Yes, the carriages were full of asbestos, a cloud of dust and ash would blow up when you sat down, and you’d bounce all over the place, but I do miss those BR Mk I seats. Fell asleep on those a few times. Happy I got to experience those days.
they are what you call seats comfortable well padded not like they are now hard as a rock like sitting on concrete the only seats i like is on the 395 high speed i went on the bluebell railway and sat in one of coaches it was lovely glad heritage railway have preserved them to bring back memories of coaches were like then
I've always found it ironic that the old 3rd Class was far more comfortable than today's 1st(?) Class. Pre SWR refurbishment 159s are still some of the most comfortable trains on the network, I tried to get the management to retain the padding & just change the moquette. Sadly they put firmer seats in 🙄
very nice ! having lived in the southern region in my youth, we got a nice collection of rolling stock - it was great to see so many of them here - personally my favourite was when I commuted between Brighton and London Victoria - the gatwick express rolling seats in standard class was very comfortable and I got to London faster than some of my co-workers who lived in the suburbs of the capital ! happy times.
My favourite was the BR mk. 1 compo. Loved bashing Hoovers in the West Country in those. Plenty of comfort, privacy, and ease of ventilation. The worst, probably the Pacers and Skippers, railbuses, ie, buses on rails!
I want to start a Campaign for Real Seats (like CAMRA, only it is for the abandonment of Ironing Board seats that are like sitting on concrete. Our slogan could be "We demand better seats. We pay too much fare to be treated worse than cattle". People power. Spread the word. You know it makes sense.
I build these seats for a heritage railway now. It's pretty obvious why they aren't used mainstream any more. They can easily take 20 hours to make one. Some of the longer seats and those like Trojan (1:09) have to have the vertical stripes line up as the cushion and back are separate parts. They can take even longer!
@@1171karl If anything, they are probably LESS vandal resistant. The foam can be replaced quickly but once damaged, it cannot be re-used. The old ones use hair and canvas. You literally can't do damage to the loose horsehair inside. The canvas inside that it is stitched to can be sewn and the moquette (top layer) can even be repaired on the move if need be.
@1171Karl There are advantages to the new seats, such as fire retardant, crash worthiness, and weight reduction. But none of these factors alters the fact they are really uncomfortable !
The LNER 'third class'' saloons (two types) at 0:15 and the GWR saloon at 0:34, the original BR MK 2 at 1:29 and the third Mk 3 (HST) interior at 2:10 are all greatly superior to what we get today in main line trains (Pendolino, Azuma). The Mk 3 coach refitted with high-backed, airline layout seating at 2:15 shows how, post-privatisation, even good BR stock has been ruined. The photos do make the seating look wider than it was or is - it looks like a wide-angle lens has been used. An accurely-dimensioned projection is needed.
I've been a train-nerd since about 1970 and in fact worked for British Rail 1972 to 1987 so have whitnessed first hand the decline in seating standards so we now have Ryanair-style management of the TOCs introducing Ryanair-style comfort. I recently went to a presentation by Northern Rail managers at a local users' group meeting, and thought - what a pair of immoral manipulative moneygrabbers. They were two men you wouldn't trust with anything. No wonder the purpose of British Transport Police is simply to protect Train Companies - not to protect passengers!
Hi would you be able to tell me where and when the 3rd picture of the Southern coach was taken as the person in it looks like my late Father in law as he loved the the heritage lines being an ex fireman on steam trains.
01:55 The seating arrangement at the top looks a bit odd. I remember some of the others though. They weren't really designed for hustle and bustle but what really unnerved me was the inability (in some cases) to move up or down the train. There remain numerous unsolved murders where this situation was exploited.
What makes something "iconic"? I often wonder. Sure these carriages are so much more comfortable than their present day counterparts, but they are, thankfully still very common on heritage lines. So what then makes something "iconic"? Just from the PoV of discussion?
A seat that does NOT give backache or a numb bum would be iconic. Have you tried an Azuma, for 8 hours to the north of Scotland ? Even in 1st Class, the Ironing Board seats are like sitting on concrete. Long distance train travel should be a pleasure.
@polythenewrappedme6102 Thinking back to the early days of railways, when companies would provide footwarmers for a suitable fee, wouldn't it be ironic (😏) if they began doing the same thing with cushions for today's longer distance passengers? Perhaps it's unwise to flag up thinking like that. The lost days of the upholsterer's art...
I also mourn the loss of dining cars ! Had some fabulous meals on the Alaska Railroad, VIA Rail Canada, Rocky Mountaineer, MAV in Hungary and CP in Portugal.
@@polythenewrappedme6102 And Buffet cars in the UK...the only form of catering on most lines today if you are lucky will be a trolley service. Even that doesn't work on a packed train either😡
@geoffcorker6882. The cold sarnies and cheap snacks they serve on East Coast in First Class does not merit the fare. Ditto West Coast and Great Western. I have yet to sample Gerald on Arriva Trains Wales (the Class 67 set). Compared to find dining on the Alaska Railroad (roast loin of bison cooked in port wine), fine dining on the Rocky Mountaineer and VIA Rail in Canada that has 6 meals a day included in the Canadian, including wines, beers and spirits, and superb hearty Sunday Roasts on private Portuguese trains, and private Hungarian trains, we are looking out !
These represent train train in an age your bum did not go numb from sitting on concrete. The new Ironing Board seats are a nightmare. Try 8 hours to the north of Scotland from Kings Cross. Then you will truly understand !
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Yes, the carriages were full of asbestos, a cloud of dust and ash would blow up when you sat down, and you’d bounce all over the place, but I do miss those BR Mk I seats. Fell asleep on those a few times. Happy I got to experience those days.
they are what you call seats comfortable well padded not like they are now hard as a rock like sitting on concrete the only seats i like is on the 395 high speed i went on the bluebell railway and sat in one of coaches it was lovely glad heritage railway have preserved them to bring back memories of coaches were like then
I've always found it ironic that the old 3rd Class was far more comfortable than today's 1st(?) Class. Pre SWR refurbishment 159s are still some of the most comfortable trains on the network, I tried to get the management to retain the padding & just change the moquette. Sadly they put firmer seats in 🙄
Honestly feels like the people who are making the decisions, have never rode on a train in their lives
very nice ! having lived in the southern region in my youth, we got a nice collection of rolling stock - it was great to see so many of them here - personally my favourite was when I commuted between Brighton and London Victoria - the gatwick express rolling seats in standard class was very comfortable and I got to London faster than some of my co-workers who lived in the suburbs of the capital ! happy times.
They REALLY don't build them like they used to. Back then you got sofas, nowadays you get ironing boards
We'll be in cattle trucks in another 20 years!
My favourite was the BR mk. 1 compo. Loved bashing Hoovers in the West Country in those. Plenty of comfort, privacy, and ease of ventilation. The worst, probably the Pacers and Skippers, railbuses, ie, buses on rails!
You should try 8 hours on an Azuma to Aviemore or Inverness.
I want to start a Campaign for Real Seats (like CAMRA, only it is for the abandonment of Ironing Board seats that are like sitting on concrete. Our slogan could be "We demand better seats. We pay too much fare to be treated worse than cattle". People power. Spread the word. You know it makes sense.
I build these seats for a heritage railway now. It's pretty obvious why they aren't used mainstream any more. They can easily take 20 hours to make one. Some of the longer seats and those like Trojan (1:09) have to have the vertical stripes line up as the cushion and back are separate parts. They can take even longer!
I never thought of this, but makes sense. I thought todays seats were the way they are just to be more vandal resistant
@@1171karl If anything, they are probably LESS vandal resistant. The foam can be replaced quickly but once damaged, it cannot be re-used. The old ones use hair and canvas. You literally can't do damage to the loose horsehair inside. The canvas inside that it is stitched to can be sewn and the moquette (top layer) can even be repaired on the move if need be.
@1171Karl There are advantages to the new seats, such as fire retardant, crash worthiness, and weight reduction. But none of these factors alters the fact they are really uncomfortable !
Give me an BR MK 1, 2, or 3 coach any day. British Rail never had Class 170s.
Sadly 170s are luxury compared to Azumas, 800s, etc. Spent 8 hours from Kings Cross to Aviemore. Even in 1st Class, still got a numb bum.
The LNER 'third class'' saloons (two types) at 0:15 and the GWR saloon at 0:34, the original BR MK 2 at 1:29 and the third Mk 3 (HST) interior at 2:10 are all greatly superior to what we get today in main line trains (Pendolino, Azuma). The Mk 3 coach refitted with high-backed, airline layout seating at 2:15 shows how, post-privatisation, even good BR stock has been ruined. The photos do make the seating look wider than it was or is - it looks like a wide-angle lens has been used. An accurely-dimensioned projection is needed.
I've been a train-nerd since about 1970 and in fact worked for British Rail 1972 to 1987 so have whitnessed first hand the decline in seating standards so we now have Ryanair-style management of the TOCs introducing Ryanair-style comfort. I recently went to a presentation by Northern Rail managers at a local users' group meeting, and thought - what a pair of immoral manipulative moneygrabbers. They were two men you wouldn't trust with anything. No wonder the purpose of British Transport Police is simply to protect Train Companies - not to protect passengers!
Hi would you be able to tell me where and when the 3rd picture of the Southern coach was taken as the person in it looks like my late Father in law as he loved the the heritage lines being an ex fireman on steam trains.
01:55 The seating arrangement at the top looks a bit odd. I remember some of the others though. They weren't really designed for hustle and bustle but what really unnerved me was the inability (in some cases) to move up or down the train. There remain numerous unsolved murders where this situation was exploited.
Great review but no MK2F 😮
They all look good from inside. A lot of the patterns on the seats of the LNER, GWR, LMS and Southern classes look Indian. 😂
You've missed a few classes out on this.
Where’s the mk4?.
What makes something "iconic"? I often wonder. Sure these carriages are so much more comfortable than their present day counterparts, but they are, thankfully still very common on heritage lines.
So what then makes something "iconic"? Just from the PoV of discussion?
A seat that does NOT give backache or a numb bum would be iconic. Have you tried an Azuma, for 8 hours to the north of Scotland ? Even in 1st Class, the Ironing Board seats are like sitting on concrete. Long distance train travel should be a pleasure.
@polythenewrappedme6102 Thinking back to the early days of railways, when companies would provide footwarmers for a suitable fee, wouldn't it be ironic (😏) if they began doing the same thing with cushions for today's longer distance passengers? Perhaps it's unwise to flag up thinking like that.
The lost days of the upholsterer's art...
I also mourn the loss of dining cars !
Had some fabulous meals on the Alaska Railroad, VIA Rail Canada, Rocky Mountaineer, MAV in Hungary and CP in Portugal.
@@polythenewrappedme6102 And Buffet cars in the UK...the only form of catering on most lines today if you are lucky will be a trolley service. Even that doesn't work on a packed train either😡
@geoffcorker6882. The cold sarnies and cheap snacks they serve on East Coast in First Class does not merit the fare. Ditto West Coast and Great Western. I have yet to sample Gerald on Arriva Trains Wales (the Class 67 set).
Compared to find dining on the Alaska Railroad (roast loin of bison cooked in port wine), fine dining on the Rocky Mountaineer and VIA Rail in Canada that has 6 meals a day included in the Canadian, including wines, beers and spirits, and superb hearty Sunday Roasts on private Portuguese trains, and private Hungarian trains, we are looking out !
What exactly was "iconic" about these coaches? I wish people would stop using that word for no good reason.
These represent train train in an age your bum did not go numb from sitting on concrete. The new Ironing Board seats are a nightmare. Try 8 hours to the north of Scotland from Kings Cross. Then you will truly understand !