If Thales exported them to the US it'd be good to see how the F90 as a modernised AUG variant competes with these newest bullpups, and how the advances such as being even lighter again, more accurate, having more rail space and accessory mounts would score.
@@Howjadoo22 It was in New Zealand and perpetrated by an Australian. New Zealanders were able to own full autos prior to then. I remember seeing racks of surplus M16A1's brought in from Vietnam in 2015, no doubt leftover from the war there. There were also surplus Thompson's from the second world war brought in from Russia of all places (a lot were given to them under the Lend Lease Act but were never returned due to strict US import laws) along with other full autos. And there were even a few Stg44's and FG42's that were no where near how outrageously expensive they are in the US. And Chinese NHM-90 semi auto AK's for those without the automatic license for about $600 brand new. It's strange for Americans to think that surplus guns can only be bolt action rifles or M1 Garands and the like because of shitty US gun and import laws.
Please do add the desert tech mdrx to this listing! Your breakdown is one of the best I've seen and it would really help me make an educated decision when choosing between picking up one of these bullpups
I don't see any advantage of this rifle over the RDB. RDB has a more ergonomic (faster) safety, bolt release, mag release. RDB has a bolt hold open both with the release itself and the HK style charging handle. RDB has tuneable gas system with 21 setttings, this has 2 settings. Shooting the RDB left handed requires no changes. If you want you can reverse the charging handle in 30 seconds. The 20" version of the RDB is 30.5" - the 16" version of the VHS2 is 29.75". 4" more barrel for less than an inch overall length. Really the only argument I see against the RDB is "I don't like Kel-Tec", "It has too much plastic" or "I can't check the chamber without flipping the rifle over" (that one is valid)
i feel like the name alone is going to do a lot to kill sales of it. "hellion" it just sounds so stupid! whoever came up with that name should be fired.
Haha, yeah I agree. When I first read it I thought to myself "who in the world comes up with these silly names?" I hope they stop with the "Hell" stuff because if they don't the names are going to get progressively more silly. Thanks for watching.
Former Croatian soldiers here who was issued both the VHS-1 and VHS-2, that is in fact a forward assist or rather manual charging mechanism. Haven't actually ever had to use it as such, so I'm not sure if it is actually effective.
I'm an AUG bro and can't disagree. There are fixes for its various issues, and I get military contract requirements preclude innovation, but now we have stateside manufacturing it would be nice to see Steyr USA implementing some changes in a potential A4
I love my A3M1 to death, but I've dumped almost what I paid for the gun into it again to address a lot of these shortcomings. Better trigger (sear), suppressor gas regulator, sling points, extended mag release, etc. The model being shown off at IWA makes me hopeful, but you just can't count on Steyr for the commercial market.
@@acarmory people love to hate Kel-tec, but it's a seriously fantastic rifle. If it was redesigned to be ruggedized to Milspec needs, the layout, the balance, the ejection, the controls, so brilliant, so comfy. It's lighter than most too. The s model is crazy light.
I love keltec but I dont think it fits in this segment since there is no military using them and it has some substantial flaws. These three are battle proven military grade.
Pronounces Hell ian... Hellian. Not Hell e yawn. Think, "...little hellions, kids feeling rebellious, embarrassed that their parents still listen to Elvis..."
you can upgrade the AUG trigger with the 20/20 sear and the new spring set that Steyr recently released that would make the trigger much crisper and lighter. My AUG trigger is now between 5.5 to 6 lbs and zero creep.
@Chris G I think the VHS will be easier to get sooner than the SA35 and other in demand guns. HS Produkt does nearly everything in house so supply issues are somewhat reduced.
True, and the VHS uses AR grips which means you have a variety of grips. Colors I didn't really think of, the AUG is available in different colors too, but then you're just one rattle can away from a new color. I suspect the VHS will have more colors in the future. The stocks are almost certainly being made here for compliance reasons. I know that's the case for the X95 for example.
@@Militaryarmschannel Funny how X95 shown in the video is SBR and all spec was from the US 16" version. I found that the 13" SBR X95(only 22" OAL and 7.5lbs) has quite a bit better feeling than the 16" version(goofy square buttpad, and MA one makes it doesn't stand muzzle up). As for suppression, yes VHS wins. But X95 can use high-energy recoil spring and gasket port cover to make it pretty good. Since true X95 is 6-8" shorter than the VHS, I would say X95 wins to those who prefer a shorter rifle and more AR-like controls. And VHS wins for taller people and need a bullpup to be more precise at longer range.
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In terms of durability and reliability the MDR had problems but new models seem to be better but remain unproven. The RDB however, well kel tec and too much plastic says it all right there, it just ain't a high round count gun.
@@Hunting-jr1mp Well the sub2000k track record and polymer technology would disagree with you 🙂. Remember she of the biggest advanced in firearms is polymer (Glock, Magpul, TV)
@@blacklilac1408 Glock internals r not polymer nearly to the level of kel tec. And when I am talking round counts I'm thinking in the tens of thousands, something that I gaurentee a Glock will do much better than any kel tec.
@@Hunting-jr1mp A RDB can do thousands of rounds same with a sub 2000. If anything goes wrong send it to them it's a lifetime warranty. Also when is the Glock rifle coming out?
I'd prefer the Steyr, seems to be the only rifle that's outlasted all its competitors in the bullpup world. There has to be a reason for it, I know it can't be Steyr's marketing department.
It's the build quality and longevity. My STG77 was more than 30 years old when I had my military service and it was still a nice shooter despite going through two sets of conscripts a year.
It's happening now. A few places are selling it in the low $1600 range while 6 local dealers have one or more in stock at the MSRP range. So, there's no shortage of VHS. Only 1 of them has an X95 and I don't see new ones that often anymore.
Looking at the chart, the takeaway is that the VHS is a little heavy and you get what you get without many options to modify. If you're looking for a bullpup with the best bang for you buck out of the box, seems like the VHS is a no brainer.
The one category I would add is over all compactness and rear-ward bias, as these features are the primary advantages of bullpups when it comes to cqb. The vhs2 is about 2 inches longer than the x95, with a longer length of pull. If you pin the flash hider on the x95, and add the flat buttpad, the difference in length is about 3.5, that is very significant. For a general purpose rifle I would choose the vhs2, but for a dedicated home defense/cqb rifle the x95 is superior.
Once you SBR the X95 and swap to a 13" barrel... Honorable mention to a 14.7" barrel on a AUG *if* you can find one. One nice feature with the AUG is you can have a suppressor tuned barrel, a longer 20 LMG barrel, ect. Just seconds to swap between them, and if you remember the zeros for each one pretty easy to adjust the sights and confirm/tweak zero.
@@micah66048 Yeah, if you go the SBR route the x95 is ridiculously compact. I like the Aug as well, just something about the aesthetics doesn't sit right with me.
@@mohawk3371 Only reason now days to go AUG over the others is if you buy a full auto one. But they're about $37k right now. Side note, one feature I liked about the old AUG was the mags. 42rds. So for a standard NATO loadout of 210rds that is only 4 mags on your chest and one in the rifle, vs 6x30rd for AR styles. And with the stock being the way it was, it worked okay prone. Slower reloads, but reload less often? Huh, sounds like a P90 problem 🙂
Nobody seems to report on the measured length of pull on these things. 😂 Compared to the AR/AK platforms that the tester actually uses would be welcome too. What is interesting, is that anytime a presenter/youtuber is walking through one of these they usually seem to default to allowing the stock to ride over their shoulder or upper arm, or, grab it by the magazine.
What about a row for overall length: smaller being better since that's the point of a bullpup? VHS looked giant in that side by side shot, but maybe the x95 shown is SBR'd?
Something to remember. The Aug was built in 1977 and far exceeded technology back then. Yes, it could include a few updates but still is one of my favorite bullpups
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@@fmonk That’s just crazy. I’m waiting until it come to around 1700-1800 range. No rush for me. Maybe by the time I purchase it, they might have a Gen 2 version with upgrades and fixes, wishing thinking I guess, lol.
Your saying the word wrong. It's hell-yun. (At least where im from, which is Ohio, so our accents are the same) I'm sure you've heard that word before and used in the context the definition describes. That being said, yeah I would have chose a different name.
I noticed thing you missed in your video - and that’s ok since you don’t live in NJ. While the VHS is a super cool rifle and I really want it (I love me bullpups and have trained so much on them that I’m having problems going back to non-bullpups lol) - the adjustable length of pull makes of impossible/improbable to own. NJ requires that your stock be pinned (for god knows what fucking reason), because I own a Tavor it skirts this rule very nicely, but in the VHS I would have to pin that stock to stop it being adjustable, which LITERALLY means it “breaks” the gun as now I can’t disassemble it. So while sadly I cannot purchase the VHS because of state laws (and I want it so bad - cmon let’s be honest - it looks like a battle rifle from halo 🤫), the X95 gives me a purchasable bullpup platform that I can use from day 1 without modifications. On a more positive note - I really do like that more gun companies are producing bullpups. I know the gun community loves to argue about the validity or usefulness of bull pup rifles versus more normal styled rifles, but I like that gun companies are embracing the variety ☺️👍
It's hard to keep up with all the various jurisdictional restrictions across the country. I don't typically try to get into those because it's so easy to misspeak. Thanks for your post though so folks in your state know why the rifle isn't available.
I think if the VHS that is imported here has a chrome lined HF barrel, it would be a rifle that could not only beat the other 2 rifles but, it could easily hold it's own as a good alternative to an AR-15.
Really disappointed that these rifles are assessed not on their own merits but through the lens of being an AR-15 user. These ratings should be taken with a grain of salt.
There is inherent bias in everything, but, I believe he should base the review off of an average time in speed reloads, admin reloads, and accuracy from different shooting positions.
There are other manufacturers out there doing just as bad. Take Daniel Defense. Their rifles sound like something Mercedes would do with all the random letter and number combos that don't mean anything. Glock is also just as back with their numbers that don't coincide with damn near anything.
The ATF batch disapproved seemingly all Form 1 silencers yesterday. People who did not make any indication about intentions to buy a kit or anything like that. For all the ATF knows, these are people with no material at all or just blocks of metal. The reason given was that they now find any parts intended to be turned into a silencer as a silencer, therefor you can’t Form 1 a silencer because it requires you to obtain parts to make a silencer which they recognize as already being one.
Texas just started a lawsuit with them yesterday and will take it all the way to the Supreme Court and if it's made in Texas you can buy it in Texas, I think Arkansas fixing to do the same thing with Ammo and gun manufacturers
I have been waiting for my tax stamp for a year now. The ATF is "still reviewing" my application... Only government could be this slow. I could have gotten something delivered from Nepal via ox cart and sailing ship in less time than it takes those clowns to look at some paperwork.
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Hey, Tim. Unrelated, but my rough understanding is that the Foxtrot Mike FM-15 is essentially the DI version of the BRN-180. I'd love to see two very similar rifles compared. Ex. 16" 5.56, etc.
I will talk about the FM-15 here soon. I do have one. It's really a copy of a Rock River Arms rifle, which I also have - the LAR-PDS rifle. The LAR PDS has been out of production for some time now though: www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=123
@@Militaryarmschannel PDS is best "what could have been" in the gun world today. I drilled and pinned mine, new trigger, ALG, new stock. So close, just an evolutionary dead end.
X95 wins by default over VHS 2 because it is like 4 inches shorter overall and that's really the only thing that matters with a bullpup when the entire concept is a compromise to get the shortest package.
@@Militaryarmschannel Hell, it could've been my own bias for the x95. To me when you were going down the list it seemed as if you were trying to keep the vhs neck and neck with the x95.
The lack of a manual bolt hold open is a deal breaker for me. A manual bolt hold open is essential for troubleshooting malfunctions. Otherwise you might feel like you need 3 or more hands to fix a malfunction if something goes wrong. You don’t need a feature on a gun till you do. Shoot a gun long enough and you will.
Idk why you mention that when ALL of these DO HAVE manual bolt hold opens, the Hellion is a simple tab behind the mag well, AUG and X-95 have an HK like notch, plus... I dont think ive every had a malfunction i couldnt clear with 1 hand, and if i did.... it required complete dissasembly
That's only due to the recent introduction of the Hellion, just like any new firearm with limited distribution. Both are the same MSRP of $1,999. I'd imagine that by the end of the year, both will be much more similarly priced.
I don’t know if it’s because I’m already familiar with the AR 15, but this seems waaaaay more complicated. Cool little gun though- I’m definitely bull pup curious- 😁
Good video and nice points to look at for the rifles. I recently bought X95 and changed it a bunch. Price of any of these three is higher than what most people can or want to afford. I have not shot the X95 yet but will soon. My upgrades changed a lot of the categories. I will still be getting the VHS at some point
Thanks for this comparison, Tim! I have actually been wanting to add a bullpup to my collection in the near future and was considering the X95 or maybe the DT MDRX. Then the Hellion came out and I wasn't sure any more. But I admittedly still kind of hold a grudge against Springfield for that anti-gun campaign donation crap they did so the Hellion wasn't heavily in the running. I think I might shoot for the X95. Thanks for the video!
If you do get the x95 be aware it prefers heavier bullets like 75/77 gr. I would recommend getting the grip replacement with the traditional trigger guard on it.
I like both the standard rifle and the SBR X-95 myself. Very fun. I have zero issues with either of them and for mine, they shoot anything 55 grain or above.
I would go with the X95...I love mine. However, just take into consideration. That the X95 (barrel) is graded as "combat accurate." Which means it's about 2-3 MOA. The civilian X95 is the exact same as what the IDF uses. Except for the trigger group....we get semi and IDF gets select fire. Outside of that, the X95 makes an excellent all around rifle. It's compact, so easy to get in and out of vehicles, Easy to use inside a dwelling. But you still get good range and velocity with the 16" barrel. Yes it's a bit heavy. All the weight is in the rear. You can hold the X95 with your trigger hand and reload a mag. Without ever taking the rifle off your shoulder. Lastly, the X95 is well proven in combat as the AUG is. But the ergos on the X95 are similar to an AR.
@Armatis Reviews, I feel you, man. When the SA-58 "High Power" announced, that got me rethinking Springfield Armory and then the VHS-2, and then it came time to update my EDC and the Hellcat OSP was basically the perfect option for me, all but for my hatred of Springfield Armory.. Here's the thing that settled it for me: if I don't buy SA guns, who am I punishing? They're doing very well. Not enough people care or know about their shady politics to hurt them. And here I am, still holding a grudge over a "crime" against someone else, somewhere else, and I am going to punish myself for it? I bought the Hellcat. I will probably buy an SA-58 and a VHS-2 someday. It's just not worth it to me anymore to keep holding that grudge, to my detriment and not theirs. FWIW
I recommend the Tavor or the AUG to this day. The Tavor is perfect for desert and hot environments and the AUG is a proven winter and ice weapon system.
@@sweetcostarica if I had to make an opinion I would say it seems like a good rifle but not for the price compared to the other two with a military history. The hellion would be a good American bullpup since accuracy seems to be the utmost priority. I would choose the Tavor over any of them because I've owned and used it extensively.
@@MyWatchIsEnded If you do not have an opinion... why did you just recommend the very reliable IWI Tavor and the unreliable Steyr AUG?? Should not you have said nothing until you have some experience with the VHS (Hellion)?? What the...?!? EDIT: Note I have owned & loved the IWI Tavor SAR version. I have only seen a Steyr AUG but it's extensive service record of high failures & breakage count it out.
I really hope that Springfield (or someone) makes a grip that emulates the look of the Croatian military version. Same wish for a G36 magazine well adapter. I am a sucker for authenticity!
How would you rate the Keltec RBD you reviewed last year, up against these guns? I know the Keltec is not being used by any military, but I'd still like a comparison.
I I love bullpups, never owned one but if I where to have the money I'd invest in tge hellion, it's a sweet set up. Great video as always, and a very fair test.
I personally think the sights category is irrelevant because most people will already have optics to put on their rifles so in my eyes that makes the X95 the best out of the 3. That would take 2 points from the X95 and only 1 from the Hellion bringing it to X95 - 21 to Hellion - 22
For my part I dont care about kit conversion and after market so it bring X95 to 21, Aug to 28 and VHS-2 to 17 After all it a point of view Fot me backup sights are usefull if the optic is damaged during fights.
Ambi also is in a weird place where if you're a righty it's kind of meaningless, but if you're a lefty it's the most important factor. So for me the others get penalized so heavily that the Hellion wins by a landslide (finding a left-handed tavor is so hard, and makes it way harder for any friends to shoot it)
with the OSS, are you using the suppressed setting or regular? I know my OSS acts very similar to non suppressed (not a lot of gas in face). When you do those tests, do you mind seeing if it will work with both settings(OSS can) ?
Hellion was originally meant to mean minion of hell or hell's minion which theye would call kids badly misbehaving. Its a play on the Sprinfield guns like the, "Saint" series.
At VHS has so many more moving parts than keltec RDB and just looks over complicated. I’ve had my RDB for over a year putting probably over 1000 rounds through it and the thing is flawless. It’s not a precision accurate weapon past 300 yards, but that’s not why I bought it. The point is I can easily hit a target at 300 yards with a full length 20 inch barrel. Significantly shorter than your standard A.R. 15 and definitely shorter than that VHS. I personally think it’s ugly. I bet it functions pretty well on there almost any condition but just looks like a nightmare.
Worth noting 2 things in regard to the rail accessories rating in the AUG. 1 is that the A2 had a top rail that sat much further forward. 2 is that you also have additional side picatinny rail in the A3. So you've got room for optics and a light/laser setup on the side. Honestly not really sure what other attachments you could possibly need or want, since suppressors were being looked at as their own category
Having had the opportunity to toy with a fair few, the reload will never be natural for me. Maybe if I had learned originally on a bullpup that might be different, but my brain just screams "you're doing it wrong dumbass!" Every time I reload. I honestly just like shorty standard configuration guns, if I *need* more velocity I just go with a larger gun.
About the same as an AUG and about 2 inches longer than a X95. 3rd Hellion 28.25″, 2nd AUG 28.15" and 1st X95 26.125″. Unless you have a 18.5" X95 then 30.5″.
Very good comparison. I'd been interested in the AUG ever since I went on a joint training exercise with some Australian Air Force folks. They carried the AUG. After seeing this comparison, though, I think I'd rather go with a Hellion or X95.
tavor x95 the barrel is garbage,...Harmonics and Tavor flash hider..remove flash hider, just thread protection AND THE GROUP improved to an inch/inch and a half at 100 yards...scope 10x
Love the “dagger of judgement” with an interesting outcome. Nuts and bolts question for the MAC crew. What is the process when a new gun comes in for review? Is it everyone tears it down than puts it back together, then shoot? Are there specific folks for specific tasks? Love the channel, keep up the good work!!
Springfield imports the XD series and Hellcats from HS Produkt aswell.The company quality machining is impressive as is the reliability of there firearms.I watched a video testing the metal grade showed they use a higher grade then other manufacturers.So I'd expect the same with the Bullpup.The Iraqis swear on its reliability aswell.A small company isn't a bad thing either as there's only limited position so the company has the luxury to employ the best people available.
Way back in 2015 I got some VHS mags when I was with the Croats on a NATO mission. They were pretty cool guys. All they wanted were Oakley glasses and Gerber multitools.
AUG has minimal railed areas which I don't like. AUG Trigger I find can work for accuracy, just gotta understand its way. Have the 3x on it which is quite nice. Amazing you can resolve inside 5 yards with it. Like ARs better but that's what I grew up on. Very accurate hammer forged barrel. A precision 100 yard 556 over the AR IMO. Cool engineering but that's STEYR for ya. Austria!
I agree 100% about the Hellion name. My bro and I literally both just got brand new Hellcats, and when he talks to me about it, I think he's talking about the Dodge vehicle. The names are stupid. But, then again, Springfield Armory is a STUPID name, too. It's basically Stolen Valor; change my mind. That aside, I really want a VHS-2, so... I don't even have a good reason. I got into guns via video games, years ago, and I always thought that FarCry made up that rifle. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever, and why would they use so many real guns and then this monstrosity?? And then I found out it was real, and I somehow love the absurdity of it now. A bullpup with a truncated, adjustable, M4 Stock and a modernized FAMAS carry handle rail? Sign me up! 🤣
Once the aftermarket picks up on the hellion its gonna be a huge winner. I'm not really a fan of anything other than AR type rifles but this has piqued my curiosity
It’s pronounced Hell-yun. When I was growing up, if you were a troublemaker, you were a little hellion. Damn right I’m buying one. Great review though, especially since I’m a lefty.
1 2 3 is not the best way to rate this. You really should be using a score system, like some number out of 10. Using the 1 2 3 system ALMOST guarantees you will end up with a tie, especially with two excellent contenders. With a 10 or 100 point system you will provide a more objective analysis of what each platform has to offer with some platforms ALL scoring very well, but with a clear leader. Just saying, Data Analyst and IT Engineer here. I do this crap all day
No comment, apart from loving the Paddyflage! Currently living in the states and thinking heavily towards adding a Hellion to the Armoury. God Bless America and the Second Amendment.
It's only about 2" longer than the X95. The X95 actually has a thickened butt plate so it meets the 26" minimum length requirement under US law. At 28" with the stock fully collapsed I wouldn't say the VHS is too long. It's one of the trade-offs for having that adjustable length of pull I suppose. Thanks for watching.
So what bullpup is the best suppressor host? I own a tavor, ordered a mdrx and owned an aug in the 90s been looking at the x95 and hellion for suppressing because the tavor is too overgassed. I'm in a wheelchair part time and hunt from one (Wounded in Afghanistan) I prefer a bullpup and own 9 suppressors. I bought both of my daughters a G22 bullpup and they love them now they want to move up, so I'm buying 3 new bullpups of the one that's best for suppressor use.
The one category I would add is the coolness of the product :) VHS-2 is one of the best looking piece of weapon on general, not just between these three.
My wife's grandfather could barely fit his finger in an 1894 pre 60's I saw him bend a 12 inch #5 rebar to a u with no effort his wife's hands would make yours look average my wife is small but her fourth son is 50 pounds just turned 3 Jan he thinks he is a dinosaur so do I
good luck getting a caliber conversion kit for the x95 and mi not even sure ig the 18.5 inch 556 barrel will work either. so call IWI US to what they say about this
I feel as though this may be a little biased. I don't own any bullpup rifles at the moment, but I have seen an X95 have a jam during a training class that kept the student from continuing. He had to do a full field strip to get the round out. I also don't know how I would feel about my sight rail being held together with some phillips screws like on the Helion. I think my choice would be the Aug simply due to the track record.
Now that the brace junk is doing whatever, a bullpup might become my truck gun. I don’t need legalities going against me if I do ever need to use the gun. I think I’ll pass on the Hellion, but I love the famas style look of it, the full ambi capabilities, and the smooth action. I don’t like that it doesn’t have a specific bolt hold button.
If Thales exported them to the US it'd be good to see how the F90 as a modernised AUG variant competes with these newest bullpups, and how the advances such as being even lighter again, more accurate, having more rail space and accessory mounts would score.
They promised years ago then gave up. Probably Australian government anti gun pressure.
@@humanbass Pretty sure there was a shooting (I think in Australia), and they felt it was no longer "appropriate" to sell the rifle to civilians.
@@Howjadoo22 It was in New Zealand and perpetrated by an Australian. New Zealanders were able to own full autos prior to then. I remember seeing racks of surplus M16A1's brought in from Vietnam in 2015, no doubt leftover from the war there. There were also surplus Thompson's from the second world war brought in from Russia of all places (a lot were given to them under the Lend Lease Act but were never returned due to strict US import laws) along with other full autos. And there were even a few Stg44's and FG42's that were no where near how outrageously expensive they are in the US. And Chinese NHM-90 semi auto AK's for those without the automatic license for about $600 brand new. It's strange for Americans to think that surplus guns can only be bolt action rifles or M1 Garands and the like because of shitty US gun and import laws.
Fortunately there are finally extended rails for the AUG.
Maybe bug Iraqveteran8888: he had his hands on one, and may remember how it would have compared to the current crop.
The VHS looks like a gun from kill zone holy crap.
It’s featured in Far Cry as the BP2.
HS Produkt * do you want us to copy the g36 or the famas?
Croatia* yes!
Please do add the desert tech mdrx to this listing! Your breakdown is one of the best I've seen and it would really help me make an educated decision when choosing between picking up one of these bullpups
Vhs trigger reminds me of an HK lem. Long but light take up. In a defense situation I'd take it off safe and treat it as a light double action.
So should I not buy an AUG?
I don't see any advantage of this rifle over the RDB.
RDB has a more ergonomic (faster) safety, bolt release, mag release.
RDB has a bolt hold open both with the release itself and the HK style charging handle.
RDB has tuneable gas system with 21 setttings, this has 2 settings.
Shooting the RDB left handed requires no changes. If you want you can reverse the charging handle in 30 seconds.
The 20" version of the RDB is 30.5" - the 16" version of the VHS2 is 29.75". 4" more barrel for less than an inch overall length.
Really the only argument I see against the RDB is "I don't like Kel-Tec", "It has too much plastic" or "I can't check the chamber without flipping the rifle over" (that one is valid)
i feel like the name alone is going to do a lot to kill sales of it. "hellion" it just sounds so stupid! whoever came up with that name should be fired.
Haha, yeah I agree. When I first read it I thought to myself "who in the world comes up with these silly names?" I hope they stop with the "Hell" stuff because if they don't the names are going to get progressively more silly. Thanks for watching.
VHS - Croatian Versatile Machine-gun (in Croatian: [V]išenamjenska [H]rvatska [S]trojnica = [VHS])
Former Croatian soldiers here who was issued both the VHS-1 and VHS-2, that is in fact a forward assist or rather manual charging mechanism. Haven't actually ever had to use it as such, so I'm not sure if it is actually effective.
Thank you for the info!
MAC forgot to add Reliability and durability to the chart. But can MatoVuc speak to the VHS reliability in his in field experience? I am most curious.
Mato just got my VHS2 you 🇭🇷 did a dobro job! Love the product.
@@citadelchase8858 glad to hear you like it
@@Militaryarmschannel Hi MAC, curious if you had mag issues with the AUG NATO
The name hellion is rediculous
So is your spelling
@@fiditenemini2452 reEeeeEeeeeeEediculous
I'm an AUG bro and can't disagree. There are fixes for its various issues, and I get military contract requirements preclude innovation, but now we have stateside manufacturing it would be nice to see Steyr USA implementing some changes in a potential A4
🤯 exactly 💯
I love my A3M1 to death, but I've dumped almost what I paid for the gun into it again to address a lot of these shortcomings. Better trigger (sear), suppressor gas regulator, sling points, extended mag release, etc. The model being shown off at IWA makes me hopeful, but you just can't count on Steyr for the commercial market.
I'd love to see an expanded version of this video adding in the RFB, RDB, and the MDR
Same. The RDB is a serious contender
@@acarmory people love to hate Kel-tec, but it's a seriously fantastic rifle.
If it was redesigned to be ruggedized to Milspec needs, the layout, the balance, the ejection, the controls, so brilliant, so comfy. It's lighter than most too. The s model is crazy light.
I love keltec but I dont think it fits in this segment since there is no military using them and it has some substantial flaws. These three are battle proven military grade.
@@bozscaggzz7475 he said "an expanded version", meaning it's not just focused on battle proven bullpups.
@@ravissary79 okay.
Pronounces Hell ian... Hellian. Not Hell e yawn.
Think, "...little hellions, kids feeling rebellious, embarrassed that their parents still listen to Elvis..."
NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME
you can upgrade the AUG trigger with the 20/20 sear and the new spring set that Steyr recently released that would make the trigger much crisper and lighter. My AUG trigger is now between 5.5 to 6 lbs and zero creep.
Have to admit I want a Hellion!
@Chris G I think the VHS will be easier to get sooner than the SA35 and other in demand guns. HS Produkt does nearly everything in house so supply issues are somewhat reduced.
The Tavor and Aug also comes in multiple colors. The x95 also has multiple barrel lengths and grip configurations.
True, and the VHS uses AR grips which means you have a variety of grips. Colors I didn't really think of, the AUG is available in different colors too, but then you're just one rattle can away from a new color. I suspect the VHS will have more colors in the future. The stocks are almost certainly being made here for compliance reasons. I know that's the case for the X95 for example.
@Chris G OD Green and there’s an IDF marked special edition one.
@@Militaryarmschannel Funny how X95 shown in the video is SBR and all spec was from the US 16" version. I found that the 13" SBR X95(only 22" OAL and 7.5lbs) has quite a bit better feeling than the 16" version(goofy square buttpad, and MA one makes it doesn't stand muzzle up).
As for suppression, yes VHS wins. But X95 can use high-energy recoil spring and gasket port cover to make it pretty good.
Since true X95 is 6-8" shorter than the VHS, I would say X95 wins to those who prefer a shorter rifle and more AR-like controls. And VHS wins for taller people and need a bullpup to be more precise at longer range.
Well that is because they have been here longer. What a dumb argument.
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I would like to see the Keltec RDB scored like this.
Personally i think you cocered it all. Its a nice scoring system
Great comparison... out of curiosity, how do non-military bullpups compare to these weapons? Specifically the RDB and MDR?
And K&M m17s
In terms of durability and reliability the MDR had problems but new models seem to be better but remain unproven. The RDB however, well kel tec and too much plastic says it all right there, it just ain't a high round count gun.
@@Hunting-jr1mp Well the sub2000k track record and polymer technology would disagree with you 🙂. Remember she of the biggest advanced in firearms is polymer (Glock, Magpul, TV)
@@blacklilac1408 Glock internals r not polymer nearly to the level of kel tec. And when I am talking round counts I'm thinking in the tens of thousands, something that I gaurentee a Glock will do much better than any kel tec.
@@Hunting-jr1mp A RDB can do thousands of rounds same with a sub 2000. If anything goes wrong send it to them it's a lifetime warranty. Also when is the Glock rifle coming out?
16:20 mark begins comparison time
Thx. RUclipsrs these days like to hear them talk way too much :😀
Thanks mate.
Hellion blows them away
I'd prefer the Steyr, seems to be the only rifle that's outlasted all its competitors in the bullpup world. There has to be a reason for it, I know it can't be Steyr's marketing department.
It's the build quality and longevity. My STG77 was more than 30 years old when I had my military service and it was still a nice shooter despite going through two sets of conscripts a year.
It’s a solid design that’s for sure. Very durable and reliable. It’s been around for many decades. It’s the golden standard for bullpups.
Austrian and German factories have best marketing and community building of ANY gun makers on Earth.
If once Hellion becomes more available and they can undercut the x95 by a few hundred dollars I think it would be a great success for Springfield.
You see any timeline on the horizon for that being a possibility?
@@brandonhallam51 not sure what's going on internally at Springfield but I would think sometime next year
It's happening now. A few places are selling it in the low $1600 range while 6 local dealers have one or more in stock at the MSRP range. So, there's no shortage of VHS. Only 1 of them has an X95 and I don't see new ones that often anymore.
Looking at the chart, the takeaway is that the VHS is a little heavy and you get what you get without many options to modify. If you're looking for a bullpup with the best bang for you buck out of the box, seems like the VHS is a no brainer.
Soooo after the aftermarket catches up for the hellion it’s prob the best lol. Interesting.
The one category I would add is over all compactness and rear-ward bias, as these features are the primary advantages of bullpups when it comes to cqb. The vhs2 is about 2 inches longer than the x95, with a longer length of pull. If you pin the flash hider on the x95, and add the flat buttpad, the difference in length is about 3.5, that is very significant. For a general purpose rifle I would choose the vhs2, but for a dedicated home defense/cqb rifle the x95 is superior.
Once you SBR the X95 and swap to a 13" barrel...
Honorable mention to a 14.7" barrel on a AUG *if* you can find one. One nice feature with the AUG is you can have a suppressor tuned barrel, a longer 20 LMG barrel, ect. Just seconds to swap between them, and if you remember the zeros for each one pretty easy to adjust the sights and confirm/tweak zero.
@@micah66048 Yeah, if you go the SBR route the x95 is ridiculously compact. I like the Aug as well, just something about the aesthetics doesn't sit right with me.
@@mohawk3371 Only reason now days to go AUG over the others is if you buy a full auto one. But they're about $37k right now.
Side note, one feature I liked about the old AUG was the mags. 42rds. So for a standard NATO loadout of 210rds that is only 4 mags on your chest and one in the rifle, vs 6x30rd for AR styles. And with the stock being the way it was, it worked okay prone. Slower reloads, but reload less often? Huh, sounds like a P90 problem 🙂
Nobody seems to report on the measured length of pull on these things. 😂
Compared to the AR/AK platforms that the tester actually uses would be welcome too.
What is interesting, is that anytime a presenter/youtuber is walking through one of these they usually seem to default to allowing the stock to ride over their shoulder or upper arm, or, grab it by the magazine.
What about a row for overall length: smaller being better since that's the point of a bullpup? VHS looked giant in that side by side shot, but maybe the x95 shown is SBR'd?
No the vhs is bigger then the x95
I was mistaken, the X95 is an SBR it looks like a toy! LOL I should watch these on my laptop, not my phone. 🤣
The VHS is long for a bullpup, but shorter than a 10"ar.
that x95 is 100% a SBR....
@@armisteadlucascolemanii7256 Uh...no! that x-95 shown here is the 13" carbine model, Tim has even mentioned its a registered SBR before too iirc
Something to remember. The Aug was built in 1977 and far exceeded technology back then. Yes, it could include a few updates but still is one of my favorite bullpups
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Already have the X95 and the AUG. Now, I have to buy the Hellion, but going to wait for the price to go down a bit.
Wise. I've seen them from $2200-$2700, which is ridiculous.
@@fmonk That’s just crazy. I’m waiting until it come to around 1700-1800 range. No rush for me. Maybe by the time I purchase it, they might have a Gen 2 version with upgrades and fixes, wishing thinking I guess, lol.
@Chris G No, I think it might be called “BETA”, lol.
That "secondary guide rod" is actually what the cam pin hits in order to unlock.
Thanks MAC! Your the reason I bought the IWI x95. Great gun, love it.
Instead of calling it the VHS-2, they should have called it the DVD.
Your saying the word wrong. It's hell-yun. (At least where im from, which is Ohio, so our accents are the same) I'm sure you've heard that word before and used in the context the definition describes. That being said, yeah I would have chose a different name.
I noticed thing you missed in your video - and that’s ok since you don’t live in NJ. While the VHS is a super cool rifle and I really want it (I love me bullpups and have trained so much on them that I’m having problems going back to non-bullpups lol) - the adjustable length of pull makes of impossible/improbable to own. NJ requires that your stock be pinned (for god knows what fucking reason), because I own a Tavor it skirts this rule very nicely, but in the VHS I would have to pin that stock to stop it being adjustable, which LITERALLY means it “breaks” the gun as now I can’t disassemble it.
So while sadly I cannot purchase the VHS because of state laws (and I want it so bad - cmon let’s be honest - it looks like a battle rifle from halo 🤫), the X95 gives me a purchasable bullpup platform that I can use from day 1 without modifications.
On a more positive note - I really do like that more gun companies are producing bullpups. I know the gun community loves to argue about the validity or usefulness of bull pup rifles versus more normal styled rifles, but I like that gun companies are embracing the variety ☺️👍
It's hard to keep up with all the various jurisdictional restrictions across the country. I don't typically try to get into those because it's so easy to misspeak. Thanks for your post though so folks in your state know why the rifle isn't available.
@@Militaryarmschannel yeah it quite literally one of the stupider restrictions I have heard of… next to California’s weird paddle grip 😅
I think if the VHS that is imported here has a chrome lined HF barrel, it would be a rifle that could not only beat the other 2 rifles but, it could easily hold it's own as a good alternative to an AR-15.
the barrel is hammer forged in the US version, it just isn't chrome lined.
Really disappointed that these rifles are assessed not on their own merits but through the lens of being an AR-15 user. These ratings should be taken with a grain of salt.
There is inherent bias in everything, but, I believe he should base the review off of an average time in speed reloads, admin reloads, and accuracy from different shooting positions.
Grip Zone, Hellcat, Hellion, Saint Victor. SA is TERRIBLE at branding. Not 'Pico' bad, but still awful.
There are other manufacturers out there doing just as bad. Take Daniel Defense. Their rifles sound like something Mercedes would do with all the random letter and number combos that don't mean anything. Glock is also just as back with their numbers that don't coincide with damn near anything.
...You might want to add 'overall length' to your ranking.
So far I'm loving this rifle... always had a fascination with bullpups ever since Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, (AUG) and Metal Gear Solid (Famas).
I bought my very first firearm from Tomlinson! Turned 18, bought a police turn in 870 the next day! Smooth bore with rifled sights!
That's a cool first gun. Now I kinda want one!
The ATF batch disapproved seemingly all Form 1 silencers yesterday. People who did not make any indication about intentions to buy a kit or anything like that. For all the ATF knows, these are people with no material at all or just blocks of metal. The reason given was that they now find any parts intended to be turned into a silencer as a silencer, therefor you can’t Form 1 a silencer because it requires you to obtain parts to make a silencer which they recognize as already being one.
Wat
Texas just started a lawsuit with them yesterday and will take it all the way to the Supreme Court and if it's made in Texas you can buy it in Texas, I think Arkansas fixing to do the same thing with Ammo and gun manufacturers
I have been waiting for my tax stamp for a year now. The ATF is "still reviewing" my application... Only government could be this slow.
I could have gotten something delivered from Nepal via ox cart and sailing ship in less time than it takes those clowns to look at some paperwork.
@@andyinva1098 I feel your pain. The 10th of this month will be 1 year since I purchased my silencer and the 25th of this month will be 1 year since they cashed my check. Lol so true
@@andyinva1098 I’m at 346 days myself. So painful
Hey, Tim. Unrelated, but my rough understanding is that the Foxtrot Mike FM-15 is essentially the DI version of the BRN-180. I'd love to see two very similar rifles compared. Ex. 16" 5.56, etc.
I love mine. Have both barrel lengths. And Foxtrot Mike was awesome with their customer service in my experience.
I will talk about the FM-15 here soon. I do have one. It's really a copy of a Rock River Arms rifle, which I also have - the LAR-PDS rifle. The LAR PDS has been out of production for some time now though: www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=123
@@Militaryarmschannel PDS is best "what could have been" in the gun world today.
I drilled and pinned mine, new trigger, ALG, new stock. So close, just an evolutionary dead end.
@@Militaryarmschannel Much appreciated. I look forward to it.
X95 wins by default over VHS 2 because it is like 4 inches shorter overall and that's really the only thing that matters with a bullpup when the entire concept is a compromise to get the shortest package.
On top of that, MAC seems to be extremely biased towards the VHS this video.
Two inches shorter.
None of them can be shorter than 26" under US law. As shipped in the US the VHS is 2" longer.
@@wyattpittman648 That's pretty funny. If anything I'm biased towards the X95 as it's my personal favorite. Being honest and objective doesn't = bias.
@@Militaryarmschannel Hell, it could've been my own bias for the x95. To me when you were going down the list it seemed as if you were trying to keep the vhs neck and neck with the x95.
The lack of a manual bolt hold open is a deal breaker for me. A manual bolt hold open is essential for troubleshooting malfunctions. Otherwise you might feel like you need 3 or more hands to fix a malfunction if something goes wrong. You don’t need a feature on a gun till you do. Shoot a gun long enough and you will.
Agreed. Even the L85 has one of those.
The yardstick by which all other bullpups must be leaps and bounds ahead of 🤔😂
#NotBitterAtAll
Manual hold hopen, pull CH back and hold it there. Like an AK. AK users around the world did just fine. So will you.
Idk why you mention that when ALL of these DO HAVE manual bolt hold opens, the Hellion is a simple tab behind the mag well, AUG and X-95 have an HK like notch, plus... I dont think ive every had a malfunction i couldnt clear with 1 hand, and if i did.... it required complete dissasembly
@David Marshall Same, its too rich for my blood. Especially when i see x95s sub $1500 pretty regularly
AKs don't have a manual bolt hold open and yet magically they do just fine.
You forgot to add a metric for scoring. THE PRICE. I would much rather have an x95 for a thousand dollars less then the hellion.
That's only due to the recent introduction of the Hellion, just like any new firearm with limited distribution. Both are the same MSRP of $1,999. I'd imagine that by the end of the year, both will be much more similarly priced.
I don’t know if it’s because I’m already familiar with the AR 15, but this seems waaaaay more complicated. Cool little gun though- I’m definitely bull pup curious- 😁
Good video and nice points to look at for the rifles. I recently bought X95 and changed it a bunch. Price of any of these three is higher than what most people can or want to afford. I have not shot the X95 yet but will soon. My upgrades changed a lot of the categories. I will still be getting the VHS at some point
💥😎HELLION IS AWESOME🤙🇺🇸
Blatant copies of the FAMAS...
i see allot of people talking about the mag release. i just bought mine today and the mags drop right out. no problems. ive tried several.
Thanks for this comparison, Tim! I have actually been wanting to add a bullpup to my collection in the near future and was considering the X95 or maybe the DT MDRX. Then the Hellion came out and I wasn't sure any more. But I admittedly still kind of hold a grudge against Springfield for that anti-gun campaign donation crap they did so the Hellion wasn't heavily in the running. I think I might shoot for the X95. Thanks for the video!
Good choice. My X95 is my favorite rifle that I own. I love shooting it.
If you do get the x95 be aware it prefers heavier bullets like 75/77 gr. I would recommend getting the grip replacement with the traditional trigger guard on it.
I like both the standard rifle and the SBR X-95 myself. Very fun. I have zero issues with either of them and for mine, they shoot anything 55 grain or above.
I would go with the X95...I love mine. However, just take into consideration. That the X95 (barrel) is graded as "combat accurate." Which means it's about 2-3 MOA. The civilian X95 is the exact same as what the IDF uses. Except for the trigger group....we get semi and IDF gets select fire. Outside of that, the X95 makes an excellent all around rifle. It's compact, so easy to get in and out of vehicles, Easy to use inside a dwelling. But you still get good range and velocity with the 16" barrel. Yes it's a bit heavy. All the weight is in the rear. You can hold the X95 with your trigger hand and reload a mag. Without ever taking the rifle off your shoulder. Lastly, the X95 is well proven in combat as the AUG is. But the ergos on the X95 are similar to an AR.
@Armatis Reviews, I feel you, man. When the SA-58 "High Power" announced, that got me rethinking Springfield Armory and then the VHS-2, and then it came time to update my EDC and the Hellcat OSP was basically the perfect option for me, all but for my hatred of Springfield Armory..
Here's the thing that settled it for me: if I don't buy SA guns, who am I punishing? They're doing very well. Not enough people care or know about their shady politics to hurt them. And here I am, still holding a grudge over a "crime" against someone else, somewhere else, and I am going to punish myself for it? I bought the Hellcat. I will probably buy an SA-58 and a VHS-2 someday. It's just not worth it to me anymore to keep holding that grudge, to my detriment and not theirs.
FWIW
I recommend the Tavor or the AUG to this day. The Tavor is perfect for desert and hot environments and the AUG is a proven winter and ice weapon system.
What do you think of the Hellion & why no comment on this Hellion (besides Springfield's bad character in past)??
@@sweetcostarica I don't have an opinion of the hellion because I've never even held one
@@sweetcostarica if I had to make an opinion I would say it seems like a good rifle but not for the price compared to the other two with a military history. The hellion would be a good American bullpup since accuracy seems to be the utmost priority. I would choose the Tavor over any of them because I've owned and used it extensively.
@@MyWatchIsEnded If you do not have an opinion... why did you just recommend the very reliable IWI Tavor and the unreliable Steyr AUG??
Should not you have said nothing until you have some experience with the VHS (Hellion)??
What the...?!?
EDIT: Note I have owned & loved the IWI Tavor SAR version. I have only seen a Steyr AUG but it's extensive service record of high failures & breakage count it out.
@@MyWatchIsEnded The Hellion is not American though, it's European
Kind of looks like the KillZone rifle. From the Hellghast? I may be wrong on the name its been yrs since I played the game
I really hope that Springfield (or someone) makes a grip that emulates the look of the Croatian military version. Same wish for a G36 magazine well adapter. I am a sucker for authenticity!
You and me both! And the proper forearm.
This seems to be the most in-depth review of the gun so far, man. Nice job.
@TsunTzu nice pfp, GuP right?
VHS gets points for best gun in insurgency sandstorm
They are not “peep” sights peeper they are aperture sights!
How would you rate the Keltec RBD you reviewed last year, up against these guns? I know the Keltec is not being used by any military, but I'd still like a comparison.
I I love bullpups, never owned one but if I where to have the money I'd invest in tge hellion, it's a sweet set up. Great video as always, and a very fair test.
I personally think the sights category is irrelevant because most people will already have optics to put on their rifles so in my eyes that makes the X95 the best out of the 3. That would take 2 points from the X95 and only 1 from the Hellion bringing it to X95 - 21 to Hellion - 22
For my part I dont care about kit conversion and after market so it bring X95 to 21, Aug to 28 and VHS-2 to 17
After all it a point of view
Fot me backup sights are usefull if the optic is damaged during fights.
Ambi also is in a weird place where if you're a righty it's kind of meaningless, but if you're a lefty it's the most important factor. So for me the others get penalized so heavily that the Hellion wins by a landslide (finding a left-handed tavor is so hard, and makes it way harder for any friends to shoot it)
with the OSS, are you using the suppressed setting or regular? I know my OSS acts very similar to non suppressed (not a lot of gas in face). When you do those tests, do you mind seeing if it will work with both settings(OSS can)
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Hellion was originally meant to mean minion of hell or hell's minion which theye would call kids badly misbehaving. Its a play on the Sprinfield guns like the, "Saint" series.
Vhs looks too long,kinda destroys the purpose of the bullpup design
great introduction for disassembly 08:24 and left-hand conversion 13:14 , very helpful!
X95 for me
At VHS has so many more moving parts than keltec RDB and just looks over complicated. I’ve had my RDB for over a year putting probably over 1000 rounds through it and the thing is flawless. It’s not a precision accurate weapon past 300 yards, but that’s not why I bought it. The point is I can easily hit a target at 300 yards with a full length 20 inch barrel. Significantly shorter than your standard A.R. 15 and definitely shorter than that VHS. I personally think it’s ugly. I bet it functions pretty well on there almost any condition but just looks like a nightmare.
Worth noting 2 things in regard to the rail accessories rating in the AUG. 1 is that the A2 had a top rail that sat much further forward. 2 is that you also have additional side picatinny rail in the A3. So you've got room for optics and a light/laser setup on the side. Honestly not really sure what other attachments you could possibly need or want, since suppressors were being looked at as their own category
In my head, I'm a sucker for bullpups. However, I've yet to be able to drop that kinda coin on a rifle to find out if I actually like them or not 🥴
Having had the opportunity to toy with a fair few, the reload will never be natural for me. Maybe if I had learned originally on a bullpup that might be different, but my brain just screams "you're doing it wrong dumbass!" Every time I reload.
I honestly just like shorty standard configuration guns, if I *need* more velocity I just go with a larger gun.
Still think Tavor is King. No S2000 tho? Lol
no
The Aug has a suppressor gas plug that makes it much more liveable
should have added overall length to the ratings. the VHs looks very long for being a bullpup
About the same as an AUG and about 2 inches longer than a X95. 3rd Hellion 28.25″, 2nd AUG 28.15" and 1st X95 26.125″. Unless you have a 18.5" X95 then 30.5″.
I really want the "tactical tuna" to relaunch with updated features. I was the return of the FS2000.
You and me both
Very good comparison. I'd been interested in the AUG ever since I went on a joint training exercise with some Australian Air Force folks. They carried the AUG. After seeing this comparison, though, I think I'd rather go with a Hellion or X95.
Great video! Thanks for putting this together it was very useful. I have an AUG and thinking of getting the VHS.
tavor x95 the barrel is garbage,...Harmonics and Tavor flash hider..remove flash hider, just thread protection AND THE GROUP improved to an inch/inch and a half at 100 yards...scope 10x
I can only speak to the AUG, but I've had nothing but perfect performance out of my AUG. Seriously impressive build quality.
Love the “dagger of judgement” with an interesting outcome.
Nuts and bolts question for the MAC crew. What is the process when a new gun comes in for review? Is it everyone tears it down than puts it back together, then shoot? Are there specific folks for specific tasks?
Love the channel, keep up the good work!!
Springfield imports the XD series and Hellcats from HS Produkt aswell.The company quality machining is impressive as is the reliability of there firearms.I watched a video testing the metal grade showed they use a higher grade then other manufacturers.So I'd expect the same with the Bullpup.The Iraqis swear on its reliability aswell.A small company isn't a bad thing either as there's only limited position so the company has the luxury to employ the best people available.
Way back in 2015 I got some VHS mags when I was with the Croats on a NATO mission. They were pretty cool guys. All they wanted were Oakley glasses and Gerber multitools.
AUG has minimal railed areas which I don't like. AUG Trigger I find can work for accuracy, just gotta understand its way. Have the 3x on it which is quite nice. Amazing you can resolve inside 5 yards with it. Like ARs better but that's what I grew up on. Very accurate hammer forged barrel. A precision 100 yard 556 over the AR IMO. Cool engineering but that's STEYR for ya. Austria!
I agree 100% about the Hellion name. My bro and I literally both just got brand new Hellcats, and when he talks to me about it, I think he's talking about the Dodge vehicle. The names are stupid.
But, then again, Springfield Armory is a STUPID name, too. It's basically Stolen Valor; change my mind.
That aside, I really want a VHS-2, so...
I don't even have a good reason. I got into guns via video games, years ago, and I always thought that FarCry made up that rifle. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever, and why would they use so many real guns and then this monstrosity?? And then I found out it was real, and I somehow love the absurdity of it now. A bullpup with a truncated, adjustable, M4 Stock and a modernized FAMAS carry handle rail? Sign me up! 🤣
Once the aftermarket picks up on the hellion its gonna be a huge winner. I'm not really a fan of anything other than AR type rifles but this has piqued my curiosity
It’s pronounced Hell-yun. When I was growing up, if you were a troublemaker, you were a little hellion. Damn right I’m buying one. Great review though, especially since I’m a lefty.
The Aug has replacement options for rail, triggers, safety, and even suppression. Combine that with availability of spare parts, you’re good to go.
1 2 3 is not the best way to rate this. You really should be using a score system, like some number out of 10. Using the 1 2 3 system ALMOST guarantees you will end up with a tie, especially with two excellent contenders. With a 10 or 100 point system you will provide a more objective analysis of what each platform has to offer with some platforms ALL scoring very well, but with a clear leader. Just saying, Data Analyst and IT Engineer here. I do this crap all day
get a aug f90 they are a lot better than the old ones
Can confirm.
Nowadays you cant find any convertion kits for the x95. Cant find a 300blk at all for the x95. 😮💨
No comment, apart from loving the Paddyflage! Currently living in the states and thinking heavily towards adding a Hellion to the Armoury. God Bless America and the Second Amendment.
I totally agree about the goofy "Hellion" name; why does Springfield have such a problem with logos? Grip Zone much? The Aug just feels right....
Got an X95. Happy with it.
The Springfield is to long almost negating any benefits of a bullpup.
It's only about 2" longer than the X95. The X95 actually has a thickened butt plate so it meets the 26" minimum length requirement under US law. At 28" with the stock fully collapsed I wouldn't say the VHS is too long. It's one of the trade-offs for having that adjustable length of pull I suppose. Thanks for watching.
nope
VHS.......Should have named it BLOCKBUSTER......BE KIND
So what bullpup is the best suppressor host? I own a tavor, ordered a mdrx and owned an aug in the 90s been looking at the x95 and hellion for suppressing because the tavor is too overgassed. I'm in a wheelchair part time and hunt from one (Wounded in Afghanistan) I prefer a bullpup and own 9 suppressors. I bought both of my daughters a G22 bullpup and they love them now they want to move up, so I'm buying 3 new bullpups of the one that's best for suppressor use.
The one category I would add is the coolness of the product :) VHS-2 is one of the best looking piece of weapon on general, not just between these three.
Just got a Mud AUG, bought a 20 inch barrel from V1. Pretty stoked. Waffle gang gang!
My wife's grandfather could barely fit his finger in an 1894 pre 60's I saw him bend a 12 inch #5 rebar to a u with no effort his wife's hands would make yours look average my wife is small but her fourth son is 50 pounds just turned 3 Jan he thinks he is a dinosaur so do I
good luck getting a caliber conversion kit for the x95 and mi not even sure ig the 18.5 inch 556 barrel will work either. so call IWI US to what they say about this
I feel as though this may be a little biased. I don't own any bullpup rifles at the moment, but I have seen an X95 have a jam during a training class that kept the student from continuing. He had to do a full field strip to get the round out. I also don't know how I would feel about my sight rail being held together with some phillips screws like on the Helion. I think my choice would be the Aug simply due to the track record.
Now that the brace junk is doing whatever, a bullpup might become my truck gun. I don’t need legalities going against me if I do ever need to use the gun. I think I’ll pass on the Hellion, but I love the famas style look of it, the full ambi capabilities, and the smooth action. I don’t like that it doesn’t have a specific bolt hold button.