[PSO2:NGS] Balance Changes Break the Speedrun Meta

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024

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  • @DekRavenmane
    @DekRavenmane 6 месяцев назад +8

    They do need to have a look at Volkraptor. It does not seem to be scaling with any potency, damage when using an unaugmented Prim Partisan and fully augmented one still remains at 2,800.

    • @onlythemoon3273
      @onlythemoon3273 6 месяцев назад +6

      I’ve been complaining about this for 2 years

  • @delightXD
    @delightXD 6 месяцев назад +3

    Encore jump nerf is hurting all classes relying on charged PAs or Techniques, making already op Slayer even more OP...

  • @TrisChampFlyer
    @TrisChampFlyer 6 месяцев назад +5

    I quit after seeing the nerf. I'm not saying the nerf is not warranted, but I've been playing sword since base pso2 and I've been holding out on NGS to make sword feel as good as something like braver. "oh but you're supposed to be a tank class so your dps should be low" in a game where everyone can counter/dodge damage. The only time our damage mitigation shines is when there is unavoidable damage. I be watching all the other classes and slayer have such cool glowups and compound techniques and I'm sitting here waiting for hunters/swords turn but I get slapped with a nerf first instead. Just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth and honestly I've given the game enough time to get good.

    • @Kuzyapso
      @Kuzyapso 6 месяцев назад

      Damn. I'm not quitting but you made some good points about Hunter sword

    • @Vexal50
      @Vexal50 6 месяцев назад +2

      you can blame how subclassing works for the nerf, and MW. As a Bouncer main I'm all too used to this method of nerfing things done by Sega. People were using Spiral Edge Type 2 because it was just straightup better than anything their class provided, even in ARKS Records which has a 30% Main Class damage bonus instead of the usual 10%. It was simply just that good.

    • @absolstoryoffiction6615
      @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад

      @@Vexal50
      But once you take away Spiral Edge Type 2... Well... Katana steps back in for Sub Class. lol
      That is still the case when Sword cannot out compete.

    • @Vexal50
      @Vexal50 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@absolstoryoffiction6615 Katana, while still strong, hasn't been invalidatingly-strong as an offclass-weapon in a good while, mainly due to most classes wanting their subclass to be Slayer for the extra crit, and Katana's very dependant on having access to Braver's skill tree, and the 2 classes that don't want Slayer are Force and Techter.....who want Techter and Force respectively due to having stacking passives
      Personally I think Sega should put an actual penalty on offclass weaponry and maybe just straightup disallow it for rankings if they aren't just going to delete multiweapon as a whole. Multiweapon has always been a mess from a balance perspective and has only caused classes to get nerfed because of MW shenanigans, such as Fighter being the reason the old SB WA had a cooldown if you used any attack before it.

    • @absolstoryoffiction6615
      @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад

      @@Vexal50
      SE T2 is certainly busted if it can out compete +30% Tri Potency Boosted Main Class weapons from the weaker Main Classes. (There are only 5 Classes Main/Sub that is the top DPS. The wrest suck, even in their own mirror runs without MW. For end game stuff.)
      Long ago, before +30% Potency. Katana Sub was the ideal option for the same DPS reasons. Not competitively, though, but to quickly clear the Arks Records consistently.
      With the +30%... I don't recommend using Katana Sub unless, for some reason, you're clearing Milignant Bosses / Ultra Hard Difficulty. Those do not contain that +30%.
      Multi Weapon is fine. I rather not repeat how Base PSO2 negated Sub Class weapon use unless the Sub can cast Techs. Plus, Sub Scions were their own monsters.
      Same with Encore Jump. Now it's useless because every charging PA Weapon benefited from it. Not just SE T2 Spam... Compared to, again, the top 5 DPS Classes for Ultra Hard Difficulty.
      (Over all... At least for anything with that +30%. No sub weapon should out compete the raw DPS of a Main Weapon... Utility and Capability? Sure. Just not DPS.)
      That said... Some Classes suck in DPS. I don't want a repeat of Base PSO2 where our Skill Trees were the majority of DPS etc. In fact, I want features, features, and more/better features.
      All the DPS boosting in the world doesn't change how boring NGS Hunter Sword truly is compared to Base Hunter Sword. NGS Sword has some good but as it is? It's just too slow with too many risks. Especially, when Hunter Physique and Iron Will are the only two defence skills worth investing. You can ditch +15% Max Damage Absorption for Waker Sub and do better with pure HP regen. Of course, what Sword can do. Katana does better and safer, with zero drawbacks. On top of Braver's Self Heal Skill.
      Braver/Waker is immortal with the +50% Healing Food Buff.

  • @DramaticCrossroad
    @DramaticCrossroad 6 месяцев назад +1

    Happy to see QoL improvement to Bows.
    Would really love for them to remove the animation locking in Ceaseless Draw or leave some kind of exit option, even a tech art customization would do.

  • @Shaiandra
    @Shaiandra 6 месяцев назад +1

    Aw, upon reading the title I thought 'break the speedrun meta' meant that the game wouldn't be all about DPS anymore.....
    I didn't like the playstyle of constantly trying to hold Spiral Edge for exactly 3 seconds, so I'm personally hoping Caliburn Streak becomes useful for its niche again (high DPS against stationary enemies that aren't attacking you). With the Spiral Edge nerf and Caliburn getting customization, I imagine it's probable..

    • @absolstoryoffiction6615
      @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад +1

      It's mainly in regard to speed running with Sub Class Hunter Sword. Not everyone will have Encore Jump.
      In most cases, it's not much. Sword has major issues despite its high DPS. When Katana, Gunblade, and Ranger Rifle can exceed Sword by miles / and have no real drawbacks + more benefits.
      I use to main Sword. It needs work if it is to be on par with those weapons. In both DPS and Versatility. But mainly, versatility on a fundamental level + Speed Charging. It's too slow of a Weapon; thus, too risky when the listed weapons above have no real weaknesses.

  • @shadowlazers
    @shadowlazers 6 месяцев назад +1

    I don't think that duration of dimensional Ray customized is for DPS I think it is to help charge the empowered normal attack so longer duration for dimensional Ray morehead's faster charge more empowered normal attacks

    • @CriticasterQ
      @CriticasterQ  6 месяцев назад

      The dps is increased with the Type 2 as I mentioned, you can check out Chumbo's bow guide here: docs.google.com/document/d/18K_2yvy4NsFMh7opgDWgmyl2WDBkMkeFcivkt3tIJGg/edit
      But that doesn't take away from what you said either, it does help charge the Photon Bow Attack Impact more than the normal version if the extra shots do hit an enemy

  • @mr.shrill5587
    @mr.shrill5587 6 месяцев назад

    Can someone tell me what the horns or outfit are in the thumbnail? Character looks very cool

  • @ex_ceed
    @ex_ceed 6 месяцев назад +1

    the nerf could be preparation for something new that could be op if not nerfed beforehand. 🤔

    • @absolstoryoffiction6615
      @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад +1

      Not really... It's just a damage nerf with an a charge time increase for Sword. Not something fundamental.
      But compared to the top DPS classes. Sword Main Class is 5 on the list and 2 on the list for Sub Class.
      Katana, Ranger Rifle, Gunblade, and Souring Blades are busted as a Main Class. While only Katana is number 1 as a Sub Class.
      At least for bossing. Force Talis is still the PSE King no matter what.

  • @Betsujin
    @Betsujin 6 месяцев назад +1

    Where is your reaction to headline?

    • @CriticasterQ
      @CriticasterQ  6 месяцев назад +6

      Coming soon, gotta edit it down 👍

  • @shadowlazers
    @shadowlazers 6 месяцев назад +4

    The spiral edge ability is not overly broken it's powerful yes and I dial the percentage of damage will go below 25% bonus for it sounds as if you've not played the hunter class with the spiral edge and you're just giving information based off of what you heard accurately doesn't have much range and again I'm betting on 25%

    • @CriticasterQ
      @CriticasterQ  6 месяцев назад +3

      I just see it as extra damage with no drawback which no other class currently gets with their tech arts customizations. So it is indeed broken over other abilities, especially when compounded with Overcharge. If this wasn't the case, Sega would not be nerfing it. The number I gave was just an example of course, it could be a smaller decrease than what I said or a larger one, its just a guess. All I know is with this nerf and the change to encore jump, Spiral Edge Type 2 is going to have a lot less value so it isn't the only PA sword will be using anymore

  • @nangel4852
    @nangel4852 6 месяцев назад

    lo what did Hunter mains do to deserve this shit.... double nerf and Encore jump nerf was uncalled for

  • @mechzilla569
    @mechzilla569 6 месяцев назад +2

    they nerfed hunter because he was too un weeb

    • @delightXD
      @delightXD 6 месяцев назад +2

      i feel bad for my friends who play Hu

    • @absolstoryoffiction6615
      @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад +1

      Katana, Ranger Rifle, and Gunblade are eating tonight.
      Maybe Souring Blade too since that weapon has a dedicated Dodge Weapon Action unlike before.
      Every other weapon is just not good enough, except for Talis the PSE King.

  • @absolstoryoffiction6615
    @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад

    Spiral Edge Type 2 certainly needed a Damage Nerf if it can exceed a +30% Potency Main Class Weapon for Arks Records etc. However, there are better weapons that have higher and safer DPS output outside of those Trinitas Type quests.
    The Encore Jump nerf is just bad. Niche but it's no longer viable anymore, for all Classes.
    In the end... Katana is the better Sword if you want to use a Sub Weapon to run Arks Records pre 30% Potency Boost. So currently, either use Main Weapons for Arks Records or Katana Sub for Milignant Bosses since the 30% Potency Boost doesn't apply.
    Over all... ... ... Only a few Classes are the top end of DPS.

    • @kyomu9518
      @kyomu9518 6 месяцев назад +1

      After see this comment im sure you not really know about the current meta and classes at all
      1. Spiral craft is not just safe (with HU skills) also deal tons of dmg, if you can full charge it it's the strongest PA right now. Ppl even memeing this PA for being 2 button gameplay when the craft system updated.
      2. Encore jump is another factor that make crafted Spiral more broken when it's your attack phases where nothing interupt that you can spam jump to increased dps
      3. Katana is not a meta, top tier dps weapon they are sitting in the mid tier for a very long time ago. And Katana as sub ? Br bring nothing as sub these day.
      This guy's NGS knowledge was like he stop playing the game after Br got the counter+ skills. Stop try to be smart when you know nothing about the game tbh

    • @absolstoryoffiction6615
      @absolstoryoffiction6615 6 месяцев назад

      @@kyomu9518
      Sure... Then go against Milignant Dark Falz Aeiges and speak again.
      The Sword SE T2 is certainly busted but that's the only PA worth to mention when the wrest of the kit gets out performed by Braver/Slayer or Fighter and Slayer/Fighter or Force. Even Ranger Rifle/Slayer or Fighter deals more damage if you ignore Sword SE T2.
      Plus, Encore Jump was never the issue. When every charging PA Class relied on it for optimal play. Not just one PA from Sword.
      And you act like I don't know the Meta???... ... ... Yet I know that Hunter Main Sword is the 5th Best DPS Weapon even post nerf of SE T2.
      Just don't get hit and deal all the damage... Slayer, Braver Katana, Ranger Rifle, Bouncer Souring Blades, and Hunter Sword are the top 5. The wrest lag behind in DPS or are exclusively exceptional for PSE Bursts.
      Be it Omen of the Planet Breaker, Milignant Dark Falz Aeiges, or the new Starless boss coming soon. If your weapon cannot clear those bosses in a 4 player group with decently powerful augs, then you tell me again, what I do and do not know.
      Don't make assumption when you're outdated to begin with.

    • @kyomu9518
      @kyomu9518 6 месяцев назад

      @@absolstoryoffiction6615
      1.Ppl only play around things which is the best of the class, so dont say craft Spiral is the best but you want to spam other PA instead and call HU weak ? what a clown
      2." Encore Jump was never the issue." yeah never the issue but it adding 35-68 dps to spiral so that's a pretty big number, try to learn numbers from the dps sheets first before talking like you know everything.
      3. Yes, your opinion sure that prove you dont know shit about meta (Fighter, Br sub which is pretty outdate, Br is mid tier longtime ago also without a bow sucks nowadays, Sb without jb lost like 15% dps also prove you know nothing about the class, Fighters ? they are mid kinda long time ago and no mention for Wa ? they are solid top tier class since they release.
      Hu only rank 5 post nerf Spiral ? what the joke is this ?
      4. My info based on solo clear mdfa, mdfs from both jp and global server of the best players around. Yours ? outdated, imagination, delusional server ? lmao
      Sorry if you are talking about 4 man clear mdfa, mdfs then we are not at the same level and you are have no rights to complain about buff,nerfs since im sure you are at mid tier gears and dont know much about the bis/ end game of NGS anyway
      Come back with bis gear then we ll discuss again about this.

  • @ACLMSC
    @ACLMSC 6 месяцев назад +11

    They should have left the Hunter alone. Spiral edge put the Hunter on par with Slayer and Braver for DPS and made the Hunter a viable class again. The DPS variances among the classes need to be minimized.

    • @kyomu9518
      @kyomu9518 6 месяцев назад +9

      mostly nerf because ppl with other main class abuse sword instead of using their main weapon.
      also br is not that strong for a long time, Br atm is kinda mid tier top is Sl Hu Wa Bo

    • @voidmain2453
      @voidmain2453 6 месяцев назад +7

      it put hunter way above everyone else, quite literally. it was indeed needing nerf

    • @DramaticCrossroad
      @DramaticCrossroad 6 месяцев назад +5

      You're kinda contradicting yourself. If you have a game where the sturdy "tank" class is also in the top dps, that nullifies the need to have classes altogether.

    • @ACLMSC
      @ACLMSC 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@DramaticCrossroad The Hunter is no more durable than the Braver or Waker. The Braver literally can heal itself and the Waker mitigates major hits much better than the Hunter. The Hunter may have the best guard in the game but not the best counters. The Hunter needs more (along with some other classes) to make the class more desirable to play.

    • @ACLMSC
      @ACLMSC 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@kyomu9518 Non Hunter classes that use a sword as their main weapon take a 10% decrease in damage. That goes for any class who uses an out of class weapon as their main weapon. Yes the Spiral Edge would still be powerful but 10% less unless you're a Hunter main.

  • @Exe-ps3lq
    @Exe-ps3lq 6 месяцев назад

    Thats why player keeps decreasing doing nerfs. What do you think does player will feel lol. They care more to that ( balance) than the game itself so stupid even new weapon is a reskin crap

  • @jecbunsoPG
    @jecbunsoPG 6 месяцев назад

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  • @ShouVertica
    @ShouVertica 6 месяцев назад +6

    Increasing Potency by 30% means ultimately very little to the average player. SEGA needs to realize that most players don't actually care about this stuff. They need to stop nerfing /buffing stuff by amounts that don't change gameplay like they are balancing Esports.
    I'm ok with hunter change, (sword feels awful anyway compared to base, idk why they havent switched back), but we need them to release ALL skill customizatuon and focus more on utility /different actions than just..."it does % more damage."
    It's been what, 3 months and they've balanced this twice?

    • @kyomu9518
      @kyomu9518 6 месяцев назад +4

      yes it do change the game play because 60% of classes atm with craft spiral and encore jump do does higher dmg than their main weapon
      and it's not a good thing to do as a "sub" weapon

    • @ShouVertica
      @ShouVertica 6 месяцев назад +4

      @kyomu9518 Spiral isn't that strong and it's extremely limited. I don't think people truly know effective dps and if you think a 30% buff shifts average meta to a class you're insane.
      People play whatever feels good, they don't chase meta top 1% of dps in pso2

    • @kyomu9518
      @kyomu9518 6 месяцев назад

      @@ShouVerticathen you just dont know anything about of NGS meta atm or just dont care about it.
      Crafted spiral is considered one of the strongest tool in the game right now, wtf with "Spiral isn't that strong "

    • @LastNihlist
      @LastNihlist 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@ShouVerticabro never watched a speedrun

    • @adamdevereaux2713
      @adamdevereaux2713 6 месяцев назад

      Calibur Streak Custom PA does range as an option. Found out in today’s headline: