Thomas Lang: "Traditional Grip Vs Matched Grip" (Drum & Music Lesson) - Part 1
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Un appassionante lezione di Storia con un insegnante d'eccezione, Thomas Lang. Il prodigioso batterista sale in cattedra per raccontarci la storia dell'Impugnatura Tradizionale, impostazione tecnica batteristica che affonda le radici in tempi lontani di marce e battaglie.
Recentemente abbiamo incontrato Thomas Lang per parlare del suo ultimo disco "ProgPop." L'occasione ci ha offerto il pretesto per coinvolgerlo in una serie di appunttamenti e lezioni esclusive qui su Accordo. Lang ha realizzato per noi un ricco e approfondito confronto tra "Traditional Grip Vs Match Grip". Questa è la prima parte, interamenyte dedicata alla storia dell'impugnatura tradizionale. _______________
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This is the best explanation I've seen.
Yup, but not quite. Military drummers were also used to drum commands from generals to the fields, where lower ranking officers then shouted them to the cannon fodder. Different short rudiment based stickings all meant different commands, and the field officer had to then ofcourse know them from each other. You can load a free pdf transcription/notes for U.S. infantrys and cavalrys drum rudiment commands from the interwes. I have 'Retreat'-command notation tattoed in my chest.😂 That message drumming job is why both armies tried to shoot each others drummers asap and cut the line of command. Drummers are the unsung heroes of the war history. Mr Lang should be aware of that too, his fore-drummers did a little bit lot more, than just strutted in the parades, drummers were targets for a very hostile collateral audiences for decades and decades over. ...I wonder if that is why so many drummers are alcoholics, it's in the job.
I had the same experience with my first drum teacher. He said ‘you hold the stick like THIS’ - and gave me traditional grip.
After many years of practicing rudiments that way, it stuck - of course it did. Now it feels ‘normal’ to me - but I don’t really believe it has any real advantage over matched for most drum set playing, other than it sometimes impresses other drummers in some circles (Jazz!)
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I didn't start until after high school and I gave traditional grip an honest chance but abandoned it. Perhaps it's just that my fingers are short and my forearm doesn't rotate as much as most people. It seemed like I would have to release my index and middle finger and use the thumb only for any stroke with force and it felt to me like I wouldn't have decent control. I even went as far as getting my head right next to my teacher to get the player's eve view to double check that I was gripping it properly.
Marching band drummers almost exclusively use traditional grip and jazz drummers almost
always use traditional grip. There are advantages that are present even though it may
seem weird to continue using this grip. You play mallet instruments and timpani
matched grip and all of the other orchestral percussion instruments. It makes sense
to teach beginners matched because of the simplicity, but if a drummer in a school
band wants to ever play snare drum, he or she will need to learn traditional grip.
It is what it is even though it makes no sense on the surface. Keep on drumming!
I’m 68 years old and use traditional grip only because I’m better at it than matched. I’ve tried and tried to develop matched grip but the harder I work the better my traditional grip becomes. I think matched grip would be better for larger kits.
There's not much reason to use traditional nowadays, other than to keep tradition and look cool. I use it though, I don't know why, but it kinda feels better in my left hand. I played matched for years, once I tried traditional it just kinda clicked, I don't know. I play matched every now and then, but once I was able to do stuff I never managed to do with matched, it was kind of a no brainer for me.
Erskine said in an interview that the drum set actually was designed around tradional grip, as well as the vocabulary. The movement and the posture kind of forces the player to relax.
I would agree with him in those terms. And for my taste, rudiments felt much more even and the basic coordination is kind of regulated.
Matched felt much better when playing wild and free. At least in my opinion.
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@@jazzhole8208 That makes sense. Cheers!
I quess it depends on the way you learned it when you were young,even Neil Peart loved the traditional grip because of what he called'The musical fluidity.
Hello to everyone, actually there is a difference in traditional grip, it sounds lighter by nature and has a slight more resonant stick and drum sound, so it creates a contrast with how the right hand(matched) sounds and this makes it more interesting as a sound. But, if your kind of music is loud then these details don,t cut through the mix and stop being important. so matched grip should be better in those cases. on the other hand ..there is cases which are a mixture of things and that are not so one dimensional as dynamics concern so you might use both, etc.
Lang's a beast
Part 2?
I like it
Yeah. Traditional is not the way to go actually. But you still can. But for practical reasons. You don't have to.
Freddie Gruber will talk until the cows come home about how there isn't much of a difference between these two grips - a concept which I still find difficult to understand. - Dave Weckl.
I play matched...
I never knew Jean-Claude Van Damme played drums.
Traditional grip is only that... Traditional. It doesn't make you a better drummer, just makes you look like a "serious" drummer. Lol.