme are a lovely band, by the way, a lot of Italian groups seem to have the special sound that we can hear on these songs. Pretty near perfect for me.
How interesting. I hadn't heard about the ELP VdGG connection before.
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ELP signed PFM to Manticore in 1973 and it must have been 1973/74 for the VDGG/Le Orme link (mainly through Peter Hammill. VDGG were very popular in Italy and Hammill did a solo tour with Le Orme in 1972. I think the band did their first British tour and released their first album in the UK in the same year so I think that must have been the result. But this is from memory of 50 years ago so decide for yourself how reliable it is.
@@markmaxwell1013 But you do know the Hammill Emerson connection right Mark? We may have talked about this I forgot - They wrote the song 'Empire Of Delight' off of 'As Close As This.'
ruclips.net/video/NFCvmQtY30U/видео.html - I think you already know.
@@vdggmouse9512 I didn't know until I recently saw an interview with Keith Emerson and his eyes lighting up at the question and the mention of Peter Hammill's name but he did not remember much about it. PH like Gordon Giltrap has so much respect from his peers but not the same popularity as them. A bit of a shame but hopefully the word will get out eventually. I mean I didn't even know about Gordon Giltrap until a week ago. I will tell others and they will tell others hopefully. The good side of technology!
Oooh yes yes this is a good album!
Another great reaction. Italian Prog, is there no limit to it all ? Thanks man. This is sweet
Ty!
Not a band that has been on my radar previously. Thanks for exposing this "Jesus Freak" to this band. T'was lovely. In my misspent youth I used to be a denizen of used record stores. I loved looking at the album artwork and reading liner notes. I found so many hidden treasures! Sometimes I would buy just for the artwork. This one would have caught my attention. I hate to make lists but here goes. Check out Bruce Cockburn's Dancing in the Dragon's Jaws, great album but I would think you'd enjoy Badlands Flashback. Early Todd Rundgren's Utopia (check out THOSE album covers!). Van Morrison Rave On John Donne. Glass Harp's first album "Children's Fantasy" American Prog . The Damnation of Adam Blessing. Back to the River. Whether or not you do review or not I just love sharing.
Let's see how your followers handle Le Orme! Great band. I saw them twice way back. Prog originals. You better say the word 'fantastic' here! You needed one more track for a really healthy dose for a quality first impression. You will get that closer to ELP thing. I do hope you continue with RPI. More Le Orme, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM)! You said 'fantastic' - I heard it! You said fantastic to something that I think is fantastic. I feel vindicated or somewhat validated. It feels good. Thanks JP! As far as other songs - just continue on with this album to completion. Don't do the random method with Le Orme. Just finish this album.
Ty, this was fantastic 😉😅
Pleasant surprise Justin! I got one of their albums from a used record bin in the mid-seventies and I've been hooked ever since. For those who say progressive music can't sound romantic they can just listen to this. Your wife might like this. Thanks Justin!
Hi Mark. Isn't Le Orme great. One more track would have really tipped the scales. I hope he just finishes this album.
@@vdggmouse9512 Oh yes, one of my favorites and one of many great Progressive bands from Italy! I really didn't expect JP to hear them today but it was a very nice surprise. These are the bands that need more publicity along with our favorite. It must have been awesome to see VdGG in the country that popularized them to a great extent!
Ty Mark! You may be right
@@markmaxwell1013 It would be great to see VdGG in .......Antarctica!
@@vdggmouse9512 Haha! Lots of educated scientists in Antarctica so there must be some VdGG fans down there also.
Oh, here is the link to that Emerson interview. You may have seen it but it's kind of funny. Lots of explaining about Love Beach before the question about PH...
m.ruclips.net/video/hikhLsi_72M/видео.html
Nice to see you go too an Italian band.
This is my favourite record by Le Orme. By the way, I suggest you the first four albums, especially Felona e Sorona
This is a great album as is Storria Leggenda, Concerto, Felona e Sorona etc.. They are a superb band
By the way the next track is mindblowing ....
La porta chiusa
Le Orme = The Footprints or The Footsteps. I am impressed. I would be willing to hear more of these guys.
Organ?!?! Justin will be happy. The organ has the sound of those found in grand cathedrals. If you want to hear pipe organ by one of the greatest players that ever lived then listen to Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor played by E. Power Biggs (RIP).
Please do some Banco del Mutuo Soccorso. They rule. Canto nomade per un prigioniero politico is a captivating epic.
Do you think JP (and followers) is ready for Banco, Le Orme and PFM? He liked it!
@@vdggmouse9512 I can only speak for myself, but the last year I've acquired Io Sono Nato Libero (it was an instant love), so I think I'm ready to discover some more italian prog to fall in love with :)
@@progqueen6219 That's so great Prog Queen! Where are you from/live? Although Le Orme's vocalist is no slouch - that's putting it too mildly - he's great - Banco's singer Francesci Di Giacomo is maybe the greatest vocalist of all time. He even sang with Pavarotti. How did you learn about Banco? All of Banco's albums up to about 1980 are all top shelf. They even have two all-instrumental albums 'Di Terra' and 'Garofano Rossa' which lean classical - but I love them. Tragically Francesco Di Giacomo died in a car accident - about 7 (thanks Samuele) years ago. Also - you must check out PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi) to understand the quintessence of RPI - Rock Progressivo Italian. They are considered the big three. One other Italian MUST is more political and much more experimental and are famous for their groundbreaking singer who also passed away - in 1979 - Demetrio Stratos of the band 'Area' also deserve your attention. With that being said - my all-time favorite vocalist is Peter Hammill.
Ty Trev! Only done one song from Banco, but I'd definitely be up for more
@@vdggmouse9512 Yeah, I absolute love Francesci Di Giacomos voice, so much feel, control and power, and at the same time it feels effortless. I'm Norwegian, so I don't mind lyrics in a foreign language.
I learned abuot Banco and so many else from Pete Pardo on Sea of Tranquility (youtube-channel). He has a huge love for prog (also Italian), rock, metal, jazz and fusion from the 60's, 70's, 80's and onwards. I highly recommend his channel to anyone wanting to discover great music.
I've heard some albums from Italian prog acts (YS- Balletto di Bronzo, Semiramis - Dedicato A Frazz, Area - Crac! and PFM - Per Un Amico, are the ones I remeber right now). Area - Crac! , is the first one I'll revisit I think, it just has that wonderful quirky Gentle Giant feel + really interesting jazz leanings. I just need to finish some of my album listens to free up some space in my brain :)
Stiamo parlando di un gruppo musicale di Rock Progressivo anni 1970, di altissimo livello.
FYI: the first four tracks of Quadrophenia MUST be listened to together
A dot separates syllables, an apostrophe indicates the stressed syllable (upside down apostrophe = secondary stress):
Le orme is pronounced [le.ˈor.me]
Uomo di pezza [ˈwɔ.mo.di.ˈpɛt.tsa]
Gioco di bimba [ˈdʒɔ.ko.di.ˈbim.ba]
Aldo Tagliapietra [ˈal.do.ˌta.ʎa.ˈpje.tra]
Toni Pagliuca [ˈtɔ.ni.pa.ˈʎu.ka]
For the vowels, just look up the IPA vowel space, the position of each symvol just tells you straight up where to put your tongue to make the vowel it represents. For the consonants, it's a bit more complicated, you just gotta learn them 😅
Mi piace 💯
LE ORMEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!
BTW now that you start to do Mediterranean prog bands, please do Coses Nostres from the Catalan Iceberg band. A 70’s prog-jazz album
ma quanto bravi sono
Many great european prog bands. Check out PFM - Four holes in the ground. Or Even better the italian version, La Luna nueva. And you have to do Focus some day. Or Norwegian band Popol Ace.
Listen felona e sorona…!!!
You should listen to Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso...
another Italian band = Submarine Silence ; from 2001 album listen to Mr Submatine's ordinary day or Winter Glows
Try ... Area - La mela di Odessa...
If you are going into "exotic" prog rock bands I suggest you to listen to "After the crop" and "rope dancer" by the 70's Belgian prog band Machiavel, 2 superb tracks from great albums.
No track from Jester? ....like a river joins the ocean.
@@vdggmouse9512 You are right of course Jester and Mechanical moonbeams are both great albums
I would suggest PFM "Storia di Un MInuto" whole side at a time, and Osanna "Palepoli " , Banco "Darwin" is also really good
Reinaldo - what do you think of Sensations Fix? I saw them way back - but I like them too. Different.
@@vdggmouse9512 "Fragments of Light" is a great album. It´s also a good choice.
@@reinaldofavoreto7160 Are you Italian ? Do you live in Italy? If you do/did - I want to hear a Demetrios Stratos story! You got any?
@@vdggmouse9512 No, I´m from Brazil.
@@reinaldofavoreto7160 I love Caetano Veloso, Jobim, Gilberto - Quaterna Requiem. Do you know Amir Cantusio? Is he famous over there?
And you don’t have translated the lyrics...
Non so se conosci questi pezzi delle Orme favolosi buon Ascolto 😉ruclips.net/video/ymm8GN9dido/видео.html ruclips.net/video/H1TZ9yGeRB4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/n-iBF06qT8s/видео.html ruclips.net/video/znnhYp7uEWA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/C8YbntSy1v8/видео.html
Please... listen to the italian band AREA, the song called LA MELA DI ODESSA. ThenkYOU.
The album Crac! is great, but it's avant garde prog so maybe not for everyone :)
@@progqueen6219 yes. It's no easy listen to that stuff.. you're right. Thanks.
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