So when you're swiping on tinder, you're as likely to swipe on a white guy with blue eyes, as you are a dark skinned indian or asian guy? The fact is, you do see race and that's why people like bernie are mocked when they make platitudes about being colorblind
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn It's got more to do with their style, personality and interests. Race isn't even a factor for me. Cultural differences maybe, but not race.
@@freelanceopportunist559 You and every other white person keep saying, but when we actually look at your actions, the reverse is true. www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html So when people are cynical of a white person's claim that they aren't racist, we don't buy it. Also, I don't see the difference between racism and assuming someone has a different culture based on their race. That is the same thing .
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn I would never assume someone's culture based on their race. That would become apparent when I interact with them. Race tells me absolutely nothing about a person. I judge people by how they treat me. If they're cool, I'm cool.
Holy cow! We need more independently minded, critical, non-overly simplistic thinking, compassionate, gutsy people like Mr. Coleman Hughes. He gets my vote. Hope he continues from strength to strength.
It makes total sense within the ideology of critical race theory. Once you get your head around the basics of it, everything that is happening - from disdain of MLK to reintroducing segregation - makes total and complete sense. Greetings from the UK.
@@Fenglang1 OP saying it makes sense in that those who are preaching this are the actual racists, the ones who want to reintroduce segregation and special treatment based on race.
It’s so convoluted though because phrases are coded in a way by every side. I want a color blind world is often coded as I don’t support various policies that would help black people specifically to get ahead. Where as acab, on the other side is coded as, I’m ignorant to what policies actually need to take place to reform and better police conduct and I just want to defund the police. We all ought to ask more questions and assume less.
Speaking and thinking in Slogans/propaganda codewords is not constructive. Another important concept is the nuanced thoughts of individuals places most in many differing perceived camps. By pigeonholing/myopic categorizing, you just lost an ally. Thx
Not only that, but bernie has been actively against policies for blacks. He supported jewsish reparations for his people, but then feigns ignorance when it comes to reparations for blacks, and says that "we aren't going to give people checks", which is literally his entire platform: giving people free stuff. lol. I think the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance can lead to black people thinking he is definitely not post racial, but actively hostile to balck people.
I believe that we as black people have the power to help ourselves get ahead but we choose to always look at the police as the problem or the white person as the problem. When In fact we are dying by aborting our children and killing our fellow black person, as well as gang violence. I’m not saying that we shouldnt look at police brutality PERIOD in all races.. I’m saying that we shouldn’t just make it a black thing because people would still be dying and because they aren’t black we just wouldn’t care. No the problem is bad cops period and bad cops aren’t just bad to black people. They are bad to ALL people. So I agree with body cams being something we allow to happen. I guess what I’m saying is we should care about everyone and make it an equal playing field but we as black people cant not focus on what we can actually fix in our own communities without the help of the government.
Why do these people think that noticing we are racially different means we are actually treating people differently? It really takes it into thought crime territory or the old religious silliness of sinful thoughts being as bad as committing a sin.
The elephant in the room here: meritocracy & inequality. Height, gender, race, attractiveness - all of these things are "unfair" in that they decrease your market value as judged by others. This becomes less important when everyone has *enough* - via UBI and/or medicare for all, etc. We see these race issues reaching a boiling point in US as inequality continues to rise. And taxes on the rich are being reduced.
For years, the Theatre, Film and TV industry has promoted “Color-Blind Casting”. As of earlier this year, that was still what it was called. Crazy how things are changing so fast!
Imagine if you couldn't buy a house in certain neighborhoods, go into certain stores, get certain jobs, admitted into certain universities + a lot more all because you were short. The same thing was done to your parents, their parents, their parents, and their parents... What harm do you thing that would do to your family? How long do you thing it would take to recover from that harm?
I am very short, 4, 11 and a half(will likely max out at 5-5,1). While my height has affected me negatively in many ways, I do not see my height as a characteristic of mine that is important. Nor any other characteristic that I didn't choose. However, I also concern myself with the improvement of the ways that people see and treat short people. Since that seems like a fine job to do. Especially since many short men definitely still suffer from discrimination.
@@ZolaniZweni, it would make me work hard enough to start my own, that way I don't have to depend on them. Utilize the game for my family's benefit. Build my own neighborhoods, build my own schools to rival them. Build my businesses to be as good as or better. I wouldn't want handouts or preferential treatment. Use the same game that they use to move ahead of them. There are so many examples of short men in the NBA being better than their much taller counterparts. I'm pretty sure they heard you're too short their whole life, but that didn't stop them. It made them work much harder on their skills because they were not born with the height of others.
I disagree. Pink hair is the _only_ thing Stephen Colbert is missing. If we truly want to live in a post-racial society, we must first acknowledge that Coleman Hughes and Sam Harris are the same person. 😉
Exactly. Colbert will clearly realize he was wrong after enough people rant that it's unfair for him to be a white male with a talk show. But the realization shouldn't have to be that delayed.
The physical characteristics that compose my meat-vessel are not the sum of my identity, just as the physical characteristics that compose your meat-vessel do not influence my preconceptions of you. When we stop operating under a meritocracy, we immediately begin a kakistocracy.
you can't be 100% colorblind and ignore race as a factor in the world, but surely we should all try to be 90% or 95% colorblind? critical race theory really has become racial essentialism, racism by the back door. yikes
I disagree with far left ideologies as well but the world cannot withstand another term of trump. I hope you can find a way. Im an Australian by the way - but we and the world also bear the consequences of USA's actions!
Coleman, I am so glad you are in the world and doing these. I need to hear a little sanity sometimes. I stopped watching Steven Colbert a while back when he got on the woke train. That hurt. I respected him a lot. Nonetheless, it seems to me that it is mostly a class of talkers and activists who make this crazy divisive chatter. I don't think the mainstream Democratic leaders generally are there. And, I believe that a lot of people, regular folks, take pride it trying to deal with folks based on their behavior. (Unless you are short.) I might be wrong. I imagine you already watched this but . . . the final officer's closing words hit my heartstrings. ruclips.net/video/wMe2hou_sgE/видео.html
I grew up in the 90s and the whole goal was for everyone to be colorblind. Seems to me that was a hell of a lot better policy than the current shitshow.
Please can you say cultural left or economic left instead of just left? Because Colbert and co might be culturally left, but there is nothing economically left about them.
I grew up with being color blind as an ideal to strive for. Granted it always seemed naive but this current culture of observing color as much as possible and basing how you view someone bc of it feels toxic. It is true that being color blind doesn't mean that others will be,but the more each of us makes our identity front and center, the more impossible it is to get to a place where society truly doesn't care what color you are. Isn't that something we should want?
In the future, instead of accepting responsibility and accountability for their direct actions, Woko Haram will look back on all the hate (ironically), division, burning, looting, community destruction, protester and police death, and they will blame it on whatever white political opponents still exist in the future. They’ll look at your bank account or your skin color and say you were responsible, if for no other reason than your “silence is violence”. It doesn’t matter how ineffective or even counterproductive their policies might be, you’ll still be blamed because “at least they tried” and “we had to do SOMETHING”. It’s nihilism to the core, they just want to profiteer off turning a bad situation into an intractable one.
As you say, people are discriminated against for a variety of reasons, from skin color to how tall you are, etc., but not all of these discriminations will have a profound impact on the development of your character. If people are to be judged upon their character, we need to settle how a person's character is developed, and what, if any, complications people need to overcome for this development to take place. It's an old Aristotelean idea - a necessary condition for a virtuous character is a good upbringing, in relation to ethics. So, what stands in the way of a good ethical upbringing? Bernie's focus on class will surely locate this in the lack of access to societal resources, in education, health care, economy, social and geographic mobility, etc. The habituation of ethical characteristics are inhibited by more fundamental class struggles. If women are treating short men discriminatory, as you say, this will probably not have such an impact on the person's ethical character-development. Your access to a good upbringing is not jeopardized, and your ethical development is not restricted by this. You could seek a less discriminatory partner, without having to sacrifice your availability to societal resources. This will not be true of all the other ways in which people are discriminated against. One critique against colorblindness is that racial discrimination will indeed impact a person's character-development (in a way that is different from the discrimination of, say, short men). This racial discrimination therefore needs particular consideration, apart from the wider class struggle. The critique against Bernie's colorblind statement, as I take it, is that he envelop this particular racial discrimination in a broader class discrimination, which fails to give appropriate acknowledgment of the particulars. A counter-argument to this would be that, once you have the societal resources allocated to the middle class, racial discrimination, even though it will still be experienced, will not be a profound barrier to developing your character. You can therefore, now, be adequately judged on your character, without consideration of particular discriminations.
Anders Næss character development is an extremely complex, individual process that can’t be linked to something as generic demographic categories. What they are arguing for is an individual meritocracy rather than value based on group membership.
@@buddhadrome If character development is an individual process unlinked to demography, there would be no visible discrepancies between demographics with regards to values. There would be no demographic discrepancy in, say, absent fathers. I take your point that this discussion was about Bernie's reply on how to look at candidates within a diverse Democratic Party, and not particularly about ethics. But Bernie ended his quote rather generally, "... we have got to try to move us toward a nondiscriminatory society which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for". I take it that "what people stand for" are their values, their character. And then the topic about character development is relevant for the discussion. But the same would hold for the development of merits too. Would racial discrimination have an impact on your ability to earn merits and build character? Would discrimination based on your length have the same impact?
@@buddhadrome If your research shows weak correlations between your studied demographic populations, then obviously you invalidate your research findings. But there is no need to invalidate demographic research as a whole, and dismiss demographic correlations as categorically weak. At the end of this clip Sam Harris claims a correlation between the demographic group of women, and their preference for taller men (in lieu of financial compensation). Would you tell Harris that just because his statement is based on a demographic population that his correlations are weak?
Anders Næss he is not claiming that therefore some type of large scale change should be made by women towards short men - he’s using it as an example of how these types of relationships are largely meaningless. He also does not suggest any sort of causation. The same issue exists in the gender pay gap. The gap exists (correlation) but you cannot assume sexism. The gap in and of itself is largely meaningless. Focusing of equality of outcomes in large demographic groups is irrational.
Just came along a post on insta, that was taken from twitter, that said: "I need white middle class students to realize that higher education is built around their culture and their norms. It's not a 'neutral' culture, it's white culture. And everyone else who has to actively learn and perform that culture and it's exhausting" she followed it up with "Most white middle clas students don't even realize that's the culture of the school bc it's the default to them and it's normal for them to be a majority" another person replied with "The erasure of white culture benefits white people, because it erases our culpability. YES. There is no 'neutral' culture and no 'neutral' education. Right now, every day, white culture/supremacy is reinforced to benefit white people. It's sick and sad." it is a lot but I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Umm what??? Sorry, not political at all still learning... but from what I’ve watched and researched almost all higher educational institutions all fall in line with Liberalism, all the “ISM’s” are learned there. It’s where most turn Left or become even more so. And where many conservatives fear voicing their point of view. I’m sure you were expecting thought provoking verbiage. Of which I am not great at lol. 😅😅😅
Karni just thought of something, why are they so worried about what others are doing or thinking? Unless of course they’ve achieved enlightenment and treat everyone as they themselves wish to be treated.... And if this is so worrying then why not go to the damn source. Put your questions to the institution and the ones in POWER to make the necessary changes that one actually wants. I never thought that MSM would lead us astray.. and have found recently that MSM stretch the truth sooooooo much that it almost borders on lies. Who am I kidding. It’s all lies. It’s a scary thing when you don’t know who to believe anymore.
people seem to conflate racism in its textbook definition and racism in its historical context in the US (because everywhere else in the world it would be somewhat different) Yes, we are trying to make a "colorblind" society, and Sanders was one of those people way back then when they were fighting against the idea that black people are like the devil incarnated. The thing is that I know a lot of people who (are white and) talk about this issue removing all historical context. For them, since all of a sudden in the 60's black people had been granted the benefit of freedom, they thought that that alone made everything become stacked equally. It just happens to be that it isn't. We need to invest MORE in some communities than others, yes! We need to hear people when they complain about suffering and not try to shove some statistic in their face. We have to work together to find solutions (I am reminded of a BRILLIANT Joe Rogan podcast episode with Jock Willink from earlier this year) Sanders is clearly not one of those people who DON'T see the socio-economical disadvantage you have being born certain ways in the US, so it sucks to treat him like one. He is, however, still from another generation where they had to fight against the idea of hating black people in and of itself. Now, racism isn't something you are proud of just like 50 years ago, quite the opposite. Consider it racism level 2, a more difficult boss battle where the boss now isn't even convinced they are basing certain positions on racist undertones, they think they are the "progressives" that simply believe that personal responsibility is the ONLY factor influencing a person's life. It ain't the only factor... Although it does make up a very important part of it, I admit.
No, trillions have been dumped into inner cities with no improvement. More black leaders have been put into power into those areas and instead of helping, things are getting worse. We’ve listened to their pain and stories of racism countless times before and quite frankly, some of us are tired of hearing about it. I find it’s a no win situation especially now since supposedly everything is racist and white supremacy is lurking around every corner.
@@billsimms2511 so what is your suggestion/solution? or maybe I am not completely sure if I am understanding what you see as the problem in and of itself. In your opinion, why is the world the way that it is?
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Yeah I can see your colour, but it tells me nothing about how cool or annoying you might be, so i couldn't care less about it.
This... So so much.
So when you're swiping on tinder, you're as likely to swipe on a white guy with blue eyes, as you are a dark skinned indian or asian guy? The fact is, you do see race and that's why people like bernie are mocked when they make platitudes about being colorblind
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn
It's got more to do with their style, personality and interests.
Race isn't even a factor for me.
Cultural differences maybe, but not race.
@@freelanceopportunist559 You and every other white person keep saying, but when we actually look at your actions, the reverse is true. www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html
So when people are cynical of a white person's claim that they aren't racist, we don't buy it.
Also, I don't see the difference between racism and assuming someone has a different culture based on their race. That is the same thing .
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn
I would never assume someone's culture based on their race. That would become apparent when I interact with them. Race tells me absolutely nothing about a person.
I judge people by how they treat me. If they're cool, I'm cool.
Holy cow! We need more independently minded, critical, non-overly simplistic thinking, compassionate, gutsy people like Mr. Coleman Hughes. He gets my vote. Hope he continues from strength to strength.
It makes total sense within the ideology of critical race theory. Once you get your head around the basics of it, everything that is happening - from disdain of MLK to reintroducing segregation - makes total and complete sense. Greetings from the UK.
are you arguing for or against?
@@Fenglang1 OP saying it makes sense in that those who are preaching this are the actual racists, the ones who want to reintroduce segregation and special treatment based on race.
Focus on solutions - so what do we do if everyone accepts and agrees with you? What do you want? Land? Money? Say what you want - talk of solutions.
The social justice warriors don't judge any solution ideas though
Yep, I am living in the future. I don't care about race.
I am not blind to racial injustice, I can see that it is a result of not enough colour blindness.
i have never heard of this guy but 20 seconds in, i like the way he stops and thinks before talking without filler words. seems like a real intuitive
It’s so convoluted though because phrases are coded in a way by every side. I want a color blind world is often coded as I don’t support various policies that would help black people specifically to get ahead. Where as acab, on the other side is coded as, I’m ignorant to what policies actually need to take place to reform and better police conduct and I just want to defund the police. We all ought to ask more questions and assume less.
Speaking and thinking in Slogans/propaganda codewords is not constructive. Another important concept is the nuanced thoughts of individuals places most in many differing perceived camps. By pigeonholing/myopic categorizing, you just lost an ally. Thx
@JBourneID Define wrong. If I wanted to take away benefits for vets, would that be wrong?
Not only that, but bernie has been actively against policies for blacks. He supported jewsish reparations for his people, but then feigns ignorance when it comes to reparations for blacks, and says that "we aren't going to give people checks", which is literally his entire platform: giving people free stuff. lol. I think the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance can lead to black people thinking he is definitely not post racial, but actively hostile to balck people.
I believe that we as black people have the power to help ourselves get ahead but we choose to always look at the police as the problem or the white person as the problem. When In fact we are dying by aborting our children and killing our fellow black person, as well as gang violence. I’m not saying that we shouldnt look at police brutality PERIOD in all races.. I’m saying that we shouldn’t just make it a black thing because people would still be dying and because they aren’t black we just wouldn’t care. No the problem is bad cops period and bad cops aren’t just bad to black people. They are bad to ALL people. So I agree with body cams being something we allow to happen. I guess what I’m saying is we should care about everyone and make it an equal playing field but we as black people cant not focus on what we can actually fix in our own communities without the help of the government.
The Golden Goddess --Yes. Placing yourself as a victim is difficult to overcome.
Why do these people think that noticing we are racially different means we are actually treating people differently? It really takes it into thought crime territory or the old religious silliness of sinful thoughts being as bad as committing a sin.
Can we get Aaron Mcgruder on here?
Strange mix up of individuals but I believe that you two could produce some great bits of conversation.
The elephant in the room here: meritocracy & inequality. Height, gender, race, attractiveness - all of these things are "unfair" in that they decrease your market value as judged by others. This becomes less important when everyone has *enough* - via UBI and/or medicare for all, etc. We see these race issues reaching a boiling point in US as inequality continues to rise. And taxes on the rich are being reduced.
Wokists want to turn back time but with positions reversed. Somehow that would be justice
Make Post Racialism Great Again! (and I'm not being sarcastic with that - we need this desperately now!)
For years, the Theatre, Film and TV industry has promoted “Color-Blind Casting”. As of earlier this year, that was still what it was called. Crazy how things are changing so fast!
It's Sam Harris White and Sam Harris Black, everyone!
What’s up with the ending music cutting over the last sentence?
That is where the topic ends. The full podcast is available on the channel.
Sal3600, I know but the music should start when the sentence stops!!
As a short man, I can attest that I by no means view my life through the prism of being short. I feel bad for those that do.
I don't anymore, but like many with huge flaws it definitely takes work to get over it. Props to you for never falling into that trap.
Imagine if you couldn't buy a house in certain neighborhoods, go into certain stores, get certain jobs, admitted into certain universities + a lot more all because you were short. The same thing was done to your parents, their parents, their parents, and their parents...
What harm do you thing that would do to your family?
How long do you thing it would take to recover from that harm?
I am very short, 4, 11 and a half(will likely max out at 5-5,1). While my height has affected me negatively in many ways, I do not see my height as a characteristic of mine that is important. Nor any other characteristic that I didn't choose. However, I also concern myself with the improvement of the ways that people see and treat short people. Since that seems like a fine job to do. Especially since many short men definitely still suffer from discrimination.
@@ZolaniZweni, it would make me work hard enough to start my own, that way I don't have to depend on them. Utilize the game for my family's benefit. Build my own neighborhoods, build my own schools to rival them. Build my businesses to be as good as or better. I wouldn't want handouts or preferential treatment. Use the same game that they use to move ahead of them.
There are so many examples of short men in the NBA being better than their much taller counterparts. I'm pretty sure they heard you're too short their whole life, but that didn't stop them. It made them work much harder on their skills because they were not born with the height of others.
Damn Harris, back at it again with the black polo
I disagree. Pink hair is the _only_ thing Stephen Colbert is missing. If we truly want to live in a post-racial society, we must first acknowledge that Coleman Hughes and Sam Harris are the same person. 😉
I am trying to understand polarity, is this an unexpected example of it?
0:19 well familiar "uhm"
*Race is the new chick in town*
Race has been in town for the past 500 years. White people need to demonstrate where, when and how she left.
How do we get people to understand their thinking is skewed without them having to be on the receiving end of lunacy?
Exactly. Colbert will clearly realize he was wrong after enough people rant that it's unfair for him to be a white male with a talk show. But the realization shouldn't have to be that delayed.
Treating people as individuals regardless of their race and other physical attributes... what an insane concept in 2020.
The physical characteristics that compose my meat-vessel are not the sum of my identity, just as the physical characteristics that compose your meat-vessel do not influence my preconceptions of you.
When we stop operating under a meritocracy, we immediately begin a kakistocracy.
Coleman Hughes is the black Ben Stiller. A national treasure.
you can't be 100% colorblind and ignore race as a factor in the world, but surely we should all try to be 90% or 95% colorblind? critical race theory really has become racial essentialism, racism by the back door. yikes
We are living in the twilight zone. Reason and logic is deemed as the devil it seems.
Just don’t lose sight of the fact that when it comes to insane lack of reasoning the left has nothing on the craziness spewing from the trumpites.
I just can't see how I can ever vote democrat again
I disagree with far left ideologies as well but the world cannot withstand another term of trump. I hope you can find a way. Im an Australian by the way - but we and the world also bear the consequences of USA's actions!
Then I don't see how you could ever vote Republican either, since they're exponentially worse.
Carth Canten I used to think that as well but not anymore
Know Nothing I pretty much understand what you’re saying except the “nicer” part. I don’t know what you mean by that. I see the opposite in that
Know Nothing the one who is promoting and wants to enforce things like hate speech laws is the nicer one? That is delusional beyond comprehension
Coleman, I am so glad you are in the world and doing these. I need to hear a little sanity sometimes.
I stopped watching Steven Colbert a while back when he got on the woke train. That hurt. I respected him a lot.
Nonetheless, it seems to me that it is mostly a class of talkers and activists who make this crazy divisive chatter. I don't think the mainstream Democratic leaders generally are there. And, I believe that a lot of people, regular folks, take pride it trying to deal with folks based on their behavior. (Unless you are short.) I might be wrong.
I imagine you already watched this but . . . the final officer's closing words hit my heartstrings. ruclips.net/video/wMe2hou_sgE/видео.html
I grew up in the 90s and the whole goal was for everyone to be colorblind. Seems to me that was a hell of a lot better policy than the current shitshow.
Please can you say cultural left or economic left instead of just left? Because Colbert and co might be culturally left, but there is nothing economically left about them.
I grew up with being color blind as an ideal to strive for. Granted it always seemed naive but this current culture of observing color as much as possible and basing how you view someone bc of it feels toxic. It is true that being color blind doesn't mean that others will be,but the more each of us makes our identity front and center, the more impossible it is to get to a place where society truly doesn't care what color you are. Isn't that something we should want?
In the future, instead of accepting responsibility and accountability for their direct actions, Woko Haram will look back on all the hate (ironically), division, burning, looting, community destruction, protester and police death, and they will blame it on whatever white political opponents still exist in the future. They’ll look at your bank account or your skin color and say you were responsible, if for no other reason than your “silence is violence”. It doesn’t matter how ineffective or even counterproductive their policies might be, you’ll still be blamed because “at least they tried” and “we had to do SOMETHING”. It’s nihilism to the core, they just want to profiteer off turning a bad situation into an intractable one.
Woko Haram :DD
sam was on ? howd i miss !
The future is grim
As you say, people are discriminated against for a variety of reasons, from skin color to how tall you are, etc., but not all of these discriminations will have a profound impact on the development of your character. If people are to be judged upon their character, we need to settle how a person's character is developed, and what, if any, complications people need to overcome for this development to take place.
It's an old Aristotelean idea - a necessary condition for a virtuous character is a good upbringing, in relation to ethics. So, what stands in the way of a good ethical upbringing? Bernie's focus on class will surely locate this in the lack of access to societal resources, in education, health care, economy, social and geographic mobility, etc. The habituation of ethical characteristics are inhibited by more fundamental class struggles.
If women are treating short men discriminatory, as you say, this will probably not have such an impact on the person's ethical character-development. Your access to a good upbringing is not jeopardized, and your ethical development is not restricted by this. You could seek a less discriminatory partner, without having to sacrifice your availability to societal resources. This will not be true of all the other ways in which people are discriminated against.
One critique against colorblindness is that racial discrimination will indeed impact a person's character-development (in a way that is different from the discrimination of, say, short men). This racial discrimination therefore needs particular consideration, apart from the wider class struggle. The critique against Bernie's colorblind statement, as I take it, is that he envelop this particular racial discrimination in a broader class discrimination, which fails to give appropriate acknowledgment of the particulars.
A counter-argument to this would be that, once you have the societal resources allocated to the middle class, racial discrimination, even though it will still be experienced, will not be a profound barrier to developing your character. You can therefore, now, be adequately judged on your character, without consideration of particular discriminations.
Anders Næss character development is an extremely complex, individual process that can’t be linked to something as generic demographic categories. What they are arguing for is an individual meritocracy rather than value based on group membership.
@@buddhadrome If character development is an individual process unlinked to demography, there would be no visible discrepancies between demographics with regards to values. There would be no demographic discrepancy in, say, absent fathers.
I take your point that this discussion was about Bernie's reply on how to look at candidates within a diverse Democratic Party, and not particularly about ethics. But Bernie ended his quote rather generally, "... we have got to try to move us toward a nondiscriminatory society which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for". I take it that "what people stand for" are their values, their character. And then the topic about character development is relevant for the discussion. But the same would hold for the development of merits too.
Would racial discrimination have an impact on your ability to earn merits and build character? Would discrimination based on your length have the same impact?
Anders Næss demographic differences are very weak correlations. There is far more variance within a group than between them
@@buddhadrome If your research shows weak correlations between your studied demographic populations, then obviously you invalidate your research findings. But there is no need to invalidate demographic research as a whole, and dismiss demographic correlations as categorically weak.
At the end of this clip Sam Harris claims a correlation between the demographic group of women, and their preference for taller men (in lieu of financial compensation). Would you tell Harris that just because his statement is based on a demographic population that his correlations are weak?
Anders Næss he is not claiming that therefore some type of large scale change should be made by women towards short men - he’s using it as an example of how these types of relationships are largely meaningless. He also does not suggest any sort of causation.
The same issue exists in the gender pay gap. The gap exists (correlation) but you cannot assume sexism. The gap in and of itself is largely meaningless. Focusing of equality of outcomes in large demographic groups is irrational.
Just came along a post on insta, that was taken from twitter, that said: "I need white middle class students to realize that higher education is built around their culture and their norms. It's not a 'neutral' culture, it's white culture. And everyone else who has to actively learn and perform that culture and it's exhausting"
she followed it up with "Most white middle clas students don't even realize that's the culture of the school bc it's the default to them and it's normal for them to be a majority"
another person replied with "The erasure of white culture benefits white people, because it erases our culpability. YES. There is no 'neutral' culture and no 'neutral' education. Right now, every day, white culture/supremacy is reinforced to benefit white people. It's sick and sad."
it is a lot but I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Umm what??? Sorry, not political at all still learning... but from what I’ve watched and researched almost all higher educational institutions all fall in line with Liberalism, all the “ISM’s” are learned there. It’s where most turn Left or become even more so. And where many conservatives fear voicing their point of view. I’m sure you were expecting thought provoking verbiage. Of which I am not great at lol. 😅😅😅
@@lilpriestess that's a good point. To read that post was thought provoking enough lol If you go left just far enough you end up on the right
Karni just thought of something, why are they so worried about what others are doing or thinking? Unless of course they’ve achieved enlightenment and treat everyone as they themselves wish to be treated.... And if this is so worrying then why not go to the damn source. Put your questions to the institution and the ones in POWER to make the necessary changes that one actually wants. I never thought that MSM would lead us astray.. and have found recently that MSM stretch the truth sooooooo much that it almost borders on lies. Who am I kidding. It’s all lies. It’s a scary thing when you don’t know who to believe anymore.
Karni sorry I kinda went off topic. Lol my bad.
@@lilpriestess what is MSM?
Bernie Sanders said that? His ideology & policies Absolutely defy that. #SocialismIsSlavery #EqualOutcomeVsEqualOpportunity
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people seem to conflate racism in its textbook definition and racism in its historical context in the US (because everywhere else in the world it would be somewhat different)
Yes, we are trying to make a "colorblind" society, and Sanders was one of those people way back then when they were fighting against the idea that black people are like the devil incarnated. The thing is that I know a lot of people who (are white and) talk about this issue removing all historical context. For them, since all of a sudden in the 60's black people had been granted the benefit of freedom, they thought that that alone made everything become stacked equally.
It just happens to be that it isn't. We need to invest MORE in some communities than others, yes! We need to hear people when they complain about suffering and not try to shove some statistic in their face. We have to work together to find solutions (I am reminded of a BRILLIANT Joe Rogan podcast episode with Jock Willink from earlier this year)
Sanders is clearly not one of those people who DON'T see the socio-economical disadvantage you have being born certain ways in the US, so it sucks to treat him like one. He is, however, still from another generation where they had to fight against the idea of hating black people in and of itself. Now, racism isn't something you are proud of just like 50 years ago, quite the opposite. Consider it racism level 2, a more difficult boss battle where the boss now isn't even convinced they are basing certain positions on racist undertones, they think they are the "progressives" that simply believe that personal responsibility is the ONLY factor influencing a person's life. It ain't the only factor... Although it does make up a very important part of it, I admit.
No, trillions have been dumped into inner cities with no improvement. More black leaders have been put into power into those areas and instead of helping, things are getting worse. We’ve listened to their pain and stories of racism countless times before and quite frankly, some of us are tired of hearing about it. I find it’s a no win situation especially now since supposedly everything is racist and white supremacy is lurking around every corner.
@@billsimms2511 so what is your suggestion/solution?
or maybe I am not completely sure if I am understanding what you see as the problem in and of itself. In your opinion, why is the world the way that it is?
Height privelage.
Or beauty privilege?
@@minjiudai3411 don’t forget IQ privilege
In defence: I’ve heard short men make far better partners.
Color Blind means to be unable to see all colors equally well. Seems like a poor use of the word, no?
No one is that literal.