I am here to comment once again after playing a significant number of carry games I saved up role queue tokens for and this video has helped me immensely in keeping my focus to always hit that 180/200 in 20 minutes benchmark and I always hit it when I win the lane. Helped me finally hit 5k for the first time and am now 2 medals away from hitting Immortal. Many thanks PainDota for your wonderful content! Much love from a PMA player from SEA. ❤
Some feedback for 12:30: you can know where and when the enemy creeps will be by looking at your own creeps in the respective lane. for example: u can guess where enemy offlane creeps have reached at xx:14-xx:20 by looking at your own offlane creeps. if your wave spawn is near the tower then enemy creeps will also be around their tower somewhere.
Yeah that's one way to do it but I didn't want my audience to find an easier way that isn't reliable. It takes a decent time to look at your own lane and look at another lane and in a fast paced game, you might fuck up trying to do that
Good luck doing this in lower ranks where almost every support or offlaner griefs the carry farming patterns. Like the random Axe that already has blink dagger and is now farming the triangle for no particular reason. They literally see you walking toward a three or four waves of creeps and they TP in front of you.
I was a carry in this game and we were farming in a hurry because were really behind and my fucking snapfire saw me pinging and walking towards 3 waves, they went and nuked it.
In lower brackets, there is so much un utilized resources available on the map. tbh anyone who thinks "their teammates" bla bla bla belongs to the bracket they are in.
I can attest to this. If you live your life playing SEA dota, you know this to be true. Even if they see you farming in their direction, they will farm the nearby camp in your farming rotation. I've always played carry before and there were 5 man farming the whole time, almost all the games! I switched to support that can carry the game without the need for too much farm and I went from Herald to Legend
Dude thank for this content, it is super valuable and it helps me a lot. It was very straightforward and concise, this is very difficult to find in the dota community.
1 more thing to add is keeping in mind who might kill your hero and pushing the lane immediately if you see them show elsewhere. That makes you a bit less useless before timings.
Bro this is legendary grade quality guide, usually i play offlane or mid heroes, right now im still learning to play carry. This guide might help me to play carry.
I've been following this guide for a while. From Herald 5 now to Archon 1, spamming naga siren and tb then farm and farm until 25-30mins idgaf to everything, I bought my own wards when I don't have much space in the map. ill join the fight later, naga/tb with manta, heart/skadi, butterfly really makes the game easier no matter what the situation is from the past 25mins xD Thanks, Pain!
As offlane u cant afk farm like pos1 and win while turning your brain off, to rank up from offlane your only option is to abuse one type of playstyle to its limits, for example brood/beast/lycan zoo playstyle with helm dom, magnus/legion/axe initiator playstyle, or underlord/tide/ds auras playstyle, each of these playstyles need immense gamesense, laning, awereness, cs and micro to carry, so you have to literally spam these to be able to carry games
Your job as offlane is same as mid. Giving space for ur carry to seal the win. Every match has timing so u need to know ur friends hero and when to do some farming, and ganking. The key for offlane is when u make 1 or 2 item u can go war with the enemy so after 1 tower got destroyed u need to do some ganking or farming a bit to seal the win of some war.
I just think the comparison is not real by one simple fact. In lower ranks, supports and offlaner don’t play their roles properly, they steal every single creep and jungle camp on the map from the HC. To get near 200 lh in 20min is a joke in these brackets, because even your support wants to buy aghanims early game.
Idiotic also. Your impact on the game is insignificant if the team sucks. All this is nonsense. No matter how good you play, you can't win if the players are greeffing or play solo etc. I improved a lot and I want to play on Divine level, in fact my stats are mostly in that range. But it's impossible to win. People are idiotic and feed or ignore the team, push without vision, etc. It's just random and that reflects in the 50% of the games won by everyone in fact. It's impossible to climb without having a good team and win l70-80% of the games. Also these players have to be at your level, but Herald or Guardian, right??? I've seen idiotic Archon noobs who don't use the Phantom Rush on PL to farm faster, for example. Anything under Divine is low level. These videos on youtube would aim for that kind of rank, but it's also hard to apply all these strategies if the teams are constantly fighting. With dazzle I saved entire teams for example, but in the end, I can't save them all, and there is nothing to save if they are dying like flies one by one and never focus on team! And that's just an example. I won 9 games in a row with WR as mid. But! If I go for role, I have to check the supports and the game puts me as hard support. I can impact the game as much as I can, but I can't win it by myself. SO!!! BOTTOM LINE. I will never go out of Herald even with high skills. I need a team on my level! And that's hard to find.
Thanks for making these videos, i learn a lot and your voice is very enjoyable, would love to see a detailed lane guide as a melee carry without innate farming abilities like AM.
@@777gluegod EG vs OG at the TI9 I think. OG ran them over with juggernaut and Magnus and taking their racks and tower while arteezy farmed his bkb to be able to do something which he didn't xD he just died in an instant he blinked in and pressed bkb
until will you have a griefer afk pos5 :) im on 3 and between 4k and i have always a griefer.. always. In the last two weeks, I lost 450mmr, because of griefer toxic players. Ohh.. with 10k behavior score ofc. And these games was not one me. I know the common god players will say: if u are good enough, u can climb up. But no. It is really hard if you are playing carry and pos4-5. If you play mid, climbing up is really easy. But i do not like to play mid. I love to play support or carry. And if you have a feeder mid, or a feeder pos1, u can not do anything. U can get the stars from the sky, nothing will help your game. U can try so hard, it will be impossible to win the game with 1 griefer.
@@dealw1t It's not like these griefers are in your every game and who's to say the enemy team don't get them too in some of your games. I personally believe in the 40/40/20 rule that Jenkins made a video about. 40% are guaranteed wins, 40% are guaranteed losses usually because of things out of your control like griefers, smurfs, account buyers, etc. And 20% are impact games. These are relatively close games in which both sides are on equal skill level and almost every bit of mistake or outplay can decide the outcome of the match. The best way to get better is to focus on winning these tough games are they not only help you get better at the game being put in a difficult but manageable and winnable game but you also get some much needed experience from such high intensity games not to mention winning these games will give you a huge rush that every dota player craves for. Regardless though play like you're always trying to win, always trying to prove that you're better than the enemy team, always wanting to take the enemy ancient no matter what.
Thanks man a lot i saw this video around 3 weeks and i was at 2450ish mmr and now i am at 3100 legend 1 by just getting proper lh at 20 min and watching this video again to get some more insights
I can confirm that this farming mentality works, I've been spamming naga after watching his other video on how to carry and get immortal and am just focusing on average 200-250 cs by 20 minutes, I have a 75% winrate, and went from calibrating at crusader 4 when 7.33 came out to legend 2 right now
One reason why higher bracket carry has higher cs its because their supports actually stack camps for them. I'm ancient and probably have 1/10 games where my supports stack, so maybe the target should be reduced abit. My average is about 160+ at 20mins
Subscribed. Hopefully you’ll make a guide for offlaners, since offlane is a bit more interesting(in my opinion) since you’ll need to balance last hits with ruining the enemy carry’s game, while also trying to survive the lane when your 4 rotates, taking T1, knowing when to group up with your team and etc.
I usually dislike these kinds of videos because they give really vague advice, but this one is great. I'm 6k and can confirm if you do this stuff you'll easily hit 4k mmr. I do think the last hit range can be lower for carries like Riki who are incentivized to farm kills. Also for everyone saying they want to see this for offlane, you don't understand offlane. Some heroes in offlane like LC and Axe want to rice a 2k gold item before they get active, some zoo offlaners just jungle in the enemy jungle to threaten towers, some offlane heroes just rush brown boots blink and start running it down immediately. Offlaners don't care about their last hit numbers if they're killing heroes.
Just to play devils advocate, I paid for the privilege to have a professional Dota 2 player ( 4 x Major Winner ) to play on my team. He played on my spare crusaider account, and I played on my archon account. He went 6-0 with SF in mid, and we still lost the game because our pos 1 AM fed his lane. When you team is trash and feeds, it doesnt matter how many last hits you get. Not even the highest calibre player with over a decade on the pro scene and a 6-0 lane phase, can outweigh a shit team.
Agree, problem is unless you're playing a lot (10+ games a week) you don't really get good games. I play 2-4 games a week, and 50% of my games have a griefer. Meaning the other two I gotta play perfectly :D
So I tried this in a couple 2k games. They all went about the same. I focus entirely on my farm, meanwhile mid and off lane get absolutely dumpstered. Loss all t1 towers in the first 10 minutes, their team then spends all their time hunting me down so I can't farm. Still managed to get about 180 cs by 20 minutes despite getting insta gibbed trying to farm but by that point my team was completely destroyed and the gold from all the feeds had their carry on par with me. Game ended at about 25 mins. Not saying this is wrong, but clearly there's a little more to it and I'm doing something wrong.
Even if you spam heroes (which is the most effective way to gain mmr imo), it would still not be certain that you'll be climbing mmr. At the end of the day its still a 5v5, its a combination of different things and mostly its just luck with your teammates whether you like it or not. I had 15 winstreak for spamming 3 different heroes but that is still not enough because I end up teaming up with people who is either practicing a new hero or just not really good enough for the rank and I ended up having a losestreak.
Idk man its possible but some games are just lost cause. Mid and offlane tier 1 destroyed under 10mins then enemy kept pressuring me with nowhere to farm plus team with stupid itemization
i queued, wanting to implement these techniques... then got matched up against a huskar who positioned near my ranged creep so I couldnt even try to creep aggro. Tough luck out there.
regarding lasthits you cant cs if all the heroes are your competition in low ELO even supports farm, the take range creeps and etc. your ofla e will be at the saflane camps farming up and supports taking over your lane
@paindota the scenario that always happened for bracket divine and below is when you play carry, your support actually destroy your lane. For example when you try to make the equilibrium for the creep your support will keep agro the wave, or they never pulling when creep is pushing. Worst case they will just leave u at lane 1v2 enemy, i dont have any problem if my hero get lvl 6 early and i can just go jngle. But the problem is your support share xp with you untill lvl 3-4 and he left you and its obviously pos 4 enemy will outzone you while offlaner enemy d9 all creep.sometimes it happened that i literally cant do anything at lane and cant even reach lvl 6 by 10minutes because of this. What will you do in this case?
This question is specific only for laning stage because sometime when this happened you literally got stomp even you go jungling either pos 3/4 enemy will hunting and disturb your farm
@@teh_oais6437 lets imagine you dont have a decent supp and you cant even lane under tower. heres a simple recipe for pubs: 1. buy yourself an observer ward and place it between where you want to farm and where your opponent would gank you from. 2. if someone wants to gank you in there, you will see it and you have to scream into your mic for help before theyre even close to you because the team is typically rather slow. 3. enjoy the counter gank
@@ladderlappen4585 i got your idea thanks, but gank is not the problem for my question, basically i ask what will u do if u have to 1v2 lane at lvl 3-4 while enemy pps 4 outzone you while their offlane farming and d9 creep and small camp was blocked. If you said just get XP and lvl 6 go jngle i believe with all the d9 from enemy make your level process so slow and u cant even reach lvl 6 by 10min mark. So for the first 10min u literally cant do anything except hug tower while watching creep got d9.
When farming on side lanes early in a 2v1 scenario: 1. Push and pull. 2 . If warded try to deward or go stack the camps adjacent and farm them till the wave is back under your tower. 3. Don't die or try to minamalize the downs of your early match ups. This should do 80% of the time
Getting 180/200 sounds incredibly hard and downright impossible for heroes that have no farm accelerants. Lowering it a bit by 165/185 is a bit more feasible. Also while this wasn't mentioned, you shouldn't feel bad about not hitting these numbers when you also get kills as a carry. Sometimes certain "kill lane" carries like CK do not mind not getting that much lasthits when they can outright kill anything in sight that doesn't have an escape when he gets his armlet and echo sabre.
12:31 Bro, u dont need to keep track of wave timings, just look at your own creep wave, and then mirror the positions of the enemy creeps in the opposite half of the map, its that easy, no rocket science
Can you please make a guide on how to farm when you are behind, for example one of the enemy cores starts to snowball and your jungle is fully occupied by min 15. How not to get locked in base? Thanks!
Based on my own experience as a carry player and watching other high rank players. There is a lot of farm available on the map. If you aren't playing super active, you have 0 excuses of not achieving these numbers
My problem now is getting enough role queue to carry my 3k mmr games, I'm getting the CS goal numbers and playing carry is like 85% winrate for now but I suck ass in other roles.
I felt it bro ❤ you are saying right but the thing is that 😢 my supp farming lane so i can't implement pattern like if i clear a wave then side camp bcz lane go deeper they just went there and use a spell on creeps lane push again 😢 then i can't farm wave deeper that's why i love to play am so i can blink nd run no matter how far deeper the wave is...... Also i got gank again nd again if lane go bad low map awareness😢
I can get 60 at 10, but 120-150 at 15min is still surreal to me, cos when i get 60 it means i dont have pudge pos 5 and i won the lane so i go pushing, killing and fighting, if i lost the lane i go afk farm but i still cant get 120 at 15 cos i had like 40 at min 10 cos i lost lane, 200 at 20 is reachable but only on afk farm am or medusa
Very informative video but i think theres a small mistake at 12:40. After the lane creep scaling nerf on the new map/patch and buffing jungle creeps i think the carry gets more farm in the jungle after finishing his farming item
Hello do you have any suggest hero for midlaner nowday everytime i try to cover up what my team draft lack enemy keep cheese pick me, great video btw keep up
ty for advice, nice video. but it doesn't work if teammates just don't want to end the game. they gon run around the map and wait till 55 minutes. then enemy becomes stronger and u loose.
@PainDota hey just confirming but do you edit the video first and later add the voice over? I am looking to start a youtube channel and am looking into what the approach should be. Also, what mic are you usin if you dont mind me asking. Other than that, great content as always.
ty for advice but i have a question as archon player who stucks and cant climb my rank , what can i do when my teammates are realy noob, most of the time when i check my replays i see my net worth is higher than other 9 players but the 2th and 3th and 4th higher networth are enemy heros , which means im really alone , what can i do about just tell me , because of these games i lose mmr , its realy hard 1 vs 3,for example u said muerta 180 in 20 mins , most of the time i have last hits between 165 to 185 in 20 mins with muerta , which is not realy bad and im the top of networth but my winrate with her is 41percent
I will give you mine. 1.if you're consistently the highest networth hero on your team then encourage at least 1 support to always be around to help you in case you get gone on. It doesn't necessarily have to be a save or healer hero just someone who can even turn a gank around and outright kill those trying to gank you. 2. Play around your power spikes and maximize your farm as much as possible to hit these spikes before the enemy cores do. Usually being an item or 2 ahead or sometimes an immensely powerful Aghs upgrade, Aghs shard or level talent. 3.Join fights only if you know you can outright win it and if you can't then recognize such instances as quickly as possible and gtfo before they get to you. Prioritize your life over your teammates to be more precise. 4. Never go highground without Aegis EVER! I can't stress this enough. Even at my Divine rank and even with a decent gold lead it's absolutely stupid to try and siege tier 3 towers without an Aegis. It always ends up badly. At low ranks this is really tricky to convince your teammates to do but you will have an easier time to end games sooner if you manage to do this. Spam pinging rosh if you have to. Insist the support to ward the Twin gates portal on where the Rosh is currently. Also, you generally can take down rosh in a minute or more if it's the full team so if you manage to convince your team to go rosh then do take it when there's at least 2 minutes left before Rosh moves to the other pit(e.g.23 min/28 min). Generally it's you the pos 1 carry who takes the aegis since you're the one with sufficient physical damage to siege the tower but it can sometimes go to certain mid heroes who can frontline and deal a lot of tower damage for you like Meepo or a hero like Storm Spirit who will be able to use the extra life well to win a decisive having full mana up again once aegis is used up. 5. Carries that I recommend in low rank are CK, Juggernaut, WK, PA, Slark, Ursa, Razor, MK and Bloodseeker. If you're really committed you can even try Morphling and Naga but it is a huge commitment to get good with these 2. If you're really serious about adding at least one of these 2 to your hero pool then you better get some serious practice and play time on anything first usually in unranked or in turbo. Hope this helps you out bro.
I'm reading, I'm watching a lot of tutorials I have 7000 hours mostly carry... Archon 5 current rank... tell me how I can win when, hard support my team pick PA and offlane viper... next game Medusa offlane break items on 7min... how to raise mmr when Valve make this game so toxic and non friendly is just insane....
I'm a safelane player and I'm currently in Legend 4, This video helped me out a bit about learning how to last hit but I'm hoping if you have any idea what to do on losing lanes, because sometimes even if I lose the laning phase I still get the job done in the end, I just wanted to know if there are some other ways to win even if you lost the lane :(
Just don't tilt, don't tilt your teammates and try your hardest. When you're winning it's very easy to overextend and make mistakes, so by not tilting you're allowing yourself and your team to capitalize on enemies overextending. I've came back plenty of times in games where the lanes are lost hard. It's all about mental strength.
@@eloquence5134 This is very helpful, I'm trying not to tilt every game, I even had SF pos5 and I tried to make it work but it ends up us losing but I kept my cool and tried for next game, and now I just ranked up to Legend IV and Hoping I could reach Ancient I, It just bothers me sometimes that I lose around 10-12 minutes and my lane has been pushed towards Tier 2, I saw a video from BSJ on how to win from that type of scenario where you get beaten to a pulp then magically recover after 10 mins. I was hoping PainDota could share something about that scenario, I would love to see it.
@@eloquence5134 "Try your hardest" What kind of useless tip is that? If they guy is feeding his lane you don't tell him to try his hardest, you tell him to get the fuck outta there and start chopping some jungle creep salad. @LifeBoxGaming I'd glue my eyes to the minimap and if they show somewhere I go opposite from them. I'd either farm away from the enemy or towards. Depends if my team has hands or not.
" I still get the job done in the end" well.. you got the job done, so where is the problem? apart from that, there are just 2 ways to deal with a lost lane anyway. 1. just farm more, 2. if your hero is not a fast farmer and something like battle fury would take too long to farm, just skip it and buy an item, that helps you to fight like bkb, to join your team in fights asap. this works in this patch especially well because kills give alot of gold right now. t.e, when i played slark, lost the lane really hard and farmed myself a bkb min 15 to join the fights fast, i was able to kill the supports (who would just kite me, if i had a farming item instead) and snowballed from there.
Legend here, can you make some videos on supporting? I only ever see carry videos, but as a support, these don't really do much for me. I do find a lot of the time I'm standing around doing nothing, just waiting for something to happen. My carries are just farming, so there's no where to farm
you should learn all the roles to some extent, if you applied the knowledge in this video it will improve your overall game understanding and make u gain mmr
@@sebastianGunnarson71 It's not a role thing, it's a hero thing. The only hero I enjoy playing is AA, and I don't like playing core AA. So I'm basically locked into support
How to rank up as a support: pick defensive supports. Esp in low ranks all carry players are dumb as a brick and will build glass cannon even if the enemy has nyx. Being an omni or a dazzle will turn the tides of many battles. Esp as omni, a good ulti in a low MMR fight will result in the enemys glass cannon carry not doing any dmg while being blasted down like a chimp.
I am here to comment once again after playing a significant number of carry games I saved up role queue tokens for and this video has helped me immensely in keeping my focus to always hit that 180/200 in 20 minutes benchmark and I always hit it when I win the lane. Helped me finally hit 5k for the first time and am now 2 medals away from hitting Immortal. Many thanks PainDota for your wonderful content! Much love from a PMA player from SEA. ❤
Some feedback for 12:30: you can know where and when the enemy creeps will be by looking at your own creeps in the respective lane. for example: u can guess where enemy offlane creeps have reached at xx:14-xx:20 by looking at your own offlane creeps. if your wave spawn is near the tower then enemy creeps will also be around their tower somewhere.
Yeah that's one way to do it but I didn't want my audience to find an easier way that isn't reliable. It takes a decent time to look at your own lane and look at another lane and in a fast paced game, you might fuck up trying to do that
U come from league? I think thats what they usually do
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This guy deserves more subscribers ,he its in my top 4 after speed, bsj , and topson....hope you the best buddy, keep the good content
Good luck doing this in lower ranks where almost every support or offlaner griefs the carry farming patterns. Like the random Axe that already has blink dagger and is now farming the triangle for no particular reason. They literally see you walking toward a three or four waves of creeps and they TP in front of you.
I was a carry in this game and we were farming in a hurry because were really behind and my fucking snapfire saw me pinging and walking towards 3 waves, they went and nuked it.
I agree especially in sea
that's no excuses in lower brackets you have free farm almost everywhere
In lower brackets, there is so much un utilized resources available on the map. tbh anyone who thinks "their teammates" bla bla bla belongs to the bracket they are in.
I can attest to this. If you live your life playing SEA dota, you know this to be true. Even if they see you farming in their direction, they will farm the nearby camp in your farming rotation. I've always played carry before and there were 5 man farming the whole time, almost all the games! I switched to support that can carry the game without the need for too much farm and I went from Herald to Legend
Dude thank for this content, it is super valuable and it helps me a lot. It was very straightforward and concise, this is very difficult to find in the dota community.
1 more thing to add is keeping in mind who might kill your hero and pushing the lane immediately if you see them show elsewhere. That makes you a bit less useless before timings.
its impossible to farm, without considering your matchups in atleast 2/3 of games.
+1 here
Would love to see one of these for all the roles. Specifically offlane would be wonderful.
I agree I love this series for all roles
Yeah we would like to see offlane roles too !
Bro this is legendary grade quality guide, usually i play offlane or mid heroes, right now im still learning to play carry. This guide might help me to play carry.
I've been following this guide for a while. From Herald 5 now to Archon 1, spamming naga siren and tb then farm and farm until 25-30mins idgaf to everything, I bought my own wards when I don't have much space in the map. ill join the fight later, naga/tb with manta, heart/skadi, butterfly really makes the game easier no matter what the situation is from the past 25mins xD Thanks, Pain!
This is super insightful! Really like the part where you compare every bracket's last hits in 20 minutes.
Would love to see an offlane version
As offlane u cant afk farm like pos1 and win while turning your brain off, to rank up from offlane your only option is to abuse one type of playstyle to its limits, for example brood/beast/lycan zoo playstyle with helm dom, magnus/legion/axe initiator playstyle, or underlord/tide/ds auras playstyle, each of these playstyles need immense gamesense, laning, awereness, cs and micro to carry, so you have to literally spam these to be able to carry games
Your job as offlane is same as mid. Giving space for ur carry to seal the win. Every match has timing so u need to know ur friends hero and when to do some farming, and ganking. The key for offlane is when u make 1 or 2 item u can go war with the enemy so after 1 tower got destroyed u need to do some ganking or farming a bit to seal the win of some war.
I just think the comparison is not real by one simple fact. In lower ranks, supports and offlaner don’t play their roles properly, they steal every single creep and jungle camp on the map from the HC. To get near 200 lh in 20min is a joke in these brackets, because even your support wants to buy aghanims early game.
Idiotic also. Your impact on the game is insignificant if the team sucks. All this is nonsense. No matter how good you play, you can't win if the players are greeffing or play solo etc.
I improved a lot and I want to play on Divine level, in fact my stats are mostly in that range. But it's impossible to win. People are idiotic and feed or ignore the team, push without vision, etc. It's just random and that reflects in the 50% of the games won by everyone in fact.
It's impossible to climb without having a good team and win l70-80% of the games. Also these players have to be at your level, but Herald or Guardian, right???
I've seen idiotic Archon noobs who don't use the Phantom Rush on PL to farm faster, for example. Anything under Divine is low level.
These videos on youtube would aim for that kind of rank, but it's also hard to apply all these strategies if the teams are constantly fighting.
With dazzle I saved entire teams for example, but in the end, I can't save them all, and there is nothing to save if they are dying like flies one by one and never focus on team! And that's just an example.
I won 9 games in a row with WR as mid. But! If I go for role, I have to check the supports and the game puts me as hard support. I can impact the game as much as I can, but I can't win it by myself.
SO!!! BOTTOM LINE.
I will never go out of Herald even with high skills. I need a team on my level! And that's hard to find.
I would like to see hero specific guides where you elaborate on crucial item timings and when to/ when not to fight
thats nice content
a tip with the waves. both dire and radiant spawns creeps the same time, meaning wherever the creeps are on your side, they will be on the otherside.
Man thank you so much for this guide it worked so well for me! Just amazing!
I've been doing this since the calibration. I got arhcon 2 and now I'm Ancient 2, I have around 70-80% winrate as safelane.
First game after this guide i got 220 farm and 12k gold at 20 minutes with TA as an Archon. Really helpful guide!
best video on youtube about playing pos 1, got my sub!
Exactly the type of video I was looking for, thanks.
Thanks for making these videos, i learn a lot and your voice is very enjoyable, would love to see a detailed lane guide as a melee carry without innate farming abilities like AM.
Implement arteezy mentality from the legendary anti-mage game
What game is this please? I never heard of it
@@777gluegod EG vs OG at the TI9 I think. OG ran them over with juggernaut and Magnus and taking their racks and tower while arteezy farmed his bkb to be able to do something which he didn't xD he just died in an instant he blinked in and pressed bkb
@@777gluegod TI 9 EG vs OG game 3 probably
😂
Shhh... He's still farming
Thank you for this tip will implement this on my nxt games players since dota 1 stuck in archon and legend more of this ty
very good advice, just earned a sub!
Thank you for the video. Great comparisons and points of focus.
love the video, straight to the bone and super informative, keep it up! can you do how to play hard support next?
my favorite dota channel guide. keep it up mate!
Thanks you very much for these amazing guides. It feels so easy to play carry after two of your videos.
until will you have a griefer afk pos5 :) im on 3 and between 4k and i have always a griefer.. always. In the last two weeks, I lost 450mmr, because of griefer toxic players. Ohh.. with 10k behavior score ofc. And these games was not one me. I know the common god players will say: if u are good enough, u can climb up. But no. It is really hard if you are playing carry and pos4-5. If you play mid, climbing up is really easy. But i do not like to play mid. I love to play support or carry. And if you have a feeder mid, or a feeder pos1, u can not do anything. U can get the stars from the sky, nothing will help your game. U can try so hard, it will be impossible to win the game with 1 griefer.
@@dealw1t It's not like these griefers are in your every game and who's to say the enemy team don't get them too in some of your games. I personally believe in the 40/40/20 rule that Jenkins made a video about. 40% are guaranteed wins, 40% are guaranteed losses usually because of things out of your control like griefers, smurfs, account buyers, etc. And 20% are impact games. These are relatively close games in which both sides are on equal skill level and almost every bit of mistake or outplay can decide the outcome of the match. The best way to get better is to focus on winning these tough games are they not only help you get better at the game being put in a difficult but manageable and winnable game but you also get some much needed experience from such high intensity games not to mention winning these games will give you a huge rush that every dota player craves for. Regardless though play like you're always trying to win, always trying to prove that you're better than the enemy team, always wanting to take the enemy ancient no matter what.
Great video, wish you luck!
This is quality information! thanks for the video
Thanks man a lot i saw this video around 3 weeks and i was at 2450ish mmr and now i am at 3100 legend 1 by just getting proper lh at 20 min and watching this video again to get some more insights
like your content bro I really forgot how to play dota after pandemic really wanna try this technic on my pubs go make some more like this
Thanks man, i just climbed 300 mmr after watching this video. Hope you make more quality content
insane video it would be huge to make a one for midlane plz!
great channel
Awesome guide bro
I can confirm that this farming mentality works, I've been spamming naga after watching his other video on how to carry and get immortal and am just focusing on average 200-250 cs by 20 minutes, I have a 75% winrate, and went from calibrating at crusader 4 when 7.33 came out to legend 2 right now
Curious if you can get out of legend like this. let me know how it goes!
One reason why higher bracket carry has higher cs its because their supports actually stack camps for them. I'm ancient and probably have 1/10 games where my supports stack, so maybe the target should be reduced abit. My average is about 160+ at 20mins
Keep reducing it and stay ancient my friend
Subscribed. Hopefully you’ll make a guide for offlaners, since offlane is a bit more interesting(in my opinion) since you’ll need to balance last hits with ruining the enemy carry’s game, while also trying to survive the lane when your 4 rotates, taking T1, knowing when to group up with your team and etc.
I usually dislike these kinds of videos because they give really vague advice, but this one is great. I'm 6k and can confirm if you do this stuff you'll easily hit 4k mmr. I do think the last hit range can be lower for carries like Riki who are incentivized to farm kills.
Also for everyone saying they want to see this for offlane, you don't understand offlane. Some heroes in offlane like LC and Axe want to rice a 2k gold item before they get active, some zoo offlaners just jungle in the enemy jungle to threaten towers, some offlane heroes just rush brown boots blink and start running it down immediately. Offlaners don't care about their last hit numbers if they're killing heroes.
Great video, Paindota
Glad you enjoyed it
The average Afk farm carry getting confirmation bias watching this vid
Just to play devils advocate, I paid for the privilege to have a professional Dota 2 player ( 4 x Major Winner ) to play on my team. He played on my spare crusaider account, and I played on my archon account. He went 6-0 with SF in mid, and we still lost the game because our pos 1 AM fed his lane. When you team is trash and feeds, it doesnt matter how many last hits you get. Not even the highest calibre player with over a decade on the pro scene and a 6-0 lane phase, can outweigh a shit team.
thank you for the quality video my dude
Lovely video bro I won 19 games out of my last 20 games. Thank you i think i can go pro now
Agree, problem is unless you're playing a lot (10+ games a week) you don't really get good games. I play 2-4 games a week, and 50% of my games have a griefer. Meaning the other two I gotta play perfectly :D
Do U play in SEA
Your videos are awesome. Thanks!
So I tried this in a couple 2k games. They all went about the same. I focus entirely on my farm, meanwhile mid and off lane get absolutely dumpstered. Loss all t1 towers in the first 10 minutes, their team then spends all their time hunting me down so I can't farm. Still managed to get about 180 cs by 20 minutes despite getting insta gibbed trying to farm but by that point my team was completely destroyed and the gold from all the feeds had their carry on par with me. Game ended at about 25 mins. Not saying this is wrong, but clearly there's a little more to it and I'm doing something wrong.
This exactly 💯 Coupled with teammates that buy stupid items. Once had a kotl going 0/14/0 in under 25mins even the enemy sympathize lmao
Even if you spam heroes (which is the most effective way to gain mmr imo), it would still not be certain that you'll be climbing mmr. At the end of the day its still a 5v5, its a combination of different things and mostly its just luck with your teammates whether you like it or not.
I had 15 winstreak for spamming 3 different heroes but that is still not enough because I end up teaming up with people who is either practicing a new hero or just not really good enough for the rank and I ended up having a losestreak.
Waiting for something like this for mid role. Nice vid
Idk man its possible but some games are just lost cause. Mid and offlane tier 1 destroyed under 10mins then enemy kept pressuring me with nowhere to farm plus team with stupid itemization
i queued, wanting to implement these techniques... then got matched up against a huskar who positioned near my ranged creep so I couldnt even try to creep aggro. Tough luck out there.
regarding lasthits you cant cs if all the heroes are your competition in low ELO even supports farm, the take range creeps and etc. your ofla e will be at the saflane camps farming up and supports taking over your lane
@paindota the scenario that always happened for bracket divine and below is when you play carry, your support actually destroy your lane. For example when you try to make the equilibrium for the creep your support will keep agro the wave, or they never pulling when creep is pushing. Worst case they will just leave u at lane 1v2 enemy, i dont have any problem if my hero get lvl 6 early and i can just go jngle. But the problem is your support share xp with you untill lvl 3-4 and he left you and its obviously pos 4 enemy will outzone you while offlaner enemy d9 all creep.sometimes it happened that i literally cant do anything at lane and cant even reach lvl 6 by 10minutes because of this. What will you do in this case?
This question is specific only for laning stage because sometime when this happened you literally got stomp even you go jungling either pos 3/4 enemy will hunting and disturb your farm
@@teh_oais6437 lets imagine you dont have a decent supp and you cant even lane under tower. heres a simple recipe for pubs:
1. buy yourself an observer ward and place it between where you want to farm and where your opponent would gank you from.
2. if someone wants to gank you in there, you will see it and you have to scream into your mic for help before theyre even close to you because the team is typically rather slow.
3. enjoy the counter gank
@@ladderlappen4585 i got your idea thanks, but gank is not the problem for my question, basically i ask what will u do if u have to 1v2 lane at lvl 3-4 while enemy pps 4 outzone you while their offlane farming and d9 creep and small camp was blocked. If you said just get XP and lvl 6 go jngle i believe with all the d9 from enemy make your level process so slow and u cant even reach lvl 6 by 10min mark. So for the first 10min u literally cant do anything except hug tower while watching creep got d9.
When farming on side lanes early in a 2v1 scenario: 1. Push and pull. 2 . If warded try to deward or go stack the camps adjacent and farm them till the wave is back under your tower. 3. Don't die or try to minamalize the downs of your early match ups. This should do 80% of the time
13:17 vital advice for all carry players right there
excelllent video!! thank you
Are you able to do a video on position 3 farming? Thanks.
Getting 180/200 sounds incredibly hard and downright impossible for heroes that have no farm accelerants. Lowering it a bit by 165/185 is a bit more feasible. Also while this wasn't mentioned, you shouldn't feel bad about not hitting these numbers when you also get kills as a carry. Sometimes certain "kill lane" carries like CK do not mind not getting that much lasthits when they can outright kill anything in sight that doesn't have an escape when he gets his armlet and echo sabre.
I have mentioned that its lowered for heroes without farming capabilities.
thank you for very useful tips 🤩🤩
Quality content 👌🏼❣️🔥
Love ur channel buddy :>
Ty for video my friend
You have my yt support friend. Ty
If the support Last Hit and farm how can carry do? Pos 5 on herald farm and last hit on early game, and no put ward, no dust if enemy have invisible 😢
12:31 Bro, u dont need to keep track of wave timings, just look at your own creep wave, and then mirror the positions of the enemy creeps in the opposite half of the map, its that easy, no rocket science
Can you please make a guide on how to farm when you are behind, for example one of the enemy cores starts to snowball and your jungle is fully occupied by min 15. How not to get locked in base? Thanks!
Hello, with the new map you can just farm the side jungles or the enemy map.
Call gg and destroy item like EU rank #1 Mr CCNC 😂
Buy a smoke, go to the enemy jungle
i just watched this vidoe today and that help me alot
did everygame that 200Last hits in time and ez win crusader 1v9 :D thanks alot
how did you know the ideal good carry cs each time? pointing at 02:18
Based on my own experience as a carry player and watching other high rank players. There is a lot of farm available on the map. If you aren't playing super active, you have 0 excuses of not achieving these numbers
easy to say...but while in higher mmr brackets there are stacks n in lower mmr brackets there are supports takin the farm
that mentality got my supports very mad
My problem now is getting enough role queue to carry my 3k mmr games, I'm getting the CS goal numbers and playing carry is like 85% winrate for now but I suck ass in other roles.
I felt it bro ❤ you are saying right but the thing is that 😢 my supp farming lane so i can't implement pattern like if i clear a wave then side camp bcz lane go deeper they just went there and use a spell on creeps lane push again 😢 then i can't farm wave deeper that's why i love to play am so i can blink nd run no matter how far deeper the wave is...... Also i got gank again nd again if lane go bad low map awareness😢
As a mid player on heroes like QoP, Storm, are the last hit goals the same ?
Not exactly, but you should be above 120-130 cs at min 20. Compare it with pro players and see how much are they getting on average of 10 games
Forgot a tiny detail. Better teams in higher medals pay attention to their hard carry and do not farm the camps on their path + stack for them.
I can get 60 at 10, but 120-150 at 15min is still surreal to me, cos when i get 60 it means i dont have pudge pos 5 and i won the lane so i go pushing, killing and fighting, if i lost the lane i go afk farm but i still cant get 120 at 15 cos i had like 40 at min 10 cos i lost lane, 200 at 20 is reachable but only on afk farm am or medusa
Great vid on farming patterns! Can you do offlane as well? Thanks.
how do you do this that you have this AOE range meter around your Auto Attack?
Very informative video but i think theres a small mistake at 12:40. After the lane creep scaling nerf on the new map/patch and buffing jungle creeps i think the carry gets more farm in the jungle after finishing his farming item
Hello do you have any suggest hero for midlaner nowday everytime i try to cover up what my team draft lack enemy keep cheese pick me, great video btw keep up
great video, bro.
ty for advice, nice video. but it doesn't work if teammates just don't want to end the game. they gon run around the map and wait till 55 minutes. then enemy becomes stronger and u loose.
@PainDota hey just confirming but do you edit the video first and later add the voice over? I am looking to start a youtube channel and am looking into what the approach should be. Also, what mic are you usin if you dont mind me asking. Other than that, great content as always.
Nope I dont use voice overs and im using razer sierin mini
Do you can show your hotkeys aswell?
But dude in herald and other lower bracket, our support do steal LH in lanes, so it’s not easy as u say
Grt video plz make one video for mid lane
I love Pain dota
Bro next make we need a content of when is the best time to engage in fights/join clash as a carry🙏
Great video
corelation doesnt mean causation. one could argue that you would die less in a game you are winning so your gpm would be higher.
ty for advice but i have a question as archon player who stucks and cant climb my rank , what can i do when my teammates are realy noob, most of the time when i check my replays i see my net worth is higher than other 9 players but the 2th and 3th and 4th higher networth are enemy heros , which means im really alone , what can i do about just tell me , because of these games i lose mmr , its realy hard 1 vs 3,for example u said muerta 180 in 20 mins , most of the time i have last hits between 165 to 185 in 20 mins with muerta , which is not realy bad and im the top of networth but my winrate with her is 41percent
I will give you mine. 1.if you're consistently the highest networth hero on your team then encourage at least 1 support to always be around to help you in case you get gone on. It doesn't necessarily have to be a save or healer hero just someone who can even turn a gank around and outright kill those trying to gank you. 2. Play around your power spikes and maximize your farm as much as possible to hit these spikes before the enemy cores do. Usually being an item or 2 ahead or sometimes an immensely powerful Aghs upgrade, Aghs shard or level talent. 3.Join fights only if you know you can outright win it and if you can't then recognize such instances as quickly as possible and gtfo before they get to you. Prioritize your life over your teammates to be more precise. 4. Never go highground without Aegis EVER! I can't stress this enough. Even at my Divine rank and even with a decent gold lead it's absolutely stupid to try and siege tier 3 towers without an Aegis. It always ends up badly. At low ranks this is really tricky to convince your teammates to do but you will have an easier time to end games sooner if you manage to do this. Spam pinging rosh if you have to. Insist the support to ward the Twin gates portal on where the Rosh is currently. Also, you generally can take down rosh in a minute or more if it's the full team so if you manage to convince your team to go rosh then do take it when there's at least 2 minutes left before Rosh moves to the other pit(e.g.23 min/28 min). Generally it's you the pos 1 carry who takes the aegis since you're the one with sufficient physical damage to siege the tower but it can sometimes go to certain mid heroes who can frontline and deal a lot of tower damage for you like Meepo or a hero like Storm Spirit who will be able to use the extra life well to win a decisive having full mana up again once aegis is used up. 5. Carries that I recommend in low rank are CK, Juggernaut, WK, PA, Slark, Ursa, Razor, MK and Bloodseeker. If you're really committed you can even try Morphling and Naga but it is a huge commitment to get good with these 2. If you're really serious about adding at least one of these 2 to your hero pool then you better get some serious practice and play time on anything first usually in unranked or in turbo. Hope this helps you out bro.
I'm reading, I'm watching a lot of tutorials I have 7000 hours mostly carry... Archon 5 current rank... tell me how I can win when, hard support my team pick PA and offlane viper... next game Medusa offlane break items on 7min... how to raise mmr when Valve make this game so toxic and non friendly is just insane....
this video is 99% farming. I love it
I'm a safelane player and I'm currently in Legend 4, This video helped me out a bit about learning how to last hit but I'm hoping if you have any idea what to do on losing lanes, because sometimes even if I lose the laning phase I still get the job done in the end, I just wanted to know if there are some other ways to win even if you lost the lane :(
Just don't tilt, don't tilt your teammates and try your hardest. When you're winning it's very easy to overextend and make mistakes, so by not tilting you're allowing yourself and your team to capitalize on enemies overextending. I've came back plenty of times in games where the lanes are lost hard. It's all about mental strength.
@@eloquence5134 This is very helpful, I'm trying not to tilt every game, I even had SF pos5 and I tried to make it work but it ends up us losing but I kept my cool and tried for next game, and now I just ranked up to Legend IV and Hoping I could reach Ancient I, It just bothers me sometimes that I lose around 10-12 minutes and my lane has been pushed towards Tier 2, I saw a video from BSJ on how to win from that type of scenario where you get beaten to a pulp then magically recover after 10 mins. I was hoping PainDota could share something about that scenario, I would love to see it.
@@eloquence5134 "Try your hardest" What kind of useless tip is that? If they guy is feeding his lane you don't tell him to try his hardest, you tell him to get the fuck outta there and start chopping some jungle creep salad.
@LifeBoxGaming I'd glue my eyes to the minimap and if they show somewhere I go opposite from them. I'd either farm away from the enemy or towards. Depends if my team has hands or not.
" I still get the job done in the end" well.. you got the job done, so where is the problem? apart from that, there are just 2 ways to deal with a lost lane anyway.
1. just farm more, 2. if your hero is not a fast farmer and something like battle fury would take too long to farm, just skip it and buy an item, that helps you to fight like bkb, to join your team in fights asap. this works in this patch especially well because kills give alot of gold right now. t.e, when i played slark, lost the lane really hard and farmed myself a bkb min 15 to join the fights fast, i was able to kill the supports (who would just kite me, if i had a farming item instead) and snowballed from there.
He said in the video that if you lose your tower you just fall back and farm the outer camps, while taking the waves when they push in.
"You dont give a fuck" Best advise ever
Legend here, can you make some videos on supporting? I only ever see carry videos, but as a support, these don't really do much for me. I do find a lot of the time I'm standing around doing nothing, just waiting for something to happen. My carries are just farming, so there's no where to farm
you should learn all the roles to some extent, if you applied the knowledge in this video it will improve your overall game understanding and make u gain mmr
@@sebastianGunnarson71 It's not a role thing, it's a hero thing. The only hero I enjoy playing is AA, and I don't like playing core AA. So I'm basically locked into support
does this apply to sea server cuz in the games ive been playing the cores are fast at farming most of the time and im still guardian
bro what region is that. try comparing ancient-divine bracket from SEA, on a non-stomp game both carries have 180-200 lasthits at minute 20
This isn't limited to region my friend
How to rank up as a support: pick defensive supports.
Esp in low ranks all carry players are dumb as a brick and will build glass cannon even if the enemy has nyx.
Being an omni or a dazzle will turn the tides of many battles.
Esp as omni, a good ulti in a low MMR fight will result in the enemys glass cannon carry not doing any dmg while being blasted down like a chimp.
U forgot 1 super important tip : mute everyone
How do you set your health bar settings like that?
Search for HP Decay command
Did this farmed til 15 minutes disruptor got mad started following all game for afk farming and lost the game
thank you ^^
And there is my support lion farming triangle rather than defending tower for his ags
watching this vid while in queue and i got 200 cs in min 19 KEK ty