If you were going to do this again, maybe with third tier sides, might I suggest: Shrewsbury Town (the only club I've watched live more than 10 times), 1860 Munchen (fallen giant), Lecco (affiliated with Bath), Ibiza (my first ever FM save) or Le Mans (I am a massive motorsport fan). Just suggestions :)
@@LoadedPixel Not a Shrewsbury fan myself but I do have a huge respect the club, my cousin is a huge fans and brings me along occasionally . Though I've never actually seen you guys win 🤣.
How about recreating Jurgen Klopp’s new role as director of football for the Red Bull group. You could add Leeds and Paris FC to the group and see what Klopp can do for 50 years.
please do something with schalke 04, maybe something with their youth as they brought through some amazing players over the years. Like Manuel Neuer, Leon Goretzga, but also failed talents like draxler and meier.
There's something about club expectations and how much they spend set in the pre-game editor/database, I think. Some clubs no matter how much money you feed them don't spend and don't try to get better, German clubs (I often become their sugar daddy when I have too much money) are usually better about it. Also GMs/head coaches have a "buying players" attribute - I've only paid attention to coaches but maybe for AI clubs it matters if the GM at the start has a high buying players attribute?
Similar to other comments i recommend giving 250mil to 4th tier teams for England swindon(my local team) and other 4th tier teams in Italy france Germany and Spain or whatever and also give them all 20 chairperson stats and see what happens
Parma and Zaragoza owners been stifling money from their accounts. But I'v had this issue before, give some small club a tv deal and very little seems to change regarding my bank money or transfer budget.
What about one with max facilities (reset them to max if the facilities downgrade),Vs, perfect staff, Vs, TV money, Vs, max capacity stadium, Vs, max reputation (again reset if downgraded)? Would probably say again 50yrs, may have to set staff to transfer away after the 50yr mark and maybe do it with all teams from the same league, who are all a similar level to start with.
Lol a nice idea... coming back every season to reset things for 50 years would take a hell of a long time though so i may think of an alternative or workaround
Would love to see something with Hertha Berlin. They used to be the biggest club in Berlin, but fell off after getting a major investment from a scetchy guy. We are finally getting back on track by focusing on our own good youth :)
I would like to see with teams in some smaller leagues like Netherlands (one of the biggest leagues) Portugal (one of the biggest leagues) gibaltar (it would be interesting I think) and probably some other ones
If you ever need a third tier side for one of these, please consider Cambridge - it would make me feel a little better about losing the local derby 6-1 yesterday😭
Please use Werder Bremen in the future. They are a former German Giant and used to be the biggest competitor to Munich in the early 2000s. Also they are one of the biggest clubs all time in Germany with being 3rd in the All Time Table.
The Bundesliga pays out prize money in FM, not TV money, so changing the TV revenue to 250 million means that they get that AND the 130ish million as prize money for coming in first. Plus the revenue from the Champions League
The only thing I can maybe think of for the difference between the teams is maybe tax rules in each country? because I know England has an annual tax bill thing in FM
If you ever want a 4th tier side for a video, may i recommend Crewe Alexandra (My local) a team with a good amount of history but never really found success. Plus, I dont think I've ever really seen them used in this kind of video
Do former Yugoslavia experiment with TV money. Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia. Of course you'll need to add missing nations first. Or a Slavic experiment. All the loadable Slavic nations with huge TV deals.
Great suggestion but always tricky when certain leagues aren't in the game as it needs custom databases and not always easy to modify to add TV deals sadly so I tend to avoid them
Yeah you could do playable leagues (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia). Would be interesting to see between the three of them too. All Slavic nations would also be interesting. There's quite a few of them in. (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Belarus, Czechia, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine). I think that would be a great experiment.
The money is drip fed through the season monthly because of the way the finances are structured I think 🤔 someone has mentioned club dividends and it makes sense. I think certain nations may miss out in future
please choose Lechia Gdańska from Poland. They are the youngest team in the Polish top league, and they are doing so badly this season that they were promoted after relegation in the same season they were fighting in UECL qualifying.
@@jayhuahuanahh choose Warta Poznań, they are a historic club that was relegated last season (it was a miracle they stayed in the top flight for so long in the first place tbh) and are now fighting and struggling to stay up in the second tier.
Maybe hanover spending more because of the 50+1 rule German teams use ? Maybe the fans demanding certain transfers now they’re getting lots of new money (not sure if the game would take stuff like that in to consideration)
Can you flip the English pyramid upside down, basically reverse all the team, premier league into the bottom, and so forth, wanna see how many can make it back to the top or go into financial ruin
Noticed my taste on selecting what teams to support from other countries (Im from Ecuador) is kinda ass when I support Zaragoza and Saint-Etienne lol and I used to support Hannover as a kid, still, pretty cool hahahaha
This is one of the very few problems I have with FM. The AI sucks. They never try to punch above their weight in the transfer market. Go on holidays and fast forward a million years in the future on FM and Man City, Bayern, PSG, Madrid will all be winning their respective leagues over and over and over again.
So when you click on renew income, it renews the deal so it will change every season, however the good news is that Emma Hayes at Chelsea is made, edited and tomorrows scheduled upload. Just need to make a thumbnail 👍
A few reasons already mentioned as to why clubs are not spending. For Spain don't the league also set the allowed wage budget for each club? That's why Barcelona have to keep pulling imaginary levers to be able to register players!😂
Norwich were about as bad as they are in the current season! They sometimes do far better in these simulations without any takeover or money injections. I was wondering if the different clubs could possibly be affected by when the money comes in. Does that deal spread out through the year or does it come in one giant lump just before tax time so they instantly lose out? This could be why some seemed to gain far quicker than others.
@@jayhuahua they have, and they have one that is "interference" that is the likelyhood they buy and sell players without your consent Make some 1 interferance and some 20
These experiments always fail because the AI is idiotic and a human player is so far superior, there's no point in even comparing. I've done this kind of experiment several times every year since FM14 and the result is still the same. The AI, when it fires a manager, almost never hires a manager that runs the same system. So every few years, you have someone new come in and turn over the roster (which costs BIG). They almost never invest in improving facilities unless there's nothing else to spend money on. They build new stadiums when the old one needs replacing (for league rules) but always take loans out, even when they have the cash on hand to pay for it outright. The only way to delay the inevitable is to give the Chairman or managing director 20 in Business. But even in that case, the club will simply stagnate because the money for transfers won't be available. Also, if you look at the club's financials, there's an entry called 'dividends'. This is paid out to the "shareholders" (in FM, that's the directors). Ideally, this would only happen when the club is vastly exceeding its required income (like when it's close to the 32-bit signed integer limit of 2,147,483,647). In FM24, outside of the Prem, this happens within the first 10 years if you give them a $500 million TV deal. They can't spend the money fast enough if they're not already in the top flight of a top-8 league. The only way the AI knows to compete is to pay Saudi Arabia wages, which is what you saw here. Even in your other experiments like this (and other content creators as well), the wage bill becomes HUGE as a result. This year, I did a two pronged experiment with Swansea and Bristol Rovers (different saves) where I gave them a billion dollars and a $900 million a year TV deal. They were paying Saudi wages within 5 years. By the time they got to the Prem, they had maxed out facilities but they were paying SO much, the transfer budget couldn't break $100 million because the wage bill was so onerous. Plus, it makes it impossible to get rid of players because you're paying so much over the average, they refuse to leave (and take a massive pay cut). It's just crazy!
They don't use it optimally but it sparks change and in my opinion is a bit of fun n interesting. But if it's not for you then that's cool. I appreciate u watching despite hating it
I gonna give this video -10 stars Norwich city why o why lol 😂! If you picked a different team would give you +10 stars! Keep up The good work love your videos
If you were going to do this again, maybe with third tier sides, might I suggest: Shrewsbury Town (the only club I've watched live more than 10 times), 1860 Munchen (fallen giant), Lecco (affiliated with Bath), Ibiza (my first ever FM save) or Le Mans (I am a massive motorsport fan). Just suggestions :)
Salop! Salop! Salop!
@@LoadedPixel Not a Shrewsbury fan myself but I do have a huge respect the club, my cousin is a huge fans and brings me along occasionally . Though I've never actually seen you guys win 🤣.
3rd tier might be a good shout 🤔 i have another 2nd tier i am working on then may do that after
@blobfishking941 fairs, its been along time since i've personally see shrewsbury win lmao, no clue how we arent in league 2 by now
Time to get Salop to the Prem
We really bottled the first place, came runner up in the champions league 4 times if i am not mistaken (but thanks for doing it)
Finishing in the top 4 of bundesliga also gives you 90-100 million plus the 250 million every year that’s why Hannover has so much money
How about recreating Jurgen Klopp’s new role as director of football for the Red Bull group. You could add Leeds and Paris FC to the group and see what Klopp can do for 50 years.
please do something with schalke 04, maybe something with their youth as they brought through some amazing players over the years. Like Manuel Neuer, Leon Goretzga, but also failed talents like draxler and meier.
Schalke are a good shout 👍
There's something about club expectations and how much they spend set in the pre-game editor/database, I think. Some clubs no matter how much money you feed them don't spend and don't try to get better, German clubs (I often become their sugar daddy when I have too much money) are usually better about it.
Also GMs/head coaches have a "buying players" attribute - I've only paid attention to coaches but maybe for AI clubs it matters if the GM at the start has a high buying players attribute?
Something to consider and delve deeper 🤔 cheers
Similar to other comments i recommend giving 250mil to 4th tier teams for England swindon(my local team) and other 4th tier teams in Italy france Germany and Spain or whatever and also give them all 20 chairperson stats and see what happens
Sadly some of those nations don't have a 4th tier so I'd have to get creative n work something out
@ ah damn maybe have to do similar league reputations then?
Swindon my local team too I'm always hoping to see Swindon in one of these.
Swindon were also in the Premier League in it's 2nd season so could try and build them up back up
Parma and Zaragoza owners been stifling money from their accounts.
But I'v had this issue before, give some small club a tv deal and very little seems to change regarding my bank money or transfer budget.
What about one with max facilities (reset them to max if the facilities downgrade),Vs, perfect staff, Vs, TV money, Vs, max capacity stadium, Vs, max reputation (again reset if downgraded)? Would probably say again 50yrs, may have to set staff to transfer away after the 50yr mark and maybe do it with all teams from the same league, who are all a similar level to start with.
Lol a nice idea... coming back every season to reset things for 50 years would take a hell of a long time though so i may think of an alternative or workaround
Would love to see something with Hertha Berlin. They used to be the biggest club in Berlin, but fell off after getting a major investment from a scetchy guy. We are finally getting back on track by focusing on our own good youth :)
Fantastic video, I would like to see RFS from Latvia to give a shot. As they are in Europa league but they are the cheapest club there!
i'd love to see what you can do with the mighty Annan Athletic !!!!!
como casually winning ucls and els outta nowhere at 24:30 lol
24:30. When you were looking at the champions League Hanover came runner up twice in 2030/31 losing to Arsenal and 2033/34 losing to Real Madrid
Parma.... dear god that team in 2000 was SOOOO good!!
I would like to see with teams in some smaller leagues like Netherlands (one of the biggest leagues) Portugal (one of the biggest leagues) gibaltar (it would be interesting I think) and probably some other ones
If you ever need a third tier side for one of these, please consider Cambridge - it would make me feel a little better about losing the local derby 6-1 yesterday😭
Lol I'll keep them in mind, but 3rd tier isn't on the horizon at the moment
Do somthing with Wolves
Do Wigan athletic!! I remember watching them beat city in the FA cup while being relegated and we have been tragic ever since!
Maybe there is some sort of corruption stat for chairpeople hidden deep in the code, and that's why Parma ended up the way they did? 😛
Aston villa.. I don't know what experiment you'd do with us but there must be something
Please use Werder Bremen in the future. They are a former German Giant and used to be the biggest competitor to Munich in the early 2000s. Also they are one of the biggest clubs all time in Germany with being 3rd in the All Time Table.
Next do a wonderkid wheel challenge with a new wildcard of a permanent contract
The Bundesliga pays out prize money in FM, not TV money, so changing the TV revenue to 250 million means that they get that AND the 130ish million as prize money for coming in first. Plus the revenue from the Champions League
Maybe due to the taxation rules of the countries.
Yeah possibly 🤔
Deportivo with the wonderkid wheel! Bring back the Super Depor of yesteryear
I loved Depor back in the day. Valeron, Diego Tristan, Roy Makaay. Such a great squad. They're on the list 👍
The only thing I can maybe think of for the difference between the teams is maybe tax rules in each country? because I know England has an annual tax bill thing in FM
If you ever want a 4th tier side for a video, may i recommend Crewe Alexandra (My local) a team with a good amount of history but never really found success. Plus, I dont think I've ever really seen them used in this kind of video
I'm sure Crewe have featured on the channel but maybe not as featured like in this video. Will keep them in mind
can you do one with ado den haag
Do former Yugoslavia experiment with TV money. Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia. Of course you'll need to add missing nations first.
Or a Slavic experiment. All the loadable Slavic nations with huge TV deals.
Great suggestion but always tricky when certain leagues aren't in the game as it needs custom databases and not always easy to modify to add TV deals sadly so I tend to avoid them
Yeah you could do playable leagues (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia). Would be interesting to see between the three of them too. All Slavic nations would also be interesting. There's quite a few of them in. (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Belarus, Czechia, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine). I think that would be a great experiment.
might pay you to just roll over into the next season and then see if they all get the money in.
The money is drip fed through the season monthly because of the way the finances are structured I think 🤔 someone has mentioned club dividends and it makes sense. I think certain nations may miss out in future
Can we get crystal palace involved one day
please choose Lechia Gdańska from Poland. They are the youngest team in the Polish top league, and they are doing so badly this season that they were promoted after relegation in the same season they were fighting in UECL qualifying.
They sound like a good candidate for the wonderkid wheel
@@jayhuahuanahh choose Warta Poznań, they are a historic club that was relegated last season (it was a miracle they stayed in the top flight for so long in the first place tbh) and are now fighting and struggling to stay up in the second tier.
money in italy is weird on fm, I think Parma would suit the Regen wheel more than this type of experiment.
If you were going to do another wonderkid wheel, i would do for germany hamburg, or tbh anything with hamburg
Maybe hanover spending more because of the 50+1 rule German teams use ? Maybe the fans demanding certain transfers now they’re getting lots of new money (not sure if the game would take stuff like that in to consideration)
Hannover finally my favourite team
Can you flip the English pyramid upside down, basically reverse all the team, premier league into the bottom, and so forth, wanna see how many can make it back to the top or go into financial ruin
Yeah I recorded this the other day funnily enough. Need to get it edited
@ thank you, I just find the English pyramid of football so interesting so I’m sure the video will be a banger
Please do something with Huddersfield Town 😭💜
Ps watching this as i recover from appendicitis! Keep up the good work, look forward to your videos daily!
Noticed my taste on selecting what teams to support from other countries (Im from Ecuador) is kinda ass when I support Zaragoza and Saint-Etienne lol and I used to support Hannover as a kid, still, pretty cool hahahaha
Haha what a strange coincidence 🤣 i chose Hannover based on a request from a subscriber. All other teams were random choices
Return to supporting hannover
Parma Ultras have pocketed the 250M 😂
This is one of the very few problems I have with FM. The AI sucks. They never try to punch above their weight in the transfer market. Go on holidays and fast forward a million years in the future on FM and Man City, Bayern, PSG, Madrid will all be winning their respective leagues over and over and over again.
Parma start date for TV deal 2043 🤣
For spotting this I want Emma Hayes at Chelsea 🤣
@@lewisgoodway9398haha, yeah
So when you click on renew income, it renews the deal so it will change every season, however the good news is that Emma Hayes at Chelsea is made, edited and tomorrows scheduled upload. Just need to make a thumbnail 👍
Do something with Bradford city it u can please I would love to see that in 4th tier of England
Disappointed in Norwich 😂😂😂 I managed them and in around 15 seasons, I won a ton of trophies including 4 UCLs, 3 or 4 PLs and a lot of cups
How about you try Leicester for one of these experiments
Bromley and Gillingham please. My local teams.
If they fit with an experiment i will keep them in mind. I think I've definitely done something with Bromley somewhere
Tranmere Rovers if the Rihanna deal goes through
why some of the clubs went into debt - i think as they got promoted and started getting more fans, the ai expanded their stadium
A few reasons already mentioned as to why clubs are not spending. For Spain don't the league also set the allowed wage budget for each club? That's why Barcelona have to keep pulling imaginary levers to be able to register players!😂
Norwich were about as bad as they are in the current season! They sometimes do far better in these simulations without any takeover or money injections. I was wondering if the different clubs could possibly be affected by when the money comes in. Does that deal spread out through the year or does it come in one giant lump just before tax time so they instantly lose out? This could be why some seemed to gain far quicker than others.
Would you do something with the LA Galaxy in the future? :)
Use watford in the future
give Salford city a wondered every year fr 15 years
I like that suggestion 👍
Do the same but edit the Chairman to be all 20 stats
Do chairmen have attributes? Don't think they do do they?
@@jayhuahua they have, and they have one that is "interference" that is the likelyhood they buy and sell players without your consent
Make some 1 interferance and some 20
@rafaellouro2144 oh ok this is a game changer... i need to delve into this and get some experiments cooking
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I wonder did spurs get rid of levy. Only way we win trophies lol
Do something with Helmond sport please
Please do Crotone
Please use Aalborg bk they are in the danish superliga they are huge fallen giants pls use them
HANNOVER MENTIONED. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Lol they got more than a mention
AIK Solna (Sweden) try them out
Let's be avin ya
Where are you?
What skinpack do u use
Its the Sas24 skin
do something with palermo
Reason why they have no money is yearly dividend.
What ,?
@@-thescholar5805 Shareholders/owners gets big chunk of the yearly profits.
@@-thescholar5805 Shareholders/owners gets big chunk of the yearly profits.
Ahhhh yeah i didn't clock that. Right Italy n Spain are OUT next time haha
Try south east asia league max youth rating 💡
Which league?
@jayhuahua try Indonesia or if you have more time you can try all countries 😏😏😁😁
These experiments always fail because the AI is idiotic and a human player is so far superior, there's no point in even comparing. I've done this kind of experiment several times every year since FM14 and the result is still the same. The AI, when it fires a manager, almost never hires a manager that runs the same system. So every few years, you have someone new come in and turn over the roster (which costs BIG). They almost never invest in improving facilities unless there's nothing else to spend money on. They build new stadiums when the old one needs replacing (for league rules) but always take loans out, even when they have the cash on hand to pay for it outright. The only way to delay the inevitable is to give the Chairman or managing director 20 in Business. But even in that case, the club will simply stagnate because the money for transfers won't be available. Also, if you look at the club's financials, there's an entry called 'dividends'. This is paid out to the "shareholders" (in FM, that's the directors). Ideally, this would only happen when the club is vastly exceeding its required income (like when it's close to the 32-bit signed integer limit of 2,147,483,647). In FM24, outside of the Prem, this happens within the first 10 years if you give them a $500 million TV deal. They can't spend the money fast enough if they're not already in the top flight of a top-8 league. The only way the AI knows to compete is to pay Saudi Arabia wages, which is what you saw here. Even in your other experiments like this (and other content creators as well), the wage bill becomes HUGE as a result.
This year, I did a two pronged experiment with Swansea and Bristol Rovers (different saves) where I gave them a billion dollars and a $900 million a year TV deal. They were paying Saudi wages within 5 years. By the time they got to the Prem, they had maxed out facilities but they were paying SO much, the transfer budget couldn't break $100 million because the wage bill was so onerous. Plus, it makes it impossible to get rid of players because you're paying so much over the average, they refuse to leave (and take a massive pay cut). It's just crazy!
Hull City please!
Will keep them in mind next time I venture to the championship 👍
@ legend will keep an eye out 👊🏼
@clouu8839 i have nothing in mind yet... but i always think of something so they'll definitely feature
Real Zaragoza ❤
Shame they flopped
Allez les Verts !
What's up with the Audio today?
Not sure, i didn't notice an issue while editing... what was happening?
I hate that fmtubers keep doing this with the same results, the ai doesn’t use the money properly because of reputation issues
They don't use it optimally but it sparks change and in my opinion is a bit of fun n interesting. But if it's not for you then that's cool. I appreciate u watching despite hating it
Fiorentina
Boavista FC
Would you want to use PSV sometime? :)
I would but not sure what for yet... I'll keep them in mind
You set the start date of the tv deal with Parma on the 7/6/2043 I think that’s why they had no money 🥲
I think when i checked in it was in the 40s and when you put renew on a deal it changes every season
I gonna give this video -10 stars Norwich city why o why lol 😂! If you picked a different team would give you +10 stars! Keep up The good work love your videos