He'll noo! Maybe a few highlight chapters for each of them, but If the wars are ever covered, I would love for them to be covered from a non konha dominant/centric POV. The other villages are very interesting and have so many blank parts in their histories that deserve to be expounded upon. I want to see Chiyo"s battles against Hanzo, her proxy war with Tsunade, and how she and her brother contributed to being the Sand Village's most consistent and relied upon muscle for decades. I wanna see Pakura her powers and why the Third Kazekage made a deal to set her up to be killed by the Mist Village. I wanna see Sasori earning his name, I wanna see if Raza is is the Third Kazekage's son and if he fought alongside Sasori, Baki, or Garra's mother in the third war. I wanna see the third Mizukage and what he contributed to the mist village( would be a great way to clear up when the whole blood mist stuff started). I wanna see Shit from Oonoki's POV and why he was always on bullshit, was it because he was tripping or was it because the leaf was wildn out throwing their weight around? (something Madara started with the advent of the village system and something Danzo ironically continued to do once he and Hiruzen rose to power.) Then their is the cloud Village and the intense politics they engaged with to maintain or reach the status of second strongest village over the course of the series.... and so on. There are so many more stories and characters to be xplored besides the Leaf Village and the people we have gotten to know. I'm not saying don't include them, I'm just saying don't tell these specific stories from their POV. We know them, love them already (Besides Hiruzen), let us see some of the other legends and get more of a feel for the cultures of the other villages in the same vain we got that for Konoha and its Ninja.
@@Timquan.good idea but I’d rather know more about Konoha b4 I jump to a whole seperate village😂 the story needs to be fixed and this could fix so many plot holes
@@Timquan.the only problem I have with what ur saying is the leaf village alone has so many characters heavily respected with no back story let alone the other villages, hiruzen for example, all statements and no feats, is he respected as much as the first, second and 4th hokage?? Not at all what about Shisuis story? Relative to itachi but got his eye snatch by danzo and kills himself and that’s it how is it that he was around itachi often yet we have all this info on itachi but nothing really on shisui in the anime??does bro not also have body flicker to dodge with?😂What about sakumo hatake he’s well know and respected as the white fang and all we know is kakashi grew up with no dad cuz he’s dead and don’t even get me started on fugaku… No one can sit here and tell me he didn’t at least deserve a filler episode on something about his past and how he got the name wiked eye
Pretty sure it's implied the first 2 generation Kage died by the end of the 1st Shinobi war. Considering Mu & Gengetsu thought that Tobirama was using edo tensei to revive them, it's pretty clear that they died prior to the death of Tobirama. With that, the 1st shinobi war power would have been crazy strong
Honorable Mention for 3rd war is Han noted to have the fastest Taijutsu during his lifetime plus can quickly fire off Bijuu Bombs he's definitely top 10 imo
it’s so crazy how the hidden stone and hidden cloud villages had there jinchuriki’s basically under control at this point but i think roshi could be an honorable mention too not many ninja could probably deal with lava style atp
@ Glaze my man Shisui please as you guys often say amongst these circles! I want that Shisui Uchiha glaze lol. Your channel rocks Virhtue. You already did it with Minato and justifiably so, now let’s see the glaze with my man Shisui Uchiha!
Sakumo "Makes the Sannin pale compared to his abilities" Hatake not even being mentioned is crazy ngl Also Honorable mention to Han and Roshi who not just beat an early war Minato´s entire squad but even taunted all of Konoha at being unable to compete with them without Kushina/The Ninetails
The POV gengetsu water gun was hilarious. the water gun i no joke, suigetsu threatened to kill sasuke with it a bit after he was freed by sasuke (can't remember if it was filler or not but it the jutsu is usually portrayed as strong)
Is it just me or did they just say that muu and gengetsu survived the first war? They were killed in the first war right. Muu even stated when they were reanimated that the second hokage was the one reviving them not knowing tobirama was long dead. And tobirama died in the first war
@@arieffarihin9844 I dunno, I honestly don't know the shinobi war lore all too well. Maybe they (Muu) thought tobirama dying was fake since he was the strongest in the world and had survived assasination in the past. Or maybe they made a mistake, who knows. (i dont )
The modern day lineup is so stacked they would destroy every named shinobi from the past at once. Even without reincarnates and jins, you have Akatsuki, Kabuto with no edo, Sannin, Shisui, 5 kage, Guy, Kakashi. It's just the strongest generation in every way.
They forgot Hakumo was alive during the 2nd and the beginning of the 3rd Ninja War and he's a couple of years older than the Sannin; Add Jiraiya(specially after learning Sage mode), Orochi and Nagato in the 3rd Ninja War; Also Mu was around for the 1st Ninja War and Onoki was already a master by the 2nd Ninja War and was known as the only Kage to be near Hiruzen.
6:15 If the Two Lights were not part of Kumo it would not exactly apply to them. A rogue element returning and trying to take over would still fit a coup. Or they were just hiding their true power if they decided at that moment to defect. 8:00 Kinkaku said he left Tobirama for dead, that is, he probably killed him, when he was revived, so he was probably leading the Kinkaku Butai. Shikamaru corroborates when he notes it is a pain to have to go deal with Nidaime's killers (VIZ butchered the translations, here). He would not sense their Kurama chakra at first if they were not using it at that time, it even took Karin, a sensor with sensory abilities beyond the Sharingan, a moment to feel Kurama when Naruto was standing right next to her. The second war missed Dan and Sakumo, the latter of which would definitely be stronger than Orochimaru, and would probably push that war to the peak, especially with the context that the second war depleted the country's manpower to the point the next war needed to send out children. 25:00 He could have been lying. He was manipulating their stock to get Itachi where he wanted. 26:40 That is only stated in the Naruto anime. The third war is also missing Sasori, who dyed the sands red. Probably not at full power as he was not a puppet yet, but worth at least an honourable mention.
So regarding the Gold and Silver brothers. My headcannon is that the coup was actually an assassination attempt made by the 3rd Raikage on Tobirama but since it failed they were disgraced etc. And the entire thing got swept under the rug as a coup. Sort of like Itachi but for a different reason. I also assumed they were a part of the Kinkaku Force which killed Tobirama and it wouldn't make sense for them to be alive all the way into the 3rd Raikage's era if they genuenly tried to kill both Tobirama and the 2nd Raikage. My assumption is they were crucial during the war so when they failed to kill Tobirama the 2nd Raikage said it was a coup to keep them on a leash and always have a reason to get rid of them if the info got leaked but he "graciously" forgave them (or made them rogue shinobi while secretly supporting them) and they were then tasked with killing Tobirama, we know the cloud are capable of this since they have a history of gaslighting like with the Hyuga incident.
@@patrickwitek Sandaime Raikage seemed to inherit Nidaime's more peaceful ideology betwixt Kumo and other villages before Yondaime ramped the warmongering back up, so I find it unlikely he would have facilitated a coup. Personally I like to think the Two Lights attacked both Nidaime, Nidaime Raikage died, Sandaime was named on the spot, then they chased down Tobirama and killed him alongside the Kinkaku Butai.
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd He doesn't. EMS madara has no counter for ftg. And before anyone says susano.the sussano is a physical manifestation of chakra if it can be touched it can be tagged if it can be tagged then it can be FTG away. Fight will come down to hands Minato has no hands feats. So it's probably Madara but frog kumite is a buff to tai jitsu abilities
@@johnsonjohnny675it’s a manifestation of madaras chakra if its tags it away he’s teleporting madara along with it. Frog kumite from Minato who can’t even last ten seconds in sage mode? Madara fought the likes of sage Hashirama he’ll be fine. Minato has no counter for the perfect susanoo.
I dont know if u guys realized yet, but theres a huge error u made in the video that needs to be corrected, mu and gen died in the first war but u guys ranked them in the 2nd. They shoulda been ranked in the first war but other than that solid vid🌪💯
I have often questioned that run on sight order for Minato. What good does running on sight do for you, against the fastest man in the world? If he doesn't want to let you run, you won't. Heck, he could pull some horror movie monster BS and just, appear in front of you anytime you think you're in the clear. Should be a surrender on sight order.
If I remember correctly the 2 and 3 wars are same ,the only deference is that by the 3 war Konoha has medical ninjutsu system down, Both wars used genin/kids soldiers,hiruzen and the elders on power and not fighting in the front lines,danzo doing his anbu darkness,konoha definitely loss a lot manpower because hiruzen did not make medical ninjas into a 4 man team until the end of 2 war ,the other villages most had lost more than konoha .they just copy everything konoha does from ninja system, anbu,chunnin exams and the medical system that was created by tsunade. The 3 war gets a lot of hype because minato, but the 1 and 2 most had been crazy we went from ninja’s destroying mountains and having magezords to ninjas fighting with kunai
Remember that children tend to inherit/develop similar gifts and capabilities as their parents. For gifted students like Itachi and Sasuke, it speaks volumes of their father (who would take Itachi to battlefields with him at a super young age). So I wouldn’t put it past the rival candidate of Hokage to being incredibly talented and powerful (there’s a reason why the Uchiha aligned themselves behind him too)
Sakumo,Dan Kato,granny chiyo,3mizukage and 3 kazekage,the 2 stone jinchuriki ham and rochi Second war you guys got that one wrong,not even going to ask about the uzumaki they definitely did not get wiped in the 3 great ninja war
Also, they said that muu and gengetsu were in the second war which clearly isnt. Gengetsu and muu died in the first war, the same war that killed tobirama. Muu thought that tobirama was the one reviving them during the 4th war
Mu and Gengetsu should be in the first war, as they’re questioning if they were brought back by Tobirama, which means they had to have died in the first war before Tobirama died.
Hey do you think the reason Hiruzen was considered a bad Hokage is because Danzo kept using Koto on the elders and Hiruzen in some cases? It’s not far stretched seeing as Danzo was able to use at the 5 kage summit & he has hashirama cells due to Orochimaru
Was yagura active during the 3rd war frame? If he was hot take… Yagura takes A via haux abilities, the mirror mirage for one, will counter anything he throws and will have to lose an arm in character most likely if the coral jutsu lands on him. Yagura deserves more luv
@@landofreeman8994 So is Fugaku but he made the list. Minato said he out did the Sanin and his reputation survived decades after his death that has to mean something if Fugaku gets to rank.
Hanzo is literally weakened in 3 different ways during the 4th Shinobi War 1. Edo Tensai 2. Age (he's at least Mifune's age after 60 closer to 70) 3. He didn't train at the end of his life. What's the difference everyone knows
One point to bring up about fugaku’s placement, while I understand him being to eir due to hype from the clan, I just thought because you two mentioned shisui and itachi together being above him that shouldn’t kakashi be there? Because he’s stronger than mukai and mukai bullied shisui and itachi. Although he might be too young at the time.
Well you have to actually read the full mukai fight mukai bullied 3tomoe itachi while 3 tomoe shisui never got hit once until he had to make a obvious attempt to save itachi from mukai so ms shisui>~ms fugaku>~kakashi>mukai~3tomoe shisui>3tomoe itachi
@ you know it’s 3 tomoe that their comparing right? It’s not said that ms itachi and shisui> fugaku it’s 3 tomoe. Which other than genjutsu in koto you’d be fighting a very uphill battle to say that those young versions of itachi and shisui are beating kakashi at that time. Itachi is missing like half his abilities and shisui (probably) hasn’t reached his full strength
@@TssXD first off what time period are you talking about Because the video is talking about during the war The mukai fight takes place years after the war So using mukai to say kakashi should be up here doesn’t make sense shisui and itachi during the war are weaker than kakashi but id argue after the war I can definitely get atleast 3 tomoe shisui above kakashi of that time And fugaku has ms so he would be above all 3 of them during the war
@ I should’ve of clarified I was talking about during the novel where they fought mukai. During the war I’d can agree with fugaku but after with shisui I disagree. I’m not saying your wrong or wrong for thinking that way I just say kakashi before part one in the Anbu should be stronger than shisui atleast in my opinion
@@TssXD my reasoning is shisui after the war is stated to have kept his ms secret just like fugaku so they have 3 tomoe shisui in mind when the idea to use his speed to kidnap the third is made And the third should be above kakashi
I thought tobirama came up with the ninja academy or the cunin exams. Not exactly sure but I thought I heard another RUclipsr say something of the sort. Can anyone let me know if it was saru or tobi that created it
The Second War should have included Sakumo in the last spot. The Third War should be Fugaku and Shisui over Hiruzen. I'm questioning if Shisui was in the 3rd war now.
@jayash2957 are you sure. He has it when he meets Itachi and that's the sane Itachi who slit someone's throat during the ending of a battle in the 3rd ninja war.
@@diamantemrobinson the beginning of the story of how shisui got ms directly from the novel🔽 “I met a boy at the academy I could call a friend. He fought alongside me after I became a genin too, on the same team. Back then, he was my best friend-we really trusted each other. But …” Shisui fell silent for a moment. “That didn’t last for even a year.” The shocking confession continued further. “This was right after the war ended. Missions were way harsher than they are now. We were in the middle of a mission with a few other teams to clean up after the war, and we ended up by ourselves in another land. Our luck was bad. We ran into more enemies than we could handle. We were staring right at death.”
So you think the rasengan is for show? And you over hype the lightning cloak as if it's some six paths level ability or something. Let's say the rasengan doesn't hurt the lightning cloak do you forget about all the various sealing techniques Minato has and back to the rasengan, the same rasengan from Minato clashed with a tailed beast bomb from kurama and overpowered it while Minato had a hole in his gut and poisoned by kurama chakra and while the rasengan at that point wasn't complete. You lots just love to overlook Minato's physical strength and endurance and just think he's just fast and doesn't have insane physical power to overpower things like the lightning cloak when he could do it with a tailed beast bomb and could stop a whole kurama hand going to pierce Naruto just by his physical strength alone and that was after he was extremely exhausted. So think what you will but stop over hyping the lightning cloak because there are ways to deal with it else the raikages should have been the strongest in the verse because of it.
@ First off rasengan is the same level jutsu as chidori it’s not hurting ay there is no over hype. Second it’s not a matter of physical strength which and endurance which he loses to ay in those categories, it is a matter of amounts of chakra pumped into said jutsu and I’m pretty sure the 4th rail age has more than minato he’s stated to have the chakra reserves of a tailed beast something only said about him and kisame. Let’s have a debate not an argument statements like you lots aren’t going to get you anywhere but ignored. Also!!! Yeah actually the third raikage scares are from himself because he hurt himself with his jutsu and we know the fourth raikage is stronger than him!
@@ronlewis1554 you are just spouting BS and proving my points. Again with the Minato strength downplay. You truly wish the raikage to be the strongest because of the lightning cloak but only in your dreams lol. The rasengan is more powerful than the chidori kiddo and it varies in power between users. Minato used an unfinished rasengan to cancel out a biju bomb from kurama what part of that can't you comprehend? Because they said the raikage had biju levels of chakra now means he has more chakra than Minato? You surely don't understand the lore of the series and just glazing your favorite raikage. Do you know how the RDS works? Do you know how chakra tasking ftg is? If you know these then come back to debate me.
@ Yup I knew it you are here to argue not debate you’re an idiot if you think alive minato has more chakra than ay. Raikage isn’t even my top 5 favorite characters dummy. There is no bull shit being spouted and I already said I think overall minato is a stronger kage than ay if you knew how to fucking read which you clearly don’t.
@ I don’t give a damn how taxing ftg is he doesn’t have more Chakra idiot what’s hard to understand ay is obviously physically stronger and more durable than minato you just sound stupid.
Why are you putting Mu and Gengetsu in the 2nd war? They killed each other during the 1st War and they even thought it was Tobirama bringing them back with Edo Tensei confirming they died before him. Next, Lady Chiyo was almost certainly stronger than Orochimaru at the time of the 2nd war. Considering she was carrying the fight against Sasori while being that old, when she's in her prime vs a Orochimaru who still isn't in his prime it's clear she's better. Not only that but how are you not putting Sakumo Hatake there? He was insinuated to be stronger than the Sanin on numerous occasions and even if you argue he isn't as strong as current Sannin he was most likely stronger than them at the time of the war. Also Jirayia likely had his Sage mode already since he returned from Mount Myoboku before he fought Hanzo so he would have been the strongest of the Sannin by far. All in all, I somewhat disagree with the video. If I had to make a list it'd be like this: First War: 1. Tobirama 2. Hiruzen 3. Mu 4. Gengetsu 5. Kinkaku (I put him above the Raikage because we just don't know anything about him and because Kinkaku was strong enough to have an entire team of elite shinobi named after him, a team that was meant to be the Cloud equivalent to the explosion corps, the puppet brigade, 7 Swordsmen and Twelve Guardian Ninja of other villages.) So this is my own headcanon but I assume the Gold and Silver brothers were actually given a mission to assassinate Tobirama by the 2nd Raikage but because they failed they had to take the fall leaving them disgraced and framed for a coup. The situation doesn't make sense otherwise since we know they were around during the 3rd Raikage's reign. Second War: 1. Hiruzen 2. Hanzo 3. Onoki (This was his prime years, considering how strong he was during the 4th War and the fact his strength was likely greater than that it's pretty evident he should be up here. Probably even above Hanzo but he was glazed so much that I decided to put him above Onoki) 4. Sakumo 5. Chiyo Third War 1. Minato 2. Hiruzen (though honestly I highly doubt he participated in the conflict but since you included him here I guess I will as well) 3. Onoki 4. 3rd Raikage (i just put him above the 4th, especially during this period but it's very long to explain, not that important in the grand scheme of things just a different order.) 5. 4th Raikage (I just don't think he was as strong as prime Onoki.) Honestly only having 5 spots is kinda criminal cause with the knowledge we have about the second and third wars they were pretty stacked, like Han and Roshi were in the second war possibly Might Duy etc. Hanzo, Nagato were having their showdown during the third war and we're not sure if other villages were involved, but that would make this even harder.
Highly skilled can mean a plethora of things that would be considered a problem, rank can be solely based upon one jujutsu you guys are always disingenuous about Toby Rama versus 20 elites, if they were not, why would Toby Rama team run?
Well considering my growth rate, most people are new viewers so if I have to build on presuppositions from previous takes, no take is going to make sense
@Virhtue if I remember he correctly died way before the war probably when hiruzen was in his teens while first war hiruzen was in his early to mid twenties.
@@anbuvisuals1 Didn’t it only take Naruto and sasuke to take down 10 tails obito.Realistically if Minato and Tobirama fought with sage jutsu they could of ended the fight together.Hashirama threw out all thieir bijuu.If you just gang up on him with them he couldn’t win.Madara blind got fodderized when he tried to fight all 9.
@Virhtue Nah? It was stated that the first 2 Kage of the 5 nations died during the first war. Even when Mu was reanimated he thought Tobirama revived him even though he died during the 1st implying that he and Gengetsu killed each other before Tobirama perished.
@@Virhtue I really can’t explain why since I’m not as much of an expert as the rest of you fine fellows (despite being an avid Naruto fan) but I was undecided between the fighters of the first war and the fighters of the third war and I ended up picking the ones from the first war. Anyway I’ll try my humblest and best to explain why: the fighters of the first war are comprised of fighters closer to warring states period and are because of that more battle hardened (this doesn’t mean the others from the other wars are not) which would basically put them in them in their prime and not to mention Tobirama’s team including a very young Hiruzen and Kagami Uchiha (the latter being narratively above my man Shisui Uchiha) and the contemporary existence of the second raikage in relation to Tobirama. I hope that was sufficient. I’m not a power scaler lol, just an avid fan who’s commenting for the first time after listening to your channel for nearly three years or two I can’t quite remember how long you’ve been around but I enjoy your content, Sages, Thunder God and Loko’s.
13:20 Aw hell nawl i love yo content bro but aint no freaking way in any hell is Hanzo the salamander srronger than or out rank or can out do or can defeat Mu and Gangetsu them two should be above Hanzo
@Virhtue I mean mu was the teacher of onoki when madara was a leaf shinobi during the early konoha days,he will be pretty old if he died during 2nd because 2nd war took place like year 20 year's after the 1st ,And mu was sure it was tobirama who brought them back ,if he had died during the 2nd he probably would know that tobirama was dead
I'd love for Kishimoto to release a spinoff that covers the wars. Following Hiruzen, jiriaya and Minato.
Maybe!!
He'll noo! Maybe a few highlight chapters for each of them, but If the wars are ever covered, I would love for them to be covered from a non konha dominant/centric POV.
The other villages are very interesting and have so many blank parts in their histories that deserve to be expounded upon. I want to see Chiyo"s battles against Hanzo, her proxy war with Tsunade, and how she and her brother contributed to being the Sand Village's most consistent and relied upon muscle for decades. I wanna see Pakura her powers and why the Third Kazekage made a deal to set her up to be killed by the Mist Village. I wanna see Sasori earning his name, I wanna see if Raza is is the Third Kazekage's son and if he fought alongside Sasori, Baki, or Garra's mother in the third war. I wanna see the third Mizukage and what he contributed to the mist village( would be a great way to clear up when the whole blood mist stuff started).
I wanna see Shit from Oonoki's POV and why he was always on bullshit, was it because he was tripping or was it because the leaf was wildn out throwing their weight around? (something Madara started with the advent of the village system and something Danzo ironically continued to do once he and Hiruzen rose to power.) Then their is the cloud Village and the intense politics they engaged with to maintain or reach the status of second strongest village over the course of the series.... and so on.
There are so many more stories and characters to be xplored besides the Leaf Village and the people we have gotten to know. I'm not saying don't include them, I'm just saying don't tell these specific stories from their POV. We know them, love them already (Besides Hiruzen), let us see some of the other legends and get more of a feel for the cultures of the other villages in the same vain we got that for Konoha and its Ninja.
Right 4-5 seasons on each war idc how long it is
@@Timquan.good idea but I’d rather know more about Konoha b4 I jump to a whole seperate village😂 the story needs to be fixed and this could fix so many plot holes
@@Timquan.the only problem I have with what ur saying is the leaf village alone has so many characters heavily respected with no back story let alone the other villages, hiruzen for example, all statements and no feats, is he respected as much as the first, second and 4th hokage?? Not at all what about Shisuis story? Relative to itachi but got his eye snatch by danzo and kills himself and that’s it how is it that he was around itachi often yet we have all this info on itachi but nothing really on shisui in the anime??does bro not also have body flicker to dodge with?😂What about sakumo hatake he’s well know and respected as the white fang and all we know is kakashi grew up with no dad cuz he’s dead and don’t even get me started on fugaku… No one can sit here and tell me he didn’t at least deserve a filler episode on something about his past and how he got the name wiked eye
Pretty sure it's implied the first 2 generation Kage died by the end of the 1st Shinobi war. Considering Mu & Gengetsu thought that Tobirama was using edo tensei to revive them, it's pretty clear that they died prior to the death of Tobirama. With that, the 1st shinobi war power would have been crazy strong
Feel like Sakumo not being on the list is a crime
Honorable Mention for 3rd war is Han noted to have the fastest Taijutsu during his lifetime plus can quickly fire off Bijuu Bombs he's definitely top 10 imo
it’s so crazy how the hidden stone and hidden cloud villages had there jinchuriki’s basically under control at this point but i think roshi could be an honorable mention too not many ninja could probably deal with lava style atp
@christianftt3136 Even the hidden mist had the world's first perfect Jinchuriki probably towards the end of the war.
Always a pleasure 🙏🏼
Love it
Yall are awesome
We need a montage of every time Virthue has said Minato is “praised among all ninja as the greatest in God-like speed” 🤣🤣🤣
He does that to wank
18:35:
Swagkage was the madara glazer back in the day
Virhtue is the minato glazer of today
Pretty sure there's a databook statement (maybe in the manga as well, don't remember) placing Sakumo above the Sannin during the second war.
Minato said that sannin paled in comparison to sakumo
So sakumo is almost hashirama level
@@arieffarihin9844freak no the sanin are no where near close to hashirama
@@arieffarihin9844you wish lol
Great video I loved it. I can hardly wait for that Shisui video too.
Can't wait! I’ve been doing quite a bit of research and I’m very excited for how it’s gonna turn out!
@ Glaze my man Shisui please as you guys often say amongst these circles! I want that Shisui Uchiha glaze lol. Your channel rocks Virhtue.
You already did it with Minato and justifiably so, now let’s see the glaze with my man Shisui Uchiha!
Sakumo "Makes the Sannin pale compared to his abilities" Hatake not even being mentioned is crazy ngl
Also Honorable mention to Han and Roshi who not just beat an early war Minato´s entire squad but even taunted all of Konoha at being unable to compete with them without Kushina/The Ninetails
Wouldn't that include hiruzen at the time or was he out of the village
It's such a satisfying feeling going to check the time and Bam Virhtue posted 🔥😁
Yessir, you know what’s up
I did the same thing!!!
For me
1st: Tobirama, Muu, Gengetsu, hiruzen, kin/gin
2nd: hiruzen, hanzo, onooki, sakumo, chiyo
3rd: minato, hiruzen,onoki ,A, sasori,
Ur becoming the new swagkage , keep it up man
Thanks king
5:20 that Hokage line of them being the strongest doing heavy lifting imo.
Uchiha are like "I've never seen this Fugaku guy do anything, but he seems valid so he can lead the clan I guess"
virhtue dropped and my food just came in ❤
The POV gengetsu water gun was hilarious. the water gun i no joke, suigetsu threatened to kill sasuke with it a bit after he was freed by sasuke (can't remember if it was filler or not but it the jutsu is usually portrayed as strong)
Is it just me or did they just say that muu and gengetsu survived the first war? They were killed in the first war right. Muu even stated when they were reanimated that the second hokage was the one reviving them not knowing tobirama was long dead. And tobirama died in the first war
@@arieffarihin9844 I dunno, I honestly don't know the shinobi war lore all too well. Maybe they (Muu) thought tobirama dying was fake since he was the strongest in the world and had survived assasination in the past. Or maybe they made a mistake, who knows. (i dont )
Definitely want a Shisui video
Love this video idea 🔥🔥
The modern day lineup is so stacked they would destroy every named shinobi from the past at once. Even without reincarnates and jins, you have Akatsuki, Kabuto with no edo, Sannin, Shisui, 5 kage, Guy, Kakashi. It's just the strongest generation in every way.
Lowkey
They forgot Hakumo was alive during the 2nd and the beginning of the 3rd Ninja War and he's a couple of years older than the Sannin;
Add Jiraiya(specially after learning Sage mode), Orochi and Nagato in the 3rd Ninja War;
Also Mu was around for the 1st Ninja War and Onoki was already a master by the 2nd Ninja War and was known as the only Kage to be near Hiruzen.
Thanks for the upload, homie. Right before I go to work. Something I can listen while on the job.
Hope it's a good day at work!
@@Virhtue Thank you, I appreciate it❤️
I gotta imagine this video would take at bare minimum a month to make but seeing you two do a 3 way war between all eras would go hard.
6:15 If the Two Lights were not part of Kumo it would not exactly apply to them. A rogue element returning and trying to take over would still fit a coup. Or they were just hiding their true power if they decided at that moment to defect.
8:00 Kinkaku said he left Tobirama for dead, that is, he probably killed him, when he was revived, so he was probably leading the Kinkaku Butai. Shikamaru corroborates when he notes it is a pain to have to go deal with Nidaime's killers (VIZ butchered the translations, here). He would not sense their Kurama chakra at first if they were not using it at that time, it even took Karin, a sensor with sensory abilities beyond the Sharingan, a moment to feel Kurama when Naruto was standing right next to her. The second war missed Dan and Sakumo, the latter of which would definitely be stronger than Orochimaru, and would probably push that war to the peak, especially with the context that the second war depleted the country's manpower to the point the next war needed to send out children.
25:00 He could have been lying. He was manipulating their stock to get Itachi where he wanted.
26:40 That is only stated in the Naruto anime.
The third war is also missing Sasori, who dyed the sands red. Probably not at full power as he was not a puppet yet, but worth at least an honourable mention.
So regarding the Gold and Silver brothers. My headcannon is that the coup was actually an assassination attempt made by the 3rd Raikage on Tobirama but since it failed they were disgraced etc. And the entire thing got swept under the rug as a coup. Sort of like Itachi but for a different reason. I also assumed they were a part of the Kinkaku Force which killed Tobirama and it wouldn't make sense for them to be alive all the way into the 3rd Raikage's era if they genuenly tried to kill both Tobirama and the 2nd Raikage. My assumption is they were crucial during the war so when they failed to kill Tobirama the 2nd Raikage said it was a coup to keep them on a leash and always have a reason to get rid of them if the info got leaked but he "graciously" forgave them (or made them rogue shinobi while secretly supporting them) and they were then tasked with killing Tobirama, we know the cloud are capable of this since they have a history of gaslighting like with the Hyuga incident.
@@patrickwitek Sandaime Raikage seemed to inherit Nidaime's more peaceful ideology betwixt Kumo and other villages before Yondaime ramped the warmongering back up, so I find it unlikely he would have facilitated a coup. Personally I like to think the Two Lights attacked both Nidaime, Nidaime Raikage died, Sandaime was named on the spot, then they chased down Tobirama and killed him alongside the Kinkaku Butai.
How was the white fang below orochimaru in 2nd when he was hailed as superior to all 3
What about kakashi's dad? Wasn't he stated to be stronger than the sanin?
I’m gonna love this one
The cloud is actually the village hidden in the hood. Their headbands are actually doorags 😂
Wow that's an amazing comment 😂😂😂😂
Nice vid.
What about Sakumo? Did he die in between wars?
Woah woah woah wheres sakumo attty
Minato vs Madara (all forms) when?
Minato gets stomped but would be a cool video
Who know?!?!
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xdI think kcm minato vs ems madara (no nine tails) would be a good fight
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd He doesn't. EMS madara has no counter for ftg. And before anyone says susano.the sussano is a physical manifestation of chakra if it can be touched it can be tagged if it can be tagged then it can be FTG away.
Fight will come down to hands Minato has no hands feats. So it's probably Madara but frog kumite is a buff to tai jitsu abilities
@@johnsonjohnny675it’s a manifestation of madaras chakra if its tags it away he’s teleporting madara along with it. Frog kumite from Minato who can’t even last ten seconds in sage mode? Madara fought the likes of sage Hashirama he’ll be fine. Minato has no counter for the perfect susanoo.
minato is such a beast
Always
Take a shot every time Virhtue says “So yeah”
I think that the 1st world war is so interesting man I wish we could see those battles
I dont know if u guys realized yet, but theres a huge error u made in the video that needs to be corrected, mu and gen died in the first war but u guys ranked them in the 2nd. They shoulda been ranked in the first war but other than that solid vid🌪💯
I have often questioned that run on sight order for Minato. What good does running on sight do for you, against the fastest man in the world? If he doesn't want to let you run, you won't. Heck, he could pull some horror movie monster BS and just, appear in front of you anytime you think you're in the clear. Should be a surrender on sight order.
Why not sakumo hatake for spot 5 in 2nd shinobi war.
If I remember correctly the 2 and 3 wars are same ,the only deference is that by the 3 war Konoha has medical ninjutsu system down,
Both wars used genin/kids soldiers,hiruzen and the elders on power and not fighting in the front lines,danzo doing his anbu darkness,konoha definitely loss a lot manpower because hiruzen did not make medical ninjas into a 4 man team until the end of 2 war ,the other villages most had lost more than konoha .they just copy everything konoha does from ninja system, anbu,chunnin exams and the medical system that was created by tsunade. The 3 war gets a lot of hype because minato, but the 1 and 2 most had been crazy we went from ninja’s destroying mountains and having magezords to ninjas fighting with kunai
Remember that children tend to inherit/develop similar gifts and capabilities as their parents. For gifted students like Itachi and Sasuke, it speaks volumes of their father (who would take Itachi to battlefields with him at a super young age). So I wouldn’t put it past the rival candidate of Hokage to being incredibly talented and powerful (there’s a reason why the Uchiha aligned themselves behind him too)
A teem of hiruzen minato,fugaku, ay bee and jiraiya during this period would go crazy.
Sakumo,Dan Kato,granny chiyo,3mizukage and 3 kazekage,the 2 stone jinchuriki ham and rochi
Second war you guys got that one wrong,not even going to ask about the uzumaki they definitely did not get wiped in the 3 great ninja war
Also, they said that muu and gengetsu were in the second war which clearly isnt. Gengetsu and muu died in the first war, the same war that killed tobirama.
Muu thought that tobirama was the one reviving them during the 4th war
@ first and second generation kages died in the 1 great ninja war
@@dankato1764 not confirmed about the kazekage though
Mu and Gengetsu should be in the first war, as they’re questioning if they were brought back by Tobirama, which means they had to have died in the first war before Tobirama died.
25:48 doesn’t a random guy with a byukagan stomp on them? Also it’s kind of weird with fugaku because it’s not confirmed to be his mangekyo
So refreshing to see a good naruto vid on my feed and not “what if naruto was adopted inuzuka clan”
Minato was said to be the best in the 3rdwar you forgot Fugaku
Did you guys forget about sakumo????
You said theres some guide that says the sanin were approaching the hokage level in there 2nd war counter parts. Do you happen to know which one
Hey do you think the reason Hiruzen was considered a bad Hokage is because Danzo kept using Koto on the elders and Hiruzen in some cases? It’s not far stretched seeing as Danzo was able to use at the 5 kage summit & he has hashirama cells due to Orochimaru
Lord Muu 🔥
great video. i do think hanzo might be stronger than hiruzen tho.
Was yagura active during the 3rd war frame? If he was hot take… Yagura takes A via haux abilities, the mirror mirage for one, will counter anything he throws and will have to lose an arm in character most likely if the coral jutsu lands on him. Yagura deserves more luv
Yagura likely wasn’t, but he is pretty powerful
What about kakashi's dad
Featless
@@landofreeman8994 So is Fugaku but he made the list. Minato said he out did the Sanin and his reputation survived decades after his death that has to mean something if Fugaku gets to rank.
Hanzo is literally weakened in 3 different ways during the 4th Shinobi War
1. Edo Tensai
2. Age (he's at least Mifune's age after 60 closer to 70)
3. He didn't train at the end of his life.
What's the difference everyone knows
Who would actually win between oldman hiruzen and danzo against sasuke in the summit?
you guys forgot about sakumo the white fang
finally someone mentions how neither kin or gin were there
One point to bring up about fugaku’s placement, while I understand him being to eir due to hype from the clan, I just thought because you two mentioned shisui and itachi together being above him that shouldn’t kakashi be there? Because he’s stronger than mukai and mukai bullied shisui and itachi. Although he might be too young at the time.
Well you have to actually read the full mukai fight mukai bullied 3tomoe itachi while 3 tomoe shisui never got hit once until he had to make a obvious attempt to save itachi from mukai
so ms shisui>~ms fugaku>~kakashi>mukai~3tomoe shisui>3tomoe itachi
@ you know it’s 3 tomoe that their comparing right? It’s not said that ms itachi and shisui> fugaku it’s 3 tomoe. Which other than genjutsu in koto you’d be fighting a very uphill battle to say that those young versions of itachi and shisui are beating kakashi at that time. Itachi is missing like half his abilities and shisui (probably) hasn’t reached his full strength
@@TssXD first off what time period are you talking about
Because the video is talking about during the war
The mukai fight takes place years after the war
So using mukai to say kakashi should be up here doesn’t make sense
shisui and itachi during the war are weaker than kakashi but id argue after the war
I can definitely get atleast 3 tomoe shisui above kakashi of that time
And fugaku has ms so he would be above all 3 of them during the war
@ I should’ve of clarified I was talking about during the novel where they fought mukai. During the war I’d can agree with fugaku but after with shisui I disagree. I’m not saying your wrong or wrong for thinking that way I just say kakashi before part one in the Anbu should be stronger than shisui atleast in my opinion
@@TssXD my reasoning is shisui after the war is stated to have kept his ms secret just like fugaku so they have 3 tomoe shisui in mind when the idea to use his speed to kidnap the third is made
And the third should be above kakashi
Aren’t gengetsu and Mu convinced Tobirama revived them?
This is fucking crazy
Mu and gengetsu likely died in the first war, cause they think that Tobirama revive them, so tobirama should be alive when they died
I thought tobirama came up with the ninja academy or the cunin exams. Not exactly sure but I thought I heard another RUclipsr say something of the sort. Can anyone let me know if it was saru or tobi that created it
3rd Raikage done dirty 🤣
I would had kakashi dad the white fang did he not fight in the 3rd war
Since the fourth ninja war hasn’t been ranked I’ll do it here:
1- Kaguya
2- Three eyed Juubidara
3- Six Paths Naruto
4- Rinnegan Sasuke
5- DMS Kakashi
The Second War should have included Sakumo in the last spot.
The Third War should be Fugaku and Shisui over Hiruzen. I'm questioning if Shisui was in the 3rd war now.
Shisui was in the war but didn’t have ms yet
@jayash2957 are you sure. He has it when he meets Itachi and that's the sane Itachi who slit someone's throat during the ending of a battle in the 3rd ninja war.
@@diamantemrobinson the beginning of the story of how shisui got ms directly from the novel🔽
“I met a boy at the academy I could call a friend. He fought alongside me after I became a genin too, on the same team. Back then, he was my best friend-we really trusted each other. But …” Shisui fell silent for a moment. “That didn’t last for even a year.” The shocking confession continued further. “This was right after the war ended. Missions were way harsher than they are now. We were in the middle of a mission with a few other teams to clean up after the war, and we ended up by ourselves in another land. Our luck was bad. We ran into more enemies than we could handle. We were staring right at death.”
@@jayash2957 oh ok it's been a while since I read the novels and the anime mixed and meshed multiple events
@@jayash2957 yeah just looked into I understand why the anime is kinda misleading on it. It was during a post war clean up mission
Ngl the minato glaze is crazy he ain’t way above Ay he’s an overall stronger kage but I don’t know if he can get through the lightning cloak.
So you think the rasengan is for show? And you over hype the lightning cloak as if it's some six paths level ability or something. Let's say the rasengan doesn't hurt the lightning cloak do you forget about all the various sealing techniques Minato has and back to the rasengan, the same rasengan from Minato clashed with a tailed beast bomb from kurama and overpowered it while Minato had a hole in his gut and poisoned by kurama chakra and while the rasengan at that point wasn't complete. You lots just love to overlook Minato's physical strength and endurance and just think he's just fast and doesn't have insane physical power to overpower things like the lightning cloak when he could do it with a tailed beast bomb and could stop a whole kurama hand going to pierce Naruto just by his physical strength alone and that was after he was extremely exhausted. So think what you will but stop over hyping the lightning cloak because there are ways to deal with it else the raikages should have been the strongest in the verse because of it.
@ First off rasengan is the same level jutsu as chidori it’s not hurting ay there is no over hype. Second it’s not a matter of physical strength which and endurance which he loses to ay in those categories, it is a matter of amounts of chakra pumped into said jutsu and I’m pretty sure the 4th rail age has more than minato he’s stated to have the chakra reserves of a tailed beast something only said about him and kisame. Let’s have a debate not an argument statements like you lots aren’t going to get you anywhere but ignored. Also!!! Yeah actually the third raikage scares are from himself because he hurt himself with his jutsu and we know the fourth raikage is stronger than him!
@@ronlewis1554 you are just spouting BS and proving my points. Again with the Minato strength downplay. You truly wish the raikage to be the strongest because of the lightning cloak but only in your dreams lol. The rasengan is more powerful than the chidori kiddo and it varies in power between users. Minato used an unfinished rasengan to cancel out a biju bomb from kurama what part of that can't you comprehend? Because they said the raikage had biju levels of chakra now means he has more chakra than Minato? You surely don't understand the lore of the series and just glazing your favorite raikage. Do you know how the RDS works? Do you know how chakra tasking ftg is? If you know these then come back to debate me.
@ Yup I knew it you are here to argue not debate you’re an idiot if you think alive minato has more chakra than ay. Raikage isn’t even my top 5 favorite characters dummy. There is no bull shit being spouted and I already said I think overall minato is a stronger kage than ay if you knew how to fucking read which you clearly don’t.
@ I don’t give a damn how taxing ftg is he doesn’t have more Chakra idiot what’s hard to understand ay is obviously physically stronger and more durable than minato you just sound stupid.
Why are you putting Mu and Gengetsu in the 2nd war? They killed each other during the 1st War and they even thought it was Tobirama bringing them back with Edo Tensei confirming they died before him. Next, Lady Chiyo was almost certainly stronger than Orochimaru at the time of the 2nd war. Considering she was carrying the fight against Sasori while being that old, when she's in her prime vs a Orochimaru who still isn't in his prime it's clear she's better. Not only that but how are you not putting Sakumo Hatake there? He was insinuated to be stronger than the Sanin on numerous occasions and even if you argue he isn't as strong as current Sannin he was most likely stronger than them at the time of the war. Also Jirayia likely had his Sage mode already since he returned from Mount Myoboku before he fought Hanzo so he would have been the strongest of the Sannin by far.
All in all, I somewhat disagree with the video. If I had to make a list it'd be like this:
First War:
1. Tobirama
2. Hiruzen
3. Mu
4. Gengetsu
5. Kinkaku (I put him above the Raikage because we just don't know anything about him and because Kinkaku was strong enough to have an entire team of elite shinobi named after him, a team that was meant to be the Cloud equivalent to the explosion corps, the puppet brigade, 7 Swordsmen and Twelve Guardian Ninja of other villages.)
So this is my own headcanon but I assume the Gold and Silver brothers were actually given a mission to assassinate Tobirama by the 2nd Raikage but because they failed they had to take the fall leaving them disgraced and framed for a coup. The situation doesn't make sense otherwise since we know they were around during the 3rd Raikage's reign.
Second War:
1. Hiruzen
2. Hanzo
3. Onoki (This was his prime years, considering how strong he was during the 4th War and the fact his strength was likely greater than that it's pretty evident he should be up here. Probably even above Hanzo but he was glazed so much that I decided to put him above Onoki)
4. Sakumo
5. Chiyo
Third War
1. Minato
2. Hiruzen (though honestly I highly doubt he participated in the conflict but since you included him here I guess I will as well)
3. Onoki
4. 3rd Raikage (i just put him above the 4th, especially during this period but it's very long to explain, not that important in the grand scheme of things just a different order.)
5. 4th Raikage (I just don't think he was as strong as prime Onoki.)
Honestly only having 5 spots is kinda criminal cause with the knowledge we have about the second and third wars they were pretty stacked, like Han and Roshi were in the second war possibly Might Duy etc. Hanzo, Nagato were having their showdown during the third war and we're not sure if other villages were involved, but that would make this even harder.
Highly skilled can mean a plethora of things that would be considered a problem, rank can be solely based upon one jujutsu you guys are always disingenuous about Toby Rama versus 20 elites, if they were not, why would Toby Rama team run?
You don't have to go into the same details about the characters every single time
Well considering my growth rate, most people are new viewers so if I have to build on presuppositions from previous takes, no take is going to make sense
@@VirhtueW
Why we excluding Hashirama?
@@Archer170 because you’re on his dik that’s why
There isn’t a way to imply he had involvement in the first war other than if you stretch a Tsunade statement beyond what’s it supposed to imply
bruh whos gonna declare war while Hashirama is alive? 💀
@Virhtue if I remember he correctly died way before the war probably when hiruzen was in his teens while first war hiruzen was in his early to mid twenties.
@@anbuvisuals1 Didn’t it only take Naruto and sasuke to take down 10 tails obito.Realistically if Minato and Tobirama fought with sage jutsu they could of ended the fight together.Hashirama threw out all thieir bijuu.If you just gang up on him with them he couldn’t win.Madara blind got fodderized when he tried to fight all 9.
Nah i give 5th on the 2nd war to the white fang of the leaf
That is not the strongest fire style jutsu
I'm pretty sure Mu and Gengetsu died during the First War.
Nah
Second war if I remember correctly
@Virhtue Nah? It was stated that the first 2 Kage of the 5 nations died during the first war. Even when Mu was reanimated he thought Tobirama revived him even though he died during the 1st implying that he and Gengetsu killed each other before Tobirama perished.
@@mushypunch oh gotcha I kinda forgot about that to be honest
35:50 Gangetsu and Mu are stronger than Hanzo
Dollar Sto FagKage
I think the first war has the strongest fighters.
Why so?
@@Virhtue I really can’t explain why since I’m not as much of an expert as the rest of you fine fellows (despite being an avid Naruto fan) but I was undecided between the fighters of the first war and the fighters of the third war and I ended up picking the ones from the first war. Anyway I’ll try my humblest and best to explain why: the fighters of the first war are comprised of fighters closer to warring states period and are because of that more battle hardened (this doesn’t mean the others from the other wars are not) which would basically put them in them in their prime and not to mention Tobirama’s team including a very young Hiruzen and Kagami Uchiha (the latter being narratively above my man Shisui Uchiha) and the contemporary existence of the second raikage in relation to Tobirama. I hope that was sufficient. I’m not a power scaler lol, just an avid fan who’s commenting for the first time after listening to your channel for nearly three years or two I can’t quite remember how long you’ve been around but I enjoy your content, Sages, Thunder God and Loko’s.
Mu and gengetsu died in the first war bro
13:20 Aw hell nawl i love yo content bro but aint no freaking way in any hell is Hanzo the salamander srronger than or out rank or can out do or can defeat Mu and Gangetsu them two should be above Hanzo
Pretty sure mu and gengetsu died during the first great shinobi war
We don’t know and they would of been very young during the first
@Virhtue I mean mu was the teacher of onoki when madara was a leaf shinobi during the early konoha days,he will be pretty old if he died during 2nd because 2nd war took place like year 20 year's after the 1st ,And mu was sure it was tobirama who brought them back ,if he had died during the 2nd he probably would know that tobirama was dead
There's a lot of misinformation on this video. Be better next time
No there isn’t and I’d like you to give me any example you’d like and I’ll show you its source
Me waiting to make sure that the 5th Hokage lady Tsunade received her 10s for the Second Shinobi war 👀😂