The main reason why the old kit does more dmg is because of auto canceling. The rework Loki struggles auto canceling with the new decoy and his new flurry. I'm sure if I added 4 auto-attack cancels to the reworked Loki with his 1x progression vs .75x, the new rework would win easily. The problem is that it's unrealistic. Also, keep in mind that even if the new rework does more dmg, it is considerably much slower to apply dmg. The old kit could dumb 2,700 dmg in less than 2s, where you would need 2s for flurry to deal 800 dmg... My thoughts on the rework: -Vanish: Very frustrating to deal with since anyone can see me now and my direction. Before it was just numbers in the air but now you can see which direction im facing which is a huge clue to my pathing. Loki now laughs so his ability to sneak up to someone is very limited therefore defeating the purpose of "stealth." -Decoy: I don't even bother lvling this ability in the jungle. The dmg is 264 + 80% in dots. Very low dmg and doesnt have a slow to keep people in there long enough for the blind/debuff, and ulting the target into the decoy is not worth it at all. -Flurry: Okay this is the worst one in his kit for many reasons. The first is that it takes too long to fully cast. It doesn't slow immediately and therefore very easy to outrun. It doesn't provide any form of cc immunity so it can be easily interruptible. The transition from vanish auto attack to flurry is very awkward and feels clunky and not smooth. The dmg is low (415 + 125%) and does less dmg than the old aimed strike (keep in mind that the aimed strike deals 220 + 100% but you have to also add the auto attack + Hydra proc that follows with his aimed strike, so in reality, it's more like 220 + 100% + auto attack). -Ultimate: This ability doesn't always put you behind your target since the enemy can still move and turn around. It also has horrible synergy with his Flurry attack since the stun technically only lasts .25s since his animations take up the stun duration. The ability also feels very slow. In my opinion, I could tolerate the vanish, decoy, and ultimate change if they keep Loki's "Aimed Strike" ability. The flurry doesn't flow right and is inconsistent.
@Ryan Telly he was never viable in solo lane..he was used in solo lane but it's wasn't viable ever. and why are u asking? Just don't pick the character. He is not loki anymore
What a shame. Everything about this takes away the point of playing Loki. He was fine for so many years, just being that one pick you had to be scared of if the Loki was any good, now it won't matter. What a sad end for the King of spam laughing.
So, I heard they nerfed loki again... Would be interesting to see how the new 3 and 4 play out against a moving player to see how much damage you can REALLY apply with the new kit, how easy are they to dodge and how effective are beads and aegis now... Also, didn't Ajax say to you that they were going to keep the 2 as an obstacle for enemy gods so they could get body blocked and protect you from hunter basic attacks? also, I heard i'ts not a pet anymore, so it won't even get aggro from towers anymore... so we can't tower dive effectively anymore
Raudhr it’s no nerf what so ever his team fight is 100x better and his jungle clear is 100x better, his 3 needs a little buff maybe since it is a long wind up time and maybe his 2 needs to apply the blind on 3 hits instead of 4 but overall he’s so much better and I’m pretty sure that’s just objective
Oops, on the vanish dmg for the new Loki, he does 106 more dmg than the old thanks to his auto revert. So the new Loki with vanish deals a total of 1,159. It should be the only mistake.
If this gets all the shitty Loki mains out the game then good. I’m going to love playing the new Loki and his old kit was toxic and no skill. In order for him to be viable you need to play like a total ass and run away from everything while split pushing. At least this new Loki can stun and blind multiple people in a fight despite his 3 being kinda crap.
Minato Namikaze your joking right?? Loki at high end play literally can’t team fight. That’s why he split pushes and runs away. What god awful bronzy elo are you in where Loki is team fighting and able to actually get a pick and not split push. Your IQ dropped as you said this statement didn’t it?
Twin Blade Volt first off, I’m platinum rank smartass, I’m not the best, but I’m not garbage either, secondly, in most low ranked matches I’ve seen, the Loki used his Ultimate to start an engagement, not to end it,
@@twinbladevolt8679 and that is why they reworked him, you say it like it is a bad thing. Now he can teamfight and the problem that everybody had was decoy, which is gone
I think it's a trade for some buffs. Example: Not only can you still use the ult to escape and focus down a single target, now you can stun multiple enemies. I can jump Enemy A and then stun both them and their allies that try to help them before finishing Enemy A off. Hell, I can still stun Enemy A even if I missed the stab. I can lock down several squishes or low hp targets. But yes, stopping Loki from proxy cheese is a well deserved nerf
Isaiah Morris its definitely not wrong, does old loki have an aoe stun? No. Does he have jungle clear? No. Does he have any range for better chase potential? No. Does he have teamfight potential? Also NO.
casual players are lazy to understand the uniqueness of loki and learn how to play against him and then call him annoying and the more active players call him bad and easy to counter , so i understand the concern that hirez have. but they are killing the uniqquiness of the characters , every new god that came out have aoe damage and generally play all the same even the assassins it is like they are all mages but with physical damage (pelle is a good example). Hirez is trying to put all of them in a general pattern.
Loki still has his uniqueness like his stealth and him instantly teleporting to someone right behind them with his ult. Also of course most assassins or gods in general will have some form of aoe in order to kill waves, camps and do well in team fights. They be god awful if they didnt have any. Also most assassins dont play that similar from one another too. They may have one or two skills that kinda like another but even then the way they use them is much different than another. Hell theres plenty of assassins tha dont really use skills as their main damage but AA like kali and baka. Overall assassins has alway been similar to mages in that they are made to burst down enemy gods fast like mages. They just do it alot closer since they arent ranged. But again not all assassins rely on skills and not even all mages rely on skills as well like sol and chronos. Also there is no "general pattern" pretty much all gods are unique and have their own play style to them. Obviously there will be some similarities but they are still far from being the same. Hirez simply made loki into a actual viable god now. One that isnt nearly as cheesy and annoying haha.
Unfortunately since Hi-Rez put in the "Time and Effort" to make this rework, we won't be seeing much in the way of changes. All that might happen because of us Loki mains complaining is they try and tweak some numbers. They'll never revert him unless Hi-Rez decides to have a change of character, which is unlikely. They tried, and they failed, and we just have to deal with the hand we've been dealt for the most part I'm afraid.
SavageChewBaka because she’s hard the balance the did this because it drives people who don’t play Loki to try him out and feel like they are helping the team instead of before
Remember when they reworked Odin? People complaining so much that Odin died and that now he is a dumb combo character etc etc basically the stuff you guys say now. After trying the new odin he felt good. I know you don't like that they changed your character, but he had problems. I mean you can't look somene in the eyes and honestly tell them decoy is ok
Apostolos Nikolis yeah but Odin got a different 3 and his ult had a minor change they turned loki from AA cancel tweaker beast into just another assassin kit
@@lil_ursa and they changed the Odin playstyle from frobtline to backline diver(literally) and the point is no matter how people wanted the old Odin, it didn't happen
What is with people's personal beef against Professor Loki? Because he plays Loki in a way perceived as "scummy"??? MOBAs are primarily PvE games, getting kills can help swing the tide a little but objectives win matches. Just because his Loki playstyle favors PvE immensely doesn't make him some scumbag for playing to the character's strengths. It's no more frustrating than going against characters that are actually insanely busted that can, with some coordination, wipe your team effortlessly, and win the game the "normal" way. Whatever the case, lay off the guy, especially when he's presenting simple, factual videos like this that actually help put into perspective what he's saying.
@@caterpillar1936 Of course, but minions are everywhere and you've gotta kill them to win. I don't get why people are so mad about a character with a little PvE bias.
@@DukeofBlasphemy by working together as a team to kill players and push tower until you kill the titan haha. This is a pop not pve. Just cause you kill some minions and campaign once awhile doesnt change that fact haha
The new loki doesn't really auto attack cancel in his full combo. I think New loki could have done more damage if he swapped hydras for a different item
I would just say in reworks defense that it gives you more options on how to approach fights due to the 2. Do you gamble and put it on them? Combo ult? cut off their escape? Stop a chase? Good stuff Dmg should be higher on the 3 because rn its an ability that should be labeled as "sustained dmg" on an in-and-out hit-and-run nut-and-dip assassin which just makes it pretty bad both in 1v1's and teamfight scenarios. good clear at least?
It’s not good stuff, Loki’s intentions weren’t made for that stuff, he was made for single targeting like you said, not using his Ult to start a fight, you only use your ult to escape a death situation like a Hades ult, to finish a low enemy, or a fleeing enemy to stun them, smack if they aren’t dead, I don’t like that they basically made a squishier Ao Kuang, with worse abilities, Duke himself even said that Mages Blessing would be good, and when Mages is good on an Assassin, theyre dead and useless, his 3 is shit, his 2 could be cool, but the way they did it is so fucking shit, his vanish laughing and tracking could be fixed or even flat out removed, and don’t even get me started on that ultimate and the 3, the 3 has no CC immunity, no initial slow to prevent fleeing, and overall, won’t be used very much, and his 4, it’s a single priority assassin with a lower damage, two stage, stunning ability as their ultimate... you see the problem with that too?
@@mirage4023 i def agree on the 3. It's flat out ridiculous to expect the ASSASSIN to stay on target for a whole second or two on a squishy without getting fucked either by them or the frontline. I also agree on the 1 laughing because it allows people to track him better than literally any other character with stealth, allowing you to snipe them no problem. 2 could use a slow to become a consistent ability, but I don't think I agree on the ult- all the instant effect ones require you to get in their face and it was downright the most toxic part of his kit. Still allows you to escape and cripples so they can't just dash away from it, so I think it's fine after rework. Yeah he needs tweaks, a lot of them, but he's on the right path imo
Kajnake oh I agree after enough fixes, he’ll be back to the D tier he was in previously, but with Loki, we didn’t play him to be nice, we played him to fuck with our enemies and be toxic, laugh spamming after a kill is a thing because of us after all
@@mirage4023 that's fair even if kinda rude. I think I'd prefer him to become a half assed assassin rather than a character that's nerfed every single time they show their face from the shadows of casual solo q. I love his style, voice lines and such and I want to play him without becoming a handicapped gremlin
Kajnake Handicapped gremlin, love that I always played Loki because I enjoyed sneaking around, picking off a single enemy, then fading back into the shadows, only emerging again to kill one guy, then dipping again, and I always was a toxic asshole when doing it, laugh spamming and taunting every kill I got, and I’ve made many people rage quit, and yeah, it’s rude, but when I’ve been bullied in SMITE too much, especially by my own teammates because some King Arthur bought Nemean first and I’m forced on the defensive, I start to enjoy the times where I can be toxic and bully other people
Here is the problem I have with the Loki rework. The third ability is shit. Takes too long to use and as a result, easily interruptible. It also takes too long for the damage to come off so anyone you are trying to gank can easily get away. Thirdly, when I see people talk about “iT cAn HiT mUlTiPlE tArGeTs” I just face palm. The area of the attack is too small! At best, it will only hit two enemy gods and that is if you don’t get cc first. Great for clearing jungle farm but is a deadbeat ability that got no real use when it comes to dishing out damage on the squishy target. Here is the thing, he is suppose to be an assassin, as in he is to target the enemy teams main source of damage. Other assassins have kits relies on burst damage like Thanatos. Others relies on auto attacks like bakasura. If Loki is going to have stealth, he should be able to put that stealth to good use. Right now, he isn’t an assassin, his kit is more suited for the solo lane with a bruiser build, rather than in the jungle.
Ultimately, I kinda like his new kit, especially now that the 2 incorporates his lore. I just think the two itself should receive a slight buff. What I have in mind is: 1.) The Blind effect being something that stacks faster as you rank up the ability. 4 ticks at lvl 1&2, 3 ticks at lvl 3&4, 2 ticks at lvl 5. Or 2.) Increasing the length of the status after it's applied. Currently, it seems only to last for a second when the ability finish casting. Fine for lvl 1, but it could at least be tripled by max rank for 3 seconds. I prefer the former. Really seems like the devs want Loki to do all of his fighting inside the 2, and, while I don't think that's necessary, I get the idea of having an Assassin's kit being aimed more at punishing poor positioning rather than just punishing grouping in general like a traditional Mage's instant high dmg burst kit. The 2 is there to make Loki focus down his targets for his dmg. The ability doesn't need to apply a slow, its purpose is simply to mark-Loki can catch up in his 1 and can make use of the fact that he's harder to see even if he's hit during it.
@@mirage4023 That's the thing, though, this Loki can be buffed until he is useful. The old Loki was consistently nerfed because he always played lone rambo proxy. That said, you must have a narrow view of useful if you think blinding an entire team that groups together, stunning multiple targets, and still being able to escape cannot be used in high skill matches where team have to coordinate for their wins.
3 years ago I had already leveled Loki up to lvl 10. Then I quit Smite. When I came back, I'm looking at this pathetic ass that is half the shadow of what it used to be. Why did Hirez even do this. They shouldn't have fixed what isn't broken.
You do realize that old loki was the epitome of a generic af assassin right? Stealth,dmg burst,single target stun,and over reliance on people playing poorly...yeah no,I'd much rather have this loki that can be of use in a teamfight than the old one where he just split pushes and picks off MAYBE one guy.
@@Ro-fw3lcYes hes a true assassin because he specialized in instantly deleteing one squishy target and trying get out. Sure it makes him garbage compared to other assassin that do more in a teamfight but loki was fun to fuck around with. And he was the most unique assassin, gameplay wise. Ao kung is the only god that comes close to old loki gameplay but still not really.
@@nicebuck11 He does delete one squishy in a fight but that still damn near required his entire kit if they built defense. Old loki had 0 team play in a team based game he was either afk farm for 30mins to be relevant in high level games or Split push both play styles were tedious and toxic for the overall team based aspect of the game. You say loki was unique? How he has weak burst compared to gods like susano, Bastet, Thor and more. Loki had one thing unique about him true stealth. His new kit requires a level of skill to use optimally no longer press 2 taunt a wave sit in jungle and wait for it to be up again, no longer is he proxy Phoenix for 10minw because he's useless in lane. I'm sorry that some of your favorite god has gotten changed but with progression of games comes change many gods have gotten changes and has in term made them healthier for the gamesnd with games like smite changing adding new items and gods constantly you can't something as troll and linear as loki to stay the same forever.
@@Ro-fw3lc Bro how could people be bad with old Loki? Like, i was in Conquest with an average 20 kills and 3 to 5 deaths, most of the kills i Made were on team fights. I ocasionaly made Split pushing just to get rid of towers and thats pretty much it. New Loki isn't bad but i feel like his 3 it's too slow and his 2 it's too Easy to avoid since it dosent have slow (unlike the broken Cthulhu) and well his new ult can come in handy sometimes since you can get rid of 2 gods quickly with it if you know how to use it and against ADC gods with no defense at all.
@@mataco7073 it's not the player,it's the character in general that drags the player down in this case. Loki offered nothing to the team outside of MAYBE catching one person off gaurd but even then after his 1 and 3 were applied to the aegis then he had no other option but to run until his invis came back or die. Old loki was bad on the principle that he never did anything outside of split pushing and nuking 1 person until they bought a defense item. After that it was basically wait until full kit was up to attempt to kill the same person with defense now. The old loki was bad and everyone with a decent grasp of the game knew that,new loki can actually be of use outside of killing 1 person.
You’re completely forgetting the cc and area control new decoy has, as well as old decoy almost NEVER hitting anyone. Aimed strike does less SINGLE target but can now hit MULTIPLE targets. The trade off is there, whether YOU like it is debatable. His auto attacks also do more, which means his backstab damage does more. Which also means his hydras proc is significantly stronger. Oh yea.... and his ult can also hit multiple people as well and isn’t really changed to drastically. Basically, Loki is less single target and more team bases. However, his single target damage is still pretty good. And his better cc makes up for his loss in single target damage. Verdict: Loki is NOT BAD. Hes just a little different, I’ll personally enjoy playing him. Im a loki main btw
oh yea and the damage debuff on his 2. Its almost undeniable that Loki is better, and hes much more versatile now. You can build a little bit of defense on him and its completely fine now. As a Loki main, i can REALLY play him in solo and not fuck over my team because i can build hybrid. I love this, I can play him in more areas. i hope some of you other guys come around to new loki. Hes still the same old loki, but things are new and exciting now!
R u dumb? he still slow and actually it's easy to avoid he's flurry even um use your ultimate it's too slow and they can easily cancel u and now they can just see you "invisible" and that sucks dude. Did you see the same video?
Lautaro Augusto Farfán Linares Which he failed at. New Loki can still do that, you can auto attack cancel with your 1 auto 2 auto and use your 3 as they run away (then an extra auto)
João Vitor Fischer Braga Yes i saw the video. Im not saying new loki is amazing but hes better than he was before. And you just aim his flurry its not that fucking hard lmao. I apologize tho i cant really understand what else you’re saying
@@tomioka8405 A tier, he is overhyped though. I know masters or grandmasters who still are ignorant with his design (invis so annoying!) Meaning his tier rating also might come from the lack of experience they have fighting him I like Loki rn.
Any mage or hunter usually wouldnt have more than 2000hp some even less. So what if you do 300 dmg less? You cant possibly test a god in a day and call that it sucks. You gotta let players play the god for a while. And then take info from that.. Let the players figure out how to play the god see where the meta with him is going and then act accordingly. Obviously hirez wants to let loki in spl even. But they're taking their time to balance him. All that ive read on what you think can be adjusted. Its not as if HIrez gonna go well this is it you like it or not it stays like that. I hate seeing anime bois talking about loki as if mom took their tv and now they cant watch anime anymore. Loki is really controversial. Dont jump on conclutions really quickly. Theres more balancing to come.
heybos the balancing you refer to is boosting up his dmg number as much as they can to compensate for the lack luster kit they gave him. and also how many times has hi rez went back on a rework, i maybe be wrong but i’m pretty sure it’s close to none, so hirez will go and just tell any loki player that this is what they’re stuck with and they’re gonna have to have fun with it.
@@tylercarter9965 i'm going to ignore the rest of the comment but hi-rez has reverted god changes more than once. i believe freya is the most recent instance
Your argument with the whole “so what if they nerfed overall dmg by 300” is completely invalid. For assassins it’s crucial to pump out as much dmg as possible because their are things like shell, geb shell, healing, sustain and so many other things in the game that just mitigate and slow down dmg. So yes 300 dmg nerf overall is huge
@@g1ganotosaurus569 Not quite. No Assassin that I know of is supposed to eat through a Geb Shield, Healing is easily counter by Anti Healing, and the many other things that can mitigate dmg is typically found in items that Squishy characters don't build or rely on their teammates to support them with by building. Which brings up an important trait of the Assassin Class: Punishing Poor Positioning. See that Carry and Support standing too far away from each other, attack the Carry. Someone too far up Lane and has a long way to walk if they wish to retreat, Gank. Low HP player sitting in tower, Dive. Not that I'm saying Loki doesn't need a dmg buff, he's just been released, however, If +2k dmg doesn't kill someone you either picked the wrong target or screwed up.
so if you were to run titans bane, its useless in that combo since it procs on the dot from the 2. its prob good for ganks but i think another item would be good instead cause you will lose the passive in too many situations where you want to set up the 2
Yeah old Loki is pve, that is why he thrived in solo. Place a decoy in enemy phoenix and you won. The enemy solo has no minions from that point and beyond, Loki is free to gank, clear buffs and generally do whatever
Here are some ideas to make small changes to the abilities to make them better. Make his 2 do more damage and exponentially do less over time and tick faster but slow down over time like kukulkan 2. If you dip some thing into a liquid, it drips faster and gets slower over time because of less liquid on the item. That way it can do more damage for the amount of time they will be in the 2 and the blind happens faster. Make it so the most a dot damage can hit him and make him appear in his one has a limit of 1 or 2 times so it actually makes him disappear. Make the 3 have immuntiy to knock up, or some small mitigations while casting.
Here’s a better idea for his shut 1: No laugh when he enters, and remove the directional showing of his movement when damaged, making Da Ji bleed and Mystical Mail broken against Loki 2: Slows gods down 50% of their speed, does less damage in return for stacking faster for his behind you, and giving it a true blind (tell me how much you see with poison in your eye) 3: CC immunity, slowing effect for 35% of their speed to prevent just running, increased damage at the cost of 1 slash, making it 4 instead of 5 4: Remove the two stage stunning BS, give it high damage and the temp stun, but reduce to only being able to get a standard attack, no ability cast attack, maybe increase the cool down by 10s so we can’t spam it out The way I see it, the people who think this is a good thing for Loki are the ones who are in low tier matches getting bodied by trash Loki players, and the ones who realize it isn’t as good as they think it is are the higher tier Loki matches, I think the kit is unique and all, but Loki was made to be a genuine assassin, stealth, burst damage, the whole nine yards, missing only an execution on his ultimate, now they made him more like a mage, very akin to a worse Ao Kuang
@@mirage4023 Jesus you would be shit at balancing. What you're asking for here is to make him op, like, downright fucking busted. What other god in the game has an ability that slows for *fifty percent,* let alone a fucking assassin, on TOP of a 35% slow in his 3? You're joking right? On top of THAT, giving him a CC immunity and a full fucking Ra blind... Also, you realise that giving him one less slash is not a downside if you increase the damage to make up for it anyway? That just increases his burst all around. I very much doubt that you're a "high tier player" based on this shit lmao.
i played him all day today and i tried my best to get the full combo as much as possible 1.its very damn hard to do without any interruptions 2.its very very slow 3.the ult can miss and apparently it may have a bug where you can stun a team mate 4.his ult doesn't make you cc immune 5.his 3 is so so bad I can get in a match with somewhat favorable games ( keep in mind i am a joust and arena player) around 7 kills with him on joust and around 11 maybe 12 on arena with a average of deaths of 6 ... old loki would give me 10 kills on a joust and 16/18 maybe more kills on arena with a average of 2 maybe 3 deaths and sometimes just 1 death all game pro for new loki is that you can .. or better said you could deal with multiple enemies at one time and i got more doubles and triples with him in one match that in maybe a month of playing him with old kit but old loki was a much better nuker or cleaner while this one doesn't promise you either of those things . Personally i would give him his old first ability back since there are already other invisible gods and nobody bitches about them so either make them like him or him like them ,keep the 2 as is but give it a slow ,give him his old 3 so he can autocancel but also make it that i can hit with the range of the new one including multiple targets and as for the ult there should also be something between his old and new one ... i would say give him his old ultimate but with a slow for the lading and a stun for the aoe or vice versa
Honestly I think this kit could be extremely good if they did 3 things: 1) Decrease the amount of time it takes for the 2 to apply blind so loki can use the rest of his kit effectively, especially since right now most enemies can walk out of it before it applies the status. 2) Either increase the damage done by each swing in flurry strikes or decrease the amount of time loki channels the ability, because right now the clear and damage isnt enough to make it valuable even with the last hit slowing. 3) Either slightly increase the stun duration of his ultimate, allow the initial teleport to lock onto a target like it did before, or both, helping loki to be able to secure kills and get his valuable new ape stun off in a team fight while ensuring it gets some value. Any thoughts?
Personally I think they should only change the 2 and ultimate. Just because of the fact that so many things are gonna counter him and make him unenjoyable to play.
@Baba Yaga exactly just change the 2 and ultimate as I literally said and there was no need to be toxic towards loki players when there are items to counter him, there just isn't any smart players to actually build the items
Maybe they could make the 2 increase damage taken as well as or instead of reducing damage done. Would make consecutive ticks on a wave have way better clear and make it more useful against players even when they run out without just making it do crazy damage by itself
Why? So you can run up to a wave, press 2, and then leave without anyone knowing you were there? The point of the new 2 is to expand your passive and increase the burst potential throughout your kit, you just actually have to commit to a target and engage. What 2 needs is just to decrease the ticks needed to activate Blind
@@sakuragi9467 No. It's bullshit in a game based on team fighting, because it encourages a character to never engage the enemy team. Worst, it's a substitute for the general role of Solo Lane which is generally to sustain and counter your opposition while later on becoming one of the front liners of your team. What's wrong with making players participate in team fights in a game that requires team work? The commitment to a target will get you kills if you play your cards and design your build right. You being bad at team fights and not knowing how to invade will get you killed. Hell, the new ult comes with a stun that can hit multiple targets. Grab Rune Forge Hammer, Mantle of Discord, and Asi because that is going to be some consistent CC you'll drop on the enemy team even as you drop in the red. Tell you what, if the 2-decoy or vision-had the power to kill a wave at the cost of always showing as an icon on the map-regardless of whether or not Loki is invisible-so long as it interacting with something that gave the enemy vision, would that completely destroy the character? If the answer is yes, the problem isn't Loki, it's the players who pigeon whole him into an incredibly stupid niche.
People cant have possibly have enjoyed playing the old loki, its literally just pve, I play solo a lot but have never played loki solo cuz it looks like shit, at least now lokis will be able to help the team instead of just pveing
Thanks for explaining your ignorance, now for the truth. I know many people who got to masters rank playing Loki solo, Loki CAN team fight and even burst tanks down relatively easily. A good Loki is just as much a part of the team fight as anyone else, I'm sorry that a 12 year old on your team was playing Loki but don't think every Loki is bad just because you saw a few people who didn't know how to play him. Loki solo is very good, I get at least 2 kills within the first 3 minutes with Loki, I went 24/6 yesterday with Loki, and we all find playing Loki extremely fun, this nerf has deleted Loki, he's not Loki anymore and now he should not be played under any circumstances, he's lower than trash tier, he's unplayable tier, his pick rate will become 0% after people realize how bad he is, if I see someone still trying to main Loki unironically after this then their ignorance knows no bounds. You don't know anything, you even stated it yourself with this comment, I don't want to see your ignorant ass even thinking about replying take your L just like you do every game in smite. Honestly how can someone dare have the nerve to tell a Diamond Masters rank Loki that his solo is bad.
@@sakuragi9467 the only times i have ever gotten beaten in lane by a loki solo was either when i had just started or they got babysat by their jungler, loki players are almost always easy to predict and rely on the other solos stupidity, I have no doubt that there is skill needed to play him well but you could pick a much more useful god that would help your team
Why are we complaining about a God that could Instakill a squishy from stealth without even ulting that shit was dumb and obviously overly frustrating for newer players for years, this is good. Adapt, learn new ways to play the God or dont play it at all 99% of the community dosent give a f anyway
It's not always about straight damage it's about how you use the kit. Sure there are pros and cons to each version of Loki but this new version is meant to be played a different style imo. Weak3n says he's even better on his stream last night.
in a team fight stance he is a little better cuz his ult gives a slight aoe stun and his 2 does 2 ticks of dmg in a team fight, but that’s destroying the identity of the champion. isn’t a rework supposed to keep the core ideas and just update them to keep them relevant in the ever changing land of new abilities and properties? this wasn’t a true rework but more like a solution to a lot of complaining from people never buying armor items.
Wait, had one thing worng in the last comparisson. The life of fenrir was endded before last hit of flurry strike. Is this why computed less dmg than other kit.
New Vanish deal more damage (because of 1x AA) but you have written 1053 for both of them. Btw people complain about nobody will stay 2sec in new decoy to get blinded. But none of you think, with old decoy Loki can't even deal damage without his ult combo, and old decoy doesn't have any cc, any enemy debuff, less damage, smaller area, an ability only for split pushing and farming. I only agree that new 3 isn't good ability, yes it has good damage but easy to interrupt, dodge. And i think (at least hope) they're gonna fix it and make more useful.
I think he calculated just the damage of the skill, without applying the aa damage. Btw the old 2 could let you tower dive better, absorb basic attacks from hunters especially or body block the enemy god that's running away from you, the new one doesn't, and I don't care about that mediocre CC (let's be real, it's not a serq's 2 or susano's 2) that could POSSIBLY blind (it's even worse than ra's blind lol), I only care about killing my target and get out immediatly, the faster the better and for that same reason, the new 3 and 4 are bad aswell, they're too slow and clunky. Let's be real, this is a nerf on all 4 his abilities. Last but not least, I loved to play against old loki, it required skill to catch him while invis, it was so satisfying, now it would be too easy and boring, that's just because hi rez only listened to bad players complaints and didn't even care about their own creation, what a failure of a company.
This is great tbh,love the new kit. Now loki players get punished for trying to cheese and can actually be countered outside of shell,aegis,and beads. Gotta say,hi rez really outdid themselves with this rework. Separating the good lokis from the trash cans.
Adam Taurus6659 but this kit creates no good loki’s... all of the outplay and fun is stripped from this character, and from both parties. now loki is just a little bit faster goon that you can see and not have to worry about being punished for playing alone anymore.
@@tylercarter9965 The old loki never had a hint of outplay unless you count decoy body blocks,a instantaneous stealth and a instantaneous teleport that does high damage ontop of a stun was cheap as it could get. Now you actually need to think things out and devise ways to assist your team with the blind or build a defensive item and use the stun aggressively. I truly didn't think the changes wouldn't be so drastic but they're really gonna make him better,I do feel his animation on his stun can be a bit faster so he can use the time and think 3 ticks of the 2 should be enough to get the blind effect going but overall he'll be in a much better spot than before where he was always at the bottom of every tier list ever.
I personally hate it xD possibly the worst rework since freya. The abilities make no sense, he relies on flurry to slow and keep enemies in his new decoy but if you interrupt flurry, he has literally has nothing, a sitting duck, and now you san even see him in stealth. Love how they said that damage mitigation on his stealth way back when he had it was too much and they added basically the same thing again. If the solo has an on demand stun- don’t even bother ganking.
Also he cant split push effectively anymore. They made his whole kit slower and try to compensate by making him more AoE, but he just ends up a master of nothing. This change feels like a straight nerf. I think there was deffo a problem with needing 2 relics to live a loki ult but this wasnt the way to fix him.
He can’t split push anymore? Oh no! It’s almost like now people have to play the game in a less infuriating way to their team and enemy team. Now people have to play the game, so sad. :(
@@lnberyllium9958 you realize that loki has to splitpush cause in a 5v5, his team is in a disadvantage, so loki splitpushes to force their solo to rotate to get an even fight for his team. If loki had better options to disengage we would teamfight. With this rework there is still no purpose to fight and not just pick their mage when he gets low. Dont blame the player if they play their god in the only possible way he is playable and counter it if you know he does this, faceroll his team in a 4v5. If you cant you deserve to loose, easy as that.
majorshepard2 majorshepard2 he’s an assassin, not many other assassins can disengage that well either. He has way better ways to disengage than a lot of people, he has his vanish and his ult. Invisibility and teleport. Plus now he has 3 aoe abilities to use in team fights that deal the same damage as they did before the rework. If you are split pushing and get ganked what do you do? You ult away and invis. That’s what you can do in a team fight if you get low. If you know how to position and how to save abilities for a getaway. He is actually a strong team fight character now with his 2 having such a big range. His 2 does good damage, blinds, and lowers their damage output. His 3 does damage in a cone in front of him and slows on final hit. His ult cripples the guy he teleports on and does a stunning attack in front of him after. If you know how to use these effectively then you can team fight. I’ve played Loki before and I know for a fact, if played right. He could even help team fight before the rework if you just go on their back line and pick them off while the enemy team focuses on your teams frontline. If they turn around to fight you then you invis or ult away, what ever one you didn’t use to engage and let your team hit them from behind while you switch targets
@@lnberyllium9958 and thats what i said your only helping a teamfight if you instagib their mage or adc and thats not going to change. He has ways to get away thats true but he trades his whole value for it not like daji, tsuku, batz,thor and others. That have way better teamfight. Every top pick doesnt even need to ult out cause they have relliable escapes as abilitys that they dont need to use in a fight cause their dmg is so bloated. He lost his identity and nobody will play him competetively cause he has no purpose. Its the same with anubis and others. Why play anubis when you can play merlin or poseidon, why play loki if you can play nem, thor, merc and such?
@Gavin Spears rellying on an enemie being dumb enough to stand in an aoe for 2 seconds is not a relliable way to proc your passive i would say. Its a relliable way to tell if your enemie has brain damage
Gavin Spears yeah he’s so much better for team fighting idk why people are so upset. Just make the 3 deal the damage faster and more efficiently and I think he’ll be pretty good
@@gravitygod9569 exactly this. He will do the same shit as before, cause thats what he is supposed to do even with his new kit. If they want a teamfight jungler then they should pick batz or susano.
@@InfernalLeo777 this is 1 year ago I feel like you didn’t need to respond but I now have a harder time playing Loki now than older Loki because taking one person is easier than trying to take more on
@@jodyboles8208 dude whats point him now when his abbilites are worst then before its not fun at all to play him i tried on pts its not fun and im quiting smite
@@Noobmaster-gw2fb haha hes actually way more fun now and his damage over is better. Just alittle lower cause you can aa cancel. Also bye! Less trolly players the better haha
Honestly he feels like a real character and one that isnt nearly as annoying and cheesy which is great. He will probably get some buffs but overall the kit fine. He works alot better in team fights now. He has more counter play as well so he isnt super safe all the time while also being able to zone areas out with his 2. It also let's him box and fight god better rather than just run and hide all the time and actually contribute to the team. Thank god they got rid of his split push as well. Now people actually have to know how to play to make the most out of him instead of being a trolly pub stomp god haha.
I came over here to see how you felt about the rework, but man was this by far the worst way you could've done it. I'm not trying to be hostile, but this is very flawed and can't even be considered credible. What a shame
@@Sniper0502 So, assuming damage is the only thing that we're looking at here (which it should NOT be, but because the video does, I can for a second), two ways present a more fair presentation of what each kit can do: 1. Don't have any items. Looking at base damage at lvl 20, plus the autos you can sneak in mid combos can definitely make the comparison less biased and give the watcher more perspective. or 2. Don't have the same build on both Lokis... it doesn't make any sense. These two versions of Loki are almost completely different. Prof L knows the optimal build for old Loki; it'd be fine to use it for the comparison. But to put the same exact build on a Loki that just doesn't work with the items is definitely biased. I would have encouraged him to find what he thinks to be the best items for the new Loki. It's just plain obvious that the Titan's Bane proc on the new 2 is significantly weaker than it would be on the old Loki 3. It's also very obvious that not nearly as many Hydra's Lament procs can go off... so replace those items with literally anything else because it'll only hurt to build them. Throw in an Arondight or Crusher... literally anything but those two items.
Weaken was saying u were racist cause u didn’t support blm i didn’t either so i have to back it’s like these people need to get a brain but keep up the grind
TRIꕔNGLE because the Democratic Party tryna take over and are making lies about they care about black lives if they really cared they would tell the black woman who are getting abortions to stop cause 14% of blacks are in America and 36% of them get abortions
Leoni Gomes it’s literally the same tho. Mystical procks every second so he isn’t visible the entire time since his 1 shows for 0.3 seconds. The numbers remain over the head tho pretty much the whole time as he walks around. It’s basically the same. A decent player doesn’t need the visual with mystical.
@@gravitygod9569 bro if decoy was detonating at will he would be at even better spot in solo lane and the proxy would start at level 1. How can you guys be so blind about it?
yeah but now he is decent at tfing, imagine ulting and stuning a whole team and vanishing out and the old loki`s combo is mostly aa reset and you didnt even tried replicating it on the new kit
@@majorshepard2 "Decent at teamfighting." Do you hear these people, this is worst than deleting Loki, now he should never be played under any circumstances.
@@sakuragi9467 if you pick loki after this rework you should get kicked and banned from smite and thats comming from a loki and zeus twotrick. Its so bad that the rework could be a meme from hirez. If it was april i would thought they fool us
i literally HATE old loki, hes frustating to play against since theres only one counter for him (shell), this Loki is way more fun than old Loki, he has more utility now, its hard to get the blind in a 1v1 but easy to get the blind on a teamfight, AOE stun really helps, you'll probably get 2+ stuns in a teamfight most of the time, i only think that the Flurry Strike should have a knockup immunity (maybe knockback too), and thats it, the damage is great, but theres counters to it, hes fun to play and hes actually an assassin now, can still be played in solo, but as a tank/hydrib Loki, and can he actually jungle, i LOVE new Loki, im actually a Loki main now lol
He does less damage and does damage slower its a nerf. Lol also in a perfect world you aren’t hitting all of the flurry strikes. They need to buff the decoy and flurry strike massively or else he is worse than before
Loki has way too many counters lol.Arondight make you see him from invisible,rajin 2,Heim 1 Yemoja ult,Cama 1,amc bees,cernobog ult,Shell upgrade,hide of nemean,Mantle of discord,thorns,Aegis,beads,winged blade magis.And i said just a few he’s by far one of the easiest god to counter.
WatchOut lmao “he’s actually an assassin now.” what can i even say about this comment... you give a champion more aoe and locking him in a fight because of his new abilities and he’s more like an assassin? isn’t that the exact opposite of an assassin? loki was the pure description of an assassin. invis, attack steroid, target jump, and some sort of wave clear that doesn’t work in a team fight to make sure he can’t burst your squishies and blow up the entire enemy team.
Boycott Loki!! When he isn't picked at all they'll know what we think and revert it as a failed rework. I don't even play Loki but they're destroying his "personality", and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. BM the regular Loki even, tell new players not to pick him in tutorials, whatever, but these mini-reworks to old Gods are stripping them of what flavor they had, flaws and all.
Hahaha they arent reverting anything. They will just buff the current kit which is better and far less annoying and cheesy. The "personality" you like to call it before was god awful and thankfully it's gone forever haha.
Remember when people would do the same thing for the odin rework? Yeah........... See how odin went back to having his first kit...... Just deal with it
The main reason why the old kit does more dmg is because of auto canceling. The rework Loki struggles auto canceling with the new decoy and his new flurry. I'm sure if I added 4 auto-attack cancels to the reworked Loki with his 1x progression vs .75x, the new rework would win easily. The problem is that it's unrealistic. Also, keep in mind that even if the new rework does more dmg, it is considerably much slower to apply dmg. The old kit could dumb 2,700 dmg in less than 2s, where you would need 2s for flurry to deal 800 dmg...
My thoughts on the rework:
-Vanish: Very frustrating to deal with since anyone can see me now and my direction. Before it was just numbers in the air but now you can see which direction im facing which is a huge clue to my pathing. Loki now laughs so his ability to sneak up to someone is very limited therefore defeating the purpose of "stealth."
-Decoy: I don't even bother lvling this ability in the jungle. The dmg is 264 + 80% in dots. Very low dmg and doesnt have a slow to keep people in there long enough for the blind/debuff, and ulting the target into the decoy is not worth it at all.
-Flurry: Okay this is the worst one in his kit for many reasons. The first is that it takes too long to fully cast. It doesn't slow immediately and therefore very easy to outrun. It doesn't provide any form of cc immunity so it can be easily interruptible. The transition from vanish auto attack to flurry is very awkward and feels clunky and not smooth. The dmg is low (415 + 125%) and does less dmg than the old aimed strike (keep in mind that the aimed strike deals 220 + 100% but you have to also add the auto attack + Hydra proc that follows with his aimed strike, so in reality, it's more like 220 + 100% + auto attack).
-Ultimate: This ability doesn't always put you behind your target since the enemy can still move and turn around. It also has horrible synergy with his Flurry attack since the stun technically only lasts .25s since his animations take up the stun duration. The ability also feels very slow.
In my opinion, I could tolerate the vanish, decoy, and ultimate change if they keep Loki's "Aimed Strike" ability. The flurry doesn't flow right and is inconsistent.
@Ryan Telly he was never viable in solo lane..he was used in solo lane but it's wasn't viable ever. and why are u asking? Just don't pick the character. He is not loki anymore
What a shame. Everything about this takes away the point of playing Loki. He was fine for so many years, just being that one pick you had to be scared of if the Loki was any good, now it won't matter. What a sad end for the King of spam laughing.
Well every character who goes stealthed can get ripped out of it so eh, Loki had it comming.
So, I heard they nerfed loki again... Would be interesting to see how the new 3 and 4 play out against a moving player to see how much damage you can REALLY apply with the new kit, how easy are they to dodge and how effective are beads and aegis now...
Also, didn't Ajax say to you that they were going to keep the 2 as an obstacle for enemy gods so they could get body blocked and protect you from hunter basic attacks? also, I heard i'ts not a pet anymore, so it won't even get aggro from towers anymore... so we can't tower dive effectively anymore
Raudhr it’s no nerf what so ever his team fight is 100x better and his jungle clear is 100x better, his 3 needs a little buff maybe since it is a long wind up time and maybe his 2 needs to apply the blind on 3 hits instead of 4 but overall he’s so much better and I’m pretty sure that’s just objective
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Oops, on the vanish dmg for the new Loki, he does 106 more dmg than the old thanks to his auto revert. So the new Loki with vanish deals a total of 1,159. It should be the only mistake.
If this gets all the shitty Loki mains out the game then good. I’m going to love playing the new Loki and his old kit was toxic and no skill. In order for him to be viable you need to play like a total ass and run away from everything while split pushing. At least this new Loki can stun and blind multiple people in a fight despite his 3 being kinda crap.
You’re below silver huh? Because if those are the Loki’s you’re facing, you’re clearly not very good at the game
Minato Namikaze your joking right?? Loki at high end play literally can’t team fight. That’s why he split pushes and runs away. What god awful bronzy elo are you in where Loki is team fighting and able to actually get a pick and not split push. Your IQ dropped as you said this statement didn’t it?
Twin Blade Volt first off, I’m platinum rank smartass, I’m not the best, but I’m not garbage either, secondly, in most low ranked matches I’ve seen, the Loki used his Ultimate to start an engagement, not to end it,
@@mirage4023 you said plat like it was better lmao
@@twinbladevolt8679 and that is why they reworked him, you say it like it is a bad thing. Now he can teamfight and the problem that everybody had was decoy, which is gone
This is even worse than deleting the God
shame on lowrez
this is a new low
Yeah, teasing you with the memories of when he was actually a god you enjoyed playing.
Lmao exactly
*If you think this is not a nerf you actually have problems.*
Eh at least he isnt nearly as annoying and cheesy. He can always be buff if needed
I think it's a trade for some buffs. Example: Not only can you still use the ult to escape and focus down a single target, now you can stun multiple enemies. I can jump Enemy A and then stun both them and their allies that try to help them before finishing Enemy A off. Hell, I can still stun Enemy A even if I missed the stab. I can lock down several squishes or low hp targets.
But yes, stopping Loki from proxy cheese is a well deserved nerf
@@bigmoe9856 If you want to go 0/10 every game be my guest.
@@sakuragi9467 If you think that's as far Loki will, keep thinking it.
So less damage overall and takes 2x longer to get off a combo. Lit.
Instead gets good jungle clear, better chase potential, teamfighting potential with a 3s blind and a huge aoe stun. Ill take that
B. K. Lmao everything you just said was wrong
@@amaterasu9048 Go play old loki and comeback to delete that comment
@@gravitygod9569 play new loki then come back to delete that comment lmao
Isaiah Morris its definitely not wrong, does old loki have an aoe stun? No. Does he have jungle clear? No. Does he have any range for better chase potential? No. Does he have teamfight potential? Also NO.
Ah Loki... My old main. Since the rework I quited this game. He was my main...
casual players are lazy to understand the uniqueness of loki and learn how to play against him and then call him annoying and the more active players call him bad and easy to counter , so i understand the concern that hirez have.
but they are killing the uniqquiness of the characters , every new god that came out have aoe damage and generally play all the same
even the assassins it is like they are all mages but with physical damage (pelle is a good example). Hirez is trying to put all of them in a general pattern.
Loki still has his uniqueness like his stealth and him instantly teleporting to someone right behind them with his ult. Also of course most assassins or gods in general will have some form of aoe in order to kill waves, camps and do well in team fights. They be god awful if they didnt have any. Also most assassins dont play that similar from one another too. They may have one or two skills that kinda like another but even then the way they use them is much different than another. Hell theres plenty of assassins tha dont really use skills as their main damage but AA like kali and baka.
Overall assassins has alway been similar to mages in that they are made to burst down enemy gods fast like mages. They just do it alot closer since they arent ranged. But again not all assassins rely on skills and not even all mages rely on skills as well like sol and chronos.
Also there is no "general pattern" pretty much all gods are unique and have their own play style to them. Obviously there will be some similarities but they are still far from being the same. Hirez simply made loki into a actual viable god now. One that isnt nearly as cheesy and annoying haha.
Unfortunately since Hi-Rez put in the "Time and Effort" to make this rework, we won't be seeing much in the way of changes. All that might happen because of us Loki mains complaining is they try and tweak some numbers. They'll never revert him unless Hi-Rez decides to have a change of character, which is unlikely. They tried, and they failed, and we just have to deal with the hand we've been dealt for the most part I'm afraid.
They reverted Freya
SavageChewBaka because she’s hard the balance the did this because it drives people who don’t play Loki to try him out and feel like they are helping the team instead of before
Remember when they reworked Odin? People complaining so much that Odin died and that now he is a dumb combo character etc etc basically the stuff you guys say now. After trying the new odin he felt good. I know you don't like that they changed your character, but he had problems. I mean you can't look somene in the eyes and honestly tell them decoy is ok
Apostolos Nikolis yeah but Odin got a different 3 and his ult had a minor change they turned loki from AA cancel tweaker beast into just another assassin kit
@@lil_ursa and they changed the Odin playstyle from frobtline to backline diver(literally) and the point is no matter how people wanted the old Odin, it didn't happen
What is with people's personal beef against Professor Loki? Because he plays Loki in a way perceived as "scummy"??? MOBAs are primarily PvE games, getting kills can help swing the tide a little but objectives win matches. Just because his Loki playstyle favors PvE immensely doesn't make him some scumbag for playing to the character's strengths. It's no more frustrating than going against characters that are actually insanely busted that can, with some coordination, wipe your team effortlessly, and win the game the "normal" way. Whatever the case, lay off the guy, especially when he's presenting simple, factual videos like this that actually help put into perspective what he's saying.
A online multiplayer team game that's primary pve game? Hahahahaha
@@jodyboles8208 How do you win then? By killing the enemy 20 times or the titan?
@@caterpillar1936 Of course, but minions are everywhere and you've gotta kill them to win. I don't get why people are so mad about a character with a little PvE bias.
@@DukeofBlasphemy by working together as a team to kill players and push tower until you kill the titan haha. This is a pop not pve. Just cause you kill some minions and campaign once awhile doesnt change that fact haha
The new loki doesn't really auto attack cancel in his full combo. I think New loki could have done more damage if he swapped hydras for a different item
I would just say in reworks defense that it gives you more options on how to approach fights due to the 2. Do you gamble and put it on them? Combo ult? cut off their escape? Stop a chase? Good stuff
Dmg should be higher on the 3 because rn its an ability that should be labeled as "sustained dmg" on an in-and-out hit-and-run nut-and-dip assassin which just makes it pretty bad both in 1v1's and teamfight scenarios.
good clear at least?
It’s not good stuff, Loki’s intentions weren’t made for that stuff, he was made for single targeting like you said, not using his Ult to start a fight, you only use your ult to escape a death situation like a Hades ult, to finish a low enemy, or a fleeing enemy to stun them, smack if they aren’t dead, I don’t like that they basically made a squishier Ao Kuang, with worse abilities, Duke himself even said that Mages Blessing would be good, and when Mages is good on an Assassin, theyre dead and useless, his 3 is shit, his 2 could be cool, but the way they did it is so fucking shit, his vanish laughing and tracking could be fixed or even flat out removed, and don’t even get me started on that ultimate and the 3, the 3 has no CC immunity, no initial slow to prevent fleeing, and overall, won’t be used very much, and his 4, it’s a single priority assassin with a lower damage, two stage, stunning ability as their ultimate... you see the problem with that too?
@@mirage4023 i def agree on the 3. It's flat out ridiculous to expect the ASSASSIN to stay on target for a whole second or two on a squishy without getting fucked either by them or the frontline. I also agree on the 1 laughing because it allows people to track him better than literally any other character with stealth, allowing you to snipe them no problem. 2 could use a slow to become a consistent ability, but I don't think I agree on the ult- all the instant effect ones require you to get in their face and it was downright the most toxic part of his kit. Still allows you to escape and cripples so they can't just dash away from it, so I think it's fine after rework. Yeah he needs tweaks, a lot of them, but he's on the right path imo
Kajnake oh I agree after enough fixes, he’ll be back to the D tier he was in previously, but with Loki, we didn’t play him to be nice, we played him to fuck with our enemies and be toxic, laugh spamming after a kill is a thing because of us after all
@@mirage4023 that's fair even if kinda rude. I think I'd prefer him to become a half assed assassin rather than a character that's nerfed every single time they show their face from the shadows of casual solo q. I love his style, voice lines and such and I want to play him without becoming a handicapped gremlin
Kajnake Handicapped gremlin, love that
I always played Loki because I enjoyed sneaking around, picking off a single enemy, then fading back into the shadows, only emerging again to kill one guy, then dipping again, and I always was a toxic asshole when doing it, laugh spamming and taunting every kill I got, and I’ve made many people rage quit, and yeah, it’s rude, but when I’ve been bullied in SMITE too much, especially by my own teammates because some King Arthur bought Nemean first and I’m forced on the defensive, I start to enjoy the times where I can be toxic and bully other people
If they made the 2 aa cancel faster I'd be ok with it all
But they really need to buff the damage on the 2 and 3; it kinda sucks atm
Here is the problem I have with the Loki rework. The third ability is shit. Takes too long to use and as a result, easily interruptible. It also takes too long for the damage to come off so anyone you are trying to gank can easily get away. Thirdly, when I see people talk about “iT cAn HiT mUlTiPlE tArGeTs” I just face palm. The area of the attack is too small! At best, it will only hit two enemy gods and that is if you don’t get cc first. Great for clearing jungle farm but is a deadbeat ability that got no real use when it comes to dishing out damage on the squishy target. Here is the thing, he is suppose to be an assassin, as in he is to target the enemy teams main source of damage. Other assassins have kits relies on burst damage like Thanatos. Others relies on auto attacks like bakasura. If Loki is going to have stealth, he should be able to put that stealth to good use. Right now, he isn’t an assassin, his kit is more suited for the solo lane with a bruiser build, rather than in the jungle.
He needs to get the same buff that they did with Thor's 3. Make it 3 hits and the last heavy hit
This change is awesome. Now loki players will actually have to learn how to play smite
no
@@greglutrzykowski6746 yes! Or you can leave or lose alot instead Haha
Bruh what tf are you even saying. Complete nonsense
Can't wait for the same thing on anubis
Ultimately, I kinda like his new kit, especially now that the 2 incorporates his lore. I just think the two itself should receive a slight buff. What I have in mind is:
1.) The Blind effect being something that stacks faster as you rank up the ability. 4 ticks at lvl 1&2, 3 ticks at lvl 3&4, 2 ticks at lvl 5.
Or
2.) Increasing the length of the status after it's applied. Currently, it seems only to last for a second when the ability finish casting. Fine for lvl 1, but it could at least be tripled by max rank for 3 seconds.
I prefer the former. Really seems like the devs want Loki to do all of his fighting inside the 2, and, while I don't think that's necessary, I get the idea of having an Assassin's kit being aimed more at punishing poor positioning rather than just punishing grouping in general like a traditional Mage's instant high dmg burst kit. The 2 is there to make Loki focus down his targets for his dmg. The ability doesn't need to apply a slow, its purpose is simply to mark-Loki can catch up in his 1 and can make use of the fact that he's harder to see even if he's hit during it.
You must not play in high skill matches if you think this Loki will do anything of use
@@mirage4023 That's the thing, though, this Loki can be buffed until he is useful. The old Loki was consistently nerfed because he always played lone rambo proxy.
That said, you must have a narrow view of useful if you think blinding an entire team that groups together, stunning multiple targets, and still being able to escape cannot be used in high skill matches where team have to coordinate for their wins.
3 years ago I had already leveled Loki up to lvl 10. Then I quit Smite. When I came back, I'm looking at this pathetic ass that is half the shadow of what it used to be.
Why did Hirez even do this. They shouldn't have fixed what isn't broken.
Lmao
A op god made weaker and made to look more flashy
Now instead of being the one and only Loki they made him a generic assassin and a trash one at that
You do realize that old loki was the epitome of a generic af assassin right? Stealth,dmg burst,single target stun,and over reliance on people playing poorly...yeah no,I'd much rather have this loki that can be of use in a teamfight than the old one where he just split pushes and picks off MAYBE one guy.
@@Ro-fw3lcYes hes a true assassin because he specialized in instantly deleteing one squishy target and trying get out. Sure it makes him garbage compared to other assassin that do more in a teamfight but loki was fun to fuck around with. And he was the most unique assassin, gameplay wise. Ao kung is the only god that comes close to old loki gameplay but still not really.
@@nicebuck11 He does delete one squishy in a fight but that still damn near required his entire kit if they built defense. Old loki had 0 team play in a team based game he was either afk farm for 30mins to be relevant in high level games or Split push both play styles were tedious and toxic for the overall team based aspect of the game. You say loki was unique? How he has weak burst compared to gods like susano, Bastet, Thor and more. Loki had one thing unique about him true stealth. His new kit requires a level of skill to use optimally no longer press 2 taunt a wave sit in jungle and wait for it to be up again, no longer is he proxy Phoenix for 10minw because he's useless in lane. I'm sorry that some of your favorite god has gotten changed but with progression of games comes change many gods have gotten changes and has in term made them healthier for the gamesnd with games like smite changing adding new items and gods constantly you can't something as troll and linear as loki to stay the same forever.
@@Ro-fw3lc Bro how could people be bad with old Loki? Like, i was in Conquest with an average 20 kills and 3 to 5 deaths, most of the kills i Made were on team fights. I ocasionaly made Split pushing just to get rid of towers and thats pretty much it. New Loki isn't bad but i feel like his 3 it's too slow and his 2 it's too Easy to avoid since it dosent have slow (unlike the broken Cthulhu) and well his new ult can come in handy sometimes since you can get rid of 2 gods quickly with it if you know how to use it and against ADC gods with no defense at all.
@@mataco7073 it's not the player,it's the character in general that drags the player down in this case. Loki offered nothing to the team outside of MAYBE catching one person off gaurd but even then after his 1 and 3 were applied to the aegis then he had no other option but to run until his invis came back or die. Old loki was bad on the principle that he never did anything outside of split pushing and nuking 1 person until they bought a defense item. After that it was basically wait until full kit was up to attempt to kill the same person with defense now.
The old loki was bad and everyone with a decent grasp of the game knew that,new loki can actually be of use outside of killing 1 person.
loki is finally dead rip
Don’t worry they can still tweak it, it’s just pts too early to say if he’s good or not.
It’s funny because he’s not dead now cause of this rework
What do you mean finally? Its been the worst god in the game for 1 year ar least
@@chito6724 Yes, now don't even bother playing Loki, he's not only worst god in the game but should never be played in any gamemode.
@@sakuragi9467 Literally better kit for jungle, where he was meant to be played, better teamfighting but ok.
You’re completely forgetting the cc and area control new decoy has, as well as old decoy almost NEVER hitting anyone.
Aimed strike does less SINGLE target but can now hit MULTIPLE targets. The trade off is there, whether YOU like it is debatable.
His auto attacks also do more, which means his backstab damage does more. Which also means his hydras proc is significantly stronger.
Oh yea.... and his ult can also hit multiple people as well and isn’t really changed to drastically.
Basically, Loki is less single target and more team bases. However, his single target damage is still pretty good. And his better cc makes up for his loss in single target damage.
Verdict: Loki is NOT BAD. Hes just a little different, I’ll personally enjoy playing him. Im a loki main btw
oh yea and the damage debuff on his 2. Its almost undeniable that Loki is better, and hes much more versatile now. You can build a little bit of defense on him and its completely fine now. As a Loki main, i can REALLY play him in solo and not fuck over my team because i can build hybrid.
I love this, I can play him in more areas. i hope some of you other guys come around to new loki. Hes still the same old loki, but things are new and exciting now!
R u dumb? he still slow and actually it's easy to avoid he's flurry even um use your ultimate it's too slow and they can easily cancel u and now they can just see you "invisible" and that sucks dude. Did you see the same video?
@@demifolk8940 the point of Loki was hit and run not team fight
Lautaro Augusto Farfán Linares Which he failed at. New Loki can still do that, you can auto attack cancel with your 1 auto 2 auto and use your 3 as they run away (then an extra auto)
João Vitor Fischer Braga Yes i saw the video. Im not saying new loki is amazing but hes better than he was before. And you just aim his flurry its not that fucking hard lmao. I apologize tho i cant really understand what else you’re saying
Well there goes Loki, you were really one of the best Loki's ever. Pretty sure you'll still be good with new one.
I remember writing this on the night Loki was changed and saw the servers shut down for the new update. Wow
@@InfernalLeo777 what’s your opinion on loki right now?
@@tomioka8405 A tier, he is overhyped though. I know masters or grandmasters who still are ignorant with his design (invis so annoying!) Meaning his tier rating also might come from the lack of experience they have fighting him
I like Loki rn.
@@tomioka8405 naw hes ass now.
@@InfernalLeo777 really? I think he’s alright atm, crit and pen work on him and spectral is getting nerfed.
Any mage or hunter usually wouldnt have more than 2000hp some even less. So what if you do 300 dmg less? You cant possibly test a god in a day and call that it sucks. You gotta let players play the god for a while. And then take info from that.. Let the players figure out how to play the god see where the meta with him is going and then act accordingly. Obviously hirez wants to let loki in spl even. But they're taking their time to balance him. All that ive read on what you think can be adjusted. Its not as if HIrez gonna go well this is it you like it or not it stays like that. I hate seeing anime bois talking about loki as if mom took their tv and now they cant watch anime anymore. Loki is really controversial. Dont jump on conclutions really quickly. Theres more balancing to come.
heybos the balancing you refer to is boosting up his dmg number as much as they can to compensate for the lack luster kit they gave him. and also how many times has hi rez went back on a rework, i maybe be wrong but i’m pretty sure it’s close to none, so hirez will go and just tell any loki player that this is what they’re stuck with and they’re gonna have to have fun with it.
@@tylercarter9965 i'm going to ignore the rest of the comment but hi-rez has reverted god changes more than once. i believe freya is the most recent instance
Your argument with the whole “so what if they nerfed overall dmg by 300” is completely invalid. For assassins it’s crucial to pump out as much dmg as possible because their are things like shell, geb shell, healing, sustain and so many other things in the game that just mitigate and slow down dmg. So yes 300 dmg nerf overall is huge
@@g1ganotosaurus569 Not quite. No Assassin that I know of is supposed to eat through a Geb Shield, Healing is easily counter by Anti Healing, and the many other things that can mitigate dmg is typically found in items that Squishy characters don't build or rely on their teammates to support them with by building. Which brings up an important trait of the Assassin Class:
Punishing Poor Positioning.
See that Carry and Support standing too far away from each other, attack the Carry. Someone too far up Lane and has a long way to walk if they wish to retreat, Gank. Low HP player sitting in tower, Dive.
Not that I'm saying Loki doesn't need a dmg buff, he's just been released, however, If +2k dmg doesn't kill someone you either picked the wrong target or screwed up.
so if you were to run titans bane, its useless in that combo since it procs on the dot from the 2. its prob good for ganks but i think another item would be good instead cause you will lose the passive in too many situations where you want to set up the 2
If you go 1v1 old loki with old basic vs new loki, the old rect this impostor.
The old loki never even fights though lol. Just proxy and run away till it can back door smh.
Yeah old Loki is pve, that is why he thrived in solo. Place a decoy in enemy phoenix and you won. The enemy solo has no minions from that point and beyond, Loki is free to gank, clear buffs and generally do whatever
No, the old loki( before nerf) killed your squishies all the time. As tank i dont had so much idea how to save them🤷🏽♀️
Ok put old loki in a team figth vs new loki in a team fight and lets see.,.,
Smite its frequently a group fight game.,.,
Here are some ideas to make small changes to the abilities to make them better. Make his 2 do more damage and exponentially do less over time and tick faster but slow down over time like kukulkan 2. If you dip some thing into a liquid, it drips faster and gets slower over time because of less liquid on the item. That way it can do more damage for the amount of time they will be in the 2 and the blind happens faster. Make it so the most a dot damage can hit him and make him appear in his one has a limit of 1 or 2 times so it actually makes him disappear. Make the 3 have immuntiy to knock up, or some small mitigations while casting.
Here’s a better idea for his shut
1: No laugh when he enters, and remove the directional showing of his movement when damaged, making Da Ji bleed and Mystical Mail broken against Loki
2: Slows gods down 50% of their speed, does less damage in return for stacking faster for his behind you, and giving it a true blind (tell me how much you see with poison in your eye)
3: CC immunity, slowing effect for 35% of their speed to prevent just running, increased damage at the cost of 1 slash, making it 4 instead of 5
4: Remove the two stage stunning BS, give it high damage and the temp stun, but reduce to only being able to get a standard attack, no ability cast attack, maybe increase the cool down by 10s so we can’t spam it out
The way I see it, the people who think this is a good thing for Loki are the ones who are in low tier matches getting bodied by trash Loki players, and the ones who realize it isn’t as good as they think it is are the higher tier Loki matches, I think the kit is unique and all, but Loki was made to be a genuine assassin, stealth, burst damage, the whole nine yards, missing only an execution on his ultimate, now they made him more like a mage, very akin to a worse Ao Kuang
@@mirage4023 Jesus you would be shit at balancing. What you're asking for here is to make him op, like, downright fucking busted. What other god in the game has an ability that slows for *fifty percent,* let alone a fucking assassin, on TOP of a 35% slow in his 3? You're joking right? On top of THAT, giving him a CC immunity and a full fucking Ra blind...
Also, you realise that giving him one less slash is not a downside if you increase the damage to make up for it anyway? That just increases his burst all around. I very much doubt that you're a "high tier player" based on this shit lmao.
i played him all day today and i tried my best to get the full combo as much as possible
1.its very damn hard to do without any interruptions
2.its very very slow
3.the ult can miss and apparently it may have a bug where you can stun a team mate
4.his ult doesn't make you cc immune
5.his 3 is so so bad
I can get in a match with somewhat favorable games ( keep in mind i am a joust and arena player) around 7 kills with him on joust and around 11 maybe 12 on arena with a average of deaths of 6 ... old loki would give me 10 kills on a joust and 16/18 maybe more kills on arena with a average of 2 maybe 3 deaths and sometimes just 1 death all game
pro for new loki is that you can .. or better said you could deal with multiple enemies at one time and i got more doubles and triples with him in one match that in maybe a month of playing him with old kit
but old loki was a much better nuker or cleaner while this one doesn't promise you either of those things .
Personally i would give him his old first ability back since there are already other invisible gods and nobody bitches about them so either make them like him or him like them ,keep the 2 as is but give it a slow ,give him his old 3 so he can autocancel but also make it that i can hit with the range of the new one including multiple targets and as for the ult there should also be something between his old and new one ... i would say give him his old ultimate but with a slow for the lading and a stun for the aoe or vice versa
4. yes it does
5. yep, interrupt but anything with cc
Honestly I think this kit could be extremely good if they did 3 things:
1) Decrease the amount of time it takes for the 2 to apply blind so loki can use the rest of his kit effectively, especially since right now most enemies can walk out of it before it applies the status.
2) Either increase the damage done by each swing in flurry strikes or decrease the amount of time loki channels the ability, because right now the clear and damage isnt enough to make it valuable even with the last hit slowing.
3) Either slightly increase the stun duration of his ultimate, allow the initial teleport to lock onto a target like it did before, or both, helping loki to be able to secure kills and get his valuable new ape stun off in a team fight while ensuring it gets some value.
Any thoughts?
Alternatively, maybe the blindness cloud slows enemies until they're blinded to help set up the blindness as well
Or have his 3 ramp up to a slow and make it knock up immune + give it some movement speed when used. Compared to tsukuyomi 2 it is not as harrowing.
Personally I think they should only change the 2 and ultimate. Just because of the fact that so many things are gonna counter him and make him unenjoyable to play.
@Baba Yaga exactly just change the 2 and ultimate as I literally said and there was no need to be toxic towards loki players when there are items to counter him, there just isn't any smart players to actually build the items
Maybe they could make the 2 increase damage taken as well as or instead of reducing damage done.
Would make consecutive ticks on a wave have way better clear and make it more useful against players even when they run out without just making it do crazy damage by itself
Why? So you can run up to a wave, press 2, and then leave without anyone knowing you were there?
The point of the new 2 is to expand your passive and increase the burst potential throughout your kit, you just actually have to commit to a target and engage.
What 2 needs is just to decrease the ticks needed to activate Blind
@@bigmoe9856 Ah, yes, because clearing a wave of minions without being seen is op. That commitment to a target will get you killed. The blind is shit.
@@sakuragi9467 No. It's bullshit in a game based on team fighting, because it encourages a character to never engage the enemy team. Worst, it's a substitute for the general role of Solo Lane which is generally to sustain and counter your opposition while later on becoming one of the front liners of your team. What's wrong with making players participate in team fights in a game that requires team work?
The commitment to a target will get you kills if you play your cards and design your build right. You being bad at team fights and not knowing how to invade will get you killed. Hell, the new ult comes with a stun that can hit multiple targets. Grab Rune Forge Hammer, Mantle of Discord, and Asi because that is going to be some consistent CC you'll drop on the enemy team even as you drop in the red.
Tell you what, if the 2-decoy or vision-had the power to kill a wave at the cost of always showing as an icon on the map-regardless of whether or not Loki is invisible-so long as it interacting with something that gave the enemy vision, would that completely destroy the character? If the answer is yes, the problem isn't Loki, it's the players who pigeon whole him into an incredibly stupid niche.
People cant have possibly have enjoyed playing the old loki, its literally just pve, I play solo a lot but have never played loki solo cuz it looks like shit, at least now lokis will be able to help the team instead of just pveing
Thanks for explaining your ignorance, now for the truth. I know many people who got to masters rank playing Loki solo, Loki CAN team fight and even burst tanks down relatively easily. A good Loki is just as much a part of the team fight as anyone else, I'm sorry that a 12 year old on your team was playing Loki but don't think every Loki is bad just because you saw a few people who didn't know how to play him. Loki solo is very good, I get at least 2 kills within the first 3 minutes with Loki, I went 24/6 yesterday with Loki, and we all find playing Loki extremely fun, this nerf has deleted Loki, he's not Loki anymore and now he should not be played under any circumstances, he's lower than trash tier, he's unplayable tier, his pick rate will become 0% after people realize how bad he is, if I see someone still trying to main Loki unironically after this then their ignorance knows no bounds. You don't know anything, you even stated it yourself with this comment, I don't want to see your ignorant ass even thinking about replying take your L just like you do every game in smite. Honestly how can someone dare have the nerve to tell a Diamond Masters rank Loki that his solo is bad.
@@sakuragi9467 the only times i have ever gotten beaten in lane by a loki solo was either when i had just started or they got babysat by their jungler, loki players are almost always easy to predict and rely on the other solos stupidity, I have no doubt that there is skill needed to play him well but you could pick a much more useful god that would help your team
@@sakuragi9467 SALTY
@@sakuragi9467 not gonna reply? guess you could only write one essay
We should make something to hirez back with the "old" one. This new it's already shit
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Why are we complaining about a God that could Instakill a squishy from stealth without even ulting that shit was dumb and obviously overly frustrating for newer players for years, this is good. Adapt, learn new ways to play the God or dont play it at all 99% of the community dosent give a f anyway
Loki was always so easy to counter. I don't know why he needs a nerf of all things...
they should make it so that loki has the old kit except for the decoy which has this new kit 😂
In thought that too then I realized he would be way to op
It's not always about straight damage it's about how you use the kit. Sure there are pros and cons to each version of Loki but this new version is meant to be played a different style imo.
Weak3n says he's even better on his stream last night.
Because weak3n is a just a great source of opinions and knowledge.
Lol
@@sacred3607 I mean the guy mains jungle and plays in SPL, not sure where you're going with that comment.
@@VSYNDICATE135 Former SPL because he went negative in all his games this year.
in a team fight stance he is a little better cuz his ult gives a slight aoe stun and his 2 does 2 ticks of dmg in a team fight, but that’s destroying the identity of the champion. isn’t a rework supposed to keep the core ideas and just update them to keep them relevant in the ever changing land of new abilities and properties? this wasn’t a true rework but more like a solution to a lot of complaining from people never buying armor items.
this is a good thing man it makes it so loki involves some skill now and cant play like you do lol
Im with you,this rework is amazing!
Biggest fucking clowns.
Wait, had one thing worng in the last comparisson. The life of fenrir was endded before last hit of flurry strike. Is this why computed less dmg than other kit.
RIP true assassin
Hes still a true assassin lol
@@jodyboles8208 his old kit was, now this one is an assassin for New Smite.
ago he's still a true assassin though. Someone that hides and kills people put of nowhere haha
@@jodyboles8208 he couldn't do that untill like rn
I can’t believe it
New Vanish deal more damage (because of 1x AA) but you have written 1053 for both of them. Btw people complain about nobody will stay 2sec in new decoy to get blinded. But none of you think, with old decoy Loki can't even deal damage without his ult combo, and old decoy doesn't have any cc, any enemy debuff, less damage, smaller area, an ability only for split pushing and farming. I only agree that new 3 isn't good ability, yes it has good damage but easy to interrupt, dodge. And i think (at least hope) they're gonna fix it and make more useful.
I think he calculated just the damage of the skill, without applying the aa damage. Btw the old 2 could let you tower dive better, absorb basic attacks from hunters especially or body block the enemy god that's running away from you, the new one doesn't, and I don't care about that mediocre CC (let's be real, it's not a serq's 2 or susano's 2) that could POSSIBLY blind (it's even worse than ra's blind lol), I only care about killing my target and get out immediatly, the faster the better and for that same reason, the new 3 and 4 are bad aswell, they're too slow and clunky. Let's be real, this is a nerf on all 4 his abilities. Last but not least, I loved to play against old loki, it required skill to catch him while invis, it was so satisfying, now it would be too easy and boring, that's just because hi rez only listened to bad players complaints and didn't even care about their own creation, what a failure of a company.
This is great tbh,love the new kit. Now loki players get punished for trying to cheese and can actually be countered outside of shell,aegis,and beads. Gotta say,hi rez really outdid themselves with this rework. Separating the good lokis from the trash cans.
Adam Taurus6659 but this kit creates no good loki’s... all of the outplay and fun is stripped from this character, and from both parties. now loki is just a little bit faster goon that you can see and not have to worry about being punished for playing alone anymore.
@@tylercarter9965 The old loki never had a hint of outplay unless you count decoy body blocks,a instantaneous stealth and a instantaneous teleport that does high damage ontop of a stun was cheap as it could get. Now you actually need to think things out and devise ways to assist your team with the blind or build a defensive item and use the stun aggressively. I truly didn't think the changes wouldn't be so drastic but they're really gonna make him better,I do feel his animation on his stun can be a bit faster so he can use the time and think 3 ticks of the 2 should be enough to get the blind effect going but overall he'll be in a much better spot than before where he was always at the bottom of every tier list ever.
I personally hate it xD possibly the worst rework since freya. The abilities make no sense, he relies on flurry to slow and keep enemies in his new decoy but if you interrupt flurry, he has literally has nothing, a sitting duck, and now you san even see him in stealth. Love how they said that damage mitigation on his stealth way back when he had it was too much and they added basically the same thing again. If the solo has an on demand stun- don’t even bother ganking.
0:30 lol
Also he cant split push effectively anymore. They made his whole kit slower and try to compensate by making him more AoE, but he just ends up a master of nothing. This change feels like a straight nerf. I think there was deffo a problem with needing 2 relics to live a loki ult but this wasnt the way to fix him.
It’s called they hate Loki they say cause he goes invisible but doesn’t w hunter and mages do that to lol
He can’t split push anymore? Oh no! It’s almost like now people have to play the game in a less infuriating way to their team and enemy team. Now people have to play the game, so sad. :(
@@lnberyllium9958 you realize that loki has to splitpush cause in a 5v5, his team is in a disadvantage, so loki splitpushes to force their solo to rotate to get an even fight for his team. If loki had better options to disengage we would teamfight. With this rework there is still no purpose to fight and not just pick their mage when he gets low. Dont blame the player if they play their god in the only possible way he is playable and counter it if you know he does this, faceroll his team in a 4v5. If you cant you deserve to loose, easy as that.
majorshepard2 majorshepard2 he’s an assassin, not many other assassins can disengage that well either. He has way better ways to disengage than a lot of people, he has his vanish and his ult. Invisibility and teleport. Plus now he has 3 aoe abilities to use in team fights that deal the same damage as they did before the rework. If you are split pushing and get ganked what do you do? You ult away and invis. That’s what you can do in a team fight if you get low. If you know how to position and how to save abilities for a getaway. He is actually a strong team fight character now with his 2 having such a big range. His 2 does good damage, blinds, and lowers their damage output. His 3 does damage in a cone in front of him and slows on final hit. His ult cripples the guy he teleports on and does a stunning attack in front of him after. If you know how to use these effectively then you can team fight. I’ve played Loki before and I know for a fact, if played right. He could even help team fight before the rework if you just go on their back line and pick them off while the enemy team focuses on your teams frontline. If they turn around to fight you then you invis or ult away, what ever one you didn’t use to engage and let your team hit them from behind while you switch targets
@@lnberyllium9958 and thats what i said your only helping a teamfight if you instagib their mage or adc and thats not going to change. He has ways to get away thats true but he trades his whole value for it not like daji, tsuku, batz,thor and others. That have way better teamfight. Every top pick doesnt even need to ult out cause they have relliable escapes as abilitys that they dont need to use in a fight cause their dmg is so bloated. He lost his identity and nobody will play him competetively cause he has no purpose. Its the same with anubis and others. Why play anubis when you can play merlin or poseidon, why play loki if you can play nem, thor, merc and such?
R.I.P Loki :(
So besides the poisen losing its taunt and the 3 losing damage and being slower its a upgrade kinda?
Less damage
This is Freya all over again and everyone who didn't play or fought against a loki can't see it
YOOOOOOOOOOOO
IS THAT OKAMI?!
Yup
So hes all around even worse...
Yes he’s even worse all around:(
@Gavin Spears rellying on an enemie being dumb enough to stand in an aoe for 2 seconds is not a relliable way to proc your passive i would say. Its a relliable way to tell if your enemie has brain damage
@Gavin Spears that still wouldn't be enough to contribute to the team but killing a player off and destroy spawn rhythm would like old loki smh
Gavin Spears yeah he’s so much better for team fighting idk why people are so upset. Just make the 3 deal the damage faster and more efficiently and I think he’ll be pretty good
@@gravitygod9569 exactly this. He will do the same shit as before, cause thats what he is supposed to do even with his new kit. If they want a teamfight jungler then they should pick batz or susano.
In my opinion I find new Loki more fun to play and more versatile I will definitely use him more now, but thats just my opinion
👉🏽Your opinion... is irrelevant👈🏽
death dragon1900 oh no Loki can actually contribute to team fights and now takes skill to play oh the horror!
Very angry car 🚗
I guess so but he will probably no long be fun in dual anymore
@@VeryAngryCriminal Takes less skill.
@@InfernalLeo777 this is 1 year ago I feel like you didn’t need to respond but I now have a harder time playing Loki now than older Loki because taking one person is easier than trying to take more on
Ya’ll complaining about the damage, I’m complaining about my proxy 😓
And good riddance haha
@@jodyboles8208 he's mad he actually needs to play the game now lol
@@Ro-fw3lc right lol
@@jodyboles8208 I looked at Fineokay and he was tearing it up with a hybrid loki,this new rework is gonna be crazy
This rework made Loki with defense viable. Your proxy doesnt mean shit because your playstyle was trash like the god you used to main
I dont like this rework it deafeat the purpose of loki
@Gavin Spears thats not true i enjoyed so much
@@Noobmaster-gw2fb and what was that purpose? To be a annoying a cheesy god? If so then yeah good riddance Haha
@@jodyboles8208 dude whats point him now when his abbilites are worst then before its not fun at all to play him i tried on pts its not fun and im quiting smite
@@Noobmaster-gw2fb haha hes actually way more fun now and his damage over is better. Just alittle lower cause you can aa cancel. Also bye! Less trolly players the better haha
@@jodyboles8208 trolly lol ur just a kid that think hes acctualy good but sucks and crys when loki kills him so goodbye crybaby
U must do it without items...that will be a better idea
Honestly he feels like a real character and one that isnt nearly as annoying and cheesy which is great. He will probably get some buffs but overall the kit fine. He works alot better in team fights now. He has more counter play as well so he isnt super safe all the time while also being able to zone areas out with his 2. It also let's him box and fight god better rather than just run and hide all the time and actually contribute to the team. Thank god they got rid of his split push as well. Now people actually have to know how to play to make the most out of him instead of being a trolly pub stomp god haha.
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I came over here to see how you felt about the rework, but man was this by far the worst way you could've done it. I'm not trying to be hostile, but this is very flawed and can't even be considered credible. What a shame
How so?
@@Sniper0502 So, assuming damage is the only thing that we're looking at here (which it should NOT be, but because the video does, I can for a second), two ways present a more fair presentation of what each kit can do:
1. Don't have any items. Looking at base damage at lvl 20, plus the autos you can sneak in mid combos can definitely make the comparison less biased and give the watcher more perspective.
or
2. Don't have the same build on both Lokis... it doesn't make any sense. These two versions of Loki are almost completely different. Prof L knows the optimal build for old Loki; it'd be fine to use it for the comparison. But to put the same exact build on a Loki that just doesn't work with the items is definitely biased. I would have encouraged him to find what he thinks to be the best items for the new Loki. It's just plain obvious that the Titan's Bane proc on the new 2 is significantly weaker than it would be on the old Loki 3. It's also very obvious that not nearly as many Hydra's Lament procs can go off... so replace those items with literally anything else because it'll only hurt to build them. Throw in an Arondight or Crusher... literally anything but those two items.
Weaken was saying u were racist cause u didn’t support blm i didn’t either so i have to back it’s like these people need to get a brain but keep up the grind
ppl who support blm are brain dead
@@Jota750
Why?
I meant to say back you up cause like bruh weaken just a scum bag who thinks he is good but in reality he is pretty terrible
TRIꕔNGLE because the Democratic Party tryna take over and are making lies about they care about black lives if they really cared they would tell the black woman who are getting abortions to stop cause 14% of blacks are in America and 36% of them get abortions
@@SirMsuni u have to be a braindead if u think whites kills blacks for being black
Tbh 3 needs changes and the poisen needs like a slow so people just cant get out. Also maybe a taunt for minions?
Hell no to taunts
I had a much easier time with the old loki and more fun in arena. Right now I must sweat really hard to stay positive with the stats.
He's sht in arena do conq
My account has been banned so i guess i died with Loki xD
Man what did u do xd. Ive been playing since beta and the max penalty ive ever had is 30 min lol
@@pablocp99 I was too good with Loki no Kappa XD
Your forget the 3 behind the enemy at old loki
He was fully countered with lion, now mystical destroys him as well.
Idk why everyone says Mystical destroys him now. It’s basically the same thing. You always saw the numbers and where he was. it’s nothing different.
@@dylanglo7710 Numbers could trick you, now you know EXACTLY where he is and where to aim. what makes his 1 useless once hes a melee god
Leoni Gomes it’s literally the same tho. Mystical procks every second so he isn’t visible the entire time since his 1 shows for 0.3 seconds. The numbers remain over the head tho pretty much the whole time as he walks around. It’s basically the same. A decent player doesn’t need the visual with mystical.
@@dylanglo7710 Thats right, they made easier even for not decent players go against loki.
@@dylanglo7710 Ps: All the team can see him now as well
what you showed old with new it's a mess
NEW LOKIII SLLOOOOOWWWWW
No one stayed in his old decoy at all so ?
timing in teamfights. also i used to ult targets in my decoy to apply the dmg..
Clearing was much safer with the decoy and more efficient without literally jumping into the way and putting yourself in danger
Gravity God yeah but they’re trying to make him a jungle character so the fact that old decoy cleared better in lane isn’t really a factor
@@whitelightning2100 they could've made the 2 just have a detonation and jungling would've been viable in both jungle and team fights
@@gravitygod9569 bro if decoy was detonating at will he would be at even better spot in solo lane and the proxy would start at level 1. How can you guys be so blind about it?
Just enjoy that loki got some attention. It not that bad if just mix it up.
When come the patch ???
6th of October
yeah on paper new loki look good, on practice he rly sucks :)
Even tho i think they got rid of loki got a butleg one. I think his kit is fun as hek. He
Yeah it looks neat
@@trashcan7140 lol
yeah but now he is decent at tfing, imagine ulting and stuning a whole team and vanishing out
and the old loki`s combo is mostly aa reset and you didnt even tried replicating it on the new kit
Oh wait, you can't vanish out because the the Da ji used beads and killed you.
@@sakuragi9467 pssssh dont tell them the truth, they dont want to hear it
@@majorshepard2 "Decent at teamfighting." Do you hear these people, this is worst than deleting Loki, now he should never be played under any circumstances.
@@sakuragi9467 if you pick loki after this rework you should get kicked and banned from smite and thats comming from a loki and zeus twotrick. Its so bad that the rework could be a meme from hirez. If it was april i would thought they fool us
@@sakuragi9467 oh stop. he isnt that bad jeez lol
Old Loki was just busted, I’m thankful for new Loki. He’s more fun to play this way because it actually takes skill
At least now hes funnier to play
This new three is very bad. His two need a dmg buff
i literally HATE old loki, hes frustating to play against since theres only one counter for him (shell), this Loki is way more fun than old Loki, he has more utility now, its hard to get the blind in a 1v1 but easy to get the blind on a teamfight, AOE stun really helps, you'll probably get 2+ stuns in a teamfight most of the time, i only think that the Flurry Strike should have a knockup immunity (maybe knockback too), and thats it, the damage is great, but theres counters to it, hes fun to play and hes actually an assassin now, can still be played in solo, but as a tank/hydrib Loki, and can he actually jungle, i LOVE new Loki, im actually a Loki main now lol
He does less damage and does damage slower its a nerf. Lol also in a perfect world you aren’t hitting all of the flurry strikes. They need to buff the decoy and flurry strike massively or else he is worse than before
And remove the laughter when using the 1, no reason for it to be there when you are already getting flashed everytime you get dmg'd
Loki has way too many counters lol.Arondight make you see him from invisible,rajin 2,Heim 1 Yemoja ult,Cama 1,amc bees,cernobog ult,Shell upgrade,hide of nemean,Mantle of discord,thorns,Aegis,beads,winged blade magis.And i said just a few he’s by far one of the easiest god to counter.
WatchOut lmao “he’s actually an assassin now.” what can i even say about this comment... you give a champion more aoe and locking him in a fight because of his new abilities and he’s more like an assassin? isn’t that the exact opposite of an assassin? loki was the pure description of an assassin. invis, attack steroid, target jump, and some sort of wave clear that doesn’t work in a team fight to make sure he can’t burst your squishies and blow up the entire enemy team.
nice!
You never though get girlfriend, or go gym? I mean you wasted so much time in smite.
Boycott Loki!! When he isn't picked at all they'll know what we think and revert it as a failed rework. I don't even play Loki but they're destroying his "personality", and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. BM the regular Loki even, tell new players not to pick him in tutorials, whatever, but these mini-reworks to old Gods are stripping them of what flavor they had, flaws and all.
he already isnt picked at all lmao
Lol I meant the Loki mains
Hahaha they arent reverting anything. They will just buff the current kit which is better and far less annoying and cheesy. The "personality" you like to call it before was god awful and thankfully it's gone forever haha.
Remember when people would do the same thing for the odin rework? Yeah........... See how odin went back to having his first kit...... Just deal with it
:(
old loki only loki
perfect in every way
new animations look ugly noisy and flashy.
i prefer silent and precise killer
Haha hes far from perfect. He was total garbage and beyond annoying/chessy
Cool I hate it.