I hear you. The CEOs are not out of the woods….just yet. I feel the following to still be potentially on the table: Gross negligence: CEOs can be convicted of Gross Negligence if it happened as a result of their gross negligence. (I find it difficult to believe it’s not possible to prove this at some point - if not now, perhaps in future.) Fraud: Participating in (or having knowledge of) fraud is a criminal act on the part of the CEO. (This could be found at a later date as well.) Third Parties: Any third party not representing the government or other involved parties like Boeing corporate officers (but not excluding Boeing employers) may, if they are possessed of a desire to see the CEO punished can (and perhaps should) pursue civil litigation. As it is the case that people have died because of Boeing’s negligence, families of the deceased (for example) will likely win (I’m guessing they have a much better chance than, say, 90% of winning) a *large* sum of money from whatever Boeing CEO they believe was most at fault OR multiple CEOs or any other corporate officer for that matter - both current and former, who that the plaintiff(s) feel(s) also contributed to the way in which the company operated by means of fraud and negligence.
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f Would you employ an electrician who couldn't tell you which wire went where in a plug? This man is both showing a complete lack of respect for the senate hearing and making Boeing look dumb, that they have such a fool for a CEO.
I love how this guy talks about "accountable" or "responsible" as long as it's in abstract terms, but as soon as someone presses him with specifics... "Um, I wouldn't say that!"
Well you know the Board told Calhoun. You're not gone yet, so it would be a shame to see something happen to that goden parachute if you dont say the right things.
Unalive…. Is this the only phrase RUclips won’t take down? What now? They just had a self forever sleep? This latter statement won’t work, because I refuse to believe they magically passed on just as it became critical to hear from the whistle-blowers - it seems more likely (to me, and I’m only speaking/typing for myself here) that these guys were Vince Foster-ed BY someone.
I guess Dave knows this is his duty to sit there and soak up all these accusations and criticisms, he knows he’s going by the end of the year anyway and he also knows he’ll be rich enough to never have to work again. More importantly, he’ll be rich enough to hide somewhere discrete, if that’s what he wants. So, he can sit here and say things at the right moment knowing this is his job, that he’s sorry and heartbroken and Boeing should take all the blame, but not him personally of course. So that the next person can come in with a clean sheet and say none of that was anything to do with me. It was all Dave Calhoun’s fault and Dennis Muilenburgs fault. He’s not trying to help the Senate committee , actually probably the opposite, he just has to get through it that’s all. So just carry on with the Deniability, the Obfuscation, the Failure to remember, the I didn’t see that, the That wasn’t on my watch. When it’s all over, you can just swan off into the sunset, with all your millions made on the back of the deaths and misery of others less fortunate. How does he sleep at night ? I think the sad answer to that question is, probably quite well.
It would be interesting to see if when retired Calhoun only flys Airbus. I went of a maintenance chief who after leaving an airline, when flying with them would enquire the registration number on the aircraft on his sector. If he knew the aircraft had issues, he would delay to a service with an aircraft he knew was safe.
You are doing a service on two levels Maximus ! 1. Bringing this to our attention 2. Pointing out that DOING THE RIGHT THING should be beyond profits and politics !
Could not watch this circus! This is insulting for the dead people, this is insulting for Boeing engineers, this is insulting for crews, this is insulting for passengers, this is insulting for Senators and the Senate, and this is obviously insulting for America and the whole aviation world. I am infuriated...
Exactly, I guess we mostly feel the same, but what about relatives and friends of those deceased in the deadly crashes? Watching this will be devastating. Because as days go by, it looks more and more the case that profit was king, and safety came next. Cover-ups, instead of recognising the mistake at least after the first MCAS disaster. Shame on those responsible.
Sounds like the CEO is in denial or has no idea what's going on in his own company. He comes across as a very shady character side stepping direct questions.
Boeing aircraft are everywhere so "if it's Boeing I'm not going" won't work. But I can say that the 737 Max is on my list of "to be avoided wherever possible."
8:03 he's not spoken to any whistleblower, and now that Congress is asking him about this, he thinks it's a good idea. When you're responsible to establish a safety culture, it should occur to you it's a good Idea to listen to people who have found flaws in said culture so that you understand what to fix. How can he not have this on top of his agenda?
So this guy is being paid millions of dollars a year and: Does not know if billions of dollars paid out were insured. Neither does he know which amounts were deducted for tax. Neither does he know the amount paid to the court in that 'fine' arranged by a lawyer who now works for this man's lawyers. Neither had he thought it a good idea to speak to people telling him his aircraft are no longer safe. But he does now. I know less than this clown so can I get a job at Boeing as it seems the less you know the more you get paid?
All levels of Boeing management regardless of being upper, middle or lower levels should be scrutinized and validated about their competence and if any of them are left wanting and don't meet the most stringent qualities then there should be a lot of sackings.
It’s a sad state indeed. I’ve been quietly freaking out a little about flying after the counterfeit Titanium “revelation.” I’m not talking about put-putting around in a Piper - and I don’t claim this is necessarily or inherently a safer plane. The PA-28 was just more available to me. I meant the actual commercial flights I may have to take on Boeing equipment simply because I sometimes do not get options. :-/
3:33 Hearing a sitting senator talk about accountability is laughable The only possible non criminals in that room are sitting in the audience. Every single person on that panel needs their title, their investment portfolios, plus current board seats held listed as well.
Not just the CEO but the executive / board of directors culture. This affects a lot of companies where the social circles of the executive C levels are reinforcing the group think.
So true. I’ve seen it first hand, where the executive level types form a cliquish inner circle and act like they truly think they’re superior to everyone else. But in my experience, they’re often some of the least impressive people, especially if they happen to have Ivy League degrees. Although there are a few exceptions, most of these folks get where they are through hyper-ambition driven by inflated egos and self-centeredness.
Everyone wants to blame the CEO, and perhaps rightfully so, but I think the real problem is government officials, elected and otherwise, that are in the pocket of the corporation. Every US Senator, Congresscritter, DOJ, FAA, NTSB...in short, any government official tasked with investigation, and/or oversight, and/or prosecution of a corporation, or individuals within an industry should be banned from owning any stocks in, or related to, that industry, and from receiving any "gifts" or donations from same.
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f the us govt regardless of which administration is in power runs like the mafia. all the profits have to come up to them. that's why we have 99 year old mega rich politicians who stay in office for life. it was never supposed to be that way. but you k own what they say. absolute power corrupts absolutely
David Calhoun, ex GE, James McNerney, ex GE, Harry Stonecipher, ex GE. Company culture stems from when it was founded and is almost impossible to change from the top down. I suspect that they imported the GE top down, paramount cost control management culture into Boeing. Classic Theory "X" that stems from the 1890's when GE was founded. The move of the headquarters to Chicago and away from the engineers is a giant red flag. You cannot have a collaborative corporate culture when "management" and technology / production are geographically separated. Boeing will not be fixed until headquarters is moved back from Chicago. Boeing will also not be fixed until the managers start walking the production floor and the engineering offices.
The strange thing is, GE makes the world's best jet engines, while Boeing, well, let's just say the real problem is the infamous McDonnell Douglas merger - one need only look at how poorly McDonnell Douglas was doing before that merger. I would argue that Boeing does not really exist anymore, having ceased to exist at some point after the merger. The company that we see now, most likely is actually McDonnell Douglas, using the Boeing name. It's really weird with Mr. Calhoun, he did just fine at GE, and then something in him must have changed when he encountered the baneful influence of McDonnell Douglas. At this point, after how Mr. Calhoun's been handling his current job, it would be a crime to let him free.
Hey Max, lets go over this one more time….. MCAS was installed on 737max to counteract the tendency for the HUGE engine to cause nose lift in flight, is this not correct?? Why can no one see the problem? The plane itself is telling engineers its not happy with this combo…. GET RID OF THE 737! My God, STOP the BS!!
The fact they needed to counteract that tendency wasn't so much because it was unsafe for the nose to point up slightly (it wasn't), it was because Boeing had promised the airlines that the MAX would have identical flying characteristics as the predecessor, the 737NG, and that therefore no (expensive) simulator training would be needed for existing 737NG pilots to fly the MAX. The problem also wasn't so much that they had a system like MCAS to counteract that tendency, it was the way in which they implemented it: it depended on a single sensor instead of the two sensors normally used for systems that critical. This was, again, done to avoid simulator training for pilots. Because it depended on a single sensor, a failure or malfunction of that sensor could (and did) have disastrous consequences.
Trainwreck? We all knew exactly what was going to happen before it happened! There are only three questions left unanswered: 1. Is Boeing going to improve on quality control? 2. Will individuals at Boeing be prosecuted? 3. How much have all these issues actually cost Boeing if most of their payments were from insurance policies and write-offs?
Calhoun was extremely disengenuous in denying that his team knew the dangers of the MCAS design. But of course he HAS to say that in order to avoid incriminating leaders of the company in future criminal cases, which their continued obstinance may make happen. The very fact that MCAS relied on a SINGLE sensor to make decisions, instead of the standard practice in aviation and other critical engineering to have multiple critical sensors, and the design practice of systems to "fail gracefully", means that any engineer that is competent knew that the Boeing control system was a crash waiting to happen. If they really DIDN'T know that, then they no longer employ competent engineers.
Take EVERY PENNY AND EVERY SHARE from EVERY EXECUTIVE and return it to the company, earmark it for safety improvements and salary raises for LINE WORKERS AND ENGINEERS. Maybe that will start to improve things. Tie engineer and line worker BONUSES to safety improvements and quality.
Just another example of the love affair between fortune 500 companys, and the federal government, the more things change the more they remain the same.
I am surprised that the merger is being brought up as an excuse for the Max crashes. The merger was more than 20 years ago and MD in St. Louis built fighter and trainer aircraft, not airlines. The CEO'S of MD were always Engineers not sure about the Boeing CEO's. The point being Boeing needs to stand up and take responsibility for it's actions.
2:38 He should personally be held accountable. As a leader, he's responsible for setting the stage in a way safety related findings is something every employee is proud of and rewarded for.
You know, the starliner is sitting at the ISS waiting for approval to return to earth. Why not put a passenger in the dragon capsule going up to give them a ride home and let Mr. Calhoun ride his own product back down>? I think he would be the perfect first person to ride it back to the surface?
These decisions were made under a former CEO however that’s not to say Calhoun should have had these individuals , who intentionally hid the MCAS from the FAA and pilots prosecuted. This includes certain individuals from Southwest airlines who pressured Boeing to install this system to avoid pilot training which would slow the certification of the Max.
I can’t believe that this guy is still the CEO. Boeings business is being badly affected. But there are still significant questions about the current situation with the Max at the very least .
It's not funny, but there's very critical defects that are being ignored by the rank and file. This is happening currently, even with all the investigations. Part of the reason is the fear of being removed from the gene pool. But what I'm talking about happened prior to Mr Barnett.
A CEO who doesn't know how much his company was fined and we are talking billions, or if they were insured and if it was tax deductible ... WTF does he know?????
Anyone who's knowledge about the aviation industry knows that when Boeing and Mcdonald Douglas merged the engineers were taken out of the corporate loop and were replaced by profit driven college educated corporate C-suite types. I have friends that have worked their entire lives with Boeing and I lived and worked at & around Renton / SeaTac and saw some of adverse things done in the name of reducing costs and increasing profits. Note I'm a supporter of regulated capitalism but there have to be limits and Boeing crossed them. There should be accountability. When I'm using my A&P there are FARs that hold me accountable so when are there going to be changes that claw back the millions of dollars that these CEOs make when THEY failed in their jobs?
Safety is fortified by culture; it is not the onus of governance alone to identify any potential shortcomings in compliance. A strong safety culture within an organization is essential for manufacturing safe systems (Conway's Law). While governance plays a crucial role in setting safety standards and regulations, the responsibility for upholding these standards lies with every individual in the organization. A culture that prioritizes safety encourages employees to actively identify and report potential hazards, follow safety protocols, and hold each other accountable for maintaining safe practices. When safety is deeply ingrained in an organization's culture, it becomes a shared value, a collective responsibility, and the quality is reflected in the work product. Employees at all levels, from frontline workers to top management, must be committed to prioritizing safety above other competing demands. This commitment is demonstrated through practice, consistent behavior, open communication, and a willingness to learn from incidents and near misses. Governance, on the other hand, provides the framework and guidelines for safety management. It is the role of governance to establish clear safety policies, allocate resources for safety initiatives, and ensure that the organization is compliant with relevant laws and regulations. However, governance alone cannot guarantee safety if the culture does not support and reinforce safety practices. It is the culture of an organization that ultimately determines the success of safety initiatives. A strong safety culture empowers employees to take ownership of safety, fosters continuous improvement, and ensures that safety remains a top priority in the face of competing demands.
I'm all for holding those who made that decision accountable. I'm NOT in favor of letting Boeing off the hook for this. But whenever ANY member of Congress from EITHER party preaches about "accountability" the IRONY is palatable.
Hi Maximus...Im in the UK...ALLWAYS APPRECIATE your content... WTF Perfectly sums up my opinion of the Boeing Chaos right now... Favourite plane...a B757....
Question: did NASA and Boeing delay the return of Starlighter so that it would not overlap with the appearance of the Boeing CEO in front of Congress? The CEO of Boeing had a disastrous appearance before Congress in the past few days. It seems to me that delaying, a return attempt by Starliner that might have serious problems would be a wise thing for NASA and Boeing to do. Unfortunately, at this point, considering that the leaks are ongoing in Starliner, delaying the return of Starlighter may be exactly the wrong thing to do and may cause additional dangerous to the astronauts.If NASA and Boeing delayed the Starliner flight return for optics reasons, it could be that NASA and Boeing are just compounding the problems that could result in an even more unsafe return attempt by the astronaut and may be a fatal return attempt.
That would explain the inexplicable decision to remain in orbit longer because it’s not like the leaks are going to stop and wait. The only reason to keep them in orbit longer is to come up with another way to get them down, but that doesn’t appear to be on the table.
Why is it that I can so easily believe you indeed once had a Mullet? How can such things be possible? I read that and was like, “Oh yeah, this guy definitely rocked a Mullet in the 80s…” Or was it really the 90s as you wrote? Inquiring minds Max… Now we’re all invested. My wife said, “Pics please, or it never happened.” You know what you have to do to convince her… Have you considered using an image from that period as your tiny icon?
Choices are made at the CEO and Board of Directors level, and they are MBA types and NOT Engineers or Technicians. Fun Fact: Military Industrial companies in the US? if they fail their due diligence? Can be taken over by the Federal Government and operated in a Trust for the Shareholders. Its happened before and its time to Punish Boeing with this option.
Where does the buck stop? Where should the back stop? The CEO. The CEO who doesn’t know how much compensation was paid, whether insurance paid for it, nor how much, nor what tax deductions, if any, were made. $33m pa for not knowing anything, not speaking to anyone, not giving a flying xxxx, because if he did, he’d be on top of all this. Breathtaking arrogance. What does this guy do all day long, just count his cash???
How about basic accounting? How muck did all these posturing politicians make from "investors" while Boeing financialized along with the rest of the countries industrial base.
Im on the fence on forkner, in the sense that had he come forward early he could have absolved himself however after all the braggin emails and text messages he became complicit and should have been punished. However In a normal DOJ investigation they would have offered Forkner a deal to spill on the real players but the fix was in. Forkner was the guy they were gonna blame becuase Boeing has been literally protected by the US Govt and Defense department. Just look at Starliner. The US is gonna drag that out until they finally kill somebody.
This is so terrible ,so sad . The Boeing boss seems totally lost ( like Travolta ) having to answer questions from authorities above his control . Why are Franken Max still carrying passengers? And why aren’t the culprits in gaol ?
At this point, it would not be unreasonable to consider that Boeing may well be beyond redemption but the fact that the DOJ allowed such egregious actions to effectively go unpunished is as much a part of the systemic failures as any deceit on Boeing’s part imo. Until true accountability is routinely enforced in such matters, there really is no disincentive to questionable practices continuing and that is not just limited to aviation manufacturing.
Regardless of the poor implementation of MCAS and it’s resultant defects, the elephant in the room on both accident flights is the fact the pilots were poorly trained and didn’t recognise a stab trim runaway which is not unique to the Max. They could have prevented the accident in both cases by switching the stab trim cutouts in mere seconds.
The wrongdoing of an individual is punished with jail
the wrongdoing of a CEO is punished with a 33% raise
I hear you. The CEOs are not out of the woods….just yet. I feel the following to still be potentially on the table:
Gross negligence:
CEOs can be convicted of Gross Negligence if it happened as a result of their gross negligence. (I find it difficult to believe it’s not possible to prove this at some point - if not now, perhaps in future.)
Fraud:
Participating in (or having knowledge of) fraud is a criminal act on the part of the CEO. (This could be found at a later date as well.)
Third Parties:
Any third party not representing the government or other involved parties like Boeing corporate officers (but not excluding Boeing employers) may, if they are possessed of a desire to see the CEO punished can (and perhaps should) pursue civil litigation. As it is the case that people have died because of Boeing’s negligence, families of the deceased (for example) will likely win (I’m guessing they have a much better chance than, say, 90% of winning) a *large* sum of money from whatever Boeing CEO they believe was most at fault OR multiple CEOs or any other corporate officer for that matter - both current and former, who that the plaintiff(s) feel(s) also contributed to the way in which the company operated by means of fraud and negligence.
45%, 33 MeeeLion
As is tradition in the corporate world…
And a golden parachute
Do you mean that the rich and powerful avoid prison?
It's amazing to me how people like this CEO want all the power but carry NO responsibility.
As the CEO, Mr. Calhoun basically seems to know less about Boeing than the janitor does.
He is lying that's all
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f Would you employ an electrician who couldn't tell you which wire went where in a plug? This man is both showing a complete lack of respect for the senate hearing and making Boeing look dumb, that they have such a fool for a CEO.
Well he knows a lot of 💩🙄
@zig_ziggy he knows what is going on don't be so naive. He is just hiding it
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f He is a very skilled liar
I love how this guy talks about "accountable" or "responsible" as long as it's in abstract terms, but as soon as someone presses him with specifics... "Um, I wouldn't say that!"
Well you know the Board told Calhoun. You're not gone yet, so it would be a shame to see something happen to that goden parachute if you dont say the right things.
@@maximusaviationchannelhe should be arrested and the previous one too .
No, no, no. He can't talk to any whistleblowers -- he has to maintain plausible deniability when they are found unalive.
Unalive…. Is this the only phrase RUclips won’t take down? What now? They just had a self forever sleep? This latter statement won’t work, because I refuse to believe they magically passed on just as it became critical to hear from the whistle-blowers - it seems more likely (to me, and I’m only speaking/typing for myself here) that these guys were Vince Foster-ed BY someone.
Unalive?
@@craigbeatty8565 Yes, because apparently if you say the D word that describes the same thing, RUclips removes the comment
the ceo is the problem-should be charged with a crime.instead he is overpaid.
He decided to quit - after 8 more months.
@@rogerrussell9544 that must be when his obscene bonus kicks in?
Why is not this sociopath CEO not in prison for life? Along with his predecessors????
because : USA = BANANA REPUBLIC
I guess Dave knows this is his duty to sit there and soak up all these accusations and criticisms, he knows he’s going by the end of the year anyway and he also knows he’ll be rich enough to never have to work again. More importantly, he’ll be rich enough to hide somewhere discrete, if that’s what he wants.
So, he can sit here and say things at the right moment knowing this is his job, that he’s sorry and heartbroken and Boeing should take all the blame, but not him personally of course. So that the next person can come in with a clean sheet and say none of that was anything to do with me. It was all Dave Calhoun’s fault and Dennis Muilenburgs fault.
He’s not trying to help the Senate committee , actually probably the opposite, he just has to get through it that’s all.
So just carry on with the Deniability, the Obfuscation, the Failure to remember, the I didn’t see that, the That wasn’t on my watch.
When it’s all over, you can just swan off into the sunset, with all your millions made on the back of the deaths and misery of others less fortunate.
How does he sleep at night ?
I think the sad answer to that question is, probably quite well.
It would be interesting to see if when retired Calhoun only flys Airbus.
I went of a maintenance chief who after leaving an airline, when flying with them would enquire the registration number on the aircraft on his sector. If he knew the aircraft had issues, he would delay to a service with an aircraft he knew was safe.
You are doing a service on two levels Maximus !
1. Bringing this to our attention
2. Pointing out that DOING THE RIGHT THING should be beyond profits and politics !
Could not watch this circus!
This is insulting for the dead people, this is insulting for Boeing engineers, this is insulting for crews, this is insulting for passengers, this is insulting for Senators and the Senate, and this is obviously insulting for America and the whole aviation world.
I am infuriated...
Exactly, I guess we mostly feel the same, but what about relatives and friends of those deceased in the deadly crashes? Watching this will be devastating. Because as days go by, it looks more and more the case that profit was king, and safety came next. Cover-ups, instead of recognising the mistake at least after the first MCAS disaster.
Shame on those responsible.
Sounds like the CEO is in denial or has no idea what's going on in his own company. He comes across as a very shady character side stepping direct questions.
CEO's always claim high salaries because they have sooooo much responsibility. Then when shit happens, they blame others. Awful behaviour
So right
@@toddw6716 because they get away with it
CEO's and the board of directors are ever accountable. Always!
The need to pass laws making criminal penalties un-insurable and non-deductible.
Boeing aircraft are everywhere so "if it's Boeing I'm not going" won't work. But I can say that the 737 Max is on my list of "to be avoided wherever possible."
737 CoffinJet
I use the travel agent KAYAK who allow me to omit all Boeing aircraft
Oh that’s true then, I had heard that Kayak lets you avoid the 737 Max, when booking travel.
8:03 he's not spoken to any whistleblower, and now that Congress is asking him about this, he thinks it's a good idea. When you're responsible to establish a safety culture, it should occur to you it's a good Idea to listen to people who have found flaws in said culture so that you understand what to fix. How can he not have this on top of his agenda?
Two tier justice….
So this guy is being paid millions of dollars a year and:
Does not know if billions of dollars paid out were insured.
Neither does he know which amounts were deducted for tax.
Neither does he know the amount paid to the court in that 'fine' arranged by a lawyer who now works for this man's lawyers.
Neither had he thought it a good idea to speak to people telling him his aircraft are no longer safe. But he does now.
I know less than this clown so can I get a job at Boeing as it seems the less you know the more you get paid?
Boeing argued in court that their victims didn't suffer as they plummeted to their deaths.. only when they impacted the terrain
Nice one
Where did they bury the survivors?
All levels of Boeing management regardless of being upper, middle or lower levels should be scrutinized and validated about their competence and if any of them are left wanting and don't meet the most stringent qualities then there should be a lot of sackings.
They won’t fire themselves. Give raises, maybe
@@gordonborsboom7460yep
@@gordonborsboom7460 Maybe not a pay rise but they'll blame someone else!
Insurance and tax deductions for all those fines.🤯 Not even financial accountability.
Our DOJ has failed us.
That's because it's not ours. Working as intended for CEOs.
Essentially, this is proof that big business bought the government.
if it's boeing, i ain't going....
It’s a sad state indeed. I’ve been quietly freaking out a little about flying after the counterfeit Titanium “revelation.” I’m not talking about put-putting around in a Piper - and I don’t claim this is necessarily or inherently a safer plane. The PA-28 was just more available to me. I meant the actual commercial flights I may have to take on Boeing equipment simply because I sometimes do not get options.
:-/
whistleblowers ARE not available, as they had some unfortunate situations occur
The Shareholder CEO, only care about stock prices
They haven’t learned nothing yet…
nothing to learn, the insurance companies do have plenty to learn on the other hand..... -.-
Boeing needs to move their corporate headquarters back to Seattle and go back to the management style prior to the 1997 merger with McDonnel-Douglass.
You know that won`t happen.
@@lordjim3109nevertheless, it is essential.
Thanks Max for doing what you do.
These senate hearings are so great! Hard questions can be asked directly, without any obstructions. This is justice and truth-seeking!
3:33 Hearing a sitting senator talk about accountability is laughable
The only possible non criminals in that room are sitting in the audience.
Every single person on that panel needs their title, their investment portfolios, plus current board seats held listed as well.
Not just the CEO but the executive / board of directors culture. This affects a lot of companies where the social circles of the executive C levels are reinforcing the group think.
So true. I’ve seen it first hand, where the executive level types form a cliquish inner circle and act like they truly think they’re superior to everyone else. But in my experience, they’re often some of the least impressive people, especially if they happen to have Ivy League degrees. Although there are a few exceptions, most of these folks get where they are through hyper-ambition driven by inflated egos and self-centeredness.
Everyone wants to blame the CEO, and perhaps rightfully so, but I think the real problem is government officials, elected and otherwise, that are in the pocket of the corporation. Every US Senator, Congresscritter, DOJ, FAA, NTSB...in short, any government official tasked with investigation, and/or oversight, and/or prosecution of a corporation, or individuals within an industry should be banned from owning any stocks in, or related to, that industry, and from receiving any "gifts" or donations from same.
For once I agree with Sen Blumenthal 100% lock someone up and fine them all the money they stole in pay.
Well, Boeing knows what is coming down the pike
Greed is NOT good
We are doomed
It does seem so.
@maximusaviationchannel why is US officials still looking at Mullenberg and Calhoun and doing nothing. They should be arrested immediately
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f the us govt regardless of which administration is in power runs like the mafia. all the profits have to come up to them. that's why we have 99 year old mega rich politicians who stay in office for life. it was never supposed to be that way. but you k own what they say. absolute power corrupts absolutely
@@maximusaviationchannel yes Boeing is part of US military complex connected to US government
I work in the Renton factory and I did work on the 787 line at the EMC.
That is all I can say. I to am afraid of retaliation.
David Calhoun, ex GE, James McNerney, ex GE, Harry Stonecipher, ex GE. Company culture stems from when it was founded and is almost impossible to change from the top down. I suspect that they imported the GE top down, paramount cost control management culture into Boeing. Classic Theory "X" that stems from the 1890's when GE was founded. The move of the headquarters to Chicago and away from the engineers is a giant red flag. You cannot have a collaborative corporate culture when "management" and technology / production are geographically separated. Boeing will not be fixed until headquarters is moved back from Chicago. Boeing will also not be fixed until the managers start walking the production floor and the engineering offices.
The strange thing is, GE makes the world's best jet engines, while Boeing, well, let's just say the real problem is the infamous McDonnell Douglas merger - one need only look at how poorly McDonnell Douglas was doing before that merger. I would argue that Boeing does not really exist anymore, having ceased to exist at some point after the merger. The company that we see now, most likely is actually McDonnell Douglas, using the Boeing name. It's really weird with Mr. Calhoun, he did just fine at GE, and then something in him must have changed when he encountered the baneful influence of McDonnell Douglas. At this point, after how Mr. Calhoun's been handling his current job, it would be a crime to let him free.
I think it`s beyond repair.
I am flabbergasted!
Hey Max, lets go over this one more time…..
MCAS was installed on 737max to counteract the tendency for the HUGE engine to cause nose lift in flight, is this not correct??
Why can no one see the problem? The plane itself is telling engineers its not happy with this combo….
GET RID OF THE 737!
My God, STOP the BS!!
The fact they needed to counteract that tendency wasn't so much because it was unsafe for the nose to point up slightly (it wasn't), it was because Boeing had promised the airlines that the MAX would have identical flying characteristics as the predecessor, the 737NG, and that therefore no (expensive) simulator training would be needed for existing 737NG pilots to fly the MAX.
The problem also wasn't so much that they had a system like MCAS to counteract that tendency, it was the way in which they implemented it: it depended on a single sensor instead of the two sensors normally used for systems that critical. This was, again, done to avoid simulator training for pilots. Because it depended on a single sensor, a failure or malfunction of that sensor could (and did) have disastrous consequences.
At this particular moment in time I would truly hate to be a staff member of Boeing's public relations department.....
It’s not an individual who created a system. On the engineering level a person can’t be accountable. At higher levels, yes.
Trainwreck? We all knew exactly what was going to happen before it happened!
There are only three questions left unanswered:
1. Is Boeing going to improve on quality control?
2. Will individuals at Boeing be prosecuted?
3. How much have all these issues actually cost Boeing if most of their payments were from insurance policies and write-offs?
Calhoun was extremely disengenuous in denying that his team knew the dangers of the MCAS design. But of course he HAS to say that in order to avoid incriminating leaders of the company in future criminal cases, which their continued obstinance may make happen.
The very fact that MCAS relied on a SINGLE sensor to make decisions, instead of the standard practice in aviation and other critical engineering to have multiple critical sensors, and the design practice of systems to "fail gracefully", means that any engineer that is competent knew that the Boeing control system was a crash waiting to happen. If they really DIDN'T know that, then they no longer employ competent engineers.
This is what happens when non techincal management is advised by yes men...
Take EVERY PENNY AND EVERY SHARE from EVERY EXECUTIVE and return it to the company, earmark it for safety improvements and salary raises for LINE WORKERS AND ENGINEERS. Maybe that will start to improve things. Tie engineer and line worker BONUSES to safety improvements and quality.
Thanks so much for creating and sharing this informative video. Great job. Keep it up.
Lock'em up.
Just another example of the love affair between fortune 500 companys, and the federal government, the more things change the more they remain the same.
I am concerned that any good CEO options Boeing might have had before or after the MD merger are likely all pushing up the daisies.
I am surprised that the merger is being brought up as an excuse for the Max crashes. The merger was more than 20 years ago and MD in St. Louis built fighter and trainer aircraft, not airlines. The CEO'S of MD were always Engineers not sure about the Boeing CEO's. The point being Boeing needs to stand up and take responsibility for it's actions.
Thanks for highlighting that major business can organise in a way that protects level one managers and members of the board.
It makes me 🤬
Thanks Max. Never Boeing ever. Aussie Bob
2:38 He should personally be held accountable. As a leader, he's responsible for setting the stage in a way safety related findings is something every employee is proud of and rewarded for.
You know, the starliner is sitting at the ISS waiting for approval to return to earth. Why not put a passenger in the dragon capsule going up to give them a ride home and let Mr. Calhoun ride his own product back down>? I think he would be the perfect first person to ride it back to the surface?
Its the top down. ALL BOEING MANAGEMENT AND ITS MANAGEMENT UNIVERSITY IN ST.LOUIS IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!
If a company has a CEO like Calhoun, it's no wonder that that company fails in all respects.
Thank you Max.
These decisions were made under a former CEO however that’s not to say Calhoun should have had these individuals , who intentionally hid the MCAS from the FAA and pilots prosecuted. This includes certain individuals from Southwest airlines who pressured Boeing to install this system to avoid pilot training which would slow the certification of the Max.
Why do we even need CEOs?
Responsibility is ultimately the CEO. Period.
First the Detroit Big 3, then IBM, then GE and now Boeing: Harvard MBAs strike again...
Calhoun looked like a naughty child caught red-handed with his hand in the biscuit (cookie) jar trying to deny any culpability.
That`s what his lawyers told him to do. Just ride it out and you`ll be fine.
I can’t believe that this guy is still the CEO. Boeings business is being badly affected. But there are still significant questions about the current situation with the Max at the very least .
It's not funny, but there's very critical defects that are being ignored by the rank and file. This is happening currently, even with all the investigations. Part of the reason is the fear of being removed from the gene pool. But what I'm talking about happened prior to Mr Barnett.
A CEO who doesn't know how much his company was fined and we are talking billions, or if they were insured and if it was tax deductible ... WTF does he know?????
Politicians & CEOs talk accountability. Laughable. Aussie Bob
Questioning this CEO is about as much good as questioning Mortimer Snerd 🤣
Anyone who's knowledge about the aviation industry knows that when Boeing and Mcdonald Douglas merged the engineers were taken out of the corporate loop and were replaced by profit driven college educated corporate C-suite types.
I have friends that have worked their entire lives with Boeing and I lived and worked at & around Renton / SeaTac and saw some of adverse things done in the name of reducing costs and increasing profits. Note I'm a supporter of regulated capitalism but there have to be limits and Boeing crossed them. There should be accountability. When I'm using my A&P there are FARs that hold me accountable so when are there going to be changes that claw back the millions of dollars that these CEOs make when THEY failed in their jobs?
Safety is fortified by culture; it is not the onus of governance alone to identify any potential shortcomings in compliance.
A strong safety culture within an organization is essential for manufacturing safe systems (Conway's Law). While governance plays a crucial role in setting safety standards and regulations, the responsibility for upholding these standards lies with every individual in the organization. A culture that prioritizes safety encourages employees to actively identify and report potential hazards, follow safety protocols, and hold each other accountable for maintaining safe practices.
When safety is deeply ingrained in an organization's culture, it becomes a shared value, a collective responsibility, and the quality is reflected in the work product. Employees at all levels, from frontline workers to top management, must be committed to prioritizing safety above other competing demands. This commitment is demonstrated through practice, consistent behavior, open communication, and a willingness to learn from incidents and near misses.
Governance, on the other hand, provides the framework and guidelines for safety management. It is the role of governance to establish clear safety policies, allocate resources for safety initiatives, and ensure that the organization is compliant with relevant laws and regulations. However, governance alone cannot guarantee safety if the culture does not support and reinforce safety practices.
It is the culture of an organization that ultimately determines the success of safety initiatives. A strong safety culture empowers employees to take ownership of safety, fosters continuous improvement, and ensures that safety remains a top priority in the face of competing demands.
lock him up!
Dissolve the corporate charter. A corporation has a duty to serve a public interest.
I'm all for holding those who made that decision accountable. I'm NOT in favor of letting Boeing off the hook for this.
But whenever ANY member of Congress from EITHER party preaches about "accountability" the IRONY is palatable.
Hi Maximus...Im in the UK...ALLWAYS APPRECIATE your content...
WTF Perfectly sums up my opinion of the Boeing Chaos right now...
Favourite plane...a B757....
Hi there Maximum awesome stuff here glad to be able to see this hearing awesome video here Boeing is on the back foot
Despicable, simply despicable
He’s a legend in his own mind that belongs in prison.
Yeah he was. Yet I think Forkner always mistakenly and naively thought Boeing would have his back. But thats not how the machine works.
@@maximusaviationchannel Seriously. I laughed so hard when i read that he thought that. 😂
3:13 says "we are responsible" and turning his head "no".
Never Boeing. Aussie Bob
What kind of CEO is that literally knowing nothing what is going on in his company...
If it's a Boeing I am not going!!
Question: did NASA and Boeing delay the return of Starlighter so that it would not overlap with the appearance of the Boeing CEO in front of Congress? The CEO of Boeing had a disastrous appearance before Congress in the past few days. It seems to me that delaying, a return attempt by Starliner that might have serious problems would be a wise thing for NASA and Boeing to do. Unfortunately, at this point, considering that the leaks are ongoing in Starliner, delaying the return of Starlighter may be exactly the wrong thing to do and may cause additional dangerous to the astronauts.If NASA and Boeing delayed the Starliner flight return for optics reasons, it could be that NASA and Boeing are just compounding the problems that could result in an even more unsafe return attempt by the astronaut and may be a fatal return attempt.
That would explain the inexplicable decision to remain in orbit longer because it’s not like the leaks are going to stop and wait. The only reason to keep them in orbit longer is to come up with another way to get them down, but that doesn’t appear to be on the table.
@@JoeOvercoat
That's my concern. Both NASA and Boeing have a history of making decisions for their convenience that endanger the lives of passengers.
"Individuals held accountable? That means me!"
This is why people hate corporate America
The absolutely irresponsible cost cutting which killed people is his responsibility. This guy should go to jail, period.
How is he a CEO most of his answers were I don’t know, shameful behaviour 😥
Why is it that I can so easily believe you indeed once had a Mullet? How can such things be possible? I read that and was like, “Oh yeah, this guy definitely rocked a Mullet in the 80s…”
Or was it really the 90s as you wrote? Inquiring minds Max… Now we’re all invested.
My wife said, “Pics please, or it never happened.” You know what you have to do to convince her…
Have you considered using an image from that period as your tiny icon?
Not angry enough to arrest however
Choices are made at the CEO and Board of Directors level, and they are MBA types and NOT Engineers or Technicians. Fun Fact: Military Industrial companies in the US? if they fail their due diligence? Can be taken over by the Federal Government and operated in a Trust for the Shareholders. Its happened before and its time to Punish Boeing with this option.
Where does the buck stop? Where should the back stop? The CEO. The CEO who doesn’t know how much compensation was paid, whether insurance paid for it, nor how much, nor what tax deductions, if any, were made. $33m pa for not knowing anything, not speaking to anyone, not giving a flying xxxx, because if he did, he’d be on top of all this. Breathtaking arrogance. What does this guy do all day long, just count his cash???
This is precisely how he spends his time in his office. Planning his plush retirement starting January 1st.
I couldn't believe they were insured for this and it thus wouldn't effect their bottom line - really ???
How about basic accounting? How muck did all these posturing politicians make from "investors" while Boeing financialized along with the rest of the countries industrial base.
Put him in jail.
I guess it may be time to make sure that Boeing is NOBODY's problem - And there's more than one way to make that happen.
Mark fortner belongs in prison too!
Im on the fence on forkner, in the sense that had he come forward early he could have absolved himself however after all the braggin emails and text messages he became complicit and should have been punished. However In a normal DOJ investigation they would have offered Forkner a deal to spill on the real players but the fix was in. Forkner was the guy they were gonna blame becuase Boeing has been literally protected by the US Govt and Defense department. Just look at Starliner. The US is gonna drag that out until they finally kill somebody.
Why would Calhoun give a shit - he's walking away with millions and not sitting in a prison cell like he ought to be
Man that Blumenthal has surely got to be one of the most serious of you senators I heard…
This is so terrible ,so sad . The Boeing boss seems totally lost ( like Travolta ) having to answer questions from authorities above his control . Why are Franken Max still carrying passengers? And why aren’t the culprits in gaol ?
That S.O.B. should be in jail.
At this point, it would not be unreasonable to consider that Boeing may well be beyond redemption but the fact that the DOJ allowed such egregious actions to effectively go unpunished is as much a part of the systemic failures as any deceit on Boeing’s part imo. Until true accountability is routinely enforced in such matters, there really is no disincentive to questionable practices continuing and that is not just limited to aviation manufacturing.
Regardless of the poor implementation of MCAS and it’s resultant defects, the elephant in the room on both accident flights is the fact the pilots were poorly trained and didn’t recognise a stab trim runaway which is not unique to the Max. They could have prevented the accident in both cases by switching the stab trim cutouts in mere seconds.
Calhoun the Incompetent!!! He should RESIGN RIGHT NOW!!!
The only problem with this senator is all businesses should just shut down because its problematic.
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My reaction to this is simply one word: Prison
This overpaid CEO is not most of the problem. Its the overpaid idiots that approve the plans.