Former Post Office Minister Paul Scully On Calls To Remove Paula Vennells' CBE| Good Morning Britain
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2024
- Over 700 workers were wrongly convicted during the Horizon Post Office scandal. Now, a petition with over a million signatures is calling for Paula Vennells, former CEO of Post Office LTD, to be stripped of her CBE. This comes amongst additional calls for Post Office executives responsible for the scandal to be brought to justice.
GMB is joined by Former Post Office Minister, Paul Scully and Author, Nick Wallis who has written extensively about the scandal.
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Stripped of her CBE?……she should be sent to prison!
Or maybe Rowanda
@@gclarke180 Rwanda even
The whole lot of them should be inside - Fujitsu execs as well
She wasn’t stripped of it she handed it back 🤷♂️ Means nothing!!
Would’ve been better if she had been stripped of it - she needs to be punished for her crimes and that would’ve been a start!
@@hamishpaterson2413 as I said, prison
She needs to lose her house. Her income. Her liberty.
She needs to be made bankrupt. See how she likes it
she is high up in the church of england......
Let's be clear: all of the governments during the period bear responsibility for ALL OF IT, DURING AND CERTAINLY NOW.
@paulrichards6894 no she was required to step down in the St Albans diocese in 2021
@@Ken_oh545 i know justin welby saw her as a person he looked up to
she'll be feeling very sorry for herself and will never face real consequences
Fujisu should pay the compensation not the British tax payer
Fujitsu have actually been given Billions in and local authority and education authority contracts last year alone
The Post Office alone since April last year has 2 contracts with Fujitsu
1 .Extension of Horizon Data Centre Operations and Central Network Services - 2.3 Billion
2. Extension of the Data Centre Operations and Central Network Services (Including Test Infrastructure) 2.4 billion
I did think in order to bid on any government contracts companies had to be on a DTI approval list for safe and reputable companies
Why then If Fujitsu have already committed perjury over Issues with a government contract is it still one this list ?
And the government minister who signed off on it !
It’s always easy to blame the government. I agree Fujitsu are to blame, they’re program, they’re problem!
@@Party-pants , really?
Do you know what the government stands for?
People from government allowed all these to happen.
that would only lead to further delay, and undoubtedly the company declaring bankruptcy. Th government should pay and then get the money back from the company.
Vennells made conscious decisions to maliciously prosecute innocent people, she is a criminal that caused pain and suffering on a mass scale.
Vennels is the bogey man. Yes she needs to be dragged over the coals. But all this focus on her and her CBE is keeping the attention away from a lot of other equally or more guilty people.
And yet she was being considered as possibly the next Bishop Of London. Which would have given her a seat on the House of Lords!
@@Jon-xw9om Ye Gods! Welby had her on an Ethical Investments Board. Tony Bell (formerly Head of Internal Audit of an FT-100 Company, likewise priested) needs to look at that.
That sounds like she's prime ministerial material.
@@kurtgodel5236 No, she's a classic fall-guy, taking the blame - or at least intending to, if it were not that that particular play's been so overused by these totally incompetent puppeteers we see through it at first glance, right alongside lessons learned, not informed, nearest long grass, public enquiry, laws which won't happen because the election bins them, Old Uncle Tom Cobblers and all.
What the real problem is, is that it took a TV programme to bring this shocking treatment of honest, hardworking people to get MPs start talking about it. Joke.
It's honestly crazy. My first job was in a post office and I couldn't believe it when I was talking to my boss about it, I mainly couldn't believe that I hadn't heard about it before, granted it could be due to my age and a fair amount of ignorance but I'm glad that this is at the centre of the news and I hope it remains that way until it's resolved.
I'm afraid to say, that's the parasitic nature of lawyers. The taxpayers will be picking up the Bill once again.
@@decentcomment9447It will probably end up like most of the investigations funded by the taxpayer and brushed aside. The elite always look after themselves.
TV gives authority to everything, its dangerous and depressing. Injustices occur IRL each n every day n nobody cares coz we're more attached to screens than to other humans
Private Eye, Computer Weekly and a small number of MPs got this travesty highlighted. The media are friends with the elites and want it covered up.
Never mind the CBE, Vennells still left her Post Office job with a whopping £400,000 bonus. How about paying that back?
Yes, a bonus for being a criminal
Jesus has shone on her
Er she got 3 million!
@@Lynnefromlyn I read that her golden goodbye was £400,000, but is believed to have received nearly £3 million in performance-related perks and payments in lieu of pension. That last piece of information came out after I posted my original comment.
@@loyaltytoroyalty
What I would like to know is how a corporation that was at that time under public ownership could afford such pay-outs ?
The PO was sold supposedly because it didn't make money.
Give her salary & bonuses back to us who paid for them
Who recommended Vennells and who supported it? It should be on record.
Archbishop of Canterbury, the 'Most Rev' Justin Welby
It was not a drawn-out arcane process for the government when it came to giving money to their mates in the PPE scandal.
Good point.
true. VIP lanes for them.
spot on! They can find the money when it's going into the wrong pockets.
This started under Labour child. The PO victims have been at least started to be compensated under Conservatives.
@@lestrem11 I am a yank and even I know the Conservatives only started to begin compensation because the ITV drama and public backlash finally kickstarted them to get off their rear and act. Or do you really believe they just started to act now conveniently out of the goodness in their hearts you sweet summer child.
Stripping her of the CBE should be only the first step...
Then gaol and all bonuses returned
Paula Vennells should be going straight to Jail.
So if Fujitsu staff were covertly accessing sub-post office accounting systems to patch/update them, they would have to have recognised that fraud was not being committed. Why in that case did Fujitsu not come clean to the Post Office and tell them the staff were not committing fraud? This stinks even more as the facts come out.
Nick Wallis told me more horror stories about this.
I think they did, but the post office wanted to cover it up! I can't actually work out why. They could have just said it's not working properly and none of this would have happened. @@bigpants6121
maybe they are STILL stealing?
She shouldn't be made to hand back her CBE, she should be AUTOMATICALLY STRIPPED of the CBE, then she should pay the sub post masters and sub post mistresses all the money those poor people had to pay out their own pockets to make up short falls and then stand trial for fraud. Give her a taste of what these honest people went through.
Yes…..Also, withdraw her pension
When did you come to this conclusion?
@@fritzhenning1 and who's that directed to?
Anyone who has just joined the bandwagon of outrage. This miscarriage has been known for years.
@@fritzhenning1 yes I have just joined ! But this travesty has only just caught us simple folks imagination, hopefully now things will accelerate 🤞
Paula Vennells should be in jail!!!!
She's in Turkey having her teeth done
Paula Veneers!
Like Grenfell, those responsible will NOT go to jail.
We live in a society where the rich and powerful are not held to account for their crimes.
You have to be wealthy to afford a lawyer to fight these corrupt/criminal people or corporations and that's another reason there is so much injustice in the UK. With the increasing frequency of computer error or down time, I fear we will be seeing much more of this type of crime/coverup.
Who was responsible for Grenfell?
@@bobeyes3284whoever allowed flammable material to be used to clad a building. Nothing I believe like this is allowed under German building codes.
@@bobeyes3284 , the ones who had been bribed to allow the construction company to use cheaper and flammable materials
Yes that’s right, because the Grenfell people are poorer working class they don’t have the strength energy, knowledge or time to fight the injustice.
Actually, it was media cover that is resolving this issue not lawyers.
How could the Post Office possibly think that all these postmasters were crooks?? It's just so unbelievably unlikley that such a high concentration of criminals just happened to be postmasters!
I worked on a large IT system for a large, nationalised employer (not saying who). The view of the management of that company was that *all* their employees were crooks and were fiddling large sums of money.
I think when Horizon started finding these hundreds of problems, the attitude of the Post Office was "Well, we knew we had a massive problem. Now we know just who's fiddling the books".
That was my first question. The idiocy continues. I'm listening to the audio book and it's heart-wrenching to learn what the victims had to go through. Thus far, only one victim refused to accept liability (despite the emotional cost) against legal advice. Heads need to roll.
TRUSTING OUR GUT INSTINCT IS A NECESSITY RATHER THAN FOLLOWING OTHERS' ADVICE.
Oh, I don't know. Just take a look at PARLIAMENT (both Houses)
fair point @@willieckaslike
Yes why didn’t someone say ‘ this can’t be right’. Surely the lawyers and judges must have thought this is ridiculous.
We must make the Post Office pay and the top boss's go to prison.
Fujitsu need to pay.
And all the Government PO ministers that did sweet FA.
@rogernevin7461 yes ALL of them from when the scandal started in 1999
The Post Office also needs to pay. They took millions from sub postmasters. They then held it in a suspense account (accruing interest), then paid it into Post Office profits. These profits were then paid out in bonuses.
The Post Office needs to start there, with interest to date and adjusted for inflation. £4300 was worth a lot more money in 1999 than it is now in 2024.
Then, they can start thinking about compensation. 0@@andrewoliver8930
It simply won't happen!
Worse still who recommended her for her N.H.S. position especially after it came post her appearance before the select committee. Really? Is this the best we can do? Appoint people who totally failed at one job then give them another
Revolving door policy
Elite Club
Pure corruption
Shocking and upsetting in equal measure. The focus is on Paula Venals and rightly but there must have been a large number of advisors involved in the cover up. They must all be exposed and brought to account. Well done ITV
In the Netherlands we had somewhat of a similar scandal. Honest people prosecuted, losing their homes, partners, children in some cases… What is wrong in western countries that these injustices can happen? And instead of compensating at a fast pace, it takes years and years which increases the agony and the damage…. And nobody held accountable… it makes me so mad…
At least these things get aired in the open and some compensation happens in the West. Elsewhere people speaking up would have been thrown in jail, if not worse.
@@AA-yc8yr You're missing the very important point that in the UK, which is a part of the *West* the last time I checked, a *government* body called the Post Office sent threatening letters to BBC managers to STOP them from *airing this issue in the open!* Yes, it WAS eventually aired, but the point is, the Post Office did its level best to intimidate BBC managers into keeping this scandal quiet. The UK ain't clean, and it's not anywhere near the top of Transparency International's list of corruption-free countries. I believe the least corrupt country in the world is either New Zealand or Singapore. UK is way down the list, and this scandal shows you why.
@@britishempire2330 The only missing THE point is you. Go re-read my comment you apparently are responding to, and arguing with. I don't care what you believe in re. which country is least corrupt, on account of that NOT being the point. Some reading with comprehension would have helped here, had you been capable of it.
Was it about the dutch childcare benefits? A software computing bug which had led to this scandal
@@britishempire2330as a kiwi I'm proud to say that my little country is usually first, first equal or in the top four.
The elites want you to forget this issue and hope the ditching of the CBE placates you. The workers went to prison. Fujitsu management and the PO management knew they were in the wrong.
The post office must never be allowed to prosecute their own internal staff again.
I agree. How many times are we going to let free all the influentials on the Top to escape justice ?
12 months, clock's ticking.
I guess Paula Vennels will questioned at the enquiry and this disaster will be put down to the corporate failure and will come out smelling of roses. A bit like the railway incidents when lives were lost in recent years.!!Dreadfull!
Now you understand why the french revolution happened.
@@michaelandrews4783 I prefer the Belgian one. That was ridiculous.
@@michaelandrews4783I know you are being flippant with your comment, however if you look at all of the revolutions in the last 200 years they only happened when enough people couldn't put food on the table!
The UK is not quite there yet!
The plain fact is, you can never compensate the years of misery these people and their families suffered.
In certain countries the politicians and business leaders who caused this injustice would be stood against the wall.
They need to see jail time or nothing will change, very convientient the rich in power can't be held accountable by the laws they make.
Oh for the rumble of the tumbrills wheels in Trafalgar Square
You certainly can't, but you can at least make sure justice is seen to be upheld when the truth arises.
Have you noticed, these “computer errors “ always seem to favour the company?, there always seems to be an inertia except when it’s in the politicians interest
Yes, by odd coincidence all discrepancies were cash deficiencies. Branch figures were able to be remotely altered without the knowledge of the operators in the various post offices, how were the unknown millions extorted from them accounted for? By false accounting perhaps?
Hadn’t thought about that, good one
It showed how desperate and despicable the Post Office were when the judge found in favour of the victims and then the PO legal team put in a complaint against the judge allegedly accusing him of being bias. All those from PO must be brought to justice and as the innocent victims sent to prison.
To give an extended contract to fegitsui is beyond incompetent its deliberate, it's courrupt
* Fujitsu !
All those, including government ministers responsible should be prosecuted.
Just imagine we are leading our next generation towards Artifical Intelligence. This is so horrendous... So so monstrous !
Just made that very comment on another thread
Why is artificial intelligence so horrendous...so so monstrous. Splitting the atom didn't create the bomb...man did that and man dropped it!
@@fritzhenning1 Well haven’t you just answered your own question. These programmes are also produced by humanity and then released on the population. Surely that degree of autonomy makes them worse than the atom bomb by your very argument
You cannot uninvent AI just as you cannot uninvent 2+2 = 4. It's what you do with that knowledge that is critical. AI can/should be amazing but 3rah356 immediately saw it as so evil that s/he wanted it banned.
@@fritzhenning1that is exactly why... because man cannot be trusted to use new technologies and scientific discoveries for the benefit of all instead of using it for power and exploitation of fellow human beings. nothing by itself is good or evil, it is what you do with it.
And she should hand back her MBE and stand trial for fraud.
There is a long list of what she should be charged with.
conspiracy to commit theft of thousands of £'s from multiple victims
coercion
malicious prosecution of 3500 people
false imprisonment of 700 people
withholding evidence
perjury
misleading parliament
conspiracy to pervert the cause of justice
slander / libel
bringing the legal system into disrepute
Not to mention the responsibility for causing
4 self inflicted deaths and delaying justice for so long that another 18 passed of natural causes whilst she purposefully delayed prosecution
forcing houses to be sold / repossessed and forcing people to have to relocate
divorces / families to break up
causing serious mental health crisis to many
damage to credit scores
damage to reputations
mass unfair dismissals
I imagine there is more.
Let us not forget much of this happened whilst she was a multi millionaire ordained priest living in a mansion telling others to be humble decent and honest
It’s a CBE and she has handed it back, despicable woman
@@nannieg7622 Thank you my mistake.
Yet another example of enrichment by lawyers bringing the appeals to court on an individual basis rather than en mass, soaking up tax payer money set aside by government for compensation claims. Totally reprehensible!
Ah, blame the lawyers! But which lawyers are appealling, to whom and on whose behalf? I thought the call was for a public inquiry into the whole sorry mess. Those postmasters/misstresses who have already been through the courts will have had their own lawyers. There should be no need for appeals if the government and post office got their compensation act together....but as usual getting any money will be like pulling teeth.
And we the tax payers were paying the bill.
We, the tax payer. flogged off the PO at a knock-down price in 2014. That cost us £750 million according to the NAO.@@brendasmith1093
it has to be on public record who proposed her
When Fujitsu were selected by the government for the new PO system, there were better systems that had their bid rejected simply because Fujitsu was the cheapest bid. For me, the government is just as culpable as Fujitsu.
Exactly
And they looked the other way when the scandal hit.
The Home Office uses Fujitsu/Horizon
Let's hope a programme about the blood contamination scandal is made & bring JUSTICE to the people who are LONG overdue it & RIP to the people who got none
Yeah I was hoping someone would mention the contaminated blood scandal. Are they still waiting to be compensated too?
@@sc3304 yes
@@sc3304 further to my last reply, I am now hearing a programme about the blood scandal WILL! now be made..HOORAY! : edit & if the documentary maker's will hopefully make one about the Thalidomide scandal too
Everyone should remember that the CEOs of these huge organisations are not in place to look after the interests of the customers or the staff, she, like the gormless Thompson at Royal Mail, was in place to look after the interests of the owners and their own pay and rewards packages…… blowing the whistle on the Horizon system would not have been in her interest, replacing it would have cost PO multi millions and she wouldn’t have got her bonus and then pay-off of over £400k….all her payoff would directly have been funded by the stolen money postmasters had to pay for nonexistent debts…….
The only reason the “government “ are doing something is because it was on tv . They should all stand trial for what they did or didn’t do. That women needs to give award and pension back
And the elections are coming.
Something for Sunak to crow about as a success for him and his party.
Well said it was glaring for years and all parties in the House of commons knew. And they also know who put that awful women for a CBE why wont they say closing ranks
Which government ? 🤔
@@1957bumpy Every person who held the office as head of the PO in that period when people were being wrongly convicted should be sent to trial.
It is truly unbelievable what has happened to all these people and even more devastating that people took their own lives.
For each year that the accused staff have been out of work because of this, they should all get full pay refunded, plus compensation on top. Paid for by the Post Office and the Computer company that designed the machinery that caused the problem.
I would like to think the Post Office will pay back all the money they stole from postmasters immediately, with full interest from the day they stole it.
every penny plus interest plus compensation for pain and suffering for every hour they they all had to go through this horrendous ordeal good luck to them all
@@gordonwilson6553 Interest at Statutory rates, which are penal.
What's stopping the government from setting up a VIP lane to compensate the sub-postmasters?
VIP lanes are for Tory chums and donors only.
Because none are their mates or donors so of course they won't rush it . They will rather make all the faux outrage clucking and giving the pathetic soundbites for the papers
@@Ian-mj4pt Faux outrage and pathetic soundbites are all that's left in the Tory party locker.
I see they removed my comment then.
Obviously, if you post really harsh truths, they're neither appreciated nor welcome.
@@Dylanesque It wasn't me.
Listening to lbc earlier someone said she might have handed back her cbe but they suggested her huge pension should be taken back. These people will never go to jail, or punished but something like removing her inflated pension could be a powerful message to others who take advantage.
MP's are happy to sit on their hands rather than ask awkward questions - and these people represent us!
These days they don’t represent us, they represent big businesses, the wealthy and themselves, but never us!
This scandal has been known for for some considerable time. Did you ask any awkward questions, or any questions at all?
The questions i would ask would be, who from the Government sanctioned the supposedly dodgy Fujitsu Computer system, how much did it cost the tax payer and who got the 'kick-backs' ? That will be why they have dragged their heels for years.
@@rogernevin7461A government minister would have signed this off, based on reams of documentation provided by civil servants. What evidence do you have about 'kick-backs'. I hope you have shared this with the poluie.
Why was Adam Crozier not mentioned in the ITV Drama ? Simple answer. He was an ITV Executive
CEO!
The Fujitsu CEO from 2014 to 2018 is married to the Education Secretary.
It's a club of elites.
*Updated as I said he was the current CEO.
is that Gillian Keegan?
Well this week next week she could be health minister.😂
@@bigpants6121 Michael Keegan is her husband. CEO from 2014 to 18.
This is what happens when an appointment to a top executive position is made on grounds other than a proven record of ability and competency to carry out the functions demanded by such a pivotal post.
Race, gender nor religion should form part of the selection process for any vacant position.
Are you suggesting these posts were filled based on race, gender or religion or are you displaying your biggoted prejudice.
Yes, look at the incompetent leaders brought in to break through the glass ceiling and then manage to being down the company. Waitrose being one of them, Itv another.
The fact that we have an election looming has of course no bearing on the sudden moves to give a facade of justice. Thank you ITV!
It's worth noting that this scandal is in its fourth decade.
Ed Davey has some explaining to do. He was as complicit as Vennells and dismissed Mr Bates when he asked him to intervene.
The magnitude of this scandal is beyond my comprehension at this moment.
Essentially the Post Office with the complicity of government officials and the IT company Fujitsu, defrauded, committed perjury and unlawfully prosecuted those innocent postal employees. In the process they also unlawfully caused the deaths of some, ruined the mental and physical health of many, financially damaged and unlawfully imprisoned them. The catalogue of crimes is phenomenal and must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and anything less would be a travesty of justice.
I can tell you who recommended Venells for a CBE: ELIZABETH TRUSS.
she was not the PM in 2019
Doesnt have to be the PM who recommends for a gong
No way!!
Why have NONE of the Post Office board faced CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. They knew what was going on. Take THEIR houses, bonus's off them. FUJITSU should be Sued by the postmasters for their part in this Fiasco. They need to be the ones who pay any compensation.
Just like Covid, who appointed this woman? Remember Sage, who appointed the chosen ones to the Committee……..nobody asks such a question? I wonder why? Yet many millions spent on the charade Public Enquiry.
The Cabinet Office selected SAGE.
The Cabinet Office is an arm of civil service that in effect controls government but the public have no idea
See "Yes Minister" comedy
The public, quite frankly , were thick when it came to Gov policy and a bunch of psychopaths called Behavioural Psychologists decided how we should live and were accepted on face value , for covid.
The Gov knew it was dealing with cretins when they accepted such non- medical people to " mandate" them.
@@zerotoleranceforsataniceli4794 exactly, but there is no accountability and from within they appoint others with their own disposition so the control and agenda is maintained. We even had a communist party member on SAGE in the form of Susan Michie, now with the reward of a nice number with WHO. It’s all wheels within wheels. Blair did a good job packing the institutions, quangos etc with his people.
It's not just the Post Office: there are several organisations connected with the State that investigate, prosecute and convict people with little legal oversight and no independent legal process. Lives and careers can be ruined by incompetent or even malicious, unqualified people where the process is not under the control of a judge and not subject to the normal rules of evidence and and the accepted norms of fairness that the legal system in the UK tries to uphold.
The biggest being the European Commission, who have not presented a correct set of balanced accounts in a quarter of a century. I've run the books of an International Organisation, which balanced when we closed it, as they had all the way through, including an operation in Albania, which they did nothing to help.
BUT WHEN WILL THE LAW BE CHANGED TO STOP THIS EVER HAPPENING AGAIN! Even the police are not allowed to investigate themselves, why are the Post Office the only exception to this rule of law? This was never about the British law system, it came from a national company, owned by the government, being given license to act outside of it!
How about a VIP lane for compensaton. This worked pretty well when it was for 'friends' of the Government. . .
CBE - ‘Can’t Blame Executives’
What!
Fujitsu, Ed Davey, Keir Starmer & anyone who had the power to overturn, challenge or dismiss the unlawful charges bought against the postmasters should be held accountable in the strongest possible way. Make an example of them and ensure that no other CEO, MP or Legal Entity does this again ! Water Company bosses and NHS Management beware !! We are watching 👀 you !!! Sick of Upper mgt getting away with despicable behaviour and being financially rewarded for it!! Enough!
Interesting you list Davey and Statmer, but not Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, and lil' Rishi too? Can't imagine why that is.
You do know education Secretary Gillian Keenan’s husband Michael was CEO also at Fujitsu until 2018! And two other tories in high places had high level jobs with Fujitsu. Look at the foulness in your own nest before you try and throw 💩at people who didn’t do anything as bad!
Ministers knew about this years ago ...as I did. ( I have no post office connection) ...so why did they all keep quiet for SO LONG ?
Vennells, Van den Bogarde, everyone of the PO mediation team and the PO prosecutors, accountable Fujitsu execs, all jail time. Davey and Cable, your political careers and reputations are in tatters, return your knighthoods, resign and never return to public office.
Well done Good Morning Britain, you did your research and passionately argued to reveal the truth and the issues which require further investigation to deliver justice to the innocent and prosecution of the truly guilty.
It’s clear that although current politicians have feigned shock and knowledge we now learn Fujitsu have been awarded a extended contract ! Explain the hypocrisy, they’ve been caught being duplicitous once again.
Sorry to say buddy but Fujitsu is integrated into most of the high sectors of our country nothing will happen to it.
And can you tell us the name of the minister who signed off on it ,well it was 1999 so I wonder what colours the government was ?
@@1957bumpy1995/96 Blue if you had checked.
And these mp's call themselves honourable men what a joke.
and women
Well there are honourable MPs. James Arbuthnot and Andrew Bridgen were outspoken over many years on behalf of the subpostmasters.
Why is the tax payer having the burden of the compensation payments.
When Fujitsu profited from the government contract.
It should be them & all the individual's who hounded these poor people to stand the costs incurred.
Seems they are rewarded for abject failure at all levels
The post masters had to pay the post office for the so called shortages so what did the post office do with that money? Paid bonuses?
A Tory minister in charge of PO from 2020 does not know who gave her a CBE in 2019.....yeah right!
It's usually a committee and many levels before any thing is signed off , so not so simple fella !
And who where the others in charge from 2000 ?
So on what basis was she given this honour then ? (many years into the scandal !!!)@@ingmarsen
If youre not royals or an MP you & your life are insignificant, proven time and time again.
People keep waving flags at Royalty because we're brainwashed by the compliant sections of the media.
Or an illegal gimmigrant then you get a brand new appartment built for the homeless !
Nick Wallis is such an outstanding communicator, kudos to him for being almost as indefatigable as Alan Bates.
Thank you for sharing the latest information .Very useful and informative ..Great 🇮🇩😍😍
No more public enquiries costing millions just a well investigated and delivered tv documentary seems to work no bent judges
no money grabbing barristers
No vested interests
No gov
No civil service
No consultents
No management cover ups
No intimidation
No lies
And truth paramount.
have you thought this through?
No , I agree with him
Sound alike a few prosecutors thought they’d make a name for themselves, all need to be held accountable. I couldn’t even imagine this
I think i would be fair to just absolve all charges, pay each person £1.000.000 within the coming weeks and let the inquiries get on with it.
If anymore compensation is due to different people for whatever reason after this, then so be it.
Don't delay the payouts, it's not right.
Too late she's handed it back now go after Davey for his knighthood to be withdrawn
Paula Vennells was carrying out the actions that the government wanted to happen so she was rewarded for it. It’s that simple. The government pretending that she was some kind of rogue actor is hilarious.
One person with questions to answer is Dr Robert Worden, the expert witness for the post office. He presented a strawman of the claiments case, saying they were suggesting some form of "backward causality". The guy is either ignorant of basic statistics, or else was lying. Given that he has a PhD in mathematics (from Cambridge no less), which do you think is the case?
It needs to be determined if senior executives of the PO committed a criminal act and, if so, they need to stand trial. The token gesture of returning one's CBE and submitting a lame apology will not do. Executives of any organisation need to understand that they cannot act in this manner.
Forget the CBE - it's a hollow and meaningless award considering her reputation is rock bottom. What everyone should be asking now is - where are the police? After three years of the enquiry, no files have been handed to police, two Fujitsu workers have been questioned but not arrested...and nobody from the Post Office has even been questioned for perjury etc.
SHOCKING
38 degrees
Petition to remove the CBE ofvPauoa Vennells CEO of Post office pushing forward with the prosecutions in court.
Was she not previously an anglican priest ? !!!
Correct me if wrong.
What about ed Davey and Vince cable..they were involved as well.
Good pay day for the legal profession.
They still use the Horizon system today.
Nothing will change until politicians are held accountable for bad decisions just like everyone else .
But they are....it's called an election and it happens every 4/5 years. Trouble is even after 14 years of nonsense some will still vote for the 'bad decision' makers.
And police officers too
Jail time for the Post Office Management and Chief Excecutives
as far as the compensation goes, imagine if the tories put the same people on it that do disability allowances, that will ensure no pay outs and will take forever.
GREAT QUESTIONING.
It’s now been admitted by ministers that over 3,000 sub postmasters may have been wrongly accused in this saga. There was a pilot scheme of the Horizon computer system in 1995/6. This showed up irregularities and several postmasters were prosecuted. Regardless of this red flag the system was rolled out years later.
Why should tax payers have to pay up, it should be Fujitsu surely.
Thank you for publicizing this atrocious injustice. How is it possible that those actually responsible will walk away Scot-Free?
Disgraceful, they need to answer for what they have done, these people who ended up in trouble are the people we all relate to and this could happen again because if the type of people given these high profile jobs.
Maybe this is the "build back better" that politicians keep harping on about.
ACCOUNTABILTY AT ALL LEVELS.
Why was there no reaction to many investigations into Horizon by many agencies such as Radio4 who did a 6 episode fact finding programme.Realy good.
Paula vennells should be in jail
Where is Fijutsu in uk. People should be protesting outside it.
Those in charge, who were highly paid, all now say they don’t know how this could have happened. Our legal system is also, sadly, shown to be inept, being driven by money rather than seeking after truth and justice. It’s a sad mess we are in as a country. I can only imagine how much covering of tracks is now going on. In my view, every lawyer too who maliciously harassed people they knew were innocent, should be made to pay back every penny of their fees and/or go to jail. But of course that won’t happen. Inevitably, in a few weeks the intense media attention will move on to something else.
Post Office scandle,Dodgy Chief Exccutives and Mangement should all be found guilty and held accountable for their criminal activity
This had made my blood boil!
Ministers to be held to account and jailed before its lost.
I feel so much for these victims, Honda, my previous employer ruined my life ten years ago.
I suffer with chronic back pain, unable to work, I’ve lost my 4 bed house, my relationship, my life savings, any pension/retirement plans, it’s completely destroyed me.
The company washed their hands of me when they decided to go back to Japan.
At the age of 54, I never thought my life would end like this, I struggle every day to keep going, I just don’t see a point anymore.
The Danger of incompetence at the top.
Fujitsu have actually been given Billions in gouvernment and local authority and education authority contracts last year alone
The Post Office alone since April last year has 2 contracts with Fujitsu
1 .Extension of Horizon Data Centre Operations and Central Network Services - 2.3 Billion
2. Extension of the Data Centre Operations and Central Network Services (Including Test Infrastructure) 2.4 billion
I did think in order to bid on any government contracts companies had to be on a DTI approval list for safe and reputable companies
Why then If Fujitsu have already committed perjury over Issues with a government contract is it still on this list ?
Get her on the tv show to answer the questions
As soon as you hear "there are lessons to be learned" you know something is wrong.
Forget "appeals" and more stress and time wasting for these poor people. Put them back on the position they would have been in if they were still working for the post office, includiing fully funded full pensions, mortgage free homes and fulsome apologies not only to the victims and their families : also full page apologies with photos to those whose lives they RUINED.
Criminal proceedings against those executives both in Fujitsu and in the Post Office must result in LENGTHY PRISON SENTENCES.