Well, you can’t say I’m not thorough… Crazy that I’ve made 3+ hours of content for this series and didn’t even mention that Kaz legit forgot they already had a music replay feature in GT3 lol (This is what I mean when I say it’s important to have an eye on the past as well...) Anyway, I just set-up a Patreon so if you like what you see here, or in any of my other videos, and want to support me further, here you go!: patreon.com/Roflwaffle It’s fairly basic right now but I do plan on expanding the perks and adding another tier. If you’ve got any suggestions do let me know!
GT4 had a replay camera mode that would match the camera movements with the music. In some places even make it look like a drug induced fever dream. It was amazing. I was surprised when I discovered when GT5 didn't have it. Now I understand why. What's wrong with retaining the good shit from your own previous works Kaz?! Forza Motorsport 4 has a rotating camera in the Xbox 360. It came out 13 fucking years ago.
@roflwaffle16 Thanks once more for a fascinating insight from your view of the game, can't disagree with anything you've said. One screen comment reminds me of something I said once, I enjoyed watching Spiderman: Far From Home, but I thought Spiderman: Far From Home was a terrible film. ...A valid point, if people understand the thinking behind my scribblings... Oh, you have an addition request pending, sir!
I would love to see someone like you do a video comparing GT7 to FM7. Even if just preliminary going through the campaign and spending a good chunk of hours with it just to compare. I've been out of the world of GT since 5. And have been watching your series on GT7, It feels like the same exact people made both the 7s in each franchise. I was wanting GT7 to come to PC at some point. But from what it sounds like, It has almost nothing to offer from a singleplayer standpoint. Which is just sad. I even now believe FM7 is the better game if you dont play multiplayer. Despite its abysmal flaws and progressive lacking and scaling back of features over the franchises life.
@KTH96 it's not just about how easy it would be to fix. Sure they can add races, but now that means nothing. You already have everything in the game to beat the races like nothing, so even if they do add races, it would be worthless. They have to make a new game in order to fix this.
Tbh, I think your biggest and real complaint is that Forza and Microsoft are not around kicking Sony and GTs ass. Yes we all love GT in some way shape or form, but without real competition everything stagnates. No one pushes boundaries, no one is making game changing moves. So there is no competition for GT in its catagory, Horizon 5 is literally in the exact same position also, the stagnation friggen sucks.
I'm just sitting here, wondering what happened to carbon hoods. Like the car customization was expanded upon.. but carbon hoods vanished. What sense does that make?
Incredibly stubborn developer who refuses to polish the rough edges and do things that would vastly improve the game. The fact cars get increased in price to reflect "real world values" inside of a game really speaks volumes. Everything is done in a vacuum where they think they are right and the game is perfect and they refuse to even engage with the community. GT7 will be the last GT that I pre-order, and perhaps buy, and I've been buying/playing since GT1, typically buying the latest console generation only because of GT. I was very disappointed with the release, and subsequent patching was slow and targeted at things that had no benefit to players/customers.
They're literally adding new content such as cars, circuits, menus, events, missing functionality brought back, HOW THE FUCK ISN'T THAT FOR THE PLAYERS?
I've played GT1-4, then Sport and now GT7. (I didn't have a PS3). I fully agree with your takes. Single player campaign is meh, Cars have no sportman-like AI, just rolling roadblocks. And the roulette system is totally crap and insulting to the player. Still. I play it in PSVR2 with a G29 steering wheel which is an amazing experience. The only downside is the points you bring up. In Single player there are no races. Only stupid challenges. It feels like it's kinda like a race, but it's a stupid In Media Res kinda thing. Another thing about GT7 in general, is I don't really care about most of the cars. Now Formula One is awesome to me. The EA F1 20XX games are great. Beautiful car models, great tracks, and REAL RACING! Practice, qualifying, actual races and tracks, a full season racing against real world drivers not an AI car with a guys face stuck on it that has none of their skill or personality, just a rolling roadblock to overcome. If F1 23 goes to VR, which I hear is a rumor, I'm likely to jump ship and only play that instead.
Gran Turismo 7 is like a sports video game where they focus on the uniforms but couldn't care less whether the game has the same rules as the real sport. Imagine a soccer video game where the players didn't move, but the harder the difficulty, they just got taller and bigger making it more difficult to dribble around them. That's GT7 in a nutshell.
Gt7 is like F1 at Miami. Show, glitter, glamour and the national anthem, which has no place at all in F1, every aspect just a bit more embarrassing than the last. Fake water, icecream at $250 a cone…
Great series dude, been a GT player since GT2 and I'm playing GT7 on PS4 myself. My main experience is the game doesn't really compel me to do a "proper session" on it like even Sport did. I'll quite often just fire the game up, do a circuit experience or a race long enough to get the driving marathon and call it a day. My main issue with it is there's no events that really grab me to do again and again for the fun of it like in previous games, except maybe the Missions, but they're annoyingly a "one and done" type deal...
hey dude, im planning to buy a ps5 and want a nice car game like gt series or others. I've never had any gt games or any game console. would you suggest me gt7, if not, what would you suggest?
Play multiplayer. Single player racing is dead, has been since online racing became a thing. All the other sims out there have appalling AI and no campaign to speak of, it's just no longer a focus for devs, because we live in a multiplayer world. Just like CoD and Battlefield having single player components that last an evening, most racing games do the same. Get online, if you're afraid of messing up, don't be. No one cares if you suck. At least that's what I tell myself as I get punted out of the first turn for braking too early.
@@vgaportauthority9932 no, you're wrong. many people still play singleplayer racing games today, heck id even say NFS Unbound is a good modern example of it, its decent and people enjoy it, it doesnt shit on its predecessors like GT7 or FH5. plus there are also hidden gems of racing games
Thank you so much for this series, you are essentially voicing 95% of the whole GT community. I honestly felt GTSport was a betrayal to the series, but, in all its honesty, it had a clearer vision and even the trailers gave the implicit message that it wouldn't the classic GT we were accustomed to. Nowadays, I appreciate it a lot more. Instead, GT7, a numbered entry of the series, is really the epitome of a vision that the community doesn't want to begin with. Also, Infinite Azure from Tekken 7 as the ending background music, epic.
16:23 is one of the most spot on point that you made. It's ironic because Kaz's mindset towards "looking towards the future" falls flat on its face because the game itself doesn't even feature more than 20 cars from the past 4 years. Adding cars that no one asked for and continuing to make the game a literal piece of eye candy.
Exactly. When your only goal is realism, you're probably going to mess everything else and don't care to fix it. For example, i have never played GT7, but it seems that things like photo mode (wich is always love, because i love photography and usually GT games simulate this pretty well), get a lot more attention that they should (especially considering that most people won't even use it that much)
The major rub I have with updates: PD has proven that they can quickly fix problems that affect the game when they want to. They updated EVERY "glitched" car that would allow fast money from Tokyo. PD also fixed a major issue people were having in the online lobby event. PD's refusal to allow a decent payout for create a race, and zero fun grid starts, and no actual rolling career mode. PD is, as you said, just giving us the middle finger when they could easily give us a great, COMPLETE game! If PD suddenly adds a career mode after Forza Motorsport 8 releases with one, it will be OBVIOUS that PD only cares if they will lose market share. SMFH
@@andruzznaist.n.g5135 not ALL companies are out for MAXIMUM profit with minimum effort. Some companies actually try to deliver quality for their customers.
@@racelegend799 People still cry their eyes out regardless of how good devs do their jobs. I remember Wrath of the Lich King in WoW.. The whining was _unbelievable_ even though it was the last expansion where Blizzard TRULY cared a LOT about making an amazing game. They made an amazing expansion and the community just cried and cried and cried. This is what happens in games that replace people's lives.. From the perspective of someone who doesn't spend most of his time on forums waiting for people to whine, the loud whining just seemed like lunatics losing their minds over minutia. "THIS DESTROYS THE GAME REEEEEE!!!!" all day long.. Looking back, Wrath is the favorite expansion for SO MANY PEOPLE... But the whining was deafening at the time. Getting the exact same vibe from GT fans.. In 10 years, someone is going to be whining like crazy about GT9 while talking about how amazing GT7 was. Endless series of crybabies.
@FILEST Look at Steam Deck, Steam Play/Proton compatibility layers and the recent beta branch for Steam clients as of late. If you take one glance at those and say Valve is only maximizing their profits then you’re just as naïve as racelegend. @VGA Port Authority and you’re also complaining about people complaining about the game. I don’t even know how you can draw parallel between GT7 and WotLK after watching this video.
@@racelegend799 doing less for more doesn't equal to low quality, is the whole basis of interactive/audiovisual production as a whole, you'll always look for the compromise between quality and cost and if you can save some extra money, do it.
‘Oh, I can’t wait for Polyphony to include the autonomous Tesla!’ said no one ever. For me, and I’m biased, it’s all about the old, venerated cars. That’s why I play racing games at all: to drive the cars I dream of driving but never will irl. They’re on display in musea. Or at least they’re collector’s pieces. I’m very much not interested in the latest and newest EV SUV.
I don't understand why they can't add more events or make decent grid starts. The Goodwood races in real life that are held every year with classic cars are amazing because despite your position, every one is racing neck and neck and trading paint with each other. Meanwhile my excitement for the introduction of Goodwood circuit in GT7 quickly waned when the 3 or 4 events in it (Jesus fucking Christ) all have rolling starts. It's like racing in the streets among people who don't even know they're in a race. They're just driving to work. Might as well be a No Hesi server from Assetto Corsa.
"It's like racing in the street among people who don't even know they're in a race. They're just driving to work. " BRILLIANT. It's baffling that a racing game can get this fundamental concept so wrong.
I'm in disbelief this is a real thing. Hell, you have to unlock Le Mans apparently, even in Forza Motorsport with the wayward AI it often has, you can have spectacular fights with other cars.
@@purwantiallan5089Oh absolutely. The mods is what makes the game. But imagine if the ai traffic in no hesi were the actual opponents. That's GT7 ai for me.
If they just remastered GT4 with next gen graphics, driving physics, current/old cars and a simple online mode.. oh man, us old GT fans would break the internet
41:25 IF Kazunori truly is the type of guy ''lets make each game almost from ground up again'', we will never see the Gran Turismo we expect. (some mix of GT2 to GT4)
A mix of GT2 and GT4 with graphics and details of GT7 would be a massive work!! I think that the mahor problem about nowadays games is too much focus on online rather than make a decent offline story mode. They deliver an incomplete game, and some easy adjustement that would be made, they complete ignore. I haven't played GT7 yet, but seeing some gameplays made me feel tired and unmotivated of this game.
If you want to see how out of touch Poly and Kaz really are, you need to look no further than some of the Playstation trophies for GT7. I looked a day or two ago and literally laughed out loud when I saw it. Some of the least achieved trophies in the game are just insanely simple things you can do in the photo mode of the game. They clearly thought that feature was going to be so popular and not only made trophies for it, but made them bronze trophies as if everyone was going to get it on day 1. A year later some of these trophies are sub-five-percent of all players have ever got these trophies. What made me literally laugh out loud is getting gold on all licenses is a gold trophy that MORE people got than some of these photo mode trophies. I myself got gold on all licenses and don't have any of these photo mode trophies lol. Imagine buying a game to play it. Weird. Also, I don't know if its worse that they thought more people would like scapes over racing (which is f***in insane), or the fact that there even is an S license with literally no races that even apply to the license, or even so few races that are even the style of racing for the license (i.e. Formula, GR1, etc).
Exactly the same, golded all licenses within the first couple of weeks, didn't bother with the photo trophies. The incredible thing is that a bunch of these trophies are copied over identically from GT Sport. They couldn't even be bothered to create new ones to replace them. Insane.
I am/was actually trying to get all the licenses and missions and then started trying circuit experiences. I tried scapes once and never again (net have been regular photo mode actually). I’m there tu race and make liveries/love the racing team dream (therefore livery matches the race suit save the liveries are consistent across vehicles complete with a race number). The racing (against the AI) is awful though and if you don’t like the daily races you’re out of luck
Creating a race literally consists of picking a track, setting a few parameters and designing a simple cover artwork - something an intern could do in an hour. They could have an intern work for two weeks and give us hundreds of races. Seriously.
As I said before, GT7 is basically the embodiment of today's 'car culture'. Simply chasing clouts and willy waving of who can spend the most amount of money on the car they would never drive only for them to make even more money. Made me want to vomit, and made me hate 'car culture' in general today. And this comes from someone who lives from car stuffs, and absolutely went head-over-heels at a mere sight of 991 Speedster.
There are a lot of aspects of car culture even in this day and age. The ones you described are just the loudest. That's all. The loudest with the most Instagram views. The majority don't live and breathe Instagram. They just live and breathe cars and do their thing.
You could replace “Gran Turismo” with “DCS World” “Asobo’s Microsoft Flight Simulator”, “Star Citizen”, “World Of Warcraft” or hundreds of other game franchises. The game industry as a whole has found and exploited a hack. The good will of their audience. The Industry has become a cynical endeavor designed to churn over content with the primary goal of feeding online play subscriptions. It failed to properly scale itself beyond 720p/SVGA scope back in the early 2000’s. So cost runaways and visuals over playability and “We’ll get around to fixing that later maybe” has become the accepted development paradigm. It’s especially bad with “sims” but as Cyberpunk or Fallout 76 showed, it’s not exclusive to sims.
20 years ago they had no realistic graphics and had to compensate with a fun career and gameplay. Today they have realistic graphics and think thats all it needs. Everything besides that went bad. Its so sad. What bothers me for example is the game tells you that you should avoid contact to other cars but they don't do anything for it. How cool would it be when we had a good damage model where we have to repair our cars after races if we had crashes. This way we would learn to drive clean. The way it is now its more like a bumper cars race with no consequences. Or to have tire wear and fuel consumption that we actively need to replace/refill. There are so many cool things that could be in it and most of it would only require some formulas implemented in it to simulate it. When playing GT7 I had dozens of cool ideas for a revolutionary racing game but sadly I'm not Kazunori Yamauchi O.o
You know that quote where they say something along the lines of "you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain"? That's how i feel about Gran Turismo and other driving series. In fact, this applies pretty well to a lot of games that i grew up with, not just racing games.
You all really love doing this, it's always a black or white scenario or else the nature of things are falling apart when something isn't falling inline with your shit. It's the same doom and gloom I been hearing for stuff since Disney brought Star Wars, when RUclipsrs finally choose to stop associating with their shitty past (Idubbz), or when a game's story doesn't end the way they want even though it made complete sense how and why it ended the way it did (LOU2). The same ol cry baby gamers that usually have the loudest voices.
They focused on car collecting and made prices realistic... car collecting IRL is a ***tshow have you seen ae86 prices ? people are buing 80's s**tbox and hoping thay get racecar with engine capable of 240bhp at 11k rpm ?
21:27 I could cry at seeing that, made that point in a video of my own and have never saw anyone talking about it. Thanks for pointing it out! And in general this video is so good! I appreciate that GT games have to move with the times and what gaming is like in the modern era, but GT7 isn’t it. It’s just feels like a tech flex, as you said. The fanbase really should be more vocal. I’m not a kid anymore, I have a 9-5 job, a long single player campaign wouldn’t scare me off. I’d just play it when a can, a few races a night, watch the progress slowly fill up. Rather than going through some boring menu books that took a few days to complete. GT7 really needs an intervention, or a competitor that can rival it - scare it. Not sure Forza is that competitor but maybe there’s another out there. I’m just glad I was able to grow up with GT3 and GT4 (1 and 2 were before my time). Long live the memories of the old and simple games!
Something tells me the RIDE series and Isle of Man TT series are the real reasons Polyphony Digital isn't pursuing a Tourist Trophy 2 - they have real competition and wouldn't be able to just slap some bikes into the Gran Turismo 7 package and release it.
An excellent breakdown (and not the Daiki Kasho kind) - regarding the fleshed out single player of GT1 through 4, I wonder if part of the reason might've been, as well as the different gaming landscape that prioritised a fulfilling single-player campaign, that Kaz's influence on the overall direction of those games might've been diluted somewhat by the other lead game designers, due to the smaller, more intimate teams who worked on those earlier games. From 5 onwards, it's possible he had more of an overbearing influence on the series' direction, hence we see games that reflect his vision more and more.
I hope FM8 doesn't disappoint. I still play FM7 despite the physics model not being as good as GT and the AI somehow having even less spatial awareness than GT's. It still holds my attention and I find it fun. I gave away my PS4 after realizing GT7 was just a good tech demo. I've been a fan of GT since the first game, but I have no desire to play GT7 even after parting ways with the very console I played it on. I was wrong to assume GT couldn't fail, especially considering I liked Sport and felt it was a great base to build a full fledged GT game on top of. Sad times.
Gotta agree with the roulette,It’s a weird way of implementing something that feels out of place.More like “let’s just add it?”Could if been fine without it and let us win cars in championships and not every single race we complete.For me I remember gt3 was incredibly hard to win championships but the reward was amazing.
I feel like the roulette was a result of all games getting a system like that and devs just going "I guess we're doing loot like this now?" I don't like that system either. In any game. Loot crates and random stuff just sucks. I completely disregard it now, just do online races and don't even care. The engine swaps I get just ruin cars, who needs a Golf MK1 with 900hp?... Absolutely undrivable... Just forget about the tickets I'd say. They don't really matter.
@@vgaportauthority9932 Your opinion does line with the situation of GT7.I saw reviews about the creator not really caring much for GT7.For the mean time it’s just extra cash I use minds cars for the heck of it,do I need the money not really but it makes the game less competitive.Haha very true specially on control.
Unlocking better cars and classic tracks with much more GT cash for arcade custom racing, would put this game leaps ahead of the depressing product it turned out to be. Actually owning the full game (as a customer) would be nice aswell.
Very well done, mate! Finally someone who said exactly what I think about the game since release. GT7 made me go back to play GT5 and 6. I went from active (playing every previous GT game every day) to passive. I'm just waiting for the content of the updates and I'm deciding whether it's worth turning the game on or not. If this was their intention, then good job PD. I don't consider GT7 as a proper game, it's an live-service application for the presentation of virtual cars. It reminds me more of average mobile games, at best. There is nothing more to keep me interesting because what made GT true king was the long and refined career, which is totally missing. I don't count physics because it always played second or third place here and we had always other better simulators for that.
Random thought, as soon as the PP system appeared in GT6, it made balancing a race for difficulty way too easy and resulted in a complete lack of creativity , you don't need to figure out a group of cars that's well balanced and exciting to be in because you can just slap a PP limit on it
Another ace in the hole dude, you never miss, personally i don´t care about Sport mode i grown up with the GTs 1-4 to play wiith friends split screen is good i spend most of time on single player aspect of GT, i play it but i fr don´t like it, as you pointed Kaz is totally out of focus he invested so heavy on the online aspect of it (and we´re getting a movie of that aspect of the game), but SP got shafted to oblivion and PD/ Sony/ Kaz don´t care about the fans of old games, when they pull out the plug, game´s dead (GT6 is playable even 'offline'), 7 and Sport won´t be as you pointed, Sport is the only GT i never played or cared, but giving there has more carrer progression than 7 is stunning, keep up the good work man, and defo someone at PD/ SCE should hire you, maybe you could focus Kaz again on what makes GT a GT game.
Your GT7 videos are cathartic. I haven't turned on my PS4 since week 2 of GT7's release, I just don't want to even think about the game because of how disappointing it was, and these videos are as close to closure as I can get lol.
I know it’s in a rough state, but it’s still one of my favourite games to play. I find myself playing it almost everyday and with the VR it’s a whole another level. It’s just a shame that Kaz doesn’t care to look back, and that he doesn’t seem to listen to feedback
I feel like many of those who bash GT7 and the GT series as a whole have zero experience with other sims... I mean, sure, the systems are somewhat shallow, the campaign was pretty short etc.... But if we're comparing it to any of the really big sims, guess what? None of them have _any campaign what so ever_ .... Only the arcade games do, like whatever Codemasters poops out (aside from their sim, dirt rally, again, zero campaign if I remember correctly..) Not just that, the campaigns are just race series with some dialogue... It's like Mario Kart cups but with pep talks.. Yay? Still far inferior to the Cafe... I'm absolutely in love with this game on PSVR2. Put the headset on and go.. Just works. PCVR on the other hand, pretty much all the simulators have hella dodgy VR support.. Usually it works on the third launch of the game, at which point my Quest 2 is at 75% battery... That means I have about an hour or so of battery left... Game will definitely crash within that timespan though, which means I'll have to launch it 3 times again...... Console gamers have no idea how good they have it. They have NO IDEA just how much content exists in GT7 compared to PC sims... On the PC side we have to download gigs and gigs of game-crashing content to get even close... And all that content is made by amateurs and has wildly varying quality.. Some of the cars just feel completely alien as well.. Physics done by some 17 year old.. Car model stolen from some other game.. Assetto Corsa is literally a horrible menu that launches races. The VR mode is just that same menu launching races, but the menu is nigh useless in VR, has been for closing in on a decade... Beloved simulator(I love it), literally just a menu and tracks and cars.. No progression, no daily races, no unlockable anything, no customization, no paint jobs unless you're keen on cracking open Photoshop and going at it... UNBELIEVABLY primitive compared to GT7.. Still seen as one of the best sims of all time. Don't get me started on iRacing... Literally thousands of bucks for the whole game, and the whole thing is just launched off of a website.... Oh, and a subscription... All that said, I love iRacing. Let's stop pretending Gran Turismo is in some hellish state... All games have flaws, but some people in the GT community really need to get a PC and have a look at the shambling zombie that most racing sims actually are. They need perspective, just waaaaay the hell too spoiled by the GT games.
@@vgaportauthority9932 Well said, I couldn’t have said it any better. GT7 is the closest Polyphony has gotten to a proper sim, with good support for a variety of wheels (including direct drives!). People don’t know how good they have it.
@@vgaportauthority9932 there's a ton of "how dare this man make the game HE wants and not us" in this. Eerily similar to some of the Star Wars fan entitlement when stories don't go how some wish. I get it but it's kinda footstamping/Veruca Salt behaviour imo... 😬
@@Nicholas247066 That's the problem. People who bought GT7 don't expect it to be a realistic simulator that has to focus on realism over everything. They expect it to be a fun video game with tons of single-player content like GT2 and GT4. A sequel in the mainline series. But GT7 is not that and that's why people are upset.
I was done with GT7 after my first month of playing, unplugged my PS4 and have stored it for almost a year now without thinking about going back. I was enormously disappointed on launch and my disappointment has not subsided. The amount of not caring coming from Polyphony is comparable to that of 343's mishandling of the Halo franchise. The series needs a hard refresh and a history lesson from its own record books before its anywhere near close to being on the top of my list of racing games once again. I remember being excited to come back to play GT3 and GT4 as a child, and now before logging onto Assetto Corsa I look at GT7 sitting on my shelf with nothing but disappointment at what could and should have been.
2:46 this makes me realize why game developers don't really care about story or progression anymore (I'm looking at you forza horizon) that's because they cater to the game journalists. They did that so the journo can "experience" the game in under 3 hours
Recently, GT6 got a new mod. This mod added a LOT of new events which were a remake of all the classic GT4 events. The extra content gives you another 500 hours of gameplay easy. And the mod works flawlessly. This is GT7 for me. So much content, it never gets boring. At that point, who cares about the ps2 car models and ps3 graphics? These modders created new events for free in GT6 and you can't tell it wasn't in the game from the start. Polyphony can't add 10 or 20 events per track in this day and age? A mix of grid starts and drag races and drift events?
Its simple. Sport sales were bad. Sport / online is what they want in terms of direction. They want to be a serious esport title. The problem..it doesn't sell. Solution...put a half assed campaign in and market it like your old much higher selling games.
The more i think about Kazunori Yamauchi and Gran Turismo 7, I'm often reminded of other famous japanese game creators and the games they made that had large expectations that stumbled the landing, so much so that only hardcore fans are the ones to defend it. Like I think of the reaction to Death Stranding or Shenmue 3. Both of those games were in a similar spot as GT7, where there is the guy at the top, who probably doesn't dictate every decision but certainly makes choices on the biggest ones. People who defended Death Stranding seemed to do so out of obligation (considering how the game community reacted to the Kojima and Konami situation) whereas people who defended Shenmue 3 did so out of nostalgia (it was 19 years between games, they had been waiting for so long for the next part in Ryo's story). I'm often reminded of something another youtube channel said years ago about Japanese games. That they're a coin flip, you either get a perfect game or you get utter shit. Also about Music Rally, what a pointless addition to the game. It basically exists to show off in a trailer or pre-release with little relevance to it post release. Heck they haven't even added a new song to it since launch. It reminds me alot of other novelty events in Gran Turismo's history. Like the Moon in GT6. It's a fun distraction, but they go to all this trouble of making a moon setting with it's own unique properties and you can't even take a Pagani on it, just for the shits and giggles.
Music rally doesn't even have the same HUD, it's like straight out of GT Sport or something, wouldn't be surprised if the physics are different too since it exists in an entirely different game mode from the main menu on launch
First off, I want to say that I've really enjoyed watching your series on Gran Turismo 7. I love the game, but I think your critical analysis of its flaws are extremely valid and concerning for the future of the franchise. It's no secret to say that the original concept of Gran Turismo was a groundbreaking phenomenon - if that weren't the case, we wouldn't have a laundry list of copycat titles in the early 2000s, when rival game developers recognised how many copies of the early GT games were selling. In fact, it's still the best-selling franchise in PlayStation history (although it's on a technicality, in the fact that some of its former top-selling franchises like Crash Bandicoot, Tekken and Final Fantasy are now available on multiple platforms, and therefore it's harder to track raw numbers on PS titles). It's estimated that GT7 has sold somewhere around 6 million copies, and this will no doubt bump up in the coming months with the launch of the Gran Turismo film. But in general, I believe that these days, progression in racing games has become outdated. So many titles opt to start the player in a slow road-going car and gradually work your way up to faster sports and racing cars. What I think we should be aiming for is more player agency, which you brought up when you discussed the early-game mechanics of GT7. When you highlight the open-ended nature of Gran Turismo 3, unless you're good enough to secure the Gold time on every license test, it's almost an inevitable fact that you'll be starting your fresh save entering the Sunday Cup with a Mazda MX-5 or Toyota Sprinter. It's only after slogging through these early-game events that the player can freely enter a wider collection of races. I would like it if racing games asked the player what and how they want to drive and assemble some events to tailor to that. Was it Project Cars 2 that had something like this, where there was a bunch of events in different categories of motorsport and you could pick exactly how you wanted to start your racing career? It offers more variety at the start of a game save, which hasn't been seen in a GT game before. As for the future, I'm cautiously optimistic instead of cautiously pessimistic. Polyphony's desire to always look forward is okay if the company has its finger on the pulse. For example, opting for procedurally-generated events could be a solution in ensuring every vehicle in the game has a purpose. If a player loves driving a particular vehicle, but has run out of events to race them in, it could craft new ones likened to the player's desires. Maybe they want more races with mandatory pit stops and tyre changes. Maybe it's wanting to have something to do with those expensive vintage cars and giving them a purpose. If Gran Turismo truly wants to be this microcosm of motoring, then the next game really needs to head down this path of giving the player ultimate freedom. I've been thinking about software like ChatGPT and how it could be implemented into a game like Gran Turismo. Something along the lines of designing a race where I want to drive a Honda NSX, on this particular track, and I want the race to last about 45 minutes with one mandatory pit stop. The game could then spit out a fair but challenging race based on BOP that meets all the criteria I have specified. Every race could be different and totally unique. I'm no game designer, so I have no idea how easy this would be to include, but it's a nice thing to think about.
The thing about GT7 basically being devoid of any Gran Turismo content is that it's the same problem that has been plaguing most gaming genres over the last decade or so, and the root of it all is very simple: Online Multiplayer. Game development companies see mutiplayer as a license to make games devoid of any actual gaming content - they lay down the basics, write some netcode and let the players go at it. It's not hard to figure out how this is much less expensive than investing months and years of design and development to create a fully crafted "gaming experience". From sports games such as Fifa to racing games like GT, Forza and the F1 series, from shooters to strategy games, we see this approach more and more - all but exacerbated by the massive success of stuff like Fortnite, which brings further fuel to the fire by factoring in the players (especially younger ones) vanity as a source for additional income in the form of paid content. One doesn't need to look much further than the apocalyptic fate of the Forza Motorsport series, which has been essentially killed off in favour of the brainless, bombastic, childish Horizon spin-offs - that focus more on selling avatar clothes as DLCs than on the driving aspect. This brings in relatively easy money for the producers, and they're happy with it - they ARE leaving a huge chunk of the playerbase behind, especially considering the fact that, nowadays, the online multiplayer of any games bar the simplest ones requires a significant investment of time and dedication to even have half a chance of being competitive and enjoy the game; Being fragged every 1.3 seconds or lagging a lap behind the closest competitor aren't exactly situations that make you want to play the game more. But clearly, in today's market, that "pay once play forever" playerbase is not worth the money invested.
hey about youre racing game journalism . for ign they have Luke Reilly and he seems to do a pretty good job at reviewing racing games but you still have a good point and the Gran turismo 7 video's youve made are amazing, finally someone who doesnt see the game a masterpiece but rather as a flawed game with shit game design. Keep up the video's
Love your videos! Kaz is wealthy now and wants to go play with race cars and rub shoulders with the big players at the car brands. The huge delays with GT5 etc while he was out playing race car driver show this. GT died at GT4. Everything since has been a half effort with old car models, delays and missing features. Sony keeps writing Kaz checks to make this crap and it has only gotten worse. Why would he care anymore? He is living the car enthusiast dream, and is no doubt way more successful than he ever dreamed of being. The sleep in your office labor of love is gone. At least we have the classics and our memories.
Well you have to still make things or you can and will go bankrupt. But they might focus on making money through everything else other than video games. I guess this is the future. The false prophets will go make franchises out of video games and disappear entirely from the video game market. And then you’ll have the game designers that care about gaming and not some bullshit vision of the future…
I've been playing GT since 1997. GT is the reason why I bother buying a PS. After GT7 I learned my lesson. I will not preorder the game or buy a special editions. I will wait a few months do decide if I'll even buy the game. I do play sports because I have no choice, but I couldn't care for it and even Sport mode is getting repetitive. It is sad honestly Kaz and PD drank their own Cooley. They think that we will just love what ever they put out. Kaz see cars as art and it shows. Artist don't ask the public what to make. They duck tape a banana to the wall and expect people to love it. That's where we are now with GT7.
Boom! 💥Nailed it! I took a UX design course recently, and a very prominent recurring theme is, ‘You are not your user’. Essentially, this means that when you design something based on assumptions or personal preferences, you are destined to alienate the end users. If however, you continually test your product with the end user from the beginning, iterating based on their valued feedback, then the end product will most likely succeed where the former convention failed. I wonder which method Kazunori San is using?… These videos are great. I really hope PD, Sony and other racing game designers are taking time to watch and absorb all this! 👍
40:48 What Polyphony could’ve done was create duplicate saves, one for online and one for offline. How it would work is that any progress made on the online save would carry over to your offline save, but the same cannot be done the other way around. With that said, there would be no modded saves present in online lobbies and your progress will be kept when the servers shut down or when you’re offline with all features (except for those that require internet) still accessible. It’s not perfect, as offline progress not carrying over can be an inconvenience, but it sure is a whole lot better then nearly the whole game (that you paid money for) being unplayable for not having an online connection.
Don´t forget most of the creators making GT content every week and praising every update are either in Gran Turismo´s payroll and indirectly have received tons of benefits and gifts from them (free trip to events, exclusive early access, etc) therefore turning into paid game reviewers like IGN or the "professional reviewers" listed in Metacritic even if they don´t realize they are being coerced to speak positively about the product. Also most of them just focus on sim and online racing, therefore never cared for the single player experience.
Bro, the pre-order regret at the start of the video really struck a cord with me. I got really excited for Need for Speed Payback releasing back in 2017 and pre-ordered that when I could. Did end up feeling quite disappointed by it even though I even ended up playing it for a decent amount of time
Thanks for the warning. I played GT1 obsessively, to the point I started running home from school to get more time playing it. Had to keep buying extra memory cards because I couldn't limit myself to 100 cars. Bought analog controllers just because of this game too. GT2 was basically the same, but I got through it much quicker as I didn't have to learn to drive like I did when I was 12yrs old playing gt1. GT3 tricked me into buying a PS2 on launch, only to have to wait for what felt like forever before the game was launched. All was forgiven when I finally got to play it though. I even bought GT Concept Geneva and used it to brush up on my Nissan history before a job interview! GT4 I didn't like so much at the time, it felt sterile and cold compared to GT3. GT5 once again tricked me into buying the newest playstation, this time I thought I'd been clever by waiting a couple of years only for GT5 to be delayed for the 100th time. I liked the feel of the cars and the racing but it was getting quite pretentious with all the useless concept cars and even more terrible city circuits. GT6 I played for about 1hr at a friends house before realising its just a giant tutorial. Haven't played Sport or GT7, but until recently I would regulalry mull over the idea of buying a PS5 just for GT7. That was on the impression I had from the trailer that it was a return to proper Gran Turismo though. So glad I held off and have found videos like this! I still work for Nissan developing cars, which I don't think I would have ever considered doing if GT1-3 hadn't shown me there was more to them than Micras. Breaks my heart a bit to see where its ended up, especially the seeming embarrassment Kaz has for the early games. Thankfully emulators exist. Playing GT1-3 in 4K is amazing!
I totally want to see you develop a campaign mode for GT7, using cars and tracks present in the game right now. From beginner to endurance and rally leagues. That would be awesome to see
I broke down all the solo mode races.... and it's almost like Kaz is a ... spiteful to solo players. After being a player of basically every racing game, and GT enthusiast since the beginning, I will no longer be buying any of the GT titles until Kaz and PD prove they even want real customers....
I watched though the entire GT7 series of videos you've made, and enjoyed them all. I have never played GT7. The last time I played a GT game was in 2020, and it was GT sport, when I borrowed it from my cousin. At that time, the single player update was already out. I thought the single player was great, a lot of content that kept me playing for months, without a ps plus subscription. I did notice AI being too easy on certain maps, like Nurburgring (my favourite) where they would literally move out of your way. Also didn't like how the car buying worked and how few cara there were altogether. And I missed more original tracks, and city circuits. Perhaps thats beacuse the only other GT game that I've played prior was the one on the PSP.
I wrote an essay about Kaz when I was in elementary school. I had just played GT on my friends PS1, I later got the PSX and a copy. I have been addicted ever since....shame where the series has ended up.
That ending gave me chills, it's been a really long time since a video does that, no a fear chill but a disapointed chill because it's what you said, they had EVERYTHING TO DO IT RIGHT and yet they failed MASIVELY, it's like they wanted to kill Gran Turismo.......... Whitch to be honest now I'm not so sure if that's a bad idea seeing what this Game became to be, It only needs tiny details to be a great GT Tittle, they dont need to change the driving, remake Sport mode or build the Game from Scratch, they have the content to make on of the best racing games EVER, but as you say, "they don't want to" and as you also said, "that is the real tragedy". Thank you for making these, and believe in karma because if GT8 EVER gets realeased.......... Thrust me that is gonna go wrong
Agreed on the “gaming journalist” points. All the big ones I’ve seen like IGN, Reviewtech etc all had gameplay of them spinning out in FWD hatches or not knowing how to use the brakes lol. If they can’t even drive decent in a racing game, you know they know nothing about what makes a good racing game.
Excellent analysis, its true that the game makers of GT7 are not listening to the community because it is simply not enough of an incentive for them. I guess in the future we will all have to stop buying and stop playing these games for anything to change, but good luck with that I guess.. complacency rules the world
Having dropped the series after putting tons of hours into GT5 I suddenly see a resurgence in RUclips videos about the old Gran Turismo games, probably because how hated GT7 has been. Seeing all the wacky challenge runs being made with only used cars or no upgrades makes me wanna at least try GT6, which I skipped back in the day because I got the PS4 shortly after release and just shifted focus. Also, can we get rid of the image of the "savior all powerful creator"? Much like George Lucas proved with the prequels, the magic needed to create some truly unique works with long lasting legacies does not come from one single person. Time and time again when you give unlimited power of decision to these people they seem to fall flat. The old Gran Turismo games were great because of an unified vision where everyone probably made compromises, not strickly following the vision of a single creator/programmer.
I love GT. It’s all I’ve played for years. Without fail. Every single week. I’ve gotten to the point that I put GT7 down. I haven’t played in a month. I probably won’t return any time soon and I’m definitely not rushing out to buy 8 at release. I don’t care what kind of goodies they give for preorder or release day versions. Don’t care. I really enjoyed GT Sport’s offline more than GT7 and that’s awful. I hear to try Sport mode races in GT7 or join a league. I’ve done both. No interest in Sport mode and it’s not because I suck. I’ve landed top 3% in the world on my qual at the end of the week and within the top 900 players globally. Sport is alright but not something I enjoy a lot. I’ve had a few good races. The last race I ran I got punted into oblivion and went from 2nd to last. Not fun. Leagues have their own issues. The racing is usually better by a lot but you’re racing on everyone else’s schedule, running a car you might not like on tracks you might not like and all the while spending all your time on practicing for the next race under those conditions sometimes. I like offline. I like engaging career modes. That’s just me. The game has left me wanting. It needs better design, more tracks, more events and Sophy or at least a hugely improved AI. Most games have a super difficult setting for top players to enjoy but GT7’s AI kind of sets the bar at like a C level at the hardest. I understand making the game accessible but they need gameplay that caters to faster people. That’s not a big demand. Nearly every game does it. Veteran mode in COD, Ultra Nightmare in Doom, etc.
This is the most in-depth, well-curated and informative set of Gran Turismo videos I've ever seen! thank you for creating this series and I'm looking forward to more videos soon :)
What i always loved GT for was the fact that you could, indeed, drive similar cars in game to those you see irl, specially in 4 5 and 6, and there were so many of them. Now the game feels detached from normal people's reality. The old cars are gone, and there is only either a very few selection of modern sportscars or plain up racecars and supercars, or concept cars, if gran turismo is the "real driving simulator" they should go back to their roots and include a bunch of random generic shitboxes that can give us an connection to the game, bcuz rn its just another forza horizon with better graphics
I bought gt1 back when it was new. And never heard of half the cars. I ended up buying 2 glanza v, a 94 vti, and a 95 wrx. Safe to say I won't own any cars in this game.
1:00 makes a really interesting parallel to most other video games, not just in the racing genre. there ARE a lot of games like what is described here where there is very little sustenance and it seems like they're going through a checklist of expectations. just ask any long-time Elder Scrolls fan about that. a developer's expectations may be radically different to the player's. this is just a thing that needs to be accepted before we move on with discussions about how much we miss the good old days, etc. etc. etc. but when games fail to deliver even the bare minimum is when things get awkward. Gran Turismo 7 gave us the expectations of nostalgia and how it's going to be a "full installment" in the series. the reality is that it's basically an updated GT Sport with some breadcrumbs of single-player content that is mercilessly strapped to perhaps the strangest battle pass system ever conceived. GT7 is simply another victim of the racing genre eating itself ouroboros style over trying to capitalize on the games-as-a-service platform, probably a demand from Sony because 1.) their competitors are doing it with success (citation needed) and 2.) GT Sport was already halfway through that door anyway. and i think it's here where Polyphony genuinely doesn't know what the fuck to do, which is a very interesting case because if they DID have enough competence to manage a GaaS title, i feel like cafe menus would've been the least of our concerns. to me personally, the roulette tickets seem like a window into the worst possible timeline. their mere existence rubs me the wrong way. mismanagement with GaaS titles has been plaguing the entire industry for a while now. but racing games have definitely been harmed the most during the age of season passes, premium in-game currencies, and FOMO marketing. i guess there's only so much you can milk out of going in circles competitively without it coming off as an insult to your players. with regards to Gran Turismo 7: more power to you if enjoy the game (imo Sport Mode is still pretty good compared to any other online racer outside of actual simulators) but there is definitely something wrong at a fundamental level. really, it applies to most current day racing games.
I think Gran Turismo has always reflected how Kaz views Car Culture. GT 2 and Initial D give me the same feeling, the same vibe around the cars, around how they drive and how they work. GT 3 and 4 as best I can tell from very limited experiences feel like more evolved versions of that. Bigger, better, like a tour through the culture of Professional Racing with love for the Cars that drive those races. 5 felt like a change, like it was trying to grow up. 6, Sport, and 7 give me about the same professional feeling. The cars glide through the air as they ride through the track and moments on the track can feel really beautiful. I think Kaz's direction tries to bring out a joy from the drive, where nothing but the road and the cars on it really matters. But GT 7 feels especially corporate. Limited, like a list of all the "Best Bits" according to a reductive and elitist view on Car Culture. The actual corporate end of this isn't helping either, feels like the development was based on compromise, like "As long as it doesn't hurt my Art, you can do anything you want". The Driving Experience is wonderful, everything else seems motivated by greed and narcissism. A Fan Game would do Car Culture far better justice nowadays. I can't get myself lost in the Zeitgeist of GT7 like I very VERY easily do with those few times I touch one of the earlier games, even though GT 7 presents its Zeitgeist so openly.
This is my opinion but i'm curious to hear yours but i feel like GT7 is more of a stepping stone for the franchise, in my opinion what happened was that people weren't happy whit GTS and PD needed something to bring people back to the franchise so they made GT7 announcing how it was more like the classic games so that people come back seeing a few of classic tracks and cars and think that its enought, IMO i would prefer they bring back less popular tracks so that if they change the scenery like what they did with grand valley speedway it will still have the classic feel and at the same time feel like a totally new track. I would like to know your opinion on it, i still think that GT7 is an amazing game but it feels like its just a way for PD to not loose players.
Your videos are gold! I play GT7 almost every day and it takes 95% of my playing time overall, I enjoy it because I love to take stock cars and tune them to become racing 'monsters' however at the same time I agree with every single thing you say. It is such a beautiful and great game in some aspects and then awful in others...it's so weird I'm amazed and very disappointed with the game at the same time. And beside AI most of the issues can be fixed like in a week of coding, just add more events ffs people would be so much happier. Roflwaffle keep up good work!
This video simply needs to be trending here on RUclips as well as other social media. I literally agree with everything mentioned here. Only thing that will frustrate me even further going forward, will be if GT8 will only be a 2 year turnaround. But I HIGHLY doubt that
@28:00 This is my sentiment on alot of racing games made today. The entire genre is behind especially the more realistic sim racing games. They are big sandboxes of cars and tracks that developers release you into but with nothing to do with the cars. And often cars are not carefully thought of when they are grouped into classes so you can have entire classes dominated by 1 single car. Almost every GR2 race in GT7 is a spec series of nissan GTR GT500 that it begs the question what is the point of the other cars in the class? Hopefully more of the racing community realises how far behind racing games are to the rest of the gaming community in terms of features and starts demanding more from them and we can get some innovation and much needed basic features that have been present in some racing games in the past and in the wider gaming industry
In all honesty, if there was a new Assetto Corsa, I’d jump ship. I love what gplaps has shown us. But I installed it, and it’s too old now. Wheels not being supported, workarounds… Not ACC, mind you, I want the vintage content. Spoked wheels on tracks that don’t exist anymore, that kind of thing. A Voisin against a T35 Bugatti on Brooklands, being harassed by a Sunbeam. An endurance would be the Gordon Bennett race. But with updated physics and software. Or Peking-Paris, every stage a journey. That’s the way to get a storyline into a racing game. Oh god, I’m going to watch The Mummy again, aren’t I?
I came into sport and 7 late. And I hate them ... I fucking hate them. GT4 was the pinnacle for me, GT5 definitely tried harder but didn't quite have the magic of GT4. GT6? I don't know why but I genuinely LOVED that game despite a lot of laziness graphically with certain cars/tracks, yet I still broke a world record on Tsukuba online before they took away the servers 😭 GT sport was just arcade mode unless you actually commit to online gameplay and GT7 seems more or less the same, whether you're willing to play the forza isn't a simulator and GT is for me is irrelevant. I can boot up forza 4 now (and often do) I have so much more fun than I do on modern GT games, also there's still an online community that exists there 🤣 crazy but true! Gran turismo will always be my favourite racing franchise of all time, it was the game that genuinely rocked my tiny 11 year old brain back in 97/98! But its lost its way.
My personal conclusion after watching Kaz interview is that the first 4 entries in Gran Turismo where made by accident and the lack of proper technology, which is a very sad way to think about 4 of my favorite racing games.
You would be in serious depression because most of the games ever created, still nowadays, have to change their original vision because of limitations, for better or worse, it has been like it since the very beggining.
That is because for us, consummers, games are just for fun. But for game creators in any level is a full time work, with constraints, deadlines, executive changes, bad management, etc
I think you are on to something. It was maybe more of a side effect rathee than the desired result. Now they want to make a movie? What the hell? It is a game franchise and now they want you to pay to see a bunch of fart huffing nonsense about how f**king awesome they are. Kaz really might as well be the Jim Jones of video games at this point.
It was an honor to have my comment featured! I really enjoy these videos. As much as I want to see polyphony succeed and create something special that satisfies Kaz and the main player base, it’s just hard to see that happening with Kaz’s odd approach to game design, but it is inexcusable how many past ideas have been scrapped in the name of realism, If this game is supposed to be realistic, why don’t the ai actually race the player?
GT7 annoys me so damn much. I'm in Australia, so by the time I bought a PS5 and GT7, I'd spent the best part of $1000. I only bought the PS5 because GT7 looked so damn good - I had little to no interest in any other games releasing on the console. The game finally comes out, I finish the "story" and then realise - there's really nothing else to do in this game unless I go play online. Fast forward a few weeks from there, and I put my PS5 up for sale. Even if PD make drastic changes and the game turns out amazing, I'll likely never play it again as it completely burned me.
as someone who picked up GT7 at launch (on PS4) and hasnt really *played* a GT game since GT2 (ive tried out GT3 and 4 but never really got anywhere) i have quite enjoyed it, logging around 60 hours, most of those in the livery editor (and quite a lot of those with the game open in the background but working on decals in photoshop). but i almost exclusivlely use it as a livery creation tool and photography sim, not the racing game that it was advertiesed to be. it is fantastic in the aspects i use it for but whenever i feel i want to actually drive the cars i create, im often left dissapointed. your series is fantastic and helped me realise what GT actually is now, and makes me want to find some of the older games like GT6 that i never got the chance to play and see what could have been. ill continue to enjoy GT7, but i feel like i have been cheated out of what i wanted to play the game for, yet they managed to keep me hooked with features that are disconnected from the game itsself.
I agree with most points you presented, but I disagree so much on the Vision GT part that I felt I was about to explode like Vegeta. Vision GT is one of the best features of the whole series, and it IS for the players! The point of having literal design exercises on a game is for US, THE PLAYERS to put our "hands" in machines that can only exist in our dreams! Since we got the Dodge Copperhead aka Concept Car in the PS1 era, this was a staple of the series. However, on Vision GT, the manufacturers "give" us their perception on what car would players like! Take the dodge tomahawk X for example. THAT SHIT IS RAD AF! What other game could give us something like that? Seriously, I can't just see it as a corporate relations stunt or whatever. But I do agree with most of the other takes... GT7 is indeed lacking.
It's more to do with the usage of the VGT cars more than the cars themselves. They clearly didn't put much thought into how they would fit into the game, although the same applies for many other cars in GT7 but even as far back as GT6 it just felt like they were being shoved in without a second thought. I like a lot of the Vision GT cars, stuff like the BMW, Honda, Suzuki and Ferrari VGTs I think are awesome, but they seem to exist in their own bubble, separate from everything else in the game when they could easily be integrated better. And nothing shows this better than the general reaction when they do add one, usually "er, okay, but why can't we have X car instead?" I'm almost certain that if you took a poll of GT7 players and asked them if they preferred to have the Ferrari VGT or the Ferrari 499P Hypercar, the Hypercar would come out on top. Easily. It's a real shame because I do think VGT is fundamentally a great idea but the execution is just really poor. Again, I will talk about this in more detail in a future video so stay tuned for that.
@@Roflwaffle16 I will stay tuned and now I completely agree with you. But I still think that Vision GT's lack of "racingness" is due to how GT7 is structured. I remember racing the crap outta Vision GTs in GT6, especially on online special events they had every once in a while. GT7 just has a lot of cars that, as you exposed in the video, see absolutely NO racing. They are just there as a showcase and historical remarks. GT7 MUST improve their online events, as EVERY TIME I LOG IN there's a stupid Gr3 event in a circuit where everybody crashes (aka Dragon Trail), some weird race in an SUV or a tiny underpowered car, but there is a substantial lack of "theme racing", as we had in the past, especially in GT2 (even though it had no car type limitations, only power limitations).
25:25 THIS section is in my head at least since GT5, its like they want to drive us mad. They show us something good, then take it away without explanation, or leave a obvious bug, that should be easy to fix, for months in the game.
sadly true, even when i didn't played neither of those, the way people puts those games (specially the 4th one) in a pedestal let's me believe those games put the bar so high, everything, no matter what it has to offer will recieve backlash from the most "loyal" GT fans lacking any better word that isn't "purists"
Funny enough, the closest thing to a traditional Gran Turismo I've played recently has been a Need For Speed game. A community mod for NFS ProStreet caught my attention back in April (which is also when the mod launched, I'm on about the Pepega Mod) and so I went out of my way to find archived copies of the PC version so I could play the vanilla version first before enjoying the additional quality and comedic value of the mod. I was surprised to find that ProStreet isn't your average NFS, and instead a weird departure from the usual franchise structure. Gone is the small but open map and to-the-nines customisation, and in its place a menu-oriented linear campaign more akin to GT. While there's still some franchise familiarity (E.g. generalised tuning parts, a fairly impressive customisation system even without all the bells and whistles of, say, Underground), it's more towards a sim racer than an arcade street racer. The general progression involves taking your collection of cars to "track days" - a selection of events all hosted at one location - and then winning enough of them to 'dominate' the competition by collective score. This then unlocks other track days, and any dominant race scores in individual events will count towards entry into the final championships in the respective fields of racing (Drift, Grip (standard), Speed (high-speed linear tracks) and Drag). Once you win the finale in each field and then unseat the Showdown King, you win the game. If anyone's aching for a traditional GT and has a decent computer, I'd recommend seeking out an archived copy of this game (or even getting a console version if you're not fussed about modding). The 'track day' structure feels like GT7's haphazard array of events given a more purposeful form, and it's a very enjoyable game give or take some annoyances with specific tracks and event structure. It's not a perfect emulation of a GT either - you won't find any car limitations or endurance events, for example - but it's somehow better than GT7 (imo) despite being some 15 years older.
Thank you for the kind words! I had even more ideas for a GT-like implementation for the mod, but due to time constraints we settled on the menu sound effects.
Prostreet is awesome, might be the closest i get to experiencing something like GT, but Prostreet on its own is really cool, it's like a street racing take on the simcade genre and its fantastic
@@TheCapitalWanderer And that's the beauty of it. The Black Box's driving simulation engine is a capable being, if a bit janky. Pro Street is a perfect example of it being used for a more driving sim purpose than street racing.
Change itself isn't a bad thing. We dont need GT7 to be GT sport wearing a GT4 trenchcoat. However, the changed they do make still do need to be fun. GT7 simply isn't. They failed in the task of revolutionizing the game formula. They seem to have focused on fixing the wrong problems.
I just realised I haven't played GT7 since March. Jesus. I've been playing Forza Motorsport 4 and GT6 again. GT7 completely slipped my mind. No one is gonna talk about GT7 10 years from now. I mean who really remembers GT Sport now?
Sadly GT Sport was my first GT experience ever however I did recently get to play some of the classics and I get where people are coming from. Still on Sport I made a lot of livery’s, loved the community, and raced a lot. I had my fun with it
@@eric6rock Recently, GT6 got a new mod. This mod added a LOT of new events which were a remake of all the classic GT4 events. The extra content gives you another 500 hours of gameplay easy. And the mod works flawlessly. This is GT7 for me. So much content, it never gets boring. At that point, who cares about the ps2 car models and ps3 graphics?
The origin of all the issues with GT7 is online play. Polyphony thinks online play is a viable replacement for single player content when it is not. Most players are not high level, thousand dollar plus sim rig owners trying to qualify for the Olympics. They play on controller, they play solo, and they just want to boot up the game, drive cool cars in fun events, and feel like they are progressing.
I only got GT7 because i'd not played a car game in years, and it was a nostalgic choice since GT2 was one of my first games. But since Rally is basically my favourite motor sport, the game is just boring to me, the livery editor is great, but the offroad is terrible. I have Dirt 4 & Rally 2.0, so I naturally would rather them. GT7 feels less a racing game, and more a part art gallery, part advertisement to car brands. I understand this game just may well not be for me, but i'd be happier if it was, what i thought it could of been, a sort of playground for cars.
Great Series. I think the biggest thing for me as to why I find the state of Gran Turismo 7 so disappointing was that it straight up used Sport, a 6 year old game, as its base. If it was its completely own thing and the content was as skim as it is but it was a different enough experience from older GTs in a different engine built to take advantage of the PS5 I would've found that more understandable. Or on the flipside, if they used the advantage of using GT Sport as a base to completely pack the game with content without having to worry about building an engine from scratch, that would've been great! A true GT 4 successor in that case, but they did neither. They released a game based on GT Sport with barely any content and multiple elements ripped from that game like the HUD, cars, tracks and the multiplayer and added a completely laughable GT Mode, roulette systems and a terrible economy on top. I really hope they learn from this for Gran Turismo 8, though I have a strong feeling they won't for some reason (not as long as Kaz is directing at least). Maybe Sophy AI might actually be implemented into that game though which would at least make racing the AI fun.
The most important thing in GT7 and later games is the AI being made better. I recently watched footage of Gran Turismo 4. It actually feels like the AI is less competitive in GT7 than GT4.
I wish you had also covered the difficulty issue, I cranked the difficulty for the campaign just to see if it'd be a challenge and it wasn't, still just rolling roadblocks but now they press the accelerator a wee bit harder
you lay your thoughts out very well, way better than i ever will. The series just hits almost everything that bothers me in gt7, I hope fm8 will give PD the wakeup call they need to notice something is at least wrong but i defo won't hold my breath for it. I am excited to see what you'll make in the future.
I've commented my opinion on GT7 on past videos so I'll spare everyone the repetition and just go straight to thanking Roflwaffle for his epic series. ❤️
Damn, this was one great big ramble but you can tell it's a passion project. If PD and Sony don't really care to make a game fun, it's their fault. I'll stick to what's been proven: older games. I'm still playing GT Sport single player because there are just so many races to complete, but just today, an hour before this video went live I came home with a bag full of videogames: Driveclub, Forza 4, Tourist Trophy and GT 2000 Concept (Tokyo Geneva), all used. If sony wanted my GT7 money maybe they should have made it worth my time.
GT Sport > GT 7 I’ve said it already, and I’ll say it again. Really I just hope this isn’t the end of your uploads. Glad you decided to come back to this channel and I look forward to what you make.
I'm half way in and I absolutely LOVE Your content, please keep doing it. I will say though you do sometimes take a militant stance or a real negative lense on somethings. Having classic Porsches, E30 M3 come to the game is recognising their iconic status over a drifters favourite car. I won't defend this game as it has many flaws but some of the angles you question it from do have a very much yin and Yang thing going on. I'll watch the rest and update this comment but again love your work and keep doing it! I stopped watching at "boot lickers" it's a projection of your negativity on people that do enjoy GT and don't care for these flaws. A critique is not framing positives to make a negative argument it's there to extract the good and areas for improvement. The game is not the game we were promised or expected and I've been playing it for 25 years. Is it poor on the career side yes. Is it a bad game? I dunno they make the game and we choose to play it or not. Could it be better? Sure but to call people boot lickers because they like it, is quite honestly insulting and trivialises some of the important issues you are trying to raise. As I said keep making content and I support that. Spoiler all those pictures you drew as a kid that went on the fridge...your parents don't have them stored in a keep sake box ;) Edit 2: Be careful with that false sense of hubris, Homer Simpson designed a car once....it is ok to be dissatisfied and point out the flaws it's a leap of epic proportions to claim you can do better. I don't think making races you like with AI you like is gonna make the game better for everyone. But you will enjoy it.
The 'bootlickers' comment was more directed towards those people who will blindly defend GT7 at every opportunity, not those who harmlessly enjoy the game. Every fanbase has those types of people, be it Gran Turismo, Nintendo or whatever, who aren't satisfied that they enjoy the game but make it their mission to ensure that everyone else has to enjoy the game as well. You could argue that my videos have the opposite impression but that's never been my intention. I think that if you did watch all the way through you would begin to understand my point of view better. It's not simply that GT7 is not the game that I or many other long-term fans want, but more that PD seems incapable of accepting what GT7 actually is. Do you remember with GT Sport how there were so many people saying that it was a complete betrayal and they would never play another GT game again? None of them were me. GT Sport is actually the GT game I have the most amount of play time in. By far. I'm not adverse to them doing something different but when you put as much effort as they clearly did trying to appeal to those types of people who were turned off by Sport, and then the game you actually produce takes almost every opportunity to kick those people in the gut, it begins to seem like a cruel joke. As I've said, I don't believe this was intentional, but that's how it comes off. If you're interested the part where I talk about this specifically starts at 38:50.
Now that you mention this, and it's not really a complete game but a sort of overhaul, there this mod for Gran Turismo 4 in development called "B-Spec II", that reworks the handling, automatic transmission, adds region exclusive cars (Mini Cooper 98, the Hyundai cars and all the cars with ESSO sponsors), special events for cars that cannot normally participate (i.e.: Ford T Model and Jay Leno's Tank Car) and an "Event Synthethizer" like in GT PSP.
Well, you can’t say I’m not thorough… Crazy that I’ve made 3+ hours of content for this series and didn’t even mention that Kaz legit forgot they already had a music replay feature in GT3 lol (This is what I mean when I say it’s important to have an eye on the past as well...)
Anyway, I just set-up a Patreon so if you like what you see here, or in any of my other videos, and want to support me further, here you go!: patreon.com/Roflwaffle
It’s fairly basic right now but I do plan on expanding the perks and adding another tier. If you’ve got any suggestions do let me know!
GT4 had a replay camera mode that would match the camera movements with the music. In some places even make it look like a drug induced fever dream. It was amazing. I was surprised when I discovered when GT5 didn't have it. Now I understand why. What's wrong with retaining the good shit from your own previous works Kaz?! Forza Motorsport 4 has a rotating camera in the Xbox 360. It came out 13 fucking years ago.
@roflwaffle16
Thanks once more for a fascinating insight from your view of the game, can't disagree with anything you've said.
One screen comment reminds me of something I said once, I enjoyed watching Spiderman: Far From Home, but I thought Spiderman: Far From Home was a terrible film.
...A valid point, if people understand the thinking behind my scribblings...
Oh, you have an addition request pending, sir!
I would love to see someone like you do a video comparing GT7 to FM7. Even if just preliminary going through the campaign and spending a good chunk of hours with it just to compare. I've been out of the world of GT since 5. And have been watching your series on GT7, It feels like the same exact people made both the 7s in each franchise. I was wanting GT7 to come to PC at some point. But from what it sounds like, It has almost nothing to offer from a singleplayer standpoint. Which is just sad. I even now believe FM7 is the better game if you dont play multiplayer. Despite its abysmal flaws and progressive lacking and scaling back of features over the franchises life.
@@117johnpar May the god himself save GT from ever coming to PC.
@@kingtiger3390 because?
The WORST part really is how easily they could fix it.
It would literally take an intern an afternoon to add more races, the fact that they don't just feels deliberately spiteful
@KTH96 it's not just about how easy it would be to fix. Sure they can add races, but now that means nothing. You already have everything in the game to beat the races like nothing, so even if they do add races, it would be worthless. They have to make a new game in order to fix this.
They cant fix this game, the damage is too foundational. They can only plan for gt8.
Tbh, I think your biggest and real complaint is that Forza and Microsoft are not around kicking Sony and GTs ass. Yes we all love GT in some way shape or form, but without real competition everything stagnates. No one pushes boundaries, no one is making game changing moves. So there is no competition for GT in its catagory, Horizon 5 is literally in the exact same position also, the stagnation friggen sucks.
I'm just sitting here, wondering what happened to carbon hoods. Like the car customization was expanded upon.. but carbon hoods vanished. What sense does that make?
excellent points. i really wish polyphony digital could see your videos.
Incredibly stubborn developer who refuses to polish the rough edges and do things that would vastly improve the game. The fact cars get increased in price to reflect "real world values" inside of a game really speaks volumes. Everything is done in a vacuum where they think they are right and the game is perfect and they refuse to even engage with the community. GT7 will be the last GT that I pre-order, and perhaps buy, and I've been buying/playing since GT1, typically buying the latest console generation only because of GT. I was very disappointed with the release, and subsequent patching was slow and targeted at things that had no benefit to players/customers.
They're literally adding new content such as cars, circuits, menus, events, missing functionality brought back, HOW THE FUCK ISN'T THAT FOR THE PLAYERS?
I've played GT1-4, then Sport and now GT7. (I didn't have a PS3). I fully agree with your takes. Single player campaign is meh, Cars have no sportman-like AI, just rolling roadblocks. And the roulette system is totally crap and insulting to the player. Still. I play it in PSVR2 with a G29 steering wheel which is an amazing experience. The only downside is the points you bring up. In Single player there are no races. Only stupid challenges. It feels like it's kinda like a race, but it's a stupid In Media Res kinda thing. Another thing about GT7 in general, is I don't really care about most of the cars. Now Formula One is awesome to me. The EA F1 20XX games are great. Beautiful car models, great tracks, and REAL RACING! Practice, qualifying, actual races and tracks, a full season racing against real world drivers not an AI car with a guys face stuck on it that has none of their skill or personality, just a rolling roadblock to overcome. If F1 23 goes to VR, which I hear is a rumor, I'm likely to jump ship and only play that instead.
Addition to my previous comment:
I do have something to thank GT7 for. Thanks for providing new smooth 3D models for Assetto Corsa mods.
Legendary comment.
For other Unity based mobile games as well. 😂
As a AC fanboy I love this comment 😂
Like seriously half of the good quality mods are just using car models from Gran Turismo 7,6 or 5 iirc
B U R N.
Kek
Gran Turismo 7 is like a sports video game where they focus on the uniforms but couldn't care less whether the game has the same rules as the real sport. Imagine a soccer video game where the players didn't move, but the harder the difficulty, they just got taller and bigger making it more difficult to dribble around them. That's GT7 in a nutshell.
Gt7 is like F1 at Miami. Show, glitter, glamour and the national anthem, which has no place at all in F1, every aspect just a bit more embarrassing than the last. Fake water, icecream at $250 a cone…
That’s pretty funny 😂
I'm sorry you can't get past a D driver rating.
lol what?
@@Tacko14 F1 has always been entertainment, tf you on?
Great series dude, been a GT player since GT2 and I'm playing GT7 on PS4 myself. My main experience is the game doesn't really compel me to do a "proper session" on it like even Sport did. I'll quite often just fire the game up, do a circuit experience or a race long enough to get the driving marathon and call it a day. My main issue with it is there's no events that really grab me to do again and again for the fun of it like in previous games, except maybe the Missions, but they're annoyingly a "one and done" type deal...
100% that's exactly what happens to me
hey dude, im planning to buy a ps5 and want a nice car game like gt series or others. I've never had any gt games or any game console. would you suggest me gt7, if not, what would you suggest?
@@bartuvanquish Buy a cheaper XBOX and get Game Pass. Good luck.
Play multiplayer. Single player racing is dead, has been since online racing became a thing. All the other sims out there have appalling AI and no campaign to speak of, it's just no longer a focus for devs, because we live in a multiplayer world. Just like CoD and Battlefield having single player components that last an evening, most racing games do the same.
Get online, if you're afraid of messing up, don't be. No one cares if you suck. At least that's what I tell myself as I get punted out of the first turn for braking too early.
@@vgaportauthority9932 no, you're wrong.
many people still play singleplayer racing games today, heck id even say NFS Unbound is a good modern example of it, its decent and people enjoy it, it doesnt shit on its predecessors like GT7 or FH5.
plus there are also hidden gems of racing games
Thank you so much for this series, you are essentially voicing 95% of the whole GT community. I honestly felt GTSport was a betrayal to the series, but, in all its honesty, it had a clearer vision and even the trailers gave the implicit message that it wouldn't the classic GT we were accustomed to. Nowadays, I appreciate it a lot more. Instead, GT7, a numbered entry of the series, is really the epitome of a vision that the community doesn't want to begin with.
Also, Infinite Azure from Tekken 7 as the ending background music, epic.
16:23 is one of the most spot on point that you made. It's ironic because Kaz's mindset towards "looking towards the future" falls flat on its face because the game itself doesn't even feature more than 20 cars from the past 4 years.
Adding cars that no one asked for and continuing to make the game a literal piece of eye candy.
Exactly. When your only goal is realism, you're probably going to mess everything else and don't care to fix it. For example, i have never played GT7, but it seems that things like photo mode (wich is always love, because i love photography and usually GT games simulate this pretty well), get a lot more attention that they should (especially considering that most people won't even use it that much)
The major rub I have with updates: PD has proven that they can quickly fix problems that affect the game when they want to. They updated EVERY "glitched" car that would allow fast money from Tokyo. PD also fixed a major issue people were having in the online lobby event. PD's refusal to allow a decent payout for create a race, and zero fun grid starts, and no actual rolling career mode. PD is, as you said, just giving us the middle finger when they could easily give us a great, COMPLETE game! If PD suddenly adds a career mode after Forza Motorsport 8 releases with one, it will be OBVIOUS that PD only cares if they will lose market share. SMFH
like... any corp would do? you're so innocent
Even Valve with steam did the same, do the minimun until competence show to maximize profit.
@@andruzznaist.n.g5135 not ALL companies are out for MAXIMUM profit with minimum effort. Some companies actually try to deliver quality for their customers.
@@racelegend799 People still cry their eyes out regardless of how good devs do their jobs. I remember Wrath of the Lich King in WoW.. The whining was _unbelievable_ even though it was the last expansion where Blizzard TRULY cared a LOT about making an amazing game. They made an amazing expansion and the community just cried and cried and cried. This is what happens in games that replace people's lives..
From the perspective of someone who doesn't spend most of his time on forums waiting for people to whine, the loud whining just seemed like lunatics losing their minds over minutia. "THIS DESTROYS THE GAME REEEEEE!!!!" all day long..
Looking back, Wrath is the favorite expansion for SO MANY PEOPLE... But the whining was deafening at the time.
Getting the exact same vibe from GT fans.. In 10 years, someone is going to be whining like crazy about GT9 while talking about how amazing GT7 was. Endless series of crybabies.
@FILEST Look at Steam Deck, Steam Play/Proton compatibility layers and the recent beta branch for Steam clients as of late. If you take one glance at those and say Valve is only maximizing their profits then you’re just as naïve as racelegend.
@VGA Port Authority and you’re also complaining about people complaining about the game. I don’t even know how you can draw parallel between GT7 and WotLK after watching this video.
@@racelegend799 doing less for more doesn't equal to low quality, is the whole basis of interactive/audiovisual production as a whole, you'll always look for the compromise between quality and cost and if you can save some extra money, do it.
‘Oh, I can’t wait for Polyphony to include the autonomous Tesla!’ said no one ever.
For me, and I’m biased, it’s all about the old, venerated cars. That’s why I play racing games at all: to drive the cars I dream of driving but never will irl. They’re on display in musea. Or at least they’re collector’s pieces.
I’m very much not interested in the latest and newest EV SUV.
I agree, the EVs in the game are so boring to drive, they shouldn't have been in the game at all IMO
Formula E cars might be interesting from the quirks they have, but road car EVs just aren't really designed to be interesting in mind.
B-spec mode with just autonomous Teslas driving around the track.
I don't understand why they can't add more events or make decent grid starts. The Goodwood races in real life that are held every year with classic cars are amazing because despite your position, every one is racing neck and neck and trading paint with each other. Meanwhile my excitement for the introduction of Goodwood circuit in GT7 quickly waned when the 3 or 4 events in it (Jesus fucking Christ) all have rolling starts. It's like racing in the streets among people who don't even know they're in a race. They're just driving to work. Might as well be a No Hesi server from Assetto Corsa.
"It's like racing in the street among people who don't even know they're in a race. They're just driving to work. " BRILLIANT.
It's baffling that a racing game can get this fundamental concept so wrong.
@@adambanas6365 even ASETTO CORSA can do better than GT7.
I'm in disbelief this is a real thing. Hell, you have to unlock Le Mans apparently, even in Forza Motorsport with the wayward AI it often has, you can have spectacular fights with other cars.
@@purwantiallan5089Oh absolutely. The mods is what makes the game. But imagine if the ai traffic in no hesi were the actual opponents. That's GT7 ai for me.
"If you forget your roots, you've lost sight of everything." - Walter Payton
If they just remastered GT4 with next gen graphics, driving physics, current/old cars and a simple online mode.. oh man, us old GT fans would break the internet
Don't forget the other improvements they would've done
41:25 IF Kazunori truly is the type of guy ''lets make each game almost from ground up again'', we will never see the Gran Turismo we expect. (some mix of GT2 to GT4)
A mix of GT2 and GT4 with graphics and details of GT7 would be a massive work!! I think that the mahor problem about nowadays games is too much focus on online rather than make a decent offline story mode. They deliver an incomplete game, and some easy adjustement that would be made, they complete ignore. I haven't played GT7 yet, but seeing some gameplays made me feel tired and unmotivated of this game.
It feels like for every 2 Gran Turismo games, PD makes the next game from scratch.
If you want to see how out of touch Poly and Kaz really are, you need to look no further than some of the Playstation trophies for GT7. I looked a day or two ago and literally laughed out loud when I saw it. Some of the least achieved trophies in the game are just insanely simple things you can do in the photo mode of the game. They clearly thought that feature was going to be so popular and not only made trophies for it, but made them bronze trophies as if everyone was going to get it on day 1. A year later some of these trophies are sub-five-percent of all players have ever got these trophies. What made me literally laugh out loud is getting gold on all licenses is a gold trophy that MORE people got than some of these photo mode trophies.
I myself got gold on all licenses and don't have any of these photo mode trophies lol. Imagine buying a game to play it. Weird.
Also, I don't know if its worse that they thought more people would like scapes over racing (which is f***in insane), or the fact that there even is an S license with literally no races that even apply to the license, or even so few races that are even the style of racing for the license (i.e. Formula, GR1, etc).
Haha!
Exactly the same, golded all licenses within the first couple of weeks, didn't bother with the photo trophies. The incredible thing is that a bunch of these trophies are copied over identically from GT Sport. They couldn't even be bothered to create new ones to replace them. Insane.
I am/was actually trying to get all the licenses and missions and then started trying circuit experiences. I tried scapes once and never again (net have been regular photo mode actually). I’m there tu race and make liveries/love the racing team dream (therefore livery matches the race suit save the liveries are consistent across vehicles complete with a race number). The racing (against the AI) is awful though and if you don’t like the daily races you’re out of luck
Creating a race literally consists of picking a track, setting a few parameters and designing a simple cover artwork - something an intern could do in an hour.
They could have an intern work for two weeks and give us hundreds of races. Seriously.
They would need to overhaul the AI though. Since current AI is so bad it makes racing unfun.
As I said before, GT7 is basically the embodiment of today's 'car culture'. Simply chasing clouts and willy waving of who can spend the most amount of money on the car they would never drive only for them to make even more money.
Made me want to vomit, and made me hate 'car culture' in general today. And this comes from someone who lives from car stuffs, and absolutely went head-over-heels at a mere sight of 991 Speedster.
A speedster? WHERE? btw your comment is incredibly based.
There are a lot of aspects of car culture even in this day and age. The ones you described are just the loudest. That's all. The loudest with the most Instagram views. The majority don't live and breathe Instagram. They just live and breathe cars and do their thing.
You could replace “Gran Turismo” with “DCS World” “Asobo’s Microsoft Flight Simulator”, “Star Citizen”, “World Of Warcraft” or hundreds of other game franchises. The game industry as a whole has found and exploited a hack. The good will of their audience. The Industry has become a cynical endeavor designed to churn over content with the primary goal of feeding online play subscriptions. It failed to properly scale itself beyond 720p/SVGA scope back in the early 2000’s. So cost runaways and visuals over playability and “We’ll get around to fixing that later maybe” has become the accepted development paradigm.
It’s especially bad with “sims” but as Cyberpunk or Fallout 76 showed, it’s not exclusive to sims.
20 years ago they had no realistic graphics and had to compensate with a fun career and gameplay. Today they have realistic graphics and think thats all it needs. Everything besides that went bad. Its so sad. What bothers me for example is the game tells you that you should avoid contact to other cars but they don't do anything for it. How cool would it be when we had a good damage model where we have to repair our cars after races if we had crashes. This way we would learn to drive clean. The way it is now its more like a bumper cars race with no consequences. Or to have tire wear and fuel consumption that we actively need to replace/refill. There are so many cool things that could be in it and most of it would only require some formulas implemented in it to simulate it. When playing GT7 I had dozens of cool ideas for a revolutionary racing game but sadly I'm not Kazunori Yamauchi O.o
You know that quote where they say something along the lines of "you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain"? That's how i feel about Gran Turismo and other driving series.
In fact, this applies pretty well to a lot of games that i grew up with, not just racing games.
Bahraini Carguy, the GRAN TURISMO 7 payout system apparently way broken.
Maybe ur just completely nostalgic over the old games and that taints your view a bit
You all really love doing this, it's always a black or white scenario or else the nature of things are falling apart when something isn't falling inline with your shit. It's the same doom and gloom I been hearing for stuff since Disney brought Star Wars, when RUclipsrs finally choose to stop associating with their shitty past (Idubbz), or when a game's story doesn't end the way they want even though it made complete sense how and why it ended the way it did (LOU2). The same ol cry baby gamers that usually have the loudest voices.
@@euphoriaggaminghd I can testify as a newcomer who has zero nostalgia for the series and emulates GT1 on the Wii - it's actually pretty fun.
@@FarmYardGaming ofc its fun but is it a better game? No way
Most dedicated Gran Turismo 7 RUclipsr doesn't even like GT7 lel
But ngl, you beating Mikhail Hizal in a race + qualification is mighty impressive!
I didn't beat him in that race sadly but I did overtake him so I guess that's worth something lol
They focused on car collecting and made prices realistic...
car collecting IRL is a ***tshow
have you seen ae86 prices ?
people are buing 80's s**tbox and hoping thay get racecar with engine capable of 240bhp at 11k rpm ?
21:27 I could cry at seeing that, made that point in a video of my own and have never saw anyone talking about it. Thanks for pointing it out!
And in general this video is so good! I appreciate that GT games have to move with the times and what gaming is like in the modern era, but GT7 isn’t it. It’s just feels like a tech flex, as you said. The fanbase really should be more vocal.
I’m not a kid anymore, I have a 9-5 job, a long single player campaign wouldn’t scare me off. I’d just play it when a can, a few races a night, watch the progress slowly fill up. Rather than going through some boring menu books that took a few days to complete. GT7 really needs an intervention, or a competitor that can rival it - scare it. Not sure Forza is that competitor but maybe there’s another out there.
I’m just glad I was able to grow up with GT3 and GT4 (1 and 2 were before my time). Long live the memories of the old and simple games!
Something tells me the RIDE series and Isle of Man TT series are the real reasons Polyphony Digital isn't pursuing a Tourist Trophy 2 - they have real competition and wouldn't be able to just slap some bikes into the Gran Turismo 7 package and release it.
An excellent breakdown (and not the Daiki Kasho kind) - regarding the fleshed out single player of GT1 through 4, I wonder if part of the reason might've been, as well as the different gaming landscape that prioritised a fulfilling single-player campaign, that Kaz's influence on the overall direction of those games might've been diluted somewhat by the other lead game designers, due to the smaller, more intimate teams who worked on those earlier games. From 5 onwards, it's possible he had more of an overbearing influence on the series' direction, hence we see games that reflect his vision more and more.
The next "Gran Turismo" will be an indie game.
I hope FM8 doesn't disappoint. I still play FM7 despite the physics model not being as good as GT and the AI somehow having even less spatial awareness than GT's. It still holds my attention and I find it fun. I gave away my PS4 after realizing GT7 was just a good tech demo. I've been a fan of GT since the first game, but I have no desire to play GT7 even after parting ways with the very console I played it on. I was wrong to assume GT couldn't fail, especially considering I liked Sport and felt it was a great base to build a full fledged GT game on top of. Sad times.
Don't get your hopes up too high, them cutting cars that were already shown in footage to be DLC is already a warning sign
Ironically, Sport was the signal that PD haven't really known what they've been doing since the very beginning.
I hope FORZA MOTORSPORT 8 not suffer the same dreadful fate like GRAN TURISMO SPORT and 7.
@@purwantiallan5089 they'll suffer from Forza games instead
Bruh.. just buy a ps5 and gt7 with the PSVR 2... bang.. done, there is no way i will ever play any forza or any other racing game without VR
Gotta agree with the roulette,It’s a weird way of implementing something that feels out of place.More like “let’s just add it?”Could if been fine without it and let us win cars in championships and not every single race we complete.For me I remember gt3 was incredibly hard to win championships but the reward was amazing.
I feel like the roulette was a result of all games getting a system like that and devs just going "I guess we're doing loot like this now?"
I don't like that system either. In any game. Loot crates and random stuff just sucks. I completely disregard it now, just do online races and don't even care. The engine swaps I get just ruin cars, who needs a Golf MK1 with 900hp?... Absolutely undrivable...
Just forget about the tickets I'd say. They don't really matter.
@@vgaportauthority9932 Your opinion does line with the situation of GT7.I saw reviews about the creator not really caring much for GT7.For the mean time it’s just extra cash I use minds cars for the heck of it,do I need the money not really but it makes the game less competitive.Haha very true specially on control.
Unlocking better cars and classic tracks with much more GT cash for arcade custom racing, would put this game leaps ahead of the depressing product it turned out to be.
Actually owning the full game (as a customer) would be nice aswell.
Very well done, mate! Finally someone who said exactly what I think about the game since release.
GT7 made me go back to play GT5 and 6. I went from active (playing every previous GT game every day) to passive. I'm just waiting for the content of the updates and I'm deciding whether it's worth turning the game on or not. If this was their intention, then good job PD.
I don't consider GT7 as a proper game, it's an live-service application for the presentation of virtual cars. It reminds me more of average mobile games, at best.
There is nothing more to keep me interesting because what made GT true king was the long and refined career, which is totally missing.
I don't count physics because it always played second or third place here and we had always other better simulators for that.
Random thought, as soon as the PP system appeared in GT6, it made balancing a race for difficulty way too easy and resulted in a complete lack of creativity , you don't need to figure out a group of cars that's well balanced and exciting to be in because you can just slap a PP limit on it
Another ace in the hole dude, you never miss, personally i don´t care about Sport mode i grown up with the GTs 1-4 to play wiith friends split screen is good i spend most of time on single player aspect of GT, i play it but i fr don´t like it, as you pointed Kaz is totally out of focus he invested so heavy on the online aspect of it (and we´re getting a movie of that aspect of the game), but SP got shafted to oblivion and PD/ Sony/ Kaz don´t care about the fans of old games, when they pull out the plug, game´s dead (GT6 is playable even 'offline'), 7 and Sport won´t be as you pointed, Sport is the only GT i never played or cared, but giving there has more carrer progression than 7 is stunning, keep up the good work man, and defo someone at PD/ SCE should hire you, maybe you could focus Kaz again on what makes GT a GT game.
This is just sad, man. I wish someone at PD would open their eyes and see what's wrong but the truth is... The game was rigged from the start
Bro put in more effort than PD did for the campaign
Your GT7 videos are cathartic. I haven't turned on my PS4 since week 2 of GT7's release, I just don't want to even think about the game because of how disappointing it was, and these videos are as close to closure as I can get lol.
I know it’s in a rough state, but it’s still one of my favourite games to play. I find myself playing it almost everyday and with the VR it’s a whole another level. It’s just a shame that Kaz doesn’t care to look back, and that he doesn’t seem to listen to feedback
I feel like many of those who bash GT7 and the GT series as a whole have zero experience with other sims... I mean, sure, the systems are somewhat shallow, the campaign was pretty short etc.... But if we're comparing it to any of the really big sims, guess what? None of them have _any campaign what so ever_ .... Only the arcade games do, like whatever Codemasters poops out (aside from their sim, dirt rally, again, zero campaign if I remember correctly..) Not just that, the campaigns are just race series with some dialogue... It's like Mario Kart cups but with pep talks.. Yay? Still far inferior to the Cafe...
I'm absolutely in love with this game on PSVR2. Put the headset on and go.. Just works.
PCVR on the other hand, pretty much all the simulators have hella dodgy VR support.. Usually it works on the third launch of the game, at which point my Quest 2 is at 75% battery... That means I have about an hour or so of battery left... Game will definitely crash within that timespan though, which means I'll have to launch it 3 times again......
Console gamers have no idea how good they have it. They have NO IDEA just how much content exists in GT7 compared to PC sims... On the PC side we have to download gigs and gigs of game-crashing content to get even close... And all that content is made by amateurs and has wildly varying quality.. Some of the cars just feel completely alien as well.. Physics done by some 17 year old.. Car model stolen from some other game..
Assetto Corsa is literally a horrible menu that launches races. The VR mode is just that same menu launching races, but the menu is nigh useless in VR, has been for closing in on a decade... Beloved simulator(I love it), literally just a menu and tracks and cars.. No progression, no daily races, no unlockable anything, no customization, no paint jobs unless you're keen on cracking open Photoshop and going at it... UNBELIEVABLY primitive compared to GT7.. Still seen as one of the best sims of all time.
Don't get me started on iRacing... Literally thousands of bucks for the whole game, and the whole thing is just launched off of a website.... Oh, and a subscription... All that said, I love iRacing.
Let's stop pretending Gran Turismo is in some hellish state... All games have flaws, but some people in the GT community really need to get a PC and have a look at the shambling zombie that most racing sims actually are. They need perspective, just waaaaay the hell too spoiled by the GT games.
@@vgaportauthority9932 Well said, I couldn’t have said it any better. GT7 is the closest Polyphony has gotten to a proper sim, with good support for a variety of wheels (including direct drives!). People don’t know how good they have it.
@@vgaportauthority9932 there's a ton of "how dare this man make the game HE wants and not us" in this.
Eerily similar to some of the Star Wars fan entitlement when stories don't go how some wish.
I get it but it's kinda footstamping/Veruca Salt behaviour imo... 😬
@@Nicholas247066 That's the problem. People who bought GT7 don't expect it to be a realistic simulator that has to focus on realism over everything. They expect it to be a fun video game with tons of single-player content like GT2 and GT4. A sequel in the mainline series. But GT7 is not that and that's why people are upset.
I was done with GT7 after my first month of playing, unplugged my PS4 and have stored it for almost a year now without thinking about going back. I was enormously disappointed on launch and my disappointment has not subsided. The amount of not caring coming from Polyphony is comparable to that of 343's mishandling of the Halo franchise. The series needs a hard refresh and a history lesson from its own record books before its anywhere near close to being on the top of my list of racing games once again. I remember being excited to come back to play GT3 and GT4 as a child, and now before logging onto Assetto Corsa I look at GT7 sitting on my shelf with nothing but disappointment at what could and should have been.
What exactly is it what made you so disappointed and refrains you from playing it?
@SN13K3R bruh I'm not gonna lie, I forgot
2:46 this makes me realize why game developers don't really care about story or progression anymore (I'm looking at you forza horizon) that's because they cater to the game journalists. They did that so the journo can "experience" the game in under 3 hours
Recently, GT6 got a new mod. This mod added a LOT of new events which were a remake of all the classic GT4 events. The extra content gives you another 500 hours of gameplay easy. And the mod works flawlessly. This is GT7 for me. So much content, it never gets boring. At that point, who cares about the ps2 car models and ps3 graphics? These modders created new events for free in GT6 and you can't tell it wasn't in the game from the start. Polyphony can't add 10 or 20 events per track in this day and age? A mix of grid starts and drag races and drift events?
Its simple. Sport sales were bad. Sport / online is what they want in terms of direction. They want to be a serious esport title. The problem..it doesn't sell. Solution...put a half assed campaign in and market it like your old much higher selling games.
The more i think about Kazunori Yamauchi and Gran Turismo 7, I'm often reminded of other famous japanese game creators and the games they made that had large expectations that stumbled the landing, so much so that only hardcore fans are the ones to defend it. Like I think of the reaction to Death Stranding or Shenmue 3. Both of those games were in a similar spot as GT7, where there is the guy at the top, who probably doesn't dictate every decision but certainly makes choices on the biggest ones. People who defended Death Stranding seemed to do so out of obligation (considering how the game community reacted to the Kojima and Konami situation) whereas people who defended Shenmue 3 did so out of nostalgia (it was 19 years between games, they had been waiting for so long for the next part in Ryo's story). I'm often reminded of something another youtube channel said years ago about Japanese games. That they're a coin flip, you either get a perfect game or you get utter shit.
Also about Music Rally, what a pointless addition to the game. It basically exists to show off in a trailer or pre-release with little relevance to it post release. Heck they haven't even added a new song to it since launch. It reminds me alot of other novelty events in Gran Turismo's history. Like the Moon in GT6. It's a fun distraction, but they go to all this trouble of making a moon setting with it's own unique properties and you can't even take a Pagani on it, just for the shits and giggles.
Death Stranding is good and DS2 about to be even better. All hail Kojima man.
Music Rally was a waste of resources. Thought this for a long time. Could have used the resources to improve the game
Music rally doesn't even have the same HUD, it's like straight out of GT Sport or something, wouldn't be surprised if the physics are different too since it exists in an entirely different game mode from the main menu on launch
First off, I want to say that I've really enjoyed watching your series on Gran Turismo 7. I love the game, but I think your critical analysis of its flaws are extremely valid and concerning for the future of the franchise. It's no secret to say that the original concept of Gran Turismo was a groundbreaking phenomenon - if that weren't the case, we wouldn't have a laundry list of copycat titles in the early 2000s, when rival game developers recognised how many copies of the early GT games were selling. In fact, it's still the best-selling franchise in PlayStation history (although it's on a technicality, in the fact that some of its former top-selling franchises like Crash Bandicoot, Tekken and Final Fantasy are now available on multiple platforms, and therefore it's harder to track raw numbers on PS titles). It's estimated that GT7 has sold somewhere around 6 million copies, and this will no doubt bump up in the coming months with the launch of the Gran Turismo film.
But in general, I believe that these days, progression in racing games has become outdated. So many titles opt to start the player in a slow road-going car and gradually work your way up to faster sports and racing cars. What I think we should be aiming for is more player agency, which you brought up when you discussed the early-game mechanics of GT7. When you highlight the open-ended nature of Gran Turismo 3, unless you're good enough to secure the Gold time on every license test, it's almost an inevitable fact that you'll be starting your fresh save entering the Sunday Cup with a Mazda MX-5 or Toyota Sprinter. It's only after slogging through these early-game events that the player can freely enter a wider collection of races. I would like it if racing games asked the player what and how they want to drive and assemble some events to tailor to that. Was it Project Cars 2 that had something like this, where there was a bunch of events in different categories of motorsport and you could pick exactly how you wanted to start your racing career? It offers more variety at the start of a game save, which hasn't been seen in a GT game before.
As for the future, I'm cautiously optimistic instead of cautiously pessimistic. Polyphony's desire to always look forward is okay if the company has its finger on the pulse. For example, opting for procedurally-generated events could be a solution in ensuring every vehicle in the game has a purpose. If a player loves driving a particular vehicle, but has run out of events to race them in, it could craft new ones likened to the player's desires. Maybe they want more races with mandatory pit stops and tyre changes. Maybe it's wanting to have something to do with those expensive vintage cars and giving them a purpose. If Gran Turismo truly wants to be this microcosm of motoring, then the next game really needs to head down this path of giving the player ultimate freedom. I've been thinking about software like ChatGPT and how it could be implemented into a game like Gran Turismo. Something along the lines of designing a race where I want to drive a Honda NSX, on this particular track, and I want the race to last about 45 minutes with one mandatory pit stop. The game could then spit out a fair but challenging race based on BOP that meets all the criteria I have specified. Every race could be different and totally unique. I'm no game designer, so I have no idea how easy this would be to include, but it's a nice thing to think about.
The thing about GT7 basically being devoid of any Gran Turismo content is that it's the same problem that has been plaguing most gaming genres over the last decade or so, and the root of it all is very simple: Online Multiplayer.
Game development companies see mutiplayer as a license to make games devoid of any actual gaming content - they lay down the basics, write some netcode and let the players go at it. It's not hard to figure out how this is much less expensive than investing months and years of design and development to create a fully crafted "gaming experience". From sports games such as Fifa to racing games like GT, Forza and the F1 series, from shooters to strategy games, we see this approach more and more - all but exacerbated by the massive success of stuff like Fortnite, which brings further fuel to the fire by factoring in the players (especially younger ones) vanity as a source for additional income in the form of paid content. One doesn't need to look much further than the apocalyptic fate of the Forza Motorsport series, which has been essentially killed off in favour of the brainless, bombastic, childish Horizon spin-offs - that focus more on selling avatar clothes as DLCs than on the driving aspect.
This brings in relatively easy money for the producers, and they're happy with it - they ARE leaving a huge chunk of the playerbase behind, especially considering the fact that, nowadays, the online multiplayer of any games bar the simplest ones requires a significant investment of time and dedication to even have half a chance of being competitive and enjoy the game; Being fragged every 1.3 seconds or lagging a lap behind the closest competitor aren't exactly situations that make you want to play the game more. But clearly, in today's market, that "pay once play forever" playerbase is not worth the money invested.
hey about youre racing game journalism .
for ign they have Luke Reilly and he seems to do a pretty good job at reviewing racing games but you still have a good point and the Gran turismo 7 video's youve made are amazing, finally someone who doesnt see the game a masterpiece but rather as a flawed game with shit game design. Keep up the video's
Love your videos! Kaz is wealthy now and wants to go play with race cars and rub shoulders with the big players at the car brands. The huge delays with GT5 etc while he was out playing race car driver show this. GT died at GT4. Everything since has been a half effort with old car models, delays and missing features. Sony keeps writing Kaz checks to make this crap and it has only gotten worse. Why would he care anymore? He is living the car enthusiast dream, and is no doubt way more successful than he ever dreamed of being. The sleep in your office labor of love is gone. At least we have the classics and our memories.
Well you have to still make things or you can and will go bankrupt. But they might focus on making money through everything else other than video games. I guess this is the future. The false prophets will go make franchises out of video games and disappear entirely from the video game market. And then you’ll have the game designers that care about gaming and not some bullshit vision of the future…
I've been playing GT since 1997. GT is the reason why I bother buying a PS. After GT7 I learned my lesson. I will not preorder the game or buy a special editions. I will wait a few months do decide if I'll even buy the game. I do play sports because I have no choice, but I couldn't care for it and even Sport mode is getting repetitive. It is sad honestly Kaz and PD drank their own Cooley. They think that we will just love what ever they put out.
Kaz see cars as art and it shows. Artist don't ask the public what to make. They duck tape a banana to the wall and expect people to love it. That's where we are now with GT7.
Boom! 💥Nailed it! I took a UX design course recently, and a very prominent recurring theme is, ‘You are not your user’. Essentially, this means that when you design something based on assumptions or personal preferences, you are destined to alienate the end users. If however, you continually test your product with the end user from the beginning, iterating based on their valued feedback, then the end product will most likely succeed where the former convention failed. I wonder which method Kazunori San is using?…
These videos are great. I really hope PD, Sony and other racing game designers are taking time to watch and absorb all this! 👍
40:48 What Polyphony could’ve done was create duplicate saves, one for online and one for offline. How it would work is that any progress made on the online save would carry over to your offline save, but the same cannot be done the other way around. With that said, there would be no modded saves present in online lobbies and your progress will be kept when the servers shut down or when you’re offline with all features (except for those that require internet) still accessible.
It’s not perfect, as offline progress not carrying over can be an inconvenience, but it sure is a whole lot better then nearly the whole game (that you paid money for) being unplayable for not having an online connection.
Don´t forget most of the creators making GT content every week and praising every update are either in Gran Turismo´s payroll and indirectly have received tons of benefits and gifts from them (free trip to events, exclusive early access, etc) therefore turning into paid game reviewers like IGN or the "professional reviewers" listed in Metacritic even if they don´t realize they are being coerced to speak positively about the product.
Also most of them just focus on sim and online racing, therefore never cared for the single player experience.
Bro, the pre-order regret at the start of the video really struck a cord with me. I got really excited for Need for Speed Payback releasing back in 2017 and pre-ordered that when I could. Did end up feeling quite disappointed by it even though I even ended up playing it for a decent amount of time
Thanks for the warning.
I played GT1 obsessively, to the point I started running home from school to get more time playing it. Had to keep buying extra memory cards because I couldn't limit myself to 100 cars. Bought analog controllers just because of this game too.
GT2 was basically the same, but I got through it much quicker as I didn't have to learn to drive like I did when I was 12yrs old playing gt1.
GT3 tricked me into buying a PS2 on launch, only to have to wait for what felt like forever before the game was launched. All was forgiven when I finally got to play it though.
I even bought GT Concept Geneva and used it to brush up on my Nissan history before a job interview!
GT4 I didn't like so much at the time, it felt sterile and cold compared to GT3.
GT5 once again tricked me into buying the newest playstation, this time I thought I'd been clever by waiting a couple of years only for GT5 to be delayed for the 100th time. I liked the feel of the cars and the racing but it was getting quite pretentious with all the useless concept cars and even more terrible city circuits.
GT6 I played for about 1hr at a friends house before realising its just a giant tutorial.
Haven't played Sport or GT7, but until recently I would regulalry mull over the idea of buying a PS5 just for GT7. That was on the impression I had from the trailer that it was a return to proper Gran Turismo though. So glad I held off and have found videos like this!
I still work for Nissan developing cars, which I don't think I would have ever considered doing if GT1-3 hadn't shown me there was more to them than Micras. Breaks my heart a bit to see where its ended up, especially the seeming embarrassment Kaz has for the early games.
Thankfully emulators exist. Playing GT1-3 in 4K is amazing!
I totally want to see you develop a campaign mode for GT7, using cars and tracks present in the game right now. From beginner to endurance and rally leagues. That would be awesome to see
Custom races give little to no money, which you need to buy cars and parts to have fun.
I broke down all the solo mode races.... and it's almost like Kaz is a ... spiteful to solo players. After being a player of basically every racing game, and GT enthusiast since the beginning, I will no longer be buying any of the GT titles until Kaz and PD prove they even want real customers....
I watched though the entire GT7 series of videos you've made, and enjoyed them all. I have never played GT7.
The last time I played a GT game was in 2020, and it was GT sport, when I borrowed it from my cousin. At that time, the single player update was already out. I thought the single player was great, a lot of content that kept me playing for months, without a ps plus subscription. I did notice AI being too easy on certain maps, like Nurburgring (my favourite) where they would literally move out of your way. Also didn't like how the car buying worked and how few cara there were altogether. And I missed more original tracks, and city circuits. Perhaps thats beacuse the only other GT game that I've played prior was the one on the PSP.
I wrote an essay about Kaz when I was in elementary school. I had just played GT on my friends PS1, I later got the PSX and a copy. I have been addicted ever since....shame where the series has ended up.
That ending gave me chills, it's been a really long time since a video does that, no a fear chill but a disapointed chill because it's what you said, they had EVERYTHING TO DO IT RIGHT and yet they failed MASIVELY, it's like they wanted to kill Gran Turismo.......... Whitch to be honest now I'm not so sure if that's a bad idea seeing what this Game became to be, It only needs tiny details to be a great GT Tittle, they dont need to change the driving, remake Sport mode or build the Game from Scratch, they have the content to make on of the best racing games EVER, but as you say, "they don't want to" and as you also said, "that is the real tragedy". Thank you for making these, and believe in karma because if GT8 EVER gets realeased.......... Thrust me that is gonna go wrong
Agreed on the “gaming journalist” points. All the big ones I’ve seen like IGN, Reviewtech etc all had gameplay of them spinning out in FWD hatches or not knowing how to use the brakes lol. If they can’t even drive decent in a racing game, you know they know nothing about what makes a good racing game.
Agreed, IGN doesn't know about the problem
I swear every time they touch a racing game it's like that one Cuphead review lol
@@Roflwaffle16 LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
Excellent analysis, its true that the game makers of GT7 are not listening to the community because it is simply not enough of an incentive for them. I guess in the future we will all have to stop buying and stop playing these games for anything to change, but good luck with that I guess.. complacency rules the world
Having dropped the series after putting tons of hours into GT5 I suddenly see a resurgence in RUclips videos about the old Gran Turismo games, probably because how hated GT7 has been. Seeing all the wacky challenge runs being made with only used cars or no upgrades makes me wanna at least try GT6, which I skipped back in the day because I got the PS4 shortly after release and just shifted focus.
Also, can we get rid of the image of the "savior all powerful creator"? Much like George Lucas proved with the prequels, the magic needed to create some truly unique works with long lasting legacies does not come from one single person. Time and time again when you give unlimited power of decision to these people they seem to fall flat. The old Gran Turismo games were great because of an unified vision where everyone probably made compromises, not strickly following the vision of a single creator/programmer.
You certainly weren't kidding, it's almost an hour. This has been a thoroughly enjoyable set of videos, thank you.
I love GT. It’s all I’ve played for years. Without fail. Every single week. I’ve gotten to the point that I put GT7 down. I haven’t played in a month. I probably won’t return any time soon and I’m definitely not rushing out to buy 8 at release. I don’t care what kind of goodies they give for preorder or release day versions. Don’t care. I really enjoyed GT Sport’s offline more than GT7 and that’s awful. I hear to try Sport mode races in GT7 or join a league. I’ve done both. No interest in Sport mode and it’s not because I suck. I’ve landed top 3% in the world on my qual at the end of the week and within the top 900 players globally. Sport is alright but not something I enjoy a lot. I’ve had a few good races. The last race I ran I got punted into oblivion and went from 2nd to last. Not fun. Leagues have their own issues. The racing is usually better by a lot but you’re racing on everyone else’s schedule, running a car you might not like on tracks you might not like and all the while spending all your time on practicing for the next race under those conditions sometimes. I like offline. I like engaging career modes. That’s just me. The game has left me wanting. It needs better design, more tracks, more events and Sophy or at least a hugely improved AI. Most games have a super difficult setting for top players to enjoy but GT7’s AI kind of sets the bar at like a C level at the hardest. I understand making the game accessible but they need gameplay that caters to faster people. That’s not a big demand. Nearly every game does it. Veteran mode in COD, Ultra Nightmare in Doom, etc.
This is the most in-depth, well-curated and informative set of Gran Turismo videos I've ever seen! thank you for creating this series and I'm looking forward to more videos soon :)
What i always loved GT for was the fact that you could, indeed, drive similar cars in game to those you see irl, specially in 4 5 and 6, and there were so many of them. Now the game feels detached from normal people's reality. The old cars are gone, and there is only either a very few selection of modern sportscars or plain up racecars and supercars, or concept cars, if gran turismo is the "real driving simulator" they should go back to their roots and include a bunch of random generic shitboxes that can give us an connection to the game, bcuz rn its just another forza horizon with better graphics
I bought gt1 back when it was new. And never heard of half the cars. I ended up buying 2 glanza v, a 94 vti, and a 95 wrx. Safe to say I won't own any cars in this game.
1:00 makes a really interesting parallel to most other video games, not just in the racing genre. there ARE a lot of games like what is described here where there is very little sustenance and it seems like they're going through a checklist of expectations. just ask any long-time Elder Scrolls fan about that.
a developer's expectations may be radically different to the player's. this is just a thing that needs to be accepted before we move on with discussions about how much we miss the good old days, etc. etc. etc. but when games fail to deliver even the bare minimum is when things get awkward. Gran Turismo 7 gave us the expectations of nostalgia and how it's going to be a "full installment" in the series. the reality is that it's basically an updated GT Sport with some breadcrumbs of single-player content that is mercilessly strapped to perhaps the strangest battle pass system ever conceived.
GT7 is simply another victim of the racing genre eating itself ouroboros style over trying to capitalize on the games-as-a-service platform, probably a demand from Sony because 1.) their competitors are doing it with success (citation needed) and 2.) GT Sport was already halfway through that door anyway. and i think it's here where Polyphony genuinely doesn't know what the fuck to do, which is a very interesting case because if they DID have enough competence to manage a GaaS title, i feel like cafe menus would've been the least of our concerns. to me personally, the roulette tickets seem like a window into the worst possible timeline. their mere existence rubs me the wrong way.
mismanagement with GaaS titles has been plaguing the entire industry for a while now. but racing games have definitely been harmed the most during the age of season passes, premium in-game currencies, and FOMO marketing. i guess there's only so much you can milk out of going in circles competitively without it coming off as an insult to your players.
with regards to Gran Turismo 7: more power to you if enjoy the game (imo Sport Mode is still pretty good compared to any other online racer outside of actual simulators) but there is definitely something wrong at a fundamental level. really, it applies to most current day racing games.
Gran Turismo slowly turning into Microsoft Flight Simulator 😂
All simulation, zero game
GT4 MASTER RACE
I think Gran Turismo has always reflected how Kaz views Car Culture. GT 2 and Initial D give me the same feeling, the same vibe around the cars, around how they drive and how they work. GT 3 and 4 as best I can tell from very limited experiences feel like more evolved versions of that. Bigger, better, like a tour through the culture of Professional Racing with love for the Cars that drive those races. 5 felt like a change, like it was trying to grow up. 6, Sport, and 7 give me about the same professional feeling. The cars glide through the air as they ride through the track and moments on the track can feel really beautiful. I think Kaz's direction tries to bring out a joy from the drive, where nothing but the road and the cars on it really matters. But GT 7 feels especially corporate. Limited, like a list of all the "Best Bits" according to a reductive and elitist view on Car Culture. The actual corporate end of this isn't helping either, feels like the development was based on compromise, like "As long as it doesn't hurt my Art, you can do anything you want". The Driving Experience is wonderful, everything else seems motivated by greed and narcissism. A Fan Game would do Car Culture far better justice nowadays. I can't get myself lost in the Zeitgeist of GT7 like I very VERY easily do with those few times I touch one of the earlier games, even though GT 7 presents its Zeitgeist so openly.
This is my opinion but i'm curious to hear yours but i feel like GT7 is more of a stepping stone for the franchise, in my opinion what happened was that people weren't happy whit GTS and PD needed something to bring people back to the franchise so they made GT7 announcing how it was more like the classic games so that people come back seeing a few of classic tracks and cars and think that its enought, IMO i would prefer they bring back less popular tracks so that if they change the scenery like what they did with grand valley speedway it will still have the classic feel and at the same time feel like a totally new track.
I would like to know your opinion on it, i still think that GT7 is an amazing game but it feels like its just a way for PD to not loose players.
Your videos are gold! I play GT7 almost every day and it takes 95% of my playing time overall, I enjoy it because I love to take stock cars and tune them to become racing 'monsters' however at the same time I agree with every single thing you say. It is such a beautiful and great game in some aspects and then awful in others...it's so weird I'm amazed and very disappointed with the game at the same time. And beside AI most of the issues can be fixed like in a week of coding, just add more events ffs people would be so much happier. Roflwaffle keep up good work!
This video simply needs to be trending here on RUclips as well as other social media. I literally agree with everything mentioned here. Only thing that will frustrate me even further going forward, will be if GT8 will only be a 2 year turnaround. But I HIGHLY doubt that
@28:00 This is my sentiment on alot of racing games made today. The entire genre is behind especially the more realistic sim racing games. They are big sandboxes of cars and tracks that developers release you into but with nothing to do with the cars. And often cars are not carefully thought of when they are grouped into classes so you can have entire classes dominated by 1 single car. Almost every GR2 race in GT7 is a spec series of nissan GTR GT500 that it begs the question what is the point of the other cars in the class?
Hopefully more of the racing community realises how far behind racing games are to the rest of the gaming community in terms of features and starts demanding more from them and we can get some innovation and much needed basic features that have been present in some racing games in the past and in the wider gaming industry
In all honesty, if there was a new Assetto Corsa, I’d jump ship. I love what gplaps has shown us.
But I installed it, and it’s too old now. Wheels not being supported, workarounds…
Not ACC, mind you, I want the vintage content. Spoked wheels on tracks that don’t exist anymore, that kind of thing. A Voisin against a T35 Bugatti on Brooklands, being harassed by a Sunbeam. An endurance would be the Gordon Bennett race. But with updated physics and software. Or Peking-Paris, every stage a journey. That’s the way to get a storyline into a racing game.
Oh god, I’m going to watch The Mummy again, aren’t I?
I came into sport and 7 late.
And I hate them ... I fucking hate them.
GT4 was the pinnacle for me, GT5 definitely tried harder but didn't quite have the magic of GT4.
GT6? I don't know why but I genuinely LOVED that game despite a lot of laziness graphically with certain cars/tracks, yet I still broke a world record on Tsukuba online before they took away the servers 😭
GT sport was just arcade mode unless you actually commit to online gameplay and GT7 seems more or less the same, whether you're willing to play the forza isn't a simulator and GT is for me is irrelevant.
I can boot up forza 4 now (and often do) I have so much more fun than I do on modern GT games, also there's still an online community that exists there 🤣 crazy but true! Gran turismo will always be my favourite racing franchise of all time, it was the game that genuinely rocked my tiny 11 year old brain back in 97/98! But its lost its way.
My personal conclusion after watching Kaz interview is that the first 4 entries in Gran Turismo where made by accident and the lack of proper technology, which is a very sad way to think about 4 of my favorite racing games.
You would be in serious depression because most of the games ever created, still nowadays, have to change their original vision because of limitations, for better or worse, it has been like it since the very beggining.
That is because for us, consummers, games are just for fun. But for game creators in any level is a full time work, with constraints, deadlines, executive changes, bad management, etc
I think you are on to something. It was maybe more of a side effect rathee than the desired result. Now they want to make a movie? What the hell? It is a game franchise and now they want you to pay to see a bunch of fart huffing nonsense about how f**king awesome they are. Kaz really might as well be the Jim Jones of video games at this point.
It was an honor to have my comment featured! I really enjoy these videos. As much as I want to see polyphony succeed and create something special that satisfies Kaz and the main player base, it’s just hard to see that happening with Kaz’s odd approach to game design, but it is inexcusable how many past ideas have been scrapped in the name of realism, If this game is supposed to be realistic, why don’t the ai actually race the player?
GT7 annoys me so damn much. I'm in Australia, so by the time I bought a PS5 and GT7, I'd spent the best part of $1000. I only bought the PS5 because GT7 looked so damn good - I had little to no interest in any other games releasing on the console. The game finally comes out, I finish the "story" and then realise - there's really nothing else to do in this game unless I go play online. Fast forward a few weeks from there, and I put my PS5 up for sale. Even if PD make drastic changes and the game turns out amazing, I'll likely never play it again as it completely burned me.
as someone who picked up GT7 at launch (on PS4) and hasnt really *played* a GT game since GT2 (ive tried out GT3 and 4 but never really got anywhere) i have quite enjoyed it, logging around 60 hours, most of those in the livery editor (and quite a lot of those with the game open in the background but working on decals in photoshop). but i almost exclusivlely use it as a livery creation tool and photography sim, not the racing game that it was advertiesed to be. it is fantastic in the aspects i use it for but whenever i feel i want to actually drive the cars i create, im often left dissapointed. your series is fantastic and helped me realise what GT actually is now, and makes me want to find some of the older games like GT6 that i never got the chance to play and see what could have been. ill continue to enjoy GT7, but i feel like i have been cheated out of what i wanted to play the game for, yet they managed to keep me hooked with features that are disconnected from the game itsself.
Lol don't go back and actually give GT3 a fair look, you will be even MORE disappointed in 7!
I agree with most points you presented, but I disagree so much on the Vision GT part that I felt I was about to explode like Vegeta. Vision GT is one of the best features of the whole series, and it IS for the players! The point of having literal design exercises on a game is for US, THE PLAYERS to put our "hands" in machines that can only exist in our dreams! Since we got the Dodge Copperhead aka Concept Car in the PS1 era, this was a staple of the series. However, on Vision GT, the manufacturers "give" us their perception on what car would players like! Take the dodge tomahawk X for example. THAT SHIT IS RAD AF! What other game could give us something like that? Seriously, I can't just see it as a corporate relations stunt or whatever. But I do agree with most of the other takes... GT7 is indeed lacking.
It's more to do with the usage of the VGT cars more than the cars themselves. They clearly didn't put much thought into how they would fit into the game, although the same applies for many other cars in GT7 but even as far back as GT6 it just felt like they were being shoved in without a second thought.
I like a lot of the Vision GT cars, stuff like the BMW, Honda, Suzuki and Ferrari VGTs I think are awesome, but they seem to exist in their own bubble, separate from everything else in the game when they could easily be integrated better. And nothing shows this better than the general reaction when they do add one, usually "er, okay, but why can't we have X car instead?" I'm almost certain that if you took a poll of GT7 players and asked them if they preferred to have the Ferrari VGT or the Ferrari 499P Hypercar, the Hypercar would come out on top. Easily.
It's a real shame because I do think VGT is fundamentally a great idea but the execution is just really poor. Again, I will talk about this in more detail in a future video so stay tuned for that.
@@Roflwaffle16 I will stay tuned and now I completely agree with you. But I still think that Vision GT's lack of "racingness" is due to how GT7 is structured. I remember racing the crap outta Vision GTs in GT6, especially on online special events they had every once in a while. GT7 just has a lot of cars that, as you exposed in the video, see absolutely NO racing. They are just there as a showcase and historical remarks. GT7 MUST improve their online events, as EVERY TIME I LOG IN there's a stupid Gr3 event in a circuit where everybody crashes (aka Dragon Trail), some weird race in an SUV or a tiny underpowered car, but there is a substantial lack of "theme racing", as we had in the past, especially in GT2 (even though it had no car type limitations, only power limitations).
25:25 THIS section is in my head at least since GT5, its like they want to drive us mad. They show us something good, then take it away without explanation, or leave a obvious bug, that should be easy to fix, for months in the game.
gran turismo's biggest problem is that gt3 and gt4 exist.
sadly true, even when i didn't played neither of those, the way people puts those games (specially the 4th one) in a pedestal let's me believe those games put the bar so high, everything, no matter what it has to offer will recieve backlash from the most "loyal" GT fans lacking any better word that isn't "purists"
Funny enough, the closest thing to a traditional Gran Turismo I've played recently has been a Need For Speed game.
A community mod for NFS ProStreet caught my attention back in April (which is also when the mod launched, I'm on about the Pepega Mod) and so I went out of my way to find archived copies of the PC version so I could play the vanilla version first before enjoying the additional quality and comedic value of the mod.
I was surprised to find that ProStreet isn't your average NFS, and instead a weird departure from the usual franchise structure. Gone is the small but open map and to-the-nines customisation, and in its place a menu-oriented linear campaign more akin to GT. While there's still some franchise familiarity (E.g. generalised tuning parts, a fairly impressive customisation system even without all the bells and whistles of, say, Underground), it's more towards a sim racer than an arcade street racer.
The general progression involves taking your collection of cars to "track days" - a selection of events all hosted at one location - and then winning enough of them to 'dominate' the competition by collective score. This then unlocks other track days, and any dominant race scores in individual events will count towards entry into the final championships in the respective fields of racing (Drift, Grip (standard), Speed (high-speed linear tracks) and Drag). Once you win the finale in each field and then unseat the Showdown King, you win the game.
If anyone's aching for a traditional GT and has a decent computer, I'd recommend seeking out an archived copy of this game (or even getting a console version if you're not fussed about modding). The 'track day' structure feels like GT7's haphazard array of events given a more purposeful form, and it's a very enjoyable game give or take some annoyances with specific tracks and event structure.
It's not a perfect emulation of a GT either - you won't find any car limitations or endurance events, for example - but it's somehow better than GT7 (imo) despite being some 15 years older.
Thank you for the kind words!
I had even more ideas for a GT-like implementation for the mod, but due to time constraints we settled on the menu sound effects.
Prostreet is awesome, might be the closest i get to experiencing something like GT, but Prostreet on its own is really cool, it's like a street racing take on the simcade genre and its fantastic
@@TheCapitalWanderer And that's the beauty of it. The Black Box's driving simulation engine is a capable being, if a bit janky. Pro Street is a perfect example of it being used for a more driving sim purpose than street racing.
Change itself isn't a bad thing. We dont need GT7 to be GT sport wearing a GT4 trenchcoat.
However, the changed they do make still do need to be fun. GT7 simply isn't. They failed in the task of revolutionizing the game formula. They seem to have focused on fixing the wrong problems.
lost myself at "Hideo Turismo" 😂, good one
I just realised I haven't played GT7 since March. Jesus. I've been playing Forza Motorsport 4 and GT6 again. GT7 completely slipped my mind. No one is gonna talk about GT7 10 years from now. I mean who really remembers GT Sport now?
Sadly GT Sport was my first GT experience ever however I did recently get to play some of the classics and I get where people are coming from.
Still on Sport I made a lot of livery’s, loved the community, and raced a lot. I had my fun with it
Unlike in GT7, I had a lot of fun in GT Sport racing people from all over the world.
@@bigredracingteam9642 the tedious thing is earning credits and rebuilding your old garage
@@eric6rock Recently, GT6 got a new mod. This mod added a LOT of new events which were a remake of all the classic GT4 events. The extra content gives you another 500 hours of gameplay easy. And the mod works flawlessly. This is GT7 for me. So much content, it never gets boring. At that point, who cares about the ps2 car models and ps3 graphics?
@@bigredracingteam9642 yep. But GT5 and 6 are also plenty of fun thanks to its online seasonal events.
The origin of all the issues with GT7 is online play. Polyphony thinks online play is a viable replacement for single player content when it is not. Most players are not high level, thousand dollar plus sim rig owners trying to qualify for the Olympics. They play on controller, they play solo, and they just want to boot up the game, drive cool cars in fun events, and feel like they are progressing.
I only got GT7 because i'd not played a car game in years, and it was a nostalgic choice since GT2 was one of my first games. But since Rally is basically my favourite motor sport, the game is just boring to me, the livery editor is great, but the offroad is terrible. I have Dirt 4 & Rally 2.0, so I naturally would rather them. GT7 feels less a racing game, and more a part art gallery, part advertisement to car brands. I understand this game just may well not be for me, but i'd be happier if it was, what i thought it could of been, a sort of playground for cars.
Great Series.
I think the biggest thing for me as to why I find the state of Gran Turismo 7 so disappointing was that it straight up used Sport, a 6 year old game, as its base. If it was its completely own thing and the content was as skim as it is but it was a different enough experience from older GTs in a different engine built to take advantage of the PS5 I would've found that more understandable. Or on the flipside, if they used the advantage of using GT Sport as a base to completely pack the game with content without having to worry about building an engine from scratch, that would've been great! A true GT 4 successor in that case, but they did neither. They released a game based on GT Sport with barely any content and multiple elements ripped from that game like the HUD, cars, tracks and the multiplayer and added a completely laughable GT Mode, roulette systems and a terrible economy on top. I really hope they learn from this for Gran Turismo 8, though I have a strong feeling they won't for some reason (not as long as Kaz is directing at least). Maybe Sophy AI might actually be implemented into that game though which would at least make racing the AI fun.
The most important thing in GT7 and later games is the AI being made better. I recently watched footage of Gran Turismo 4. It actually feels like the AI is less competitive in GT7 than GT4.
I wish you had also covered the difficulty issue, I cranked the difficulty for the campaign just to see if it'd be a challenge and it wasn't, still just rolling roadblocks but now they press the accelerator a wee bit harder
you lay your thoughts out very well, way better than i ever will. The series just hits almost everything that bothers me in gt7, I hope fm8 will give PD the wakeup call they need to notice something is at least wrong but i defo won't hold my breath for it. I am excited to see what you'll make in the future.
I've commented my opinion on GT7 on past videos so I'll spare everyone the repetition and just go straight to thanking Roflwaffle for his epic series. ❤️
Damn, this was one great big ramble but you can tell it's a passion project. If PD and Sony don't really care to make a game fun, it's their fault. I'll stick to what's been proven: older games. I'm still playing GT Sport single player because there are just so many races to complete, but just today, an hour before this video went live I came home with a bag full of videogames: Driveclub, Forza 4, Tourist Trophy and GT 2000 Concept (Tokyo Geneva), all used. If sony wanted my GT7 money maybe they should have made it worth my time.
THE WAITING HAS AN END
GT Sport > GT 7
I’ve said it already, and I’ll say it again.
Really I just hope this isn’t the end of your uploads. Glad you decided to come back to this channel and I look forward to what you make.
I'm half way in and I absolutely LOVE Your content, please keep doing it.
I will say though you do sometimes take a militant stance or a real negative lense on somethings.
Having classic Porsches, E30 M3 come to the game is recognising their iconic status over a drifters favourite car.
I won't defend this game as it has many flaws but some of the angles you question it from do have a very much yin and Yang thing going on.
I'll watch the rest and update this comment but again love your work and keep doing it!
I stopped watching at "boot lickers" it's a projection of your negativity on people that do enjoy GT and don't care for these flaws.
A critique is not framing positives to make a negative argument it's there to extract the good and areas for improvement.
The game is not the game we were promised or expected and I've been playing it for 25 years. Is it poor on the career side yes. Is it a bad game? I dunno they make the game and we choose to play it or not. Could it be better? Sure but to call people boot lickers because they like it, is quite honestly insulting and trivialises some of the important issues you are trying to raise.
As I said keep making content and I support that.
Spoiler all those pictures you drew as a kid that went on the fridge...your parents don't have them stored in a keep sake box ;)
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Be careful with that false sense of hubris, Homer Simpson designed a car once....it is ok to be dissatisfied and point out the flaws it's a leap of epic proportions to claim you can do better.
I don't think making races you like with AI you like is gonna make the game better for everyone. But you will enjoy it.
The 'bootlickers' comment was more directed towards those people who will blindly defend GT7 at every opportunity, not those who harmlessly enjoy the game. Every fanbase has those types of people, be it Gran Turismo, Nintendo or whatever, who aren't satisfied that they enjoy the game but make it their mission to ensure that everyone else has to enjoy the game as well. You could argue that my videos have the opposite impression but that's never been my intention.
I think that if you did watch all the way through you would begin to understand my point of view better. It's not simply that GT7 is not the game that I or many other long-term fans want, but more that PD seems incapable of accepting what GT7 actually is. Do you remember with GT Sport how there were so many people saying that it was a complete betrayal and they would never play another GT game again? None of them were me. GT Sport is actually the GT game I have the most amount of play time in. By far. I'm not adverse to them doing something different but when you put as much effort as they clearly did trying to appeal to those types of people who were turned off by Sport, and then the game you actually produce takes almost every opportunity to kick those people in the gut, it begins to seem like a cruel joke.
As I've said, I don't believe this was intentional, but that's how it comes off. If you're interested the part where I talk about this specifically starts at 38:50.
Now that you mention this, and it's not really a complete game but a sort of overhaul, there this mod for Gran Turismo 4 in development called "B-Spec II", that reworks the handling, automatic transmission, adds region exclusive cars (Mini Cooper 98, the Hyundai cars and all the cars with ESSO sponsors), special events for cars that cannot normally participate (i.e.: Ford T Model and Jay Leno's Tank Car) and an "Event Synthethizer" like in GT PSP.
If only they could change the tire sound. My god how did I play those games back in the day