Completely different type of personality disorder - but I'd love an interview with someone with schizotypal personality disorder specifically. There really isn't much out there.
As someone with a high amount of empathy, let me just say, it's incredibly exhausting. Especially during a time where all you see on the news is about how people are suffering. Compassion, in my opinion, is just as important, if not more.
@@starletveracity7413 actually ASPD is a spectrum. The way I imagine it is psychopaths are at the extreme end of the spectrum and they feel no empathy or emotions. Right next to that is sociopaths they feel some emotions but still not much. That doesn’t make any of them dangerous though. Not all of them are aggressive or manipulative. A lot of them can function normally in society as descent people.
@@brittbate13 I know. That doesn’t contradict what I said, it’s just a more detailed explanation. At the time I cba to write more than what I did but I think your comment will be useful for others to read
@@starletveracity7413 it doesn’t contradict what you said at all. I slightly misread your comment and thought you said not all sociopaths has ASPD. yet i read the sentence after that correctly, not completely sure how that made since in my brain but anyways. Yes mine is a more detailed comment and should help people who need to fill in any missing blanks.
Cats will mess up all your stuff if you don't give them enough attention or things to do. That actually sounds like a good analogy for everything she described.
I'm an autistic person with very low and unsteady empathy, and I wanted to comment on the thing the lovely interviewee mentions about "some people confuse it with autism, like once you understand you're just magically able to do it all the time", I obviously can't speak for everyone, but this DEFINITELY isn't how it works for myself. Pretty rarely will I experience empathy 100% automatically and reflexively like I've heard empathetic people do, and when I do it's usually only for animals and occasionally children. For me it's usually a process I have to go through semi-manually step by step to approximate what an empathetic person might be feeling. Sometimes it's easier than others, but it's more like muscle memory than like magic. Like my brain might automatically start the process thinking "Oh, that person is hurt, we're supposed to feel bad about that, we should feel bad about it because it would suck to hurt like that, think about feeling that type of pain, okay good empathy simulation complete, we should figure out how to help keeping that feeling in mind" and that might take as little as a few seconds but it's still step by step and conscious. Other times I'll be standing there, and feel like I don't fit in a situation and I'm doing something wrong or missing context and I don't figure out for a minute "Oh, wait, they're using empathy, shit, I've gotta do that". Other times it's super hard to do or I just CAN'T do it, and I have to try to just fake it and that can be easy or hard too, and other times I don't care, or I don't want to, or empathy is super inconvenient or I actively don't think someone deserves empathy, and honestly it's super hard to force myself to try or pretend in those situations, and sometimes I just don't bother. Empathized (no irony intended) with a lot of what they were saying, and I just wanted to put it out there, it doesn't always come easy to us Auties either, and it's definitely always draining for me personally, so I'm sure at least some other Auties also know what you mean. I do suspect though that some peeps HAVE pretty average levels of empathy and just don't know how to implement it, or don't get how others communicate suffering/discomfort, or have a hard time picking up on it, so once they figure it out they have a bit of an easier time with it. And I do get being frustrated with people not understanding how hard it can be to have to do empathy manually.
is it just me or does having BPD give you a soft spot for all other personality disorders. like, we can't help it. we were traumatically built like this.
It’s not just you. i don’t want to believe in the stigma about NPD but I’ve never met, seen, or heard of anything different. i am always willing to listen and understand but I haven’t had the opportunity to yet. i hope i find someone in real life or the internet who can say they don’t fit the stigma soon. Though i don’t think they are evil monsters like most people do either. I understand the disorder and why they developed it and it makes me sad. I understand why they have to symptoms they do. I understand why they manipulate. I don’t think it justifies their behavior but i do understand. Its all very sad :(
@@brittbate13 hey sorry for the late comment but I suggest Kanika Batra. She has aspd and npd but is very self aware, accountable, and compassion. She also understands why some people may be hesitant towards people with aspd or npd if they have been abused by sociopaths or narcissists
The Diagnostic Criteria according to the DSM 5 A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: 1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest. 2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure. 3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead. 4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults. 5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others. 6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations. 7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another. B. The individual is at least age 18 years. C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years. D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Diagnostic Features The essential feature of antisocial personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy, or dyssocial personality disorder. Because deceit and manipulation are central features of antisocial personality disorder, it may be especially helpful to integrate information acquired from systematic clinical assessment with information collected from collateral sources. For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be at least age 18 years (Criterion B) and must have had a history of some symptoms of conduct disorder before age 15 years. Conduct disorder involves a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated. The specific behaviors characteristic of conduct disorder fall into one of four categories: aggression to people and animals, destruction of property, deceitfulness or theft, or serious violation of rules. The pattern of antisocial behavior continues into adulthood. (Criterion C). Individuals with antisocial personality disorder fail to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviour. They may repeatedly perform acts that are grounds for arrest (whether they are arrested or not), such as destroying property, harassing others, stealing, or pursuing illegal occupations. Persons with this disorder disregard the wishes, rights, or feelings of others. (Criterion Al). They are frequently deceitful and manipulative in order to gain personal profit or pleasure (to obtain money, sex, or power) They may repeatedly lie, use an alias, con others, or malinger. (Criterion A2). A pattern of impulsivity may be manifested by a failure to plan ahead. Decisions are made on the spur of the moment, without forethought and without consideration for the consequences to self or others; this may lead to sudden changes of jobs, residences, or relationships. (Criterion A3). Individuals with antisocial personality disorder tend to be irritable and aggressive and may repeatedly get into physical fights or commit acts of physical assault (including spouse beating or child beating)(Aggressive acts that are required to defend oneself or someone else are not considered to be evidence for this item.) (Criterion A4). These individuals also display a reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others This may be evidenced in their driving behaviour (recurrent speeding, driving while intoxicated, multiple accidents). They may engage in sexual behavior or substance use that has a high risk for harmful consequences. They may neglect or fail to care for a child in a way that puts the child in danger. (Criterion A5). Individuals with antisocial personality disorder also tend to be consistently and extremely irresponsible. Irresponsible work behavior may be indicated by signifiant periods of unemployment despite available job opportunities, or by abandonment of several jobs without a realistic plan for getting another job. There may also be a pattern of repeated absences from work that are not explained by illness either in themselves or in their family. Financial irresponsibility is indicated by acts such as defaulting on debts, failing to provide child support, or failing to support other dependents on a regular basis. (Criterion A6). Individuals with antisocial personality disorder show little remorse for the consequences of their acts They may be indifferent to, or provide a superficial rationalisation for, having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from someone (“life's unfair," "losers deserve to lose"). These individuals may blame the victims for being foolish, helpless, or deserving their fate ("he had it coming anyway"); they may minimize the harmful consequences of their actions; or they may simply indicate complete indifference. They generally fail to compensate or make amends for their behavior. They may believe that everyone is out to "help number one" and that one should stop at nothing to avoid being pushed around. (Criterion A7). The antisocial behavior must not occur exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (Criterion D).
Thank you for making this video, I see a lot of people hating on people with ASPD and I can understand because some have gone through a lot of trauma because of people with ASPD but it’s also important to know that not all people are the same. It can be harmful to categorise people into one bubble (saying they are evil or bad people) because they have the same mental illness.
100%. I don't hate disabled people because my disabled mother was abusive. I know it's not always that easy, but trauma is not an excuse to discriminate.
@@brittbate13 omg same here. Its just traits for me rn (i think im still to young to be fully dx so my therapist said traits) and im pretty sure my birth mom has bpd. I get told i act a LOT like here even though i definitely dont.
A thoughtful, sensitive contribution to public perceptions, thanks. A caveat would be that DID is an additional factor here, and as it's not well understood, this might not be typical of ASPD. But that should also remind us that no-one is 'typical', we're all more than a subset of symptoms. The most important point in my view, is that empathy (again a broad term covering a set of neurological mechanisms not properly understood) isn't required for acting with compassion. We can recognise suffering and want to be kind, without experiencing another's suffering. For example reading about a famine in a far away place won't trigger the sort of neurological responses which seeing a loved one starving will in a neurotypical person, because our neurobiology evolved in an 'up close and personal' tribal setting, and is triggered more strongly in those circs. And with a bias towards those sharing our genes. But we can still care about the impending famine in the Yemen and want to help strangers we'll never meet. We just don't don't 'feel it' in the same gut way, and it takes more of a conscious effort to act. Similar to what FaceClaim is saying here. We can consciously adjust.
was doing my "should I follow this person" test on your channel and I clicked on this video afraid of what i'd find bc this is usually where people reveal themselves to secretly be bigots. Cannot tell you how relieved I am that this is actually a good video
Hmm I’m not sure comparing alter with ASPD to a single personality with ASPD fully works. Committing multiple offences including violation of the rights of others and not showing remorse is *part* of the diagnosis, so it’s not just stigma, if you haven’t done that, you don’t have ASPD.
@@ginah8995 It is in the DSM-V. One of the diagnostic criteria is to have troubled behaviour in the childhood so I don't see this alter to qualify really.
@@arirad3467 No ofc not but it is a pattern of behaviour usually present since childhood. It is not as easy to get the ASPD diagnosis as just saying it...
@@ginah8995 I’m a student doctor, I have done 1 year placed weekly in psychiatric units and 2 months placed solidly in a child and adolescent psychiatric intensive care unit, where forensic cases of people with developing personality disorders, such as ASPD, are commonly seen. I also have a first class degree in Psychology and Neuroscience, have done a Neuropsychology research fellowship, and was awarded an academic prize for a Psychology research project that I wrote about LGBT mental health and minority stress. What about you? This discussion just feels very theoretical to me. As in, people who tbf have read a lot of psychology, understand developmental psychology, empathy, motivational drivers of behaviour etc and then just talk about how unfair the stigma is against people who’s PD is driven by these factors. But it’s clear to me that this is coming from the perspective of those who have never worked in acute psychiatric settings. Even when you work in that environment and approach issues from a clinical psychology viewpoint it’s a still different ballgame. Real life is messy. You don’t need all of the symptoms for every disorder, but diagnostic criteria are prescriptive, and that is one of the criteria for ASPD. For something to be a PD, it must to be persistent and pervasive - so no, stealing a small amount of money once would not satisfy this criteria. ASPD and sociopathic traits have an overlap - this may be where the confusion is coming from. But ASPD is a specific thing, and denying how people with this condition interact with the world and cause harm to others is disingenuous.
@@arirad3467 did I say I believed that? I just said the offences had to violate the rights of others, which is true. Most criminal offences involve violation of the rights of others. The drive to offend and the lack of remorse is what is specific to ASPD. For example, a drug addict may steal to fund their addiction, and on some level might feel some remorse for this. Often, when people become sober, these sort of harmful, more selfish and manipulative behaviours subside and they may feel guilt about their past behaviour and make amends. Conversely, someone with ASPD may steal purely for the thrill of it, because they want what someone else has, just because “why not?”, and won’t ever feel true remorse for that action. In both examples the person in question has violated the rights of others to security and safety through theft, but the reasons for doing it, the capacity for remorse and the likelihood of reoffending are distinct. Someone who doesn’t have ASPD but does have psychopathic traits may be less likely to commit a crime like theft that violates the right of others because they think the consequences would not be worth it, don’t get a thrill from it, they recognise the benefit derived from pro-social behaviour etc. They probably could violate the rights of others and feel no remorse, but because they don’t have this drive to regularly commit those offences, they don’t have ASPD. Hope this helps :)
look forward to watching this my dad had "aspd tendencies" so it colors my view sometimes but im also aware that not everyone is the degree he was and also he never sought treatment and he also liked hurting others not just didn't care about things. I try not to let it color my views too much but I'd be lying if i said i was always successful
watched it now i have similar issues with empathy i have a hard time feeling what people are feeling but i have a lot of compassion and don't want people to suffer it was a great interview it gave me some insight into aspd it was brave of your guest to share i know it's still stigmatized
@@pupsystem127 that's similar to how I feel. It's hard for me to understand what extent of it is normal or not tho. Guess that's what medical professionals are for lol
Loved this video, it is definitely needed to have real information about mental illnesses (not like K.M). I would really like to see more videos like this one.
great great video- i think one of the best things i learned were the differences btween cognitive empathy and affective empathy. you dont need to feel the same things people feel to still be understanding and empathetic 💗 love u vangelina
Okay, I’ve been reading the comments here Skov and I hope you are too. I know your audience can be on the “young” side so I hope maybe you might talk about the dangers that someone with this disorder can pose. I’m aware it’s a spectrum and “not all.” However, the danger some people with his disorder can pose is so great it might be best to use some words of caution. Even though it may just be a few on the horror end of the spectrum those few might be very charming and more of these videos may equate them to misunderstood teddy bears. They are not. I have personal knowledge that they are not!
I have ASPD and I'm glad people are giving us a chance to explain that we aren't scary by default. I appreciate both of you for calling out the sensationalists
Thanks for doing this interview. I watched one on special books for special kids and it was good. I’m not sure if I’m right but did this system used to have a RUclips with a girlfriend who also had similar issues? They did a few videos and she made a video about it? Or is this someone else?
Great video! TBH I also had this perception that I never bothered to challenge, so I'm happy I could hear someone w/ ASPD talk about their experience. Not sure how helpful it will be, but I have a mix of bpd and npd so I also need some strong stimuli from time to time. I like to play video games - especially fps, postapo and horror.
I was super ableist for a while because my perception was also altered from books and movies. Reading about people's experiences with this disorder is so eye-opening and I really appreciate this interview. I'm autistic and I also have low empathy. Compassion is just as genuine and beautiful.
This is very interesting! As a system with an ASPD alter (well, at least he claimed to be a "high functioning sociopath" in the show he was in (he's a fictive) don't know how well that translates irl) these things are important and need to be said. Thank you for helping provide a platform for people to speak on these issues. On another note- how might one get an interview with you? XD
I really enjoy getting more information about disorders from the folks who have them, though if they're going to be a regular thing I'd really like something to look at other than two stagnant pictures. Great to listen to though!
really nice video!! i already knew that you know.... people with personality disorders aren't Evil (TM)..... 🙄 but this interview helped me get a bit of a better understanding of the specifics of aspd! thank you so much for that!! as an adhder myself, i can kinda relate to feeling bored a lot of the time xD although for me i think it leans more towards a frustrated kind of boredom, rather than an empty kind of boredom i guess i wish edith and the rest of her system a lot of luck with therapy and treatment etc and of course a lovely day!! ^_^
I liked this video. Have you ever thought about doing one on bipolar disorder? I think that it's VERY misunderstood. Too many people think that we're crazy.
It would be great if you did videos interviewing folks with other types of mental health conditions, too. Lauren on the Living Well with Schizophrenia channel does fantastic content and would make a great collab for you.
Initially thought "hell nah" and then thought "yeah, i know Zan agrees" people with ASPD aren't gross and evil! Edit: case in point: Edith.... adorable and perfect 🥰
Also! I'm definitely not a mental health professional, but i think ASPD could be a trauma response, because people may learn that showing emotion can create a dangerous environment with emotionally abusive/neglectful parents/guardians etc...
Haven't watched yet, but this topic hits close to home because I was so attached to Kati as a teen/young adult and then was so so so upset by her conduct with Shane
this is a very good and validating video but i think it was extremely funny how i got bored halfway through and had to find something else to do. but seriously though thank you, interviews or essays like this are really rare and it always feels so nice when i see one 💚
My cousin has autism and ASPD. He’s not a murderer. He struggles to socialise. He struggles to act calmly and rationally. Yes he enjoys doing things that thrill him or give you adrenaline. But he’s not scary, he’s funny and loveable... not crazy.
It seems like edith just needs some good adrenaline junky activities. Do those things (rock climbing, rollercoasters, intense hikes, horror/action movies, etc.) actually help, or am I just completely missing the mark? ~just trying to learn~
Learning about this more is great however the comment “Some people confuse once you understand you are just magically able to do it all the time or something”. As an autistic person, who is listed as 3-4 semi verbal, learning more about my autism I cannot suddenly do things, I can’t speak to people because I know why its such a problem. I can’t go outside because I know why its an issue. Plus autism often doesn’t allow us to move past certain thing, so that just felt like a really not okay thing to say, that shouldn’t be put out there because its harmful. It’s important to explain more about ASPD but giving out incorrect information on other mental disabilities is not how it should be done.
Unfortunately this interview did nothing to break the stigma of ASPD... What I heard in this interview was a person describing the following: -I am bored all of the time so I find a small amount of joy in risk taking behaviours and watching other take risks, in the hopes there is a violent outcome, which is a reason I enjoy violent movies. -I can understand emotions and emotional states, but it's hard work so I sort of don't try. -I don't love my cat. But don't worry, even though I enjoy violence, I won't hurt the cat. -I like to waste my therapists time, it's really fun to waste their time. -I am not evil - but three minutes ago I literally tell you I am a compulsive liar. -Manipulative behaviour comes from being bored, but the only thing that interests me is risk and violence, so if you keep me interested I won't manipulate you. But to keep me interested you'll need some of that risk and violence. -Listen to me nervously giggle in a cute way while I tell you how bored I am and how I love taking risks, because that's not creepy at all. Did not expect to come out of the interview with prejudices I didn't have before listening. Ooops.
Oh yeah that would be amazing! I think u have the audience for it too since so many of us are here from the DID drama. I think what would be cool would be some real talk about cptsd and the cptsd side of DID?
How is aspd different than npd? Would you interview someone with npd? I’m in a support group and many members have been abused by people with “npd”. Most of the members claim people with npd are evil, hopeless and all of them are abusive etc. I’m assuming that’s a stigma, but I’d be really curious to hear what npd is like from someone who has it.
They are completely different disorders. The criteria is separate for both. I know less about npd because it can be triggering for me to delve into that disorder much but i do know the road to dx is different between the two. For aspd you have to have certain criteria from the time you are 15 years old and before that have conduct disorder (i believe thats what its called). As far i know thats not the case for npd.
Hey sorry for the late comment but if you want more info on the differences between aspd and npd I suggest checking out Kanika Batra’s channel. She has both disorders and sums it up pretty well for outsiders
Thank you so much for raising awareness. The stigma needs to stop and the only way that will happen is by brave people willing to speak out and talk about it. Knowledge and education is everything, fingers crossed everyone else is willing to learn 😊
I think interviews like this would not only be very interesting but also informative. The format was fine also, though I'm not a stickler for things like that. Personally I love psychology and sociology.
Honestly the "like to see them struggle a bit" part doesn't sound harsh to me. It sounds like a variation on doing some like petty shit just to annoy someone who annoys you? Hearing about learning empathy was really cool honestly. It's never really occurred to me that it could be a learned skill, but the differentiating between empathy and compassion made it make a ton more sense.
I just came here from the big Alizee Yeezy’s channel and I wanted to say that I really appreciate this topic, these kinds of mental illnesses need to be destigmatised, mental illnesses in general need to be destigmatised, but especially these kinds of disorders, which have been stigmatised the most
ASPD is a spectrum. The way I imagine it is psychopaths are at the extreme end of the spectrum and they feel no empathy or emotions. Right next to that is sociopaths they feel some emotions but still not much. That doesn’t make any of them dangerous though. Not all of them are aggressive or manipulative. A lot of them can function normally in society as descent people. so basically everyone who is a psychopath or sociopath has ASPD but not everyone with ASPD is a psychopath or sociopath. (If someone doesn’t have ASPD don’t label them as such point blank end of story)
Ah.. My brother has ASPD and he’s a monster. Not something I video about, but I’m never going to get close to anyone who has the diagnosis, It’s my history. My bias, but I’m going to always keep my distance.
Your brother may be an unpleasant person but that doesn't make any other person with the same disorder as him unpleasant because of a shared diagnosis.
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Massive thank you for joining me today for this interview twitter.com/theking_potato
I'd love a series where you interview people society deem "dangerous" psychologically
This could make for an amazing podcast
With caution it would be interesting.
Anthony Padilla does this.
@@danarollings9553 I'm aware, I just really enjoy vangelina. And variety in interviewers is always nice.
@@badwolfXIII Fair enough.
Oh look, it’s the hill I’m willing to die on.
Inspired by you
@@VangelinaSkov You are cordially invited to come and camp on this hill with me. We can roast marshmallows.
Same..
Completely different type of personality disorder - but I'd love an interview with someone with schizotypal personality disorder specifically. There really isn't much out there.
Would love to do this as well
It would be good to have stuff on peoples who have multiple mental/personality disorders as well as ptsd and such. Since it’s usually a mix
My psychiatrist told me I have it ...
@@FrancisFabricates, I have ptsd myself, and a few disorders as well, if anyone’s interested in interviewing me.
I have Schizotypal personality disorder
Short answer, no. Long answer, hell no.
This video is the long answer haha
New stereotype for people with ASPD: They are cats.
I guess that explains why so many people hate cats. 😭 personally I like dogs more but cats are cool too
My brain can't form sentences today so all I'm gonna say is: Kati Morton is ew. Shane Dawson is obviously ew aswell. Great video/ interview
wow I could never put it so eloquently, what a powerful word to describe them
Interv-ew
I read the thumbnail as asking if Kati Morton and Shane Dawson were evil, and I was like ...yeah, kinda.
As someone with a high amount of empathy, let me just say, it's incredibly exhausting. Especially during a time where all you see on the news is about how people are suffering. Compassion, in my opinion, is just as important, if not more.
I didn't realise that ASPD and sociopathy were the same thing. Thanks for this video, it's great that you're bringing awareness. Xx
ASPD is more like the umbrella term that sociopathy falls under. Every sociopath has ASPD but not everyone with ASPD is a sociopath
@@starletveracity7413 really? Huh. The more you know
@@starletveracity7413 actually ASPD is a spectrum. The way I imagine it is psychopaths are at the extreme end of the spectrum and they feel no empathy or emotions. Right next to that is sociopaths they feel some emotions but still not much. That doesn’t make any of them dangerous though. Not all of them are aggressive or manipulative. A lot of them can function normally in society as descent people.
@@brittbate13 I know. That doesn’t contradict what I said, it’s just a more detailed explanation. At the time I cba to write more than what I did but I think your comment will be useful for others to read
@@starletveracity7413 it doesn’t contradict what you said at all. I slightly misread your comment and thought you said not all sociopaths has ASPD. yet i read the sentence after that correctly, not completely sure how that made since in my brain but anyways. Yes mine is a more detailed comment and should help people who need to fill in any missing blanks.
Thank you for this! Do you plan on seeking out more people of this genre to interview? Your interviewing style is so relaxed and communicative.
Yeah I’d like to keep doing these ☺️
@@VangelinaSkov I'd love that.
Yet again, fantastic content. Appreciate you continuing to be an advocate for facts & understanding.
Oh thank you 🥺
Cats will mess up all your stuff if you don't give them enough attention or things to do. That actually sounds like a good analogy for everything she described.
I'm an autistic person with very low and unsteady empathy, and I wanted to comment on the thing the lovely interviewee mentions about "some people confuse it with autism, like once you understand you're just magically able to do it all the time", I obviously can't speak for everyone, but this DEFINITELY isn't how it works for myself. Pretty rarely will I experience empathy 100% automatically and reflexively like I've heard empathetic people do, and when I do it's usually only for animals and occasionally children. For me it's usually a process I have to go through semi-manually step by step to approximate what an empathetic person might be feeling. Sometimes it's easier than others, but it's more like muscle memory than like magic. Like my brain might automatically start the process thinking "Oh, that person is hurt, we're supposed to feel bad about that, we should feel bad about it because it would suck to hurt like that, think about feeling that type of pain, okay good empathy simulation complete, we should figure out how to help keeping that feeling in mind" and that might take as little as a few seconds but it's still step by step and conscious. Other times I'll be standing there, and feel like I don't fit in a situation and I'm doing something wrong or missing context and I don't figure out for a minute "Oh, wait, they're using empathy, shit, I've gotta do that". Other times it's super hard to do or I just CAN'T do it, and I have to try to just fake it and that can be easy or hard too, and other times I don't care, or I don't want to, or empathy is super inconvenient or I actively don't think someone deserves empathy, and honestly it's super hard to force myself to try or pretend in those situations, and sometimes I just don't bother.
Empathized (no irony intended) with a lot of what they were saying, and I just wanted to put it out there, it doesn't always come easy to us Auties either, and it's definitely always draining for me personally, so I'm sure at least some other Auties also know what you mean. I do suspect though that some peeps HAVE pretty average levels of empathy and just don't know how to implement it, or don't get how others communicate suffering/discomfort, or have a hard time picking up on it, so once they figure it out they have a bit of an easier time with it. And I do get being frustrated with people not understanding how hard it can be to have to do empathy manually.
Depressed and not really interested in any other uploads but you got me with this one
Oh no I hope you’re doing alright x
Thank you, just having a rough day today
@@tinyprettymoon please stay safe and strong. Sending virtual hugs
is it just me or does having BPD give you a soft spot for all other personality disorders. like, we can't help it. we were traumatically built like this.
It’s not just you. i don’t want to believe in the stigma about NPD but I’ve never met, seen, or heard of anything different. i am always willing to listen and understand but I haven’t had the opportunity to yet. i hope i find someone in real life or the internet who can say they don’t fit the stigma soon. Though i don’t think they are evil monsters like most people do either. I understand the disorder and why they developed it and it makes me sad. I understand why they have to symptoms they do. I understand why they manipulate. I don’t think it justifies their behavior but i do understand. Its all very sad :(
@@brittbate13 hey sorry for the late comment but I suggest Kanika Batra. She has aspd and npd but is very self aware, accountable, and compassion. She also understands why some people may be hesitant towards people with aspd or npd if they have been abused by sociopaths or narcissists
The Diagnostic Criteria according to the DSM 5
A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others.
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent
work behavior or honor financial obligations.
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt,
mistreated, or stolen from another.
B. The individual is at least age 18 years.
C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.
Diagnostic Features
The essential feature of antisocial personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy, or dyssocial personality disorder. Because deceit and manipulation are central features of antisocial personality disorder, it may be especially helpful to integrate information acquired from systematic clinical assessment with information collected from collateral sources.
For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be at least age 18 years (Criterion B)
and must have had a history of some symptoms of conduct disorder before age 15 years.
Conduct disorder involves a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated.
The specific behaviors characteristic of conduct disorder fall into one of four categories: aggression to people and animals,
destruction of property, deceitfulness or theft, or serious violation of rules. The pattern of antisocial behavior continues into adulthood. (Criterion C).
Individuals with antisocial personality disorder fail to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviour. They may repeatedly perform acts that are grounds for arrest (whether they are arrested or not), such as destroying property, harassing others, stealing, or pursuing illegal occupations. Persons with this disorder disregard the wishes, rights, or feelings of others.
(Criterion Al).
They are frequently deceitful and manipulative in order to gain personal profit or pleasure (to obtain money, sex, or power) They may repeatedly lie, use an alias, con others, or malinger. (Criterion A2).
A pattern of impulsivity may be manifested by a failure to plan ahead. Decisions are made on the spur of the moment, without forethought and without consideration for the consequences to self or others; this may lead to sudden changes of jobs, residences, or relationships.
(Criterion A3).
Individuals with antisocial personality disorder tend to be irritable and aggressive and may repeatedly get into physical fights or commit acts of physical assault (including spouse beating or child beating)(Aggressive acts that are required to defend oneself or someone else are not considered to be evidence for this item.) (Criterion A4).
These individuals also display a reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others This may be evidenced in their driving behaviour (recurrent speeding, driving while intoxicated, multiple accidents). They may engage in sexual behavior or substance use that has a high risk for harmful consequences. They may neglect or fail to care for a child in a way that puts the child in danger. (Criterion A5).
Individuals with antisocial personality disorder also tend to be consistently and extremely irresponsible. Irresponsible work behavior may be indicated by signifiant periods of unemployment despite available job opportunities, or by abandonment of several jobs without a realistic plan for getting another job. There may also be a pattern of repeated absences from work that are not explained by illness either in themselves or in their family. Financial irresponsibility is indicated by acts such as defaulting on debts, failing to provide child support, or failing to support other dependents on a regular basis. (Criterion A6).
Individuals with antisocial personality disorder show little remorse for the consequences of their acts They may be indifferent to, or provide a superficial rationalisation for, having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from someone (“life's unfair," "losers deserve to lose"). These individuals may blame the victims for being foolish, helpless, or deserving their fate ("he had it coming anyway"); they may minimize the harmful consequences of their actions; or they may simply indicate complete indifference.
They generally fail to compensate or make amends for their behavior. They may believe that everyone is out to "help number one" and that one should stop at nothing to avoid being pushed around. (Criterion A7).
The antisocial behavior must not occur exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (Criterion D).
Thank you for making this video, I see a lot of people hating on people with ASPD and I can understand because some have gone through a lot of trauma because of people with ASPD but it’s also important to know that not all people are the same. It can be harmful to categorise people into one bubble (saying they are evil or bad people) because they have the same mental illness.
100%. I don't hate disabled people because my disabled mother was abusive. I know it's not always that easy, but trauma is not an excuse to discriminate.
My mom has BPD and I don’t judge that disorder based on my experience. I have BPD as well and me and my mom are nothing a like.
@@brittbate13 omg same here. Its just traits for me rn (i think im still to young to be fully dx so my therapist said traits) and im pretty sure my birth mom has bpd. I get told i act a LOT like here even though i definitely dont.
@@saltydinonuggies1841 well BPD can be genetic.
Everytime I try and say that aspd is not evil I get absolutely drowened by ppl who think I am 'defending abusers'
A thoughtful, sensitive contribution to public perceptions, thanks. A caveat would be that DID is an additional factor here, and as it's not well understood, this might not be typical of ASPD. But that should also remind us that no-one is 'typical', we're all more than a subset of symptoms.
The most important point in my view, is that empathy (again a broad term covering a set of neurological mechanisms not properly understood) isn't required for acting with compassion. We can recognise suffering and want to be kind, without experiencing another's suffering.
For example reading about a famine in a far away place won't trigger the sort of neurological responses which seeing a loved one starving will in a neurotypical person, because our neurobiology evolved in an 'up close and personal' tribal setting, and is triggered more strongly in those circs. And with a bias towards those sharing our genes. But we can still care about the impending famine in the Yemen and want to help strangers we'll never meet. We just don't don't 'feel it' in the same gut way, and it takes more of a conscious effort to act. Similar to what FaceClaim is saying here. We can consciously adjust.
I think this is my favorite video of yours’. They’ve all been great, but this one in particular was super super interesting.
was doing my "should I follow this person" test on your channel and I clicked on this video afraid of what i'd find bc this is usually where people reveal themselves to secretly be bigots. Cannot tell you how relieved I am that this is actually a good video
Appreciate you have that standard before subscribing to someone 💖
Uhm... this is kinda amazing not to mention necessary and fascinating. Real mental health advocate over here, people! GG&WP
Hmm I’m not sure comparing alter with ASPD to a single personality with ASPD fully works. Committing multiple offences including violation of the rights of others and not showing remorse is *part* of the diagnosis, so it’s not just stigma, if you haven’t done that, you don’t have ASPD.
What knowledge or experience do you have to back up this thought?
@@ginah8995 It is in the DSM-V. One of the diagnostic criteria is to have troubled behaviour in the childhood so I don't see this alter to qualify really.
@@arirad3467 No ofc not but it is a pattern of behaviour usually present since childhood. It is not as easy to get the ASPD diagnosis as just saying it...
@@ginah8995 I’m a student doctor, I have done 1 year placed weekly in psychiatric units and 2 months placed solidly in a child and adolescent psychiatric intensive care unit, where forensic cases of people with developing personality disorders, such as ASPD, are commonly seen. I also have a first class degree in Psychology and Neuroscience, have done a Neuropsychology research fellowship, and was awarded an academic prize for a Psychology research project that I wrote about LGBT mental health and minority stress. What about you?
This discussion just feels very theoretical to me. As in, people who tbf have read a lot of psychology, understand developmental psychology, empathy, motivational drivers of behaviour etc and then just talk about how unfair the stigma is against people who’s PD is driven by these factors. But it’s clear to me that this is coming from the perspective of those who have never worked in acute psychiatric settings. Even when you work in that environment and approach issues from a clinical psychology viewpoint it’s a still different ballgame. Real life is messy.
You don’t need all of the symptoms for every disorder, but diagnostic criteria are prescriptive, and that is one of the criteria for ASPD. For something to be a PD, it must to be persistent and pervasive - so no, stealing a small amount of money once would not satisfy this criteria.
ASPD and sociopathic traits have an overlap - this may be where the confusion is coming from. But ASPD is a specific thing, and denying how people with this condition interact with the world and cause harm to others is disingenuous.
@@arirad3467 did I say I believed that? I just said the offences had to violate the rights of others, which is true. Most criminal offences involve violation of the rights of others. The drive to offend and the lack of remorse is what is specific to ASPD.
For example, a drug addict may steal to fund their addiction, and on some level might feel some remorse for this. Often, when people become sober, these sort of harmful, more selfish and manipulative behaviours subside and they may feel guilt about their past behaviour and make amends. Conversely, someone with ASPD may steal purely for the thrill of it, because they want what someone else has, just because “why not?”, and won’t ever feel true remorse for that action.
In both examples the person in question has violated the rights of others to security and safety through theft, but the reasons for doing it, the capacity for remorse and the likelihood of reoffending are distinct.
Someone who doesn’t have ASPD but does have psychopathic traits may be less likely to commit a crime like theft that violates the right of others because they think the consequences would not be worth it, don’t get a thrill from it, they recognise the benefit derived from pro-social behaviour etc. They probably could violate the rights of others and feel no remorse, but because they don’t have this drive to regularly commit those offences, they don’t have ASPD.
Hope this helps :)
look forward to watching this my dad had "aspd tendencies" so it colors my view sometimes but im also aware that not everyone is the degree he was and also he never sought treatment and he also liked hurting others not just didn't care about things. I try not to let it color my views too much but I'd be lying if i said i was always successful
watched it now i have similar issues with empathy i have a hard time feeling what people are feeling but i have a lot of compassion and don't want people to suffer it was a great interview it gave me some insight into aspd it was brave of your guest to share i know it's still stigmatized
@@pupsystem127 that's similar to how I feel. It's hard for me to understand what extent of it is normal or not tho. Guess that's what medical professionals are for lol
Loved this video, it is definitely needed to have real information about mental illnesses (not like K.M). I would really like to see more videos like this one.
great great video- i think one of the best things i learned were the differences btween cognitive empathy and affective empathy. you dont need to feel the same things people feel to still be understanding and empathetic 💗 love u vangelina
Okay, I’ve been reading the comments here Skov and I hope you are too. I know your audience can be on the “young” side so I hope maybe you might talk about the dangers that someone with this disorder can pose. I’m aware it’s a spectrum and “not all.” However, the danger some people with his disorder can pose is so great it might be best to use some words of caution. Even though it may just be a few on the horror end of the spectrum those few might be very charming and more of these videos may equate them to misunderstood teddy bears. They are not. I have personal knowledge that they are not!
Thank you for allowing for a place for this kind of conversation. This is so important.
I just finished a 14hr night shift but I MUST WATCH NOW
Go to sleeeeeep!
@@VangelinaSkov it's ok I will. But Paramedics takes some winding down from! And you are a massive help xx
I have ASPD and I'm glad people are giving us a chance to explain that we aren't scary by default. I appreciate both of you for calling out the sensationalists
Thanks for doing this interview. I watched one on special books for special kids and it was good.
I’m not sure if I’m right but did this system used to have a RUclips with a girlfriend who also had similar issues? They did a few videos and she made a video about it? Or is this someone else?
Great video! TBH I also had this perception that I never bothered to challenge, so I'm happy I could hear someone w/ ASPD talk about their experience.
Not sure how helpful it will be, but I have a mix of bpd and npd so I also need some strong stimuli from time to time. I like to play video games - especially fps, postapo and horror.
I'm loving how you look in this video. I love how your lipstick matches your hair.
I was super ableist for a while because my perception was also altered from books and movies. Reading about people's experiences with this disorder is so eye-opening and I really appreciate this interview. I'm autistic and I also have low empathy. Compassion is just as genuine and beautiful.
It was a really interesting video! I really enjoyed it, thank you 😊
I so needed this today 💕
This is very interesting! As a system with an ASPD alter (well, at least he claimed to be a "high functioning sociopath" in the show he was in (he's a fictive) don't know how well that translates irl) these things are important and need to be said. Thank you for helping provide a platform for people to speak on these issues. On another note- how might one get an interview with you? XD
Does that show happen to be Sherlock?
@@letterborneVods lmao yes. hes a handful
@@thedestroyasystem I can imagine
Thank you so much for this video and for respecting the topic and your guest. Wonderful video.
I really enjoy getting more information about disorders from the folks who have them, though if they're going to be a regular thing I'd really like something to look at other than two stagnant pictures. Great to listen to though!
Your hair looks so good!!!
Thanks!
I really enjoyed this interview and it was eye opening to hear about empathy vs compassion. Big thank you to the both of you
really nice video!! i already knew that you know.... people with personality disorders aren't Evil (TM)..... 🙄
but this interview helped me get a bit of a better understanding of the specifics of aspd! thank you so much for that!!
as an adhder myself, i can kinda relate to feeling bored a lot of the time xD although for me i think it leans more towards a frustrated kind of boredom, rather than an empty kind of boredom i guess
i wish edith and the rest of her system a lot of luck with therapy and treatment etc and of course a lovely day!! ^_^
I liked this video. Have you ever thought about doing one on bipolar disorder? I think that it's VERY misunderstood. Too many people think that we're crazy.
This was really educational, thank you all for sharing! ^-^
Very interesting and informative interview
Love your hair today!
Thanks!
It would be great if you did videos interviewing folks with other types of mental health conditions, too. Lauren on the Living Well with Schizophrenia channel does fantastic content and would make a great collab for you.
Initially thought "hell nah" and then thought "yeah, i know Zan agrees" people with ASPD aren't gross and evil!
Edit: case in point: Edith.... adorable and perfect 🥰
Also! I'm definitely not a mental health professional, but i think ASPD could be a trauma response, because people may learn that showing emotion can create a dangerous environment with emotionally abusive/neglectful parents/guardians etc...
Haven't watched yet, but this topic hits close to home because I was so attached to Kati as a teen/young adult and then was so so so upset by her conduct with Shane
this is a very good and validating video but i think it was extremely funny how i got bored halfway through and had to find something else to do. but seriously though thank you, interviews or essays like this are really rare and it always feels so nice when i see one 💚
My cousin has autism and ASPD. He’s not a murderer. He struggles to socialise. He struggles to act calmly and rationally. Yes he enjoys doing things that thrill him or give you adrenaline. But he’s not scary, he’s funny and loveable... not crazy.
Thank you for taking to people with the issues instead of inviting on (certain) "experts"
It seems like edith just needs some good adrenaline junky activities. Do those things (rock climbing, rollercoasters, intense hikes, horror/action movies, etc.) actually help, or am I just completely missing the mark? ~just trying to learn~
Learning about this more is great however the comment “Some people confuse once you understand you are just magically able to do it all the time or something”. As an autistic person, who is listed as 3-4 semi verbal, learning more about my autism I cannot suddenly do things, I can’t speak to people because I know why its such a problem. I can’t go outside because I know why its an issue. Plus autism often doesn’t allow us to move past certain thing, so that just felt like a really not okay thing to say, that shouldn’t be put out there because its harmful. It’s important to explain more about ASPD but giving out incorrect information on other mental disabilities is not how it should be done.
Unfortunately this interview did nothing to break the stigma of ASPD... What I heard in this interview was a person describing the following:
-I am bored all of the time so I find a small amount of joy in risk taking behaviours and watching other take risks, in the hopes there is a violent outcome, which is a reason I enjoy violent movies.
-I can understand emotions and emotional states, but it's hard work so I sort of don't try.
-I don't love my cat. But don't worry, even though I enjoy violence, I won't hurt the cat.
-I like to waste my therapists time, it's really fun to waste their time.
-I am not evil - but three minutes ago I literally tell you I am a compulsive liar.
-Manipulative behaviour comes from being bored, but the only thing that interests me is risk and violence, so if you keep me interested I won't manipulate you. But to keep me interested you'll need some of that risk and violence.
-Listen to me nervously giggle in a cute way while I tell you how bored I am and how I love taking risks, because that's not creepy at all.
Did not expect to come out of the interview with prejudices I didn't have before listening. Ooops.
Yes I agree, this person seemed more awful as it went on
Oh yeah that would be amazing! I think u have the audience for it too since so many of us are here from the DID drama. I think what would be cool would be some real talk about cptsd and the cptsd side of DID?
How is aspd different than npd? Would you interview someone with npd? I’m in a support group and many members have been abused by people with “npd”. Most of the members claim people with npd are evil, hopeless and all of them are abusive etc. I’m assuming that’s a stigma, but I’d be really curious to hear what npd is like from someone who has it.
They are completely different disorders. The criteria is separate for both. I know less about npd because it can be triggering for me to delve into that disorder much but i do know the road to dx is different between the two. For aspd you have to have certain criteria from the time you are 15 years old and before that have conduct disorder (i believe thats what its called). As far i know thats not the case for npd.
Hey sorry for the late comment but if you want more info on the differences between aspd and npd I suggest checking out Kanika Batra’s channel. She has both disorders and sums it up pretty well for outsiders
@@alyssapinon9670 thanks I’ll check that out!
@@amyneu8078 no problem. Her channel is amazing and deserves more views. Tbh it’s my main source of learning about the disorders
Thank you so much for raising awareness. The stigma needs to stop and the only way that will happen is by brave people willing to speak out and talk about it. Knowledge and education is everything, fingers crossed everyone else is willing to learn 😊
This was really interesting and informative. I'd love to see more videos like this!
vange ur genuinely the best. always put a smile on my face and you’re super intelligent too
I love her hair so much
I'm finally here at a reasonable hour for once 😂😂😂😂
Nice one haha
Okay cool but next time interview someone thats not an alter maybe
Are you from or do you live in ireland. The way you say "whats the craic" suggests so :)
I’m Irish yeah but don’t live there atm
@@VangelinaSkov Cool! im irish aswell. you never loose the accent haha
this title and the first sentence in the description must have been painful to write. thank you both for this interview!
Some people with ASPD don’t have a too big of a problem with empathy and compassion and I think that’s worth talking about
Yesss! Even if they don’t have very strong emotional empathy they can have strong cognitive empathy
more videos like this would be awesome! i‘d really love to see that :)
I think interviews like this would not only be very interesting but also informative. The format was fine also, though I'm not a stickler for things like that. Personally I love psychology and sociology.
Thank you for doing videos like this
I thought ASPD was ASMR and I was very confused for like two seconds lol
Can you do more videos with her I really liked it!
Honestly the "like to see them struggle a bit" part doesn't sound harsh to me. It sounds like a variation on doing some like petty shit just to annoy someone who annoys you? Hearing about learning empathy was really cool honestly. It's never really occurred to me that it could be a learned skill, but the differentiating between empathy and compassion made it make a ton more sense.
Thank you, for showing the human side of mental disorders.
I just came here from the big Alizee Yeezy’s channel and I wanted to say that I really appreciate this topic, these kinds of mental illnesses need to be destigmatised, mental illnesses in general need to be destigmatised, but especially these kinds of disorders, which have been stigmatised the most
Eyy thanks for being here 🖤 and glad you liked the video, planning to do more on these sorts of disorders soon
@@VangelinaSkov I can’t wait😊💚
Having trouble figuring out your accent but I love ittt
59 seconds whew
Noice x
Fascinating video.
Having a diagnosis doesn't make you a psychiatrist tho
ASPD is a spectrum. The way I imagine it is psychopaths are at the extreme end of the spectrum and they feel no empathy or emotions. Right next to that is sociopaths they feel some emotions but still not much. That doesn’t make any of them dangerous though. Not all of them are aggressive or manipulative. A lot of them can function normally in society as descent people. so basically everyone who is a psychopath or sociopath has ASPD but not everyone with ASPD is a psychopath or sociopath. (If someone doesn’t have ASPD don’t label them as such point blank end of story)
Just so ya' know.... Sociopath = ASPD Same thing, updated name usage.
They’re definitely both reckless
Probably not but everything she says links with everything Shane has done. So maybe there's some truth to it.
I wonder how she deals with everything that she has.
just an algorithm boost comment for ya :)
Ah.. My brother has ASPD and he’s a monster. Not something I video about, but I’m never going to get close to anyone who has the diagnosis, It’s my history. My bias, but I’m going to always keep my distance.
So you’re ableist then lmao
@@lavenderdemons So I have memories of burying the animals my brother killed.
@@jimpyre5038 that doesn’t justify your ableism lmao.
@@lavenderdemons In fact... it absolutely does...
Your brother may be an unpleasant person but that doesn't make any other person with the same disorder as him unpleasant because of a shared diagnosis.