How Tom Landry's Flex Defense Countered Vince Lombardi's Run To Daylight Concept! War Stories!
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There's a strange twist of irony to this. When Tom Landry became head coach of the Cowboys and Vince Lombardi went to the Packers the Giants had to chance to hire either one of them and let them get away. The Giants might have been what the Packers were in the 60s and the Cowboys were in the 70s.
That's interesting. That would have been a crazy turn of events!
Maybe. As an aside, the Giants were very good even without Lombardi, but they could not get over the hump. They lost the NFL championship game FIVE times between 1958 (Lombardi’s last year with the Giants) and 1963. Then, they fell on real hard times for 20 years before winning championships again in the 1980’s. Not unlike the 25-year nightmare Packers’ fans endured from 1968 until the early 1990’s.
I LIVE STRANGE TWISTS OF IRONY!!
Let’s not forget that’s the Giants from 1958 to 1963 were in five NFL championship games. So they did pretty well for themselves. However, starting with 1964 it was a long dry spell.
@@shackdaddy7106 no. Lets forget that actually
One of the greatest coaches all time and an innovator on all levels!
Facts!
Thank you for being a Cowboys fan and for sharing your gift with us. Excellent job!
Thanks!
Landry is a legend. all time great.
Tom Landry was an offensive and defensive genius. 😊
Yes he was, Landry was the architect of the modern NFL defenses, and versions of them we see NFL teams run today.
Maybe, but Lombardi won 5 championships. How many did Landry win?
He was? Then why in the HE!! didn't he win a championship or three, like Lombardi did?
@@dougamundson6836 It does not matter, they both were coaches on the NY Giants championship team and they both are in the Hall of Fame. Enough said.
It DOES matter. I am NOT saying that Landry was not a good/great coach. I just got tired of hearing how great he was when Lombardi won more championships. @@charlesharris3373
Great job explaining the Flex. Tom was a master coach. Of course, having great players always helps.
Lifelong Packer fan here. And this is ANOTHER great video.
The play at 2:30 (Note that Forrest Gregg is playing RG. And a great block by Paul Hornung on the OLB) is the best example of how the sweep looked drawn up on the board.
I have Lombardi's "playbook." A book he wrote while coaching. He was running what today would be the Zone play. QB gives to the FB and the OL man blocks the defense where ever they want to go. RB runs to you know what.
In the 66 game the Packers were about to take a 35-20 (3 scores needed by Dallas) and some guy named Bob Lilly blocked the PAT. On 3rd and 20 GB blew a coverage and gave up a 68 yd TD pass to Frank Norman. So both teams made mistakes, not just Dallas.
In the Ice Bowl on the drive to win the game, GB gets down to about the 13. Starr calls what he later described as "the best call of my career." Fuzzy Thurston pulls right, Lilly follows him, and Chuck Mercein bursts down inside the 3. Starr had called the sucker play and used Dallas' rules against them.
I think your point about how the real matchup was GB's defense vs Dallas' offense is a great one. I have never seen it presented like that before. 👍👍👍
Thanks bro 🙏!!!
Forrest Gregg was a Tackle, and Jerry Kramer was the RG.
@@marlynhebert9728 Usually. Gregg often moved to Guard when a guard was injured. Actually look at the 2:30 mark.
@@marlynhebert9728 I had Kramer's book.
I read somewhere that Paul Hornung was (maybe) the best blocking running back ever. I wish I had more info on the subject.
Thank you for all of your videos. Brings me back to when I was a boy, sitting by the fireplace watching the Cowboys with my Dad.
Glad to bring back good memories!
My man, Landry may have been the Mad Scientist, but you are proving yourself to be the Mad Analyst. Great video once again!!
Thanks bro 🙏 😆 🤣
How many championships?
My favorite Cowboy is Tom Landry, flex defense, 40 defense, shotgun offense. A true football guru!
Facts
How many championships?
@@dougamundson6836 taking a startup team record 270-178-6 in 29 years only surpassed by Halas and Shula
20 straight winning seasons
5 NFC Championships more than any other. Joe Gibbs had 4 Bill Walsh 3
5 Super Bowl appearances with 2 wins.
He introduced the "flex defense" and "multiple offense" in the 1960s. In the 1970s, he restructured the "shotgun" or "spread" offense and, in the 1980s, he embraced and helped develop the "situation substitution" concept of handling his player talent.
If you are the guy I insulted, I am INCREDIBLY sorry. I HATE it when I do STUPID things, which I did.
Everybody really NEEDS to remember....the Super Bowl is the NFL Championship. That is it. SO, when you talk Super Bowls, please remember that there were LOTS of NFL Championships before 1967. PLEASE.
This channel is criminally underrated. Always a pleasure when I get a notification of a new video. Keep up the great work!
Much appreciated!
The counter-trey of the Redskins also is a huge reason the Flex was figured it out. It was slower to develop allowing the Oline to climb to the backers. It also trapped the the DL playing off the ball . The Rams killed the Flex in the playoffs a couple of times with Dickerson.
Good points!
That was because Joe Gibbs learned this strategy from Don Corel with the chargers and the Rams OC was Ernie zampeze who also was off the Air Coyrel coaching tree
Plus the Cowboys just didn’t have as good of players as before
Wow! The Logical Cowboy’s explanation of description of these systems & concepts is the best I’ve ever seen.
Thanks brother!!
SO WHAT? How many championships? Wait, what? How many?
@@dougamundson6836 Landry won 2 Super Bowls. He became HC of the Cowboys when it was expansion team & built a contender. Don’t tell me you’re one of those ppl who doesn’t understand coaching not that the other side is coached too. Should a field goal or missing one or losing a game in -35 temps in a tight score that comes down to the end against the most dominant team of the era somehow invalidate innovation. How can you appreciate the way Landry coached & realizes that he put the whole system together on both sides of the ball? Today we see teams lose games when a few key players are out due to injuries? Landry made it to 5 Super Bowls & was a contender all the way into the early 1980s. His sustained success was amazing & he did his rebuilds while winning. Sometimes there’s just teams that become juggernauts like the 1985 Bears, the 1991 Redskins, the 1999 Rams, etc. Landry built that Cowboys team & went against another coach from the Giants, Vince Lombardi. The Super Bowl was an afterthought the first 3 seasons. The NFL title game was the goal before then & Landry made it to the NFL title game. But go back & look at the records of the teams that won championships between 1960 & 1968. Even the good teams lost plenty of games each season back then.
@@dougamundson6836 It was such a different game back then. Lombardi built a machine & Landry designed X’s & O’s that gave his team the best chance to win IF they played perfectly. Sometimes a team is just so good there’s almost zero chance of beating them. That’s where the best coaching has to do all they can & hope for a few plays to come out their way. We have to remember that players weren’t always happy about following diagramed plays. When Paul Brown started the practice of diagraming plays, classroom teaching & assembling a playbook, some sports writers objected that he was ruininginf the game & turning great players into nothing more than chess pieces who were robbed of their ability to react. But Landry & Lombardi along with coaches like Sid Gillman took play design to another level.
@@r.williamcomm7693 I would love to argue with you, but I can't. Everything you said was spot-on. Rats!
I know many felt Landry was out of touch and the game had left him behind but I think the biggest issue was the aging talent and lack of talent .
Good point!
I think both the talent deficiency and Landry's coaching both played a role in the
Cowboy decline in the late 1980s. As smart as Landry was I have no doubt he could have adapted if he was 20 years younger. I think he became set in his ways as he aged; and not having a solid roster from top to bottom made things even worse.
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How can you evolve your system with a bunch of 10-15 year vets
Charlie Waters told him to consider the 3-4 defense. Landry refused to consider it.
Landry was a great coach but his biggest downfall may have been the prideful belief in 'The System'.
That was a fantastic piece Of history i'm a Pittsburgh Steeler, die hard. And you must respect Foot Ball presented the way you did.👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks bro!
I just watched Superbowl XIII...Dallas - Pittsburgh. What a great game 35-31...one of the great Superbowls. I was on active duty in the Army in 1979 so I did not get to see the game live and only recently watched it for the first time. The announcers kept talking about the "flex" defense, but I was not familiar with it. Watching the game I was impressed with Dallas' flex defense and how effective it was against the Pittsburgh/Franco Harris run game. Thanks for making the video.
Tom Landry demeanor is so cool. It's like nothing in this world bothers him.
I can watch this a thousand times.
Thanks!!
I learn something new every time I view your videos. Thanks.
Thanks for watching
Just ran across this video by accident. This was fantastic. Now I have to go watch more of your work.
Thanks bro!
Great series. Appreciate the hard work.
Thanks for watching 🙏
Outstanding! A must for Cowboys and Football purists!!
Thanks bro 🙏!!
"Vince Lombardi won 5 championships without ever using sarcasm. He just yelled and shoved people."
Hank Hill
LC, The second time is as good as the first. Thanks for this awesome review of Coach Landry and Coach Lombardi. And they changed the game.
Thanks for watching... again lol 🙏
Great research and narration. Very well explained. Nice!
Thanks bro!
This was brilliant. You did an amazing job, breaking down the flex. I sort of knew what it was but I really didn’t quite understand it but now I have a much better understanding thanks to your tutelage.
Thanks for the compliments, bro!
@@thelogicalcowboyyou’re welcome man! I will definitely check out the rest of your content!
Other than the boilerplate opening ( "but to understand [fill-in-the-blank] we have to go back to the beginning" ) this is a great video. Well done.
Thanks bro!
Thorough and well explained video ! Thanks
Thanks bro for watching
Not a Cowboys fan, or a hater for that matter, but this was awesome. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you, Logical Cowboy.
You're welcome 🙏
This was very insightful. Goes to show how strategic football can be.
Very good video! As clearly explained as I've ever seen!
That's because they worked together as the offensive and defensive coordinators of the New York Football Giants before getting their own head coaching gigs. They knew each other's systems perfectly as they scrimmaged against one another during practices.
What an exceptional video. Great content, analysis, and editing. Need more videos like this in my life
Thanks bro!
Great research and presentation. I learned a lot. 🙌
Thanks!!
It's crazy how these thing evolve and then get phased out as weaknesses in the various schemes are found. I can see a team with especially good OLBs and CBs playing the Flex Defense to defend against the run in today's RPO schemes. RPO Quarterbacks would have to choose the run more with really good DBs and outside LBs playing really close to the line, jamming the receivers and TE. The flex works so well against the run too because it forces the offensive linemen to tip their hand about where the play is going before they make contact with the defensive linemen in the flex. On a sweep, that keeps the guards from being able to create the famous Lombardi "seal" to create the running lane; the Defensive guys in the flex just go to where they can't get sealed off. If you run right at the defensive lineman in the flex, the defensive linemen on the line just collapse in and the play goes for 2, maybe 3 yards tops. If it's a pass play, the the defensive linemen in the Flex get to accelarate those first 2 or 3 steps before they make contact with the guard or tackle and that added speed enables them to beat the guard or tackle and get to the Quarterback faster. With the right mix of players I can see the Flex Defense working today. You'd just have to vary it up a lot and give different looks at different points in the game, like having the interior 2 guys in the flex or even dropping a guy back into coverage, things like that.
🔥 🔥 great breakdown bro!
Entertaining and informative. Keep em coming
Could Lombardi Coach winning teams today? Absolutely with out question. Because Lombardi was a Hall of Fame Teacher first and foremost. Lombardi was the greatest teacher ever.
I agree
Legendary coach!
Great job buddy. Great video.
Thanks 👍!!!
Lee Roy Jordan should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Facts
Imagine that Lombardi didn't die in 71. Lasted another 10 years. Lombardi Landry 2 times a year for 10 years. Would've been football heaven.
Really cool video, thank you.
You're welcome!
Lombardi was ahead of his time. Like many coaches to this day they have plays vs odd fronts and even fronts.
Lombardi taught how to block vs different fronts for his run plays.
With that flex d look at how many guys are near the line. So quick tosses or straight ahead runs with some traps would work better.
Here in Texas some of the smaller HS still run the 'T'....
Absolutely fantastic video. Keep tightening up your editing chops and you're going to be one of the best NFL channels out there.
Thanks for the input, bro.
Another very interesting video. Here's another comment about the Packers vs. the flex. I remember listening to Bart Starr as a color commentator doing a Cowboys game not long after he retired. His partner asked him how the Packers had managed to beat the Cowboys. "Well," he said, "one way is to throw on first and second down, because in that flex defense only two men are in good position to rush the passer." As Johnny Unitas said, every defense gives you something!
You are absolutely correct! The issue was indeed first and second downs. In the pre-80s era, especially in the 60s, many teams would primarily run the ball on those downs and throw it on third down. That gave the defensive coordinator a better guess when the offense was going to throw the ball. However, things started to change in the mid to late-70s with Don Coryell's arrival with the Cardinals and the evolution of the passing game. Teams began throwing the ball more often on first and second downs, which, as you mentioned, became a problem for the flex defense.
Thanks for watching. Good post!! By the way!
Good stuff TLC, as always!
Appreciate you!!
Outstanding video analysis of early football; especially of my Cowboys
Thanks!!
Except when they played the Packers.
I grew up in the '70s hating the Cowboys, and, well, some things never change. :) But boy do I remember watching Pat Summerall call Cowboy games and talking constantly about the Flex defense. And I gotta admit, it worked. Landry was a real genius.
By 1965, the GB Packer offense had transitioned to a more pass oriented offense. In 1965 & 1966, Green Bay only averaged 3.5 yards per carry against the entire league. Taylor and Hornung were suffering from the effects of six to seven years of wear and tear, and were showing their age. They just weren’t as effective overall in their ground game.
That’s not to say that the flex wasn’t a good run defense. It was. But shutting down the Packer run game wasn’t the accomplishment that it would have been from 1960-1963.
This is amazing content. Real ones know this is a re upload
Appreciate you bro!
You explain this very well, Sir! Great video!!!
Thanks!
@@thelogicalcowboy I have subscribed your channel……Looking forward to seeing more videos from you. 😊
Landry's Flex Defense was legendary, but the Acilles heel was definitely the weak side,because you couldn't always defend against the wide runs off pitchouts, the short passes to receivers in the flat, and screens where defensive ends and outside linebackers couldn't always pursue to the ball carrier/ recei er and offense would get big gains. A number of NFL teams then we to the 3-4, where the inside backers could plug both the A & B gaps, could stunt to co fuse offensive linemen, then come in behind the defensive tackles on a red dog blitz call. The ouside backers were very effective in pass coverage and be assigned to cover tight ends, or wideouts on short pass plays. They effectively gave defenses 5 man secondaries on passes, with one OLB staying home to stop the run or blitz off the edge. Bill Parcell's 3 - 4 he installed in the Giants defense was among the best of all time. And look who was at OLB, Lawrence Taylor, probably the best all timeOLB, and on the inside, Harry Carson, Jim Burt, and I believe it was Gary Reasons as the other OLB.
Very informative. 🔥 🔥
Man they were so close to winning a championship I can still remember
Unfortunate!
They were so close....but, what?
👍 Excellent!
Thanks bro 🙏
Wow! Landry was the football genius who eventually outsmarted himself? Proves that football started as a sport. It’s evolved into a science.
Think about it during the New York Giants era, Lombardi and Landry were going up against each other in practice! Talking about high standards!
My #1 game the Cowboys should have won was the Super bowl against the colts
I didn't capitalize the colts for a reason
I agree.
It should be noted that that 1960 matchup consisted of an established franchise (Packers) against an expansion team (Cowboys) that failed to win a game that season, so that can’t really be held against Landry
Great video. Just my opinion but I don't think Landry needed Staubach in the 60s, but that Meredith needed the shotgun spread offense. Meredith was way better than people remember or give him credit for. Think that he could have had the success of Staubach with that offensive scheme
Good point!
And it continues today! Packers 48 Cowboys 32 !!! Yea baby!
Great video
Thanks!
For what it's worth, Landry's Cowboys did beat Lombardi's Redskins in the late 60s.
Yep!
Another GREAT video, Brother. Seriously, you do amazing work, man.
That Coach Landry was a football genius is a given. The one thing he did wrong, which we all know about now but did NOT know back then, was breaking Roger of his habit of running, period. Not curb it or tailor-make some running plays JUST FOR Roger but let him use his God-given gifts fully. That was a common belief back then, that keeping a QB inside the Pocket was a smart move. And for most QBs, it was true. But Staubach’s game would have been so much better IF he had been allowed to run more. He probably would’ve one of those SBs vs the Squeelers, and then Dallas would have been the Team of the ‘90s, instead of Arm Pittsburgh.
Of course, he wasn't QUITE a genius against Lombardi.
Brother your videos are the best. I think you need to be on tv.
Wow, thanks bro! Lol
His videos are the best.....as long as you are a Cowbells fan. Versus Packers? Lombardi, Lombardi, and, oh, yeah, Lombardi.
And Lombardi countered with the "give" play. Send a running back through the hole left by the pulling guard...nobody blocked the gap, but the defensive tackle wasn't there because he was chasing the guard. It wasn't called against big oaf DTs, just against excellent and quick DTs like Lilly. Starr's winning QB sneak was set up by "45 Give," with Chuck Mercein taking it from the 10 or so, down to the 2. Watch that play and see Lilly chase Gillingham, with Mercein going right through the hole created. Skoronski, LT, got a great block on the DE to keep the hole clean.
Tom Landry was the giants defensive coordinator and Lombardi the offensive
Old school flex
Just imagine if Tom Landry made adjustments 1980defense on pass game would still be early 1990s and draft better tom Landry my favorite coach. Because coach both offense and defense I wish better adjustments
Just imagine if he had. But, he didn't.
As a lifelong redskin/commander fan i am a certified cowboy hater. But damn this vid is so informative and a job well done. I am now a subscriber whether you want me or not!😂😂😂
Naw man welcome to the channel bro! Lol Thanks for watching!
@thelogicalcowboy I now realize I already saw a few of ur other vids over the past yr or so. Just so you know, I que up a list of vids listen to to get me thru workouts at the gym. So in a sense, your channel has made me healthier and a smarter student of the true sport of kings. Appreciate you and your channel but still hate ur squad.....
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Thanks!! Glad I could help! We have mutual feelings by the way lol! Thanks again bro!
@thelogicalcowboy I wouldn't have it any other way. BYW....Snyder is out and the city is a buzz with optimism regarding the new owner......saw a graphic saying WASH hasn't had an 11 win season in 31 yrs.......next worst is team 15 yrs....
@@crittoneida958
That's good news! Hopefully yall can make a run for it this season. Hopefully we all can! The nfl is always better when the nfc east is competitive. Thanks bro. Enjoy the rest of your day!
Great breakdown 4-3 flex D was great
The flex would stop the Ravens today
good video
Growing up in Texas I wondered what made it a Flex defense.
I know that this might not be a straight Cowboys , but would you consider doing an analyse on Dan Reeves ?
Also want to see How good was Harvey Martin
Definitely!
Google sucks. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Proof positive for the claim that "defense wins championships" mantra... Landry's issue was his offense wasn't on pace with the Green Bay defense, but it allowed him to keep his job until #JerryJones replaced him with #CoachJimmyJohnson who he replaced just 4 seasons later, despite two titles. Lesson? Never fire the guy who "makes it go" unless you've identified the one who makes it run even better.
What is the source of the Bill belichick breakdown at 5:20 ? Thanks in advance
"Tom Landry's A Football Life"
Good video
He didn’t Coach at Fordam . he coached in New Jersey at Saint Cecilia. High school this was great video fantastic
He did coach at fordam. He was their JV coach for his first season.
Thanks for watching 🙏
After Coach Landry was let go he was replaced by a man who believed in speed combined with a.....4-3 defense
Correction please, Tom Landry did not “retire”. And the Landry curse will remain with Dallas’ future.
Wait. I thought the curse was moved after Johnson was enshrined into the ring of honor. 🤔
When the Lombardi/Landry battles were fought: Run to Daylight 2, - Flex 0. Tom Landry never fully understood that it was ultimately NOT about the X's and O's, but the Jimmy's and Joe's. Or, as was in Dallas' case, the Roger's and Bob's. Any coach worth his salt would whip the flex by trapping them all day long - that is why the Steelers STOLE Dallas' lunch twice. Show me a dogmatic coach with a great team, and I will show you a team that could have done WAY more. That is why I think/know that "Tex" Shramm was SOOO vastly underrated as a pro player personnel talent evaluator. Whatever the Cowboys did in the glory decade of the 70's, I lay credit at the feet of Shramm; I'd argue that Landry literally and figuratively could royally screw up an awesome wet dream!
Geez, I am glad you said that.
Go Pack go!
The West Coast Offense sunk The Flex
Good video man though you did make one mistake. Sam Huff wasn’t the first middle linebacker in the NFL and Tom Landry didn’t invent the 4-3 defense. The guy who did both of those things was Bill George of the bears against the eagles in 1954 after he noticed that the qb was passing more when he lined up along the line of scrimmage. This was 2 years before Sam huff made it to the league. Tom Landry however was important to the 4-3 because he helped codify and cement its use
I don't think the defensive schemes were the downfall of the Cowboys during the '80s. I won't argue opposing coaches came up with ways to attack the flex, but the bigger picture is that the Cowboys drafts in the late '70s and '80s dropped off markedly from the previous decade and a half. After the 1975 draft that hauled in 12 players that made the team, including HOFer Randy White and many other starters like Hollywood Henderson, the rest of the 70s was meh -- only Tony Dorsett made the Hall and was joined in the starting lineup by guys like Tony Hill, Dennis Thurman, Doug Cosbie, Tom Rafferty, and at times, Ron Springs, Butch Johnson, and Aaron Kyle. That's not very many good players for a set of drafts that went 12+ rounds. In the '80s it was worse. For every Jim Jeffcoat, there was a Billy Canon (why???). Their best pick, Hershal Walker, was a player they traded to get enough players to win 3 Super Bowls in the '90s! Only Michael Irvin (of the Landry era in the '80s) made the HOF, though Landry's group would have also taken Troy Aikman like the Jones group did. Anyway, you can't replace Hall of Famers like Randy White, Cliff Harris, and guys that should be in the Hall like Charlie Waters, Harvey Martin and Too Tall Jones, with the players the Cowboys had in the mid-to-late '80s and expect not to miss a beat. If you don't realize how much better Cliff and Charlie made EVERYONE on that defense, you don't know much about Cowboys history. Charlie was the boss out there and belongs in the hall for that alone.
Good post! You made some good points.
How Tom Landry could never beat the Packers.
He could never beat Vince.
If Landry's flex defense was so good how come Lombardi was 5-0 against it.
I explained it already. The Packers Defense shut down Landry's offense.
Had Landry not been fired by the clown Jerry Jones. He was scrapping the 4-3 Flex and installing a 3-4 defense. Would have been fun to see the greatest defensive mind in NFL history, his version of the 3-4
I wish Landry could have figured out a way to beat Chuck Knoll. Pittsburgh owned Dallas in 1970s and early 80s.
I born early 70s and I hated the Cowboys from as far back as I can remember. My teams were my hometown Vikings and the Steelers. But I respect all players and coaches who bust their ass and sacrifice their bodies and brains for our entertainment. So, I disliked how Jerry Jones treated Tom Landry after he bought the Cowgirls.
didnt they trade playbooks when they parted ways in New York?
Wrong, Halas developed the 4-3 defense and Bill George was a middle linebacker a year ot two before Huff.
Quit it.
Flex defense would have taken Lombardi 2 years to beat.
Lombardi was never a head coach at Fordham. The only head coaching jobs he had were with the Green Bay Packers and The Washington Redskins.
Wrong. Limbardi was the * freshman head coach* at Fordham during the time the story in my video took place. Thanks for watching
1947: Limbardi became the coach of freshman teams in football and basketball.
1948: He became an assistant coach for the varsity football team under head coach Ed Danowski.