What is the Hardest Thing About Being Orthodox Christian in the West? - Fr. Lawrence Farley
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In this episode, Father Lawrence Farley discusses the main difficulties that face Orthodox Christians in the West.
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How true! I’ve finally found someone who spells out my view/belief in flags and countries... our citizenship is in Heaven.
Excellent encapsulation of living in two worlds
The struggle I have is having a nearby church. Ireland was once the base of Orthodoxy in northwest Europe, but only since the 1970's has it reappeared, nearly a millenium later.
I come back to Father Farley constantly. I am a catechumen at some point on the road to becoming orthodox. Fr Farley has a way of thinking that satisfies a restless postmodern intellect. By the way, I am so grateful for this channel! Bless you my brother!
Excellent. A needed constant reminder. There is nothing lasting in this world. Our destiny is not this.
Love the World and ador Holy Trinity,use de World as a tool for your salvations. Embrace the Holy Spitit and reject the world’s spitit. Thank you Fr.
Love your people your nation your family your homeland but not more than your father who art in heaven
I also was an evangelical in the 1970's. Through a long spiritual journey I found Catholic and Orthodox Christianity. Today I am an Anglican priest. The biggest problem with Protestantism is they has no lens through which yo see the scriptures. That is why there are so many thousands of dominations.
Reverend,
There's a few things the Father got very wrong. He said "we look forward to the age to come". We ARE in the "age to come" come. We ARE in the New Heavens and Earth. This is covenantal language and it means the New Covenant age or the body of Christ. The Old Covenant Jews used to say, "this age and the age to come". They were living in the Old Covenant age, known as the "ministration of sin and death". The "age to come" was the Messianic age (age of grace and life) of the New Covenant age, the church age. The "age to come" (new heavens and earth) were consummated in 70 AD after the Old Covenant temple and apostate Old Covenant Jerusalem were destroyed. Look at the IMMINENT time statements used in the New Testament. They were expecting the Old Covenant age to "shortly" pass away, in "this generation" as Jesus said, and it did. There is no future or further ages to come. The book of Daniel tells us the New Covenant age of the church is eternal, without end. Why "look forward" to it ending? The church was born on the Day of Pentecost (30 AD), and consummated in 70 AD at the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord (the Parousia or second coming). The kingdom where righteousness dwells is here on earth and it's the New Covenant age of the church. All things from the Old Covenant law and prophets were fulfilled in 70 AD at the Parousia and judgement of apostate Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord. We are in the eternal kingdom. The eschatology in the Scriptures was ONLY concerned with the Old Covenant age of "sin and death" and was fulfilled in 70 AD. It's pointless to invent an eschatology in the New Covenant age (body of Christ) because the Scriptures say it's eternal (Daniel). I've had Muslims, Jews, and atheists telling me Jesus promised to return in the 1st century generation, and never did. Jesus returned alright, but He returned spiritually in a way that's consistent with the judgement comings of the Lord in the Old Testament. He returned on "the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 26, 64) in 70 AD, which is Hebraic apocalyptic/symbolic language meaning to come SPIRITUALLY in judgement, using a foreign army (Romans) to pass that judgement.
Interested in reading your thoughts on this and its implications on Christianity.
@@70AD-user45 you're right. you should teach
the only correct lens to read the Scriptures is the study of ancient cultures of biblical times.
@@70AD-user45 No, the new heavens and the new earth come after the judgement. The final judgement which has not happened yet.
@@jacobtaylor5848
Not unless you say that the judgement was fulfilled when apostate was judged in 70 AD, then that means the New Heavens and Earth are already here. The New Heavens and Earth is another terminology for the New Covenant. This is not what most Christians expected because the world is in chaos and living fear and ignorance of Covid while the oligarchs are preparing the way for a one world communist government.
Thank you Father.
Very good!
Thanks to God!
Thank you FR. Farley.
Your message and teaching are a blessing. May our Lord continue to bless you. ☦️☦️☦️
Fantastic!! I loved it
Thank you for this! I needed this today
Very
Insightful
Thanks Father for clarifying a very important topic
Another interesting 7 minutes, as a Muslim I've heard this talk many many times in almost the same words, our loyalty is to God not earthly loyalties.
"Flags are very flammable"
"I'll die for my country, but I won't live for my country"
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beautifully stated.
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Glad that you found us! (And glad to hear that my music is evocative(!)...seems appropriate for it to convey "joyful sorrow"?)
Interesting.
"I'll die for my country, but I won't live for my country, I'll live for Jesus Christ."
Good stuff.
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I find the hardest part is finding an Orthodox church in English 😢
Where are you located? If you're in N. America...here's a website that might be helpful: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
"I have never enjoyed living in the world."
“Stick up for your President” and then a slight jab at the current President. Of course! When the most anti Christian President was in office...no jabs at all from the church in general. This to a lay person like me is totally confusing.
Allowing politics to creep into his message was unfortunate, he stepped on his own message.
Is it a copy of St Basil's Cathedral in Moscow in the background?
Yes.
Isn't joining the military giving your ultimate to your country if you're saying I'm willing to die for it?
Am I disobeying the Lord if I lay down my life for a friend or my wife?
@@lkwalden7 Shooting foreigners does not save your wife's life.
@@lkwalden7 You're going way hypothetical if you're going to say that you dying in some war will maybe have some hypothetical outcome of a world if you hadn't gone to war vs going to war. It's all propaganda. How does shooting foreigners give anyone freedom. It's all just some abstract idea. No direct connections at all.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr I asked a simple question and you spewed your ideology all over the place.
@@lkwalden7 I think there's a big difference running into a burning building in an attempt to save a life and then lose mine, and enlisting in a war where I have this vague idea that somehow this will protect my family by playing some kind of a role in affecting world events. So I was just being specific. I just didn't want you to use running into a burning building as justification for going to war.
However, protestant nations are the ones who have brought progress despite what Fr. Farley calls individualsism. They are the nations that the rest of the world immigrated to. By their deeds shall ye know them, not by doctrine.
Protestant nations also have created nuclear weapon as well as concentration camps. Is is progress too?
@@moscownevereversleeps only God is whole and perfect.
@@adrian_V99 oh yeah, sure.
progress into greed and arrogance and envy and all the other deadly sins. the state can rationalize anything- murder, genocide, a theft, a lie..
You’re missing his point
Is the hardest thing not being constantly mistaken for Roman Catholic? 🤣
The whole east west attitude in Orthodoxy in America is such a cop out and a pretension; a real convert “thing”.
It is tiresome and childish. It supports any number of neurosis,: general misanthropy, anti Americanism, anti intellectualism, to name a few. There is the stuff of Orthodoxy supporting fetishism, the fasts attract all kinds of folks with eating disorders. Communities associated with monastics foster the cult of personality and in such communities strict observances foster cultish , escapist behavior.
Where is the leadership?
so true
Can you clarify on what you mean, im curious in a non argumentative way. Is this a comparison of east vs west?
Where is the leadership? Where's your source? Mere slander it sounds like.
@Apostol Apostolov
There's a few things the Father got very wrong. He said "we look forward to the age to come". We ARE in the "age to come" come. We ARE in the New Heavens and Earth. This is covenantal language and it means the New Covenant age or the body of Christ. The Old Covenant Jews used to say, "this age and the age to come". They were living in the Old Covenant age, known as the "ministration of sin and death". The "age to come" was the Messianic age (age of grace and life) of the New Covenant age, the church age. The "age to come" (new heavens and earth) were consummated in 70 AD after the Old Covenant temple and apostate Old Covenant Jerusalem were destroyed. Look at the IMMINENT time statements used in the New Testament. They were expecting the Old Covenant age to "shortly" pass away, in "this generation" as Jesus said, and it did. There is no future or further ages to come. The book of Daniel tells us the New Covenant age of the church is eternal, without end. Why "look forward" to it ending? The church was born on the Day of Pentecost (30 AD), and consummated in 70 AD at the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord (the Parousia or second coming). The kingdom where righteousness dwells is here on earth and it's the New Covenant age of the church. All things from the Old Covenant law and prophets were fulfilled in 70 AD at the Parousia and judgement of apostate Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord. We are in the eternal kingdom. The eschatology in the Scriptures was ONLY concerned with the Old Covenant age of "sin and death" and was fulfilled in 70 AD. It's pointless to invent an eschatology in the New Covenant age (body of Christ) because the Scriptures say it's eternal (Daniel). I've had Muslims, Jews, and atheists telling me Jesus promised to return in the 1st century generation, and never did. Jesus returned alright, but He returned spiritually in a way that's consistent with the judgement comings of the Lord in the Old Testament. He returned on "the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 26, 64) in 70 AD, which is Hebraic apocalyptic/symbolic language meaning to come SPIRITUALLY in judgement, using a foreign army (Romans) to pass that judgement.
Giovanni How does it come that you are so full of negative rationalizations? Do you regard Orthodoxy as a competition for your sets of beliefs?