Drill, Thread, and Chamfer with 1 Tool
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The TM Solid TMDR by Vargus Tooling removes the need for pre-drilling holes, saving customers time and money.
These tools also work on components with pre-drilled holes, such as blind holes, through holes, and even semi-finished holes
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This tool is the TM Solid TDMR treadmill from Vargus..
www.vargusuk.co.uk/Vargus/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=2113
What's the back ground music please 👍
😅
@@bob85099 yes i am instrumental version, zach sorgen, the wildcardz
Only for alluminum material used and metric and pt tapping
Whats the song you used called buddy?
I know it's definitely not the case, but I can't help but imagine someone in their home garage trying to turn the handle on the drill press with one hand and shimmy the sheet steel with the other, then swearing when it doesn't quite work as they imagined.
lmfaoo "it took him about 3 seconds for each rotation so ill just rotate the plate that fast, should be good"
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@@chiphill4856 Ever heard of a joke buddy?
Who needs a drill press? Just whip out the old handheld black and decker and free hand it
@@miketyson1717😂
Would like to see it mill a actual threaded hole without chip fouling. Half holes are easy as the worked material is free to be expelled from the work piece
Just glue togheter 2 halves :^)
@@hortler😂
Я тоже подумал о выходе стружки. Думаю туда нужно подавать воздух.
I was just looking for a comment like yours. Would be nice to see the tool not spinning, so we get an idea of what the flutes look like.
I use these and a similar tool from guhring daily and I had the same thought the first time I saw it. We now use them exclusively. Aluminum to inco 5962. We even use them down to 4-40 in inconel. We can get over 40 holes from a 4-40 in inco 5663. Awesome tools
The new guy is still going to chase it out with the wrong tap in assembly.
😂😂 too good
Like a ford triton.
@@user-gg2ty5tk8k And go to the strip club just to collect your thought do you don't take a sledge hammer to the aluminum engine block.
If assembly needs taps, the machine shop isn't doing their job right. Assemble can have an air line and some pipe cleaners lol
@@user-gg2ty5tk8k The Emperor protects.... the parts
I could definitely do this with my Ryobi drill hand held for sure
Doubt
Yeah it’s not hard it’s my go to
When pigs fly 🐖 🦅
Would still be three tools, the bit, the drill, and you. Badumtsss...
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What a time to be a machinist. Whoa.
the tool is easy to make with a lathe and angle grinder
the toolpath has been possible since 1850
why is it not common? blame Big Tap and Die
@@petedude2lu3There is def more going on then just "a lathe and a angle grinder" my man.
Those Mills have been on the market for over 10 years now... I used to work with the Hitachi/Moldino EDT line when I was a machinist
these also cut hardened steel above 60hrc, its pretty cool
@@petedude2lu3I hope this is sarcasm
I thought these things only existed on the projector screen at a mazak training course 😂
This is a Vargus tool.
@poultryguy12ableits actually significantly more impressive that they cut it that way but whatever floats your shit talking boat
The beauty and joys of CNC.
@@yeahright5227and lasers
@@MTDCNCcould you link the tool please? Very interested
Very cool. For brass and aluminum.
Have seen similar tool dive nicely in to 60 HRC D2 tool steel
@@JaakkoFwas that video by Adam the machinists by chance? I saw him do this in tool steel with no coolant
I’ve ran them in 17-4 h900 just fine
@@reidb9422 and it plunged just fine huh? Or was the hole already there.
No it’s not cool they forgot the coolant
I use a Walter mill to do this in inconel 718. so far it does a couple of hundreds of threads with a 6H tolerance before it needs any compensation or change of tool.
is that good does not seem like much.
@@Chris-cz6hninconel is not fun to machine
What’s your tolerance for hole locations though?
@@3rd_Eye_Culture in millimeters its 0.2 pos tol.
Hundreds??? In Inconel??? 🤔
Finally, my dream of a non-circular threaded hole can be realized
Who cares if your hole is a little egg shaped, or if your bit starts binding from not being able to pass chips out? Atleast you dont have to change from a bit to a tap!
Just need a transporter to install the bolt.
It's moving in a circle wise guy.
its moving in a circular pattern. Not just side to side.
This guy's ahead in technology
I love machining -theres just something satisfying about it
I’ve been doing it over 20 years and the only thing that keeps me doing it is all the side projects I do. Other than that I’m burned out working for someone else.
How well does it evacuate chips without thru coolant
Well since half the hole is gone I'd say quite well🤣
@@quweefs Awsome handle 🤣 I bet they bust because of the heavy relief needed to helic at that crazy of an angle
For a demo with half the material ... missing? 😂 You'd still need it for a "real" job...
@@jamessmith1190MY HANDLE IS BETTER!!!!!
The bit is hollow and it blows compressed air, and because the bit is only 3/4 the diameter of the hole being cut it just blows out
🤷 (I just made this up)
The end with chamfer nailed it.
nah I think it screwed it homedawg
Both of you nah. Bolted it
A really simple but effective tool.
@@ohmahfoot3995Cut it out
What is the ordering information for this tool?
"What tooling did you run?" They ask as the bass line from "I Ran" begins to play.
I walked along the avenue
@@codiserville593
"I never thought I'd meet a girl like you uu!"
"Meet a girl like you uu!"
Vargus
I had similar tool to mill m10 in heated toolsteal 65hrc was impressive to see and was very stabel prozess, the helix needs to be the same as pitch from the screw. And the tool is left trunning if i remember correctly. And yes no pre drilled hole was needed.
Well that's cool and all, but it only drilled half a hole.
I could watch this all day.
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I'm trying to imagine what the application is for where can you use a half a threaded hole?😂
Now that takes a steady hand.
If it was completely metal, how would it throw out the shavings? Does that mess with final product
Threadmills are the shit. No more broken taps 💪🏻
What junk it went off course and made a hole In completely the wrong spot 😂
Saw this at IMTS last year, was cool then, still cool now
Billion dollar product
Who makes it?
@@jonathonwood4088 I don't know who made it sadly
@@jonathonwood4088 It might be Harvey tools that makes it
Maybe you should start it and pls also create some way to use it without owning a cnc @@jonathonwood4088
The chamfer wasn't that clean, but other than that,
Cool tool!
Wow , thanks for sharing bro. This is the first time I see this working
Anyone else notice he misspelled chamber
Edit: Nvm didnt know chamfer was an actual word
Какая прелесть...Мой трудовик сошёл бы с ума, от восторга.
try that in steel instead of 6061 aluminum lol. That's not exactly drilling, it's just a threadmill.
Now show it without the cutaway
Do you mean a solid block of material?
No, I think he means without space for the chips to get out.
Might work in alumin or brass.
@@JamesValentineKohera There is plenty of space for chips to evacuate, about 1/3-1/2 of the tool diameter.
@@JaakkoF but there is no helix to pull the chips out. Without spindle thru coolant or some other method of evacuation it will get messy as the depth increases
Anyone have a link to where you can get these?
What country Bill?
@@MTDCNC USA
Brilliant idea.
M3 thread, deth 6mm, HRC 48 - possible
?
With one tool...a precision cnc milling machine that costs a small fortune.
What are you on about?
i mean if my whole business model is tapping threads, this is a game changer.
Awesome tool if you need 1/2 a hole.
This could save an unbelievable amount of time in the right setting. Saving 2 tool changes, and the issue with breaking taps. Also you only need to buy 1 tool compared to multiple. WIN WIN WIN! Amazing idea!
I would say it depends on the size of the thread, and the material. For me it seems quite slow (if smaller than M12 thread). And who knows if the Price of this particular tool isnt more than the 3 normally used tools, and How long it Can last 😊 but very interesting Indeed
One tool that's twice as complex.
It saves time only with a low hole count. For many holes the tool change time doesn't matter any more because you can do the operations for all holes with a single tool change
That is the reason we are starting to see lots of these tools. You also take up less space in the tool changer.
@@MTDCNC not to mention if your machine doesn't have a tool changer, it can do more work with one button push.
Interpolation cutting is nice and easy when you know what you are doing. Have seen many machinist not have a clue as to how to program this type of cutting. The nice thing about this tool is that it is doing the threading as well.
Болшэва : диаметра чем сам ..
😅😢😂
I would like to see how good it does in solid material, most people are not drilling/ tapping into the edge of material.
Thread milling is not new…. I have been doing it for years i just did some 1.25-7 threads in 1-1/2 plate a couple of days ago did 50 holes with the same thread mill
@@H3lzsn1p3rYes thread milling is old tech, but I'll bet my whole paycheck you drilled it first. I'd love to see this tool stopped. Either it had through spindle coolant, spiral flute, or its not going to work for chip evacuation.
I work with HMC's, and even those are going to struggle unless there is through spindle coolant capability.
We have seen these in solid material many times.
@@MTDCNC
Make a video about it. Not only solid material but heat treated steel, or 316 stainless. Lets see a video without drilling a hole in it.
@@MTDCNC you a whole bot, get outta here
im no machinist but i think theres a reason that you would normally use three tools for that
For those not in the know, this wouldn’t work. They are cutting a cross section all the while drowning the tool in air. You can see chips building up behind the tool before it disengages a cut. It is a neat idea but as a machinist I call BS.
Incredible! Now imagine series production of replaceable cogwheels, connected to other detail by bolts, screwed between two details!
Yep, that’s thread milling.
But thread milling with center cutting! My thread mill doesn't plunge cut...
@@nicgili ok…you can buy them.
@@ckane510 link? If the are in my budget I totally will.
@@nicgili that same phone/computer in your hand has all the power to do your own research.
@@MonkeyNoHands Im asking ckane, not you. But thanks anyways.
Add a very PRECISE CNC machine to the "1 tool".
Having the 2 cutting heads leaves you with only 1 thread pitch. Could removing the 1 so you can mill in different thread sizes.
but how would they sell an entire set in that case?
That’s great for making threads for sizes that don’t exist
...or for multiple threads in the same hole. Still, I'd rather drill first.
Wow. That takes a steady hand. Very impressive.
A steady hand?
@@georgejackson4790 to press the green button =)
j.k. maybe he thinks it's a manual? who knows...
@@zrakodelocoit could be a joke. I wouldn't know.
Riiiiiiiiight...🤔😒
I think I could do it!
I can do that by hand with a cheap cordless drill
I'll pray for those bearings !
Lol Nice tool
Wow that's really smart. Not what I was thinking the design would be!
Drafting in military be like.
This is the fastening system used by Stockton Rush...half a hole, half a thread, half a bolt and wood glue.
U so silly u need 2 tools to do this. The $5 bit ur hucking and the $80,000 CNC mill to drive it.
lol
How deep a hole can you cut before the swarf is an issue?
That was great, but it was off target.,, damn thing tapped threads in the edge of the work piece…
off target??
Mine made a crunching sound a couple times at the bottom of thread then broke in 3rd. I never got to understand why. 17-4
This is awesome. Plus you can double your bolts by cutting them in half lol
這工藝厲害啊，寫進刀位超燒腦
My phases throughout the video:
Hold that shit still, ohh ok, I see. WOW.
thanks
cause conventional cutting with a thread mill is such a great idea, sure it looks great when yer only doing half the hole, what happens when the chips got nowhere to go?
Besides how long does it take to drill a hole? then if you absolutely can't figure out how to program a tap cycle (which is sadly very common) then use a standard readily available thread mill?
Not to mention I see issues with minor dia, and pitch dia being common with this tool in real world use, couple that with it being a single thread size use, making it that much more specialized... yeah no
But wait! theres more, with a standard thread mill you usually have enough cut length to creat the thread depth in one pass, maybe 2 with a spring pass, so again I ask WHY?
That’s for the steel bolts to screw in
What is this madness you speak of?!
Nope, marshmallow bolts.
DAM THAT TAKE ME LIKE 30MINS BY HAND. 😢
Chamfer before you finish the thread so you don't roll over the top of the thread.
thanks
لا اعرف من سيقرأ تعليقي ولكن اسأل الله العظيم يجبر بخاطرك جبرا عظيما يتعجب منه اهل السموات والارض ويرزقك من حيث لا يحتسب اللهم اغفر لي ولوالدي يارب
Looks like it works well making half of a hole on the edge, how does it do in the middle where the chips can't exit as easily being surrounded completely by metal?
Considering how bad the Toy Story 4 toys were, I'd say this figure has aged pretty well for what it is
Machine a drill bit above that to guide the metal out the hole then we can talk
Yeah... Obviously it's new and good..but at a same time does it could be a deep machining where air can't be able to reach... Then how chips will come out???
súper bacano la manera como se ve la perfección con que labora esa broca en el metal
Threadmilling is very slow but accurate.
Do you have any info on where to purchase?
What country are from? It is Vargus Tooling.
This is by far the most rediculous showcasing.
1 tool.
Cost; $17,999
Viola!😊
What are these things called? Do they work on blind holes in steel and cast iron too?
They are available from Vargus and yes, they do. What country are you from?
@@MTDCNC Thank you. I’m in the UK.
seems hard to equate chips out a blind hole
Won’t work in a blind hole, end milling only
I was thinking like threads are made inserting another bolt in the hole 🕳️ made with hard material 🤔
How does this clean a plugged hole 🤷🏼♂️, where does the swarf go???
Pretty sure I could do this with my cordless drill. NOT! Super cool! Thank you
now, i just need this for some dardelot self lockers...
man.. i did this at home, running taps ground to a single flute. i needed m14x0.8...
dickhead "machinist" at work is like "why not use a tap"?
this is why you arent allowed to do anything involving setup, mr button-pusher.
Honestly these should only be used on already hardened parts, for everything else just use taps
If it's got a thru spindle coolant port for chip evacuation, this could be amazing for blind holes... Especially holes where the thread depth is close to the total depth.
We agree.
You just order a tap with less lead-in.
While the tool is impressive, the real money is in the machine running that tool. A CNC Mill isn’t really in your average man’s budget LOL but cool to watch anyways. An old Bridgeport isn’t a bad starting point if you can find one at auction that sells for reasonable money.
Yeah, it's working flawlessly now, cause it's half a hole geometry on the face of the metal. Show us a demonstration where it ACTUALLY needs to cut a threaded hole and prove this thing doesn't turn into a fuckin clogged food processor for steel chips.
Hello my dear
Im interesting about thread milling in dental field
Ineed make internal and external thread milling in titanium matrial
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CAN YOU HELP ME PLEASE?
but is it really faster than a quality drill and threadmill or quality drill and tap, a good carbide drill can punch that hole in seconds, a tap or threadmill not much more time and a simple chamfer is nothing, seems like a good way to sell tools is all but as far as cost effective doesnt make sense to me, maybe if a machine didnt have a tool changer it would be nice or a slow tool changer
Maybe alright for home cnc but in the big industry can’t take those take lots of time are not as clean as a normal 3 way job and again takes to much time in the time you make 1 of those I need to make 8-12 but nice idea need to work on that maybe at some point a tool like this can exchange the regular way we make those
It that tool covered in anti-seizing substance like graphite? It's sure very
"sparkling" compared to, this ofc being a brand new tools and not just a clip of 1 good cycle out of 50...
All you need is a means of delivering an absolutely perfect feed rate that's dictated both by the thread pitch and the diameter of the hole. Just consult this handy online calculator as opposed to just drilling and tapping like a pleb.
I don't understand how the geometry works out. What I mean is that the threads obviously has to be a spiral while the tool has a horizontal cutter moved in a spiral motion. How does the tool not affect the area it just cot as it is worked down to a lower position? Obviously it works, but the downward motion has to a little bit more on the move.
Imagine trying to get right with just a piller drill.....
Cool bit if you got the tech, but if you got the tech you probably don't need that bit......🤷♂️
Program
There was a water dripping sound when I was watching the video which I found odd, but very fitting and calming...
...then I realized I left my faucet halfway on
Cuantos ejes necesita la CNC?
AFTER DRILLING -WE CUT OUR THREAD S FROM THE BOTTOM UP---IT KEEPS THE TOOL FROM RECUTTING CHIP S AND MARRING THE THREAD S -----I,M SURE THIS WORK S FOR NORMAL STUFF
How on earth would you thread with what is effectively two disks? Hint: you don't. This only *seems* to work in a cut through view.
Conclusion: it's a scam.
Dude, please - the same, but in AISI-304 with M14x1,25 😂
I’ve exclusively worked in quality, but I’d be really interested in machining parts if I got to play with cool news tools and machines.
It's just more proof that we need to get beyond threads. Beyond the old fastening techniques.
yep
What’s that application for this? I’m assuming the half thread cut in the video is just to show how the tool works? How would chips be expelled?
What gets me is some of the stuff ive seen cnc'd are as hard as it gets... So wtf are these bits made of to not be destroyed instantly . Is theyre a class of metal soley designated to cncs haha
What it got a carbide burr on the flat bottom or something? Looks like you could use it a handfull of times then itd friction weld itself to the work..
I wonder what will happen when you dril-tap-chamfer a non opened hole. Where will the removed material go? this is bollocks.
Use them they work great! But we went back to the normal way bc the Mitsubishi cutters where 550 a piece. Idk about thisone or the cost of it