I wish China and India could settle this border’s dispute peacefully and permanently. That will be the biggest achievement for both countries in this century. China and India would become great partners for good just like in the past again.
This Ukrain / Russian conflict has a very positive effect on this China India region. Time for China India and Russia to unite. This conflict has opened the eyes of many countries and helps to really understand where West stands.
China and Russia resolved their border issues, which were even more complicated and extensive than between China and India. The benefits of resolution far far outweighs the costs of compromise. India and China too can move past this setback, which has been exploited by the West to keep India, China and Pakistan apart.
it is the goals set by their respective leaders that seperate the two nations. Dr. Sun and Mao simply want China to unite, develop, take care of its people. Nehru set a lofty goal. India become a great power, or nothing at all.
So Britain invaded India? It invaded China too! The problem with India is that India also inherited this attitude of invasion when it became independent, it claimed all the territory the Brits intended to invade but had not yet succeeded!
@@tsuikr No inheritance, the border was un-demarcated due to lack of formal treaty. Neither British did enforce on newly independent states to pursue any claim, Burma & Pakistan realigned Sino-border, some give & take. India decided to grab every inch. FYI, Brits didn't even control Arunachal Pradesh. After independent, India secretly sent troops to occupy it in 1949 or 50. Indians blamed British out of convenience, Chinese blamed British out of ignorance. Truth is, it's India's own decision.
@@tsuikr When I said Chinese, I refer to Chinese people based on comment I read. 99% blame British for the border dispute, astounding ignorance. Or maybe they rely too much on Wiki, worse source for historical content. And Indians would deny the act of land grabbing by pushing the blame to British. China officials of course know the full details. But they are always diplomatic with words.
I like the scenario when Asians sit down together and sort out our issues with each other. Thank you, Kishore, for doing an amazing job in promoting peace and understanding among us. You deserve more than the Nobel Peace Prize!
Being an european very interested in the history of my continent, i can testify that trade is not allways a sure way to avoid the cloud of war and i am being euphémistic. And even the général principle that trade is a win win while true most of the time is not an iron rule, sometimes it is highly questionable. While i highly appréciate the sunny optimisme of Kishore i must confess that i am a pessimist of old.
I as an Indian over the years in Germany and USA I have met, worked and been long friends with several Chinese people, they are wondering, kind and awesome people. I really believe we should maintain good relationship with both countries and join hands. But yes we have this border issue that's coming in the way of everything, once we solve that we will prosper. We should maintain relationship with both west and China... because everywhere there are awesome people, no point in alienating anyone
India should join the one road one belt project of China. The CEPEC project runs hardly 100 km from Amritsar. This will connect India to Afghanistan, central Asia, China, Russia and even London or Seoul
I agree with Prof Kishore M that this is a golden opportunity to settle India-China dispute. Not just because we have two strong leaders (this is a necessarily condition). But also China's main challenge is the US right now. So China is willing to yield to India if India casts its support or at least clear neutrality on US China rivalry. Russia and China settled its border by China's giving for mostly this reason. This is a Golden Opportunity for India.
No not at all. The withdrawal of Han Chinese from Tibet, Xinjiang, HK, Inner Mongolia can be the only way forward. This is like a goon occupying your property and then saying let's settle for negotiation. This is what sums up CCP.
@@amarpalranghar This won’t happen. India is weak country and is no position to stand up to China. Russia is now dependent on china, in the conflict between india & china, don’t expect Russia to support India- India has no choice but to be a junior parter of the US - and the Americans will exploit India. if stands up to china then it wreck itself- as there is no chance india can fight china forget fighting china & Pakistan alliance
@@amarpalranghar Not only the withdrawal of Han Chinese from Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong & Inner Mongolia but the Han Chinese must withdraw from China also because I am a Tang Chinese. China belongs to the Tang Chinese, the descendents of people from the Tang Dynasty and not the Han Dynasty.
The wise thing to do for India is to settle and resolve their border issues not only with China; but, it is very important for India also to make peace with Pakistan, by solving the outstanding issues between herself and Pakistan! It is a tragedy for all these three countries that they, viz, India, China, and Pakistan were and are unable to solve their outstanding ISSUES/DISPUTES left over from HISTORIES! The records indicate, India lacked the willingness or the political courage to solve her problems with her neighbors! Thank you!
With due respect, you can live by yourself; but, the World is interconnected, and if you really practice your policy of isolation, eventually, India will never catch up with the advanced world! Thank you!
@@ebrahimkhan322 I think you didn't get what I meant. We, India, can live without making peace with Pakistan. Just because we don't have any relationships with you doesn't mean we will go to isolation. Even we have issue with China but still our trade is skyrocketing. The thing is Pakistan don't matter in the world stage
If India starts trading with Pakistan, how can BJP bash and polarise Hindu- Muslim to remain in power. BJP will never do it as it will then have to give up its vote-getting strategy.
India has border disputes with all its neighbors, not just China. In February 1951, three and a half years after the British have left the subcontinent, India invaded and annexed Tawang, South Tibet and occupied to this day. This land grab is solely Indian and has nothing to do with the British Raj. Tawang is the Sixth Dalai Lama's birthplace and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to the so called Arunachal Pradesh. AP is recognized as a disputed territory by the United Nation in 2009, making India the only country occupying two United Nation recognized disputed territories, the other being Kashmir.
Gentlemen, thank you for opening my mind. Kishore, sorry for using your first name, you inspire me, I've watched so many of your videos online in different forums. Thank you for what you've done and are still doing.
India wants all the benefits without giving anything back. One recent example is the RCEP. So to negotiate with India on the territorial issues is a waste of time. Don't even bother.
That's not true. A peaceful relationship between two adjacent countries is always worth the time. I believe everything has a solution, you just have to find it.
I thought this was the best time for both to mend ties but china's again interference in kashmir in OIC gave a wrong message. India knows west is hypocrite but china can't be trusted either.
@@avibcci1297 India insists Kashmir belongs to India. Pakistan insists Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. now each country has half. China is building roads through Kashmir on the Pakistan side. Do you think India will get the whole Kashmir now? the same thing with China India border dispute. China twice offered to swap territory. But India rejected the offers twice. India wanted all the disputed territories. Do you think India will get them all? Wait until China disappeared, may be.
@@cinpeace353 yes only if both sides comprise. But India wants all the disputed territories. China had offered to swap the disputed territories but India rejected the offers. What is the the of talking? It is a waste of time. China has better things to do.
@@whiteknuckles China, for a decade, blocked the listing of Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist under the United Nations sanctions regime. Azhar is the mastermind of several attacks against India and India has suffered a lot from terrorism backed by old American ally, so india knows china will support Pakistan at the end of the day. As for Kashmir, the king has signed the Instrument of Accession so, legally that belongs to India. Now, the thing is india-china relations are overlapped by china-Pakistan relation as well, untill india become friendly with Pakistan, just solving border tension with China won't solve the problem. So, you see things are complicated as heck.
America, Allah and Army has spoiled Pakistan. Presently; there’s a political turmoil in Pakistan! As far as India’s relationship with Russia; we can’t forget the favour extended by USSR as well as Russia!
Truly refreshing and enlightening talk show with deep substantive explorative avenues which may help all parties concerned find a way to a more prosperous and dynamic Asian century, congratulations!
4:57: Professor Bajpai should inform himself before participating in such talks. It was Pakistan that suspended trade with India in August 2019 after the Indian Parliament scrapped Article 370.
Pakistan can never become another Asian South Korea because it is a theocratic state where Rational Education with Questioning & Analysing approach is never accepted ! Pakistani Education has deteriorated a lot with Madrasas coming up exponentially across the country with each one competing to bring about the supremacy of their brand of Islam ! The History that is taught in pakistani schools has resulted in severe mental shocks when they go abroad to any Western nations for higher studies. Secondly unlike Indonesians , Pakistanis have cultural identity problems mixed with Islam of numerous types. (The same is true of majority Indian Muslims). They want to imitate the Arabs or the Turks which is a MIRAGE of their thinking & making ! Pakistanis are are also divided on sectarian basis.
muslms in india , pak want to imitate arabs or turks becuase ruling muslims are arabs or turks . which may be like 7%-8% but had ruled subcontinent for over 1000 years and still control muslim constituency as a whole unlike other muslim countries like indonesia , turkey , iran , malaysia etc .
Yearning for peace between India and Pakistan. As peace breaks out across the Middle East, hope that one of the countries will mediate between India and Pakistan to normalize relations. About time for heaven's sake - it's been over 75 years with not much change in the status quo, esp in the last 50 or so years. The most common sense thing to do would be to settle the border dispute, both India and Pakistan keeping their portions of Kashmir, and have peace, free travel across their borders for people from both sides. It's nuts to not do any of this!
Excellent discussion. I wish there were more intellectual in both countries who could talk as rationally as you two gentlemen. It might help Mr Modi made less threatening noises.
Very timely episode，as Wang Yi visits India. No, I have disagree with the professor`s analysis on Pakistani economy. American led war on Afghanistan destroyed any chance for Pakistan to grow economically. Pakistan will benefit from the American withdrawal. But the professor is completely silent on this topic.
Mehboobani is diplomatic- he plays both US & China carefully. As for Pakistan, it should align with China, which it is trying - then it doesn’t need any other nation
@@Q_QQ_Q thats not true. The entire Pakistan military hardware comes from china - the infrastructure development is china - the industrial development is china- so how is it one sided. However, the trade between india and China is one sided- China exports 80% to India on products that india is dependent on vs india export only 20% to china
@@ednan9 military hardware you talked is business for china . i talked about infrastructure , roads china built etc . they are for china , not pak . however trade deficit you talked about with china , china has it with every other nation . india is balancing it just like other nations . which doesnt mean we have nothing to do gain like pak . pak has been a colony since its creation first british colony then CIA colony . just recently , as soon as CIA was displeased with pak PM meeting russia president Putin , USA fined pak $55 Million nad is doing regime change .
Pakistan did suffer economically due to the 40yr neigbouring Afghanistan War with both the Russian and US. There are terrorist groups, criminal syndicates and mass exodus of refugees into Pakistan during that period. Chronic instability does tilt a country to a military run government.
As time pass, priorities changes, personality changes and as Tibetans integrates further into the China political system North East India will be the main contentious challenges. There are territories controlled by India that are culturally and historically Tibet.
India and China have been neighbours for thousands of years but never fought with each other except 1962 and that too was because of I’ll drawn boarders in un inhabited Baran mountains drawn by Britishers
Kishore sir, you left the important part, Nepal had the choke points for all weather roads and India is alianating on the efforts between Nepal and China. Does India had oonly focused on land areas which they occupy?? Or they have greater goals developing its own nation. I think this will benefit India, China and as Nepalese too. We cannot fight proxy wars for west to have hegemony.
India and China should come to a peaceful resolution for peace and friendship and these relationship between the two biggest population in the world would bring joy to the whole world especially the Asian Pacific region.. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
There is never any criticism of China in all these talks. The 1993 agreements froze the boundaries but xi jingping violated everything thinking 🤔that he could bully India during covid. The earlier three Chinese presidents were much more fair minded and proactive
both now china and India have very strong can make peace agreement the sooner and will not reflex more and more appropriate to settle the border before the next generation.
Very encouraging and positive. Worth taking up with Pak Embassy where veterans can play a role. As usual you two are so invigorating that surprising why our PTB are not serious about this problem where solutions on the table . Problem is that our policy makers are smitten with status quo psyche which suits the refressive nature of politics we practise . As far as our LAC is concerned Dr Bajpai is so clear. The problem is our failure of diplomacy and bureaucratic obduracy and hollow arrogance on our part after the Bandung Conference . Dr Mabhubani is so realistic let's take the cue . As far as PM is coerneed he cannot see beyond his RSS grounding which makes him reach just short of the peak and then stop pulled back partly by Americans Thank you . Indian Military Veterans
If BRICKS forms a NATO like military alliance then the boarder between China and India can be settled. This will also keep Pakistan in check. It will act as huge boaster to Indian economy as it will give access to one road one belt project of China
👉📣 Mr Sharma your map is not accurate enough for the peace cause, you should be fair at the first hand before you start to walk on the path seeking for everlasting peace, still appreciate your initiative 🤞
Once bitten twice shy….. Modi has a bigger heart then any leader. He extended hand of friendship to NSherif in Porkistan(arriving unannounced at granddaughters wedding) and Xi (wuhan and Mallapuram meets) …..then what does he get in return…..Pulwama and Galwan…… Now you see his wrath in the most blissful way 😎
Pakistan needs to turn away from its long standing damaging association with the US, and also stop taking IMF loans which are a debt trap. This would include getting rid of most Western NGOs from the country as their presence has been counterproductive to the country. I would argue, that the MOST IMPORTANT country for Pakistan on this planet is India, Mother India, followed by others in the region. That is my dream.
Would love to see Mr. Mahbubani interview Prof. Zhang Wei Wei and Mr. Eric Li about the rising of china, and how it will effect Asia. It's time to hear the voices from the China itself 🙌
Very good analytical and insightful discussion China and India both Asian leaders represent a very huge population are popular in their respective countries there are signs that the problems maybe easy to handle.If that is the situation there is bound to be a congenital atmosphere between them too and China persued Pakistan to review it's Kashmir policy. AMERICAN policy regarding Ukraine is tomoblise world Sampathy keep the supply of arms without sending the contingents The EUROPEAN security and prosperity are the core issues so this take it's time as is the case of Kashmir in Indo Pakistan
There are no disputes and differences, China is intentionally claiming land of neighboring countries. China have occupied Tibet forcefully & irrationally, Tibetans want to be Independent but they are helpless. So, China is not playing on Chinese land, its Tibetan land.
Thank you for you work to make peace a programme that every one can understand and accessible to common citizens, after all it is alway the citizens lives matter. As citizens we better educate ourself and have a peaceful and prosperity life.
Professor Kanti Bajpai got India- Pakistan relation wrong, 1. A major roadblock is Pakistan promoting terrorism vis a vis India (unlike Vietnam-China relation). 2. Hostility with India is a prerequisite for Pakistani army to remain is power and justify its humongous share of defence budget when Pakistan is always going to IMF for bailout. 3. Comparison of Pakistan with Bangladesh is not accurate as country need political and social stability which is absent in Pakistan. (Mob lynching of Sri Lankan textile manager in a blasphemy case )
Both India and China should settle their disputes once and for all for the interest of the world. The world needs the peace and accept the new world order which both the country can offer. Both leaders are great men, why not give and take for peace sake!
Why should India be the one to initiate the normalisation of relationship with both Pakistan and China. Why should India be the only one to offer something to normalise both the relationship. All I can hear from this podcast is India should offer this, India should offer that why should we be the only one to offer. We are not dying to improve trade with Pakistan(and I won't deny the fact that it will boost our economic growth) but we can't be the only one to offer when there is no initiation from the other side. I appreciate the discussion but it's too biased and only holding India to do something, offer something to improve the relationship. If there is no intention for normalisation of relationship from the other side, there is no need for India to offer. We learnt our lessons from Kargil. We don't want another backstabbing anymore.
Dear Sir, would you make episode on Bangladesh, USA, China and India relationship. How Bangladesh can maintain peace without breaking relationship with any of the parities. As Bangladesh has no interest in taking part in geo politics. It seems all this power hungry countries wants to contain everybody.
Brother,pak ask India let Russian gas and petrol come from Russia through Afgan pak pipe line to India but India Refused.same Iran Pakistan gas and petrol pipe line through pak to India but India refused.
Forget. India will not trust pak on anything. If anything trust is negative , not even zero. Keep aligning with China . By the time you realized that alignment does not bring any benefit, pak is ruined beyond redemption
what are you smoking ? it was pakistan who refused cuz of pak army and america . soviet union proposed gas pipe line via pakistan but pakistan refused . iran also proposed same because india iran has very good relations but pakistan being CIA colony , refused all . pak does not have good relations with iran and ussr/russia .
I feel india is in no rush to settle the deal with China. Because India wants to use the opportunity of Sino-US clash to further weaken China. India will just keeps on post conditions that China won't agree to stall the negotiation.
Sir, you have been quite pro China in some sense. You are also pro peace and advocating Chinese side being more mature and all sorts of goody goody guys. My question is if that was the case why did Chinese attack India in the first place, India didnt attack them? There was no provocation from Indian side. People tend to forget this when talking about diplomacy, status quo and peace talks and what not but the primary fact is that China attacked India and not the other way around.
Wondering if Russia is currently a better mediator between India and China given its intimate ties to the two great powers. Unfortunately intellectual likes of Henry Kissinger belong in a bygone era, we have lost the wisdom of long-term strategic thinking amongst the political elites in the West to act as a credible and relevant go-between.
That is not true the basics of trade even famers are getting less from the Corp store charges 15$ to the people but the famers only get a 5 dollar. For his cherries.
The swap would not work anymore. Not one today in China has the status of Zhou NenLai and Deng XiaoPing. The current public opinion of China makes it impossible for any Chinese leaders.
India Bangladesh trade is around $11 billion, India exports 10 billion, but imports 1 billion. It tells you how India trades, it's simple dishonesty. And, Pakistan knows it.
In Asia, as per mr Mahbubani “the most dangerous fault lines in Asia” are NOT China Taiwan, south and North Koreaz Such scorn for his ancestral land of India .. wonder how CCP manages to have so many talented people shilling for them. He mentioned Amartya sen in the context of expanding trade, Amartya sen isn’t all gung ho about globalization or trade. Again he claims that the Commies where the reasonable ones and Indians where the emotional idiots who don’t agree with it.
Well, I do understand your point but it's a very complicated issue. We also need to count the opinion of the people of Ladakh. I don't know from where you are but think for yourself, A part of your state is under the control of China when they invaded in 1962, I don't think U would accept losing a huge area of land to an invading nation. I would understand if we lost the land at the time of our independence but that's not the case. We lost it after more than 10 years after independence and the people of Ladakh has been living in this hope that one day their lost land will be united. So we need to first convince the people of Ladakh and give them an incentive for their lost land if we are to accept the proposal of the Chinese.
I wish China and India could settle this border’s dispute peacefully and permanently.
That will be the biggest achievement for both countries in this century.
China and India would become great partners for good just like in the past again.
It won’t happen. Sure, India can be a junior partner to China-
@@ednan9 why will India be a "junior partner" to China ?
@@ednan9 In trade there is no junior/senior partner. It is not a zero sum game. It can only be win-win
oh as you say this, someone is nervous and starts planning plots haha
@Sugato Roy he is from the west trying to create this illusion of enmity for both.
This Ukrain / Russian conflict has a very positive effect on this China India region. Time for China India and Russia to unite. This conflict has opened the eyes of many countries and helps to really understand where West stands.
China and Russia resolved their border issues, which were even more complicated and extensive than between China and India. The benefits of resolution far far outweighs the costs of compromise.
India and China too can move past this setback, which has been exploited by the West to keep India, China and Pakistan apart.
it is the goals set by their respective leaders that seperate the two nations.
Dr. Sun and Mao simply want China to unite, develop, take care of its people.
Nehru set a lofty goal. India become a great power, or nothing at all.
Yes, both are great civilizations and should work together for the common good of world peace
The British empire engineered a big TimeBomb for India 🇮🇳. A matter of time.
Can china reconcile with Taiwan
@@shelenwangnao8659 It has for the last 20 years under the one-China policy. US is changing that.
The border dispute arose from Britain's invasion of India. The UK didn't resolve with China the exact area which they colonised before they left.
UK is famous of planting seeds of problems behind before they left any places.
So Britain invaded India? It invaded China too! The problem with India is that India also inherited this attitude of invasion when it became independent, it claimed all the territory the Brits intended to invade but had not yet succeeded!
@@tsuikr No inheritance, the border was un-demarcated due to lack of formal treaty. Neither British did enforce on newly independent states to pursue any claim, Burma & Pakistan realigned Sino-border, some give & take. India decided to grab every inch. FYI, Brits didn't even control Arunachal Pradesh. After independent, India secretly sent troops to occupy it in 1949 or 50.
Indians blamed British out of convenience, Chinese blamed British out of ignorance. Truth is, it's India's own decision.
@@tobacco118 kind of agree, but China did not actually, or at least not legally blamed the Brits!
@@tsuikr When I said Chinese, I refer to Chinese people based on comment I read. 99% blame British for the border dispute, astounding ignorance. Or maybe they rely too much on Wiki, worse source for historical content. And Indians would deny the act of land grabbing by pushing the blame to British.
China officials of course know the full details. But they are always diplomatic with words.
It is heartening to know there is still a rational voice in India concerning China-India relations.
There are no Indian voices in this Podcast. Both of them are Singaporeans and China-lobbyists.
Thank you Kishore. I very much hope this translates into more voices of peace before we are all drowned by the Drums of War.
Kishore is my international geopolitics guru.
I respect Kanti too.
Thank you Prof. Kishore for sharing this podcast. Appreciate very much for all your insightful talks.🤗
I like the scenario when Asians sit down together and sort out our issues with each other. Thank you, Kishore, for doing an amazing job in promoting peace and understanding among us. You deserve more than the Nobel Peace Prize!
Now it’s d turns of Chinese, Indian n Pakistan’s politicians can get their act together so everyone can have a win win relationship n peace. 🙏🙏🙏
Osama and obama cant be friends
The most important part of talks like this is to have such calm and rational conversation to even those who one has the biggest mistrust with.
Being an european very interested in the history of my continent, i can testify that trade is not allways a sure way to avoid the cloud of war and i am being euphémistic. And even the général principle that trade is a win win while true most of the time is not an iron rule, sometimes it is highly questionable. While i highly appréciate the sunny optimisme of Kishore i must confess that i am a pessimist of old.
I as an Indian over the years in Germany and USA I have met, worked and been long friends with several Chinese people, they are wondering, kind and awesome people. I really believe we should maintain good relationship with both countries and join hands. But yes we have this border issue that's coming in the way of everything, once we solve that we will prosper. We should maintain relationship with both west and China... because everywhere there are awesome people, no point in alienating anyone
India should join the one road one belt project of China. The CEPEC project runs hardly 100 km from Amritsar. This will connect India to Afghanistan, central Asia, China, Russia and even London or Seoul
I agree with Prof Kishore M that this is a golden opportunity to settle India-China dispute. Not just because we have two strong leaders (this is a necessarily condition). But also China's main challenge is the US right now. So China is willing to yield to India if India casts its support or at least clear neutrality on US China rivalry. Russia and China settled its border by China's giving for mostly this reason. This is a Golden Opportunity for India.
No not at all. The withdrawal of Han Chinese from Tibet, Xinjiang, HK, Inner Mongolia can be the only way forward. This is like a goon occupying your property and then saying let's settle for negotiation. This is what sums up CCP.
@@amarpalranghar This won’t happen. India is weak country and is no position to stand up to China. Russia is now dependent on china, in the conflict between india & china, don’t expect Russia to support India- India has no choice but to be a junior parter of the US - and the Americans will exploit India. if stands up to china then it wreck itself- as there is no chance india can fight china forget fighting china & Pakistan alliance
@@amarpalranghar
You are entitled to your dream. You could also ask US to give back its land to American Indian and see how it will go.
@@amarpalranghar Very correct.
@@amarpalranghar Not only the withdrawal of Han Chinese from Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong & Inner Mongolia but the Han Chinese must withdraw from China also because I am a Tang Chinese. China belongs to the Tang Chinese, the descendents of people from the Tang Dynasty and not the Han Dynasty.
India and China will get along before long :)
Hard to picture now, but I think it can and will happen
The wise thing to do for India is to settle and resolve their border issues not only with China; but, it is very important for India also to make peace with Pakistan, by solving the outstanding issues between herself and Pakistan!
It is a tragedy for all these three countries that they, viz, India, China, and Pakistan were and are unable to solve their outstanding ISSUES/DISPUTES left over from HISTORIES!
The records indicate, India lacked the willingness or the political courage to solve her problems with her neighbors!
Thank you!
Pakistan needs peace with India more than India's need for peace with Pak.
Lol, we can live in India peacefully without making peace with Pakistan
With due respect, you can live by yourself; but, the World is interconnected, and if you really practice your policy of isolation, eventually, India will never catch up with the advanced world! Thank you!
The world is interconnected, we all need peace to develop and be economically competitive! Thank you!
@@ebrahimkhan322 I think you didn't get what I meant. We, India, can live without making peace with Pakistan. Just because we don't have any relationships with you doesn't mean we will go to isolation. Even we have issue with China but still our trade is skyrocketing. The thing is Pakistan don't matter in the world stage
Kishore this is a great Program and one badly needed. I can see Asian Peace Prog getting very relevant with bigger funding and initiative over time!
If India starts trading with Pakistan, how can BJP bash and polarise Hindu- Muslim to remain in power. BJP will never do it as it will then have to give up its vote-getting strategy.
India has border disputes with all its neighbors, not just China. In February 1951, three and a half years after the British have left the subcontinent, India invaded and annexed Tawang, South Tibet and occupied to this day. This land grab is solely Indian and has nothing to do with the British Raj. Tawang is the Sixth Dalai Lama's birthplace and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. In 1987 India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to the so called Arunachal Pradesh. AP is recognized as a disputed territory by the United Nation in 2009, making India the only country occupying two United Nation recognized disputed territories, the other being Kashmir.
If the relation between China and India are improved , the core problem between India and Pakistan , Kaashmir can be resolved as well.
Kashmir belongs to india just like Taiwan belongs to China.
Gentlemen, thank you for opening my mind. Kishore, sorry for using your first name, you inspire me, I've watched so many of your videos online in different forums. Thank you for what you've done and are still doing.
This stuff is gold, right ideas at right time.
India wants all the benefits without giving anything back. One recent example is the RCEP. So to negotiate with India on the territorial issues is a waste of time. Don't even bother.
That's not true. A peaceful relationship between two adjacent countries is always worth the time. I believe everything has a solution, you just have to find it.
I thought this was the best time for both to mend ties but china's again interference in kashmir in OIC gave a wrong message. India knows west is hypocrite but china can't be trusted either.
@@avibcci1297 India insists Kashmir belongs to India. Pakistan insists Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. now each country has half. China is building roads through Kashmir on the Pakistan side. Do you think India will get the whole Kashmir now? the same thing with China India border dispute. China twice offered to swap territory. But India rejected the offers twice. India wanted all the disputed territories. Do you think India will get them all? Wait until China disappeared, may be.
@@cinpeace353 yes only if both sides comprise. But India wants all the disputed territories. China had offered to swap the disputed territories but India rejected the offers. What is the the of talking? It is a waste of time. China has better things to do.
@@whiteknuckles China, for a decade, blocked the listing of Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist under the United Nations sanctions regime. Azhar is the mastermind of several attacks against India and India has suffered a lot from terrorism backed by old American ally, so india knows china will support Pakistan at the end of the day.
As for Kashmir, the king has signed the Instrument of Accession so, legally that belongs to India. Now, the thing is india-china relations are overlapped by china-Pakistan relation as well, untill india become friendly with Pakistan, just solving border tension with China won't solve the problem. So, you see things are complicated as heck.
I applaud Asian peace talk program
With great respect to Prof. Kishore Mahbubani always!
America, Allah and Army has spoiled Pakistan. Presently; there’s a political turmoil in Pakistan! As far as India’s relationship with Russia; we can’t forget the favour extended by USSR as well as Russia!
pak is a cia colony . india is a new cia colony .
Truly refreshing and enlightening talk show with deep substantive explorative avenues which may help all parties concerned find a way to a more prosperous and dynamic Asian century, congratulations!
4:57: Professor Bajpai should inform himself before participating in such talks. It was Pakistan that suspended trade with India in August 2019 after the Indian Parliament scrapped Article 370.
Pakistan can never become another Asian South Korea because it is a theocratic state where Rational Education with Questioning & Analysing approach is never accepted !
Pakistani Education has deteriorated a lot with Madrasas coming up exponentially across the country with each one competing to bring about the supremacy of their brand of Islam ! The History that is taught in pakistani schools has resulted in severe mental shocks when they go abroad to any Western nations for higher studies.
Secondly unlike Indonesians , Pakistanis have cultural identity problems mixed with Islam of numerous types.
(The same is true of majority Indian Muslims). They want to imitate the Arabs or the Turks which is a MIRAGE of their thinking & making ! Pakistanis are are also divided on sectarian basis.
muslms in india , pak want to imitate arabs or turks becuase ruling muslims are arabs or turks . which may be like 7%-8% but had ruled subcontinent for over 1000 years and still control muslim constituency as a whole unlike other muslim countries like indonesia , turkey , iran , malaysia etc .
and India is f* up by hindutva
Yearning for peace between India and Pakistan. As peace breaks out across the Middle East, hope that one of the countries will mediate between India and Pakistan to normalize relations. About time for heaven's sake - it's been over 75 years with not much change in the status quo, esp in the last 50 or so years. The most common sense thing to do would be to settle the border dispute, both India and Pakistan keeping their portions of Kashmir, and have peace, free travel across their borders for people from both sides. It's nuts to not do any of this!
Excellent discussion. I wish there were more intellectual in both countries who could talk as rationally as you two gentlemen. It might help Mr Modi made less threatening noises.
Very timely episode，as Wang Yi visits India.
No, I have disagree with the professor`s analysis on Pakistani economy. American led war on Afghanistan destroyed any chance for Pakistan to grow economically. Pakistan will benefit from the American withdrawal. But the professor is completely silent on this topic.
That is a very black and white way of looking at Pakistan economy.
Mehboobani is diplomatic- he plays both US & China carefully. As for Pakistan, it should align with China, which it is trying - then it doesn’t need any other nation
@@ednan9 china pak partnership is only one sided . china building roads for its own profit . pak has nothing to gain .
@@Q_QQ_Q thats not true. The entire Pakistan military hardware comes from china - the infrastructure development is china - the industrial development is china- so how is it one sided. However, the trade between india and China is one sided- China exports 80% to India on products that india is dependent on vs india export only 20% to china
@@ednan9 military hardware you talked is business for china . i talked about infrastructure , roads china built etc . they are for china , not pak . however trade deficit you talked about with china , china has it with every other nation . india is balancing it just like other nations . which doesnt mean we have nothing to do gain like pak . pak has been a colony since its creation first british colony then CIA colony . just recently , as soon as CIA was displeased with pak PM meeting russia president Putin , USA fined pak $55 Million nad is doing regime change .
Pakistan did suffer economically due to the 40yr neigbouring Afghanistan War with both the Russian and US. There are terrorist groups, criminal syndicates and mass exodus of refugees into Pakistan during that period. Chronic instability does tilt a country to a military run government.
pak is a CIA colony . with cia support . pak wouldn't survive .
Excellent discussion. Feel more hopeful with good men like you around.
It was a very nice session. Thank you !
As time pass, priorities changes, personality changes and as Tibetans integrates further into the China political system North East India will be the main contentious challenges. There are territories controlled by India that are culturally and historically Tibet.
India and China have been neighbours for thousands of years but never fought with each other except 1962 and that too was because of I’ll drawn boarders in un inhabited Baran mountains drawn by Britishers
True, India can talk to all sides but nobody takes them seriously because of their flip-flop ambiguous policy.
Kishore sir, you left the important part, Nepal had the choke points for all weather roads and India is alianating on the efforts between Nepal and China. Does India had oonly focused on land areas which they occupy?? Or they have greater goals developing its own nation. I think this will benefit India, China and as Nepalese too.
We cannot fight proxy wars for west to have hegemony.
Both China and India should realize that their mutual border cannot be drawn by the British invader.
What does QUAD mean? India takes side and not in a neutral position.
Great podcast 🙏🙏🙏
India and China should come to a peaceful resolution for peace and friendship and these relationship between the two biggest population in the world would bring joy to the whole world especially the Asian Pacific region.. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
There is never any criticism of China in all these talks. The 1993 agreements froze the boundaries but xi jingping violated everything thinking 🤔that he could bully India during covid. The earlier three Chinese presidents were much more fair minded and proactive
It will be politically suicidal for BJP to have peace with Pakistan without resolving POK
Here from The Wright Show, I enjoyed your conversion with Bob, Kishore. Looking forward to listening to the rest of this tomorrow evening.
Kishore should interview on China preparative facts to make both facts to make way to solve both side to deal.
both now china and India have very strong can make peace agreement the sooner and will not reflex more and more appropriate to settle the border before the next generation.
Very informative. Thanks to Kishore and you guest.
Very encouraging and positive. Worth taking up with Pak Embassy where veterans can play a role. As usual you two are so invigorating that surprising why our PTB are not serious about this problem where solutions on the table . Problem is that our policy makers are smitten with status quo psyche which suits the refressive nature of politics we practise . As far as our LAC is concerned Dr Bajpai is so clear. The problem is our failure of diplomacy and bureaucratic obduracy and hollow arrogance on
our part after the Bandung Conference . Dr Mabhubani is so realistic let's take the cue . As far as PM is coerneed he cannot see beyond his RSS grounding which makes him reach just short of the peak and then stop pulled back partly by Americans Thank you . Indian Military Veterans
"#PAN_Asian-ism!!"!!
I think Any agreement made on the border issue will inevitably be reflective of the ever changing power dynamics between China and India.
Excellent👏👏 no other solution I can imagine on 🇨🇳
endia has no confidence. RECEP an example. endia trading with Islamic countries is problematic with rss.
lmao is that why the Saudi and uae goverment investing in India
Atleast learn spelling before understanding geopolitics,kid
@@avibcci1297 Pakistani's use this spelling (endia) for India. Must be thats the way their army spells it.
@Modi WhinyThePoor kid.
If BRICKS forms a NATO like military alliance then the boarder between China and India can be settled. This will also keep Pakistan in check. It will act as huge boaster to Indian economy as it will give access to one road one belt project of China
👉📣 Mr Sharma your map is not accurate enough for the peace cause, you should be fair at the first hand before you start to walk on the path seeking for everlasting peace, still appreciate your initiative 🤞
This is true peace-making effort👍🏻
India is and will be THE great power.
Fantastic discussion
Once bitten twice shy…..
Modi has a bigger heart then any leader.
He extended hand of friendship to NSherif in Porkistan(arriving unannounced at granddaughters wedding) and Xi (wuhan and Mallapuram meets) …..then what does he get in return…..Pulwama and Galwan……
Now you see his wrath in the most blissful way 😎
It would be nice to see the both of you talk in person than to see only a map. A small request. TQ.
Pakistan needs to turn away from its long standing damaging association with the US, and also stop taking IMF loans which are a debt trap. This would include getting rid of most Western NGOs from the country as their presence has been counterproductive to the country. I would argue, that the MOST IMPORTANT country for Pakistan on this planet is India, Mother India, followed by others in the region. That is my dream.
What i wish to pose to Kanti of India, can india be friends to China and its other neighbors?
Would love to see Mr. Mahbubani interview Prof. Zhang Wei Wei and Mr. Eric Li about the rising of china, and how it will effect Asia. It's time to hear the voices from the China itself 🙌
Very good analytical and insightful discussion China and India both Asian leaders represent a very huge population are popular in their respective countries there are signs that the problems maybe easy to handle.If that is the situation there is bound to be a congenital atmosphere between them too and China persued Pakistan to review it's Kashmir policy. AMERICAN policy regarding Ukraine is tomoblise world Sampathy keep the supply of arms without sending the contingents The EUROPEAN security and prosperity are the core issues so this take it's time as is the case of Kashmir in Indo Pakistan
There are no disputes and differences, China is intentionally claiming land of neighboring countries. China have occupied Tibet forcefully & irrationally, Tibetans want to be Independent but they are helpless. So, China is not playing on Chinese land, its Tibetan land.
Excellent discussion.
Thank you for you work to make peace a programme that every one can understand and accessible to common citizens, after all it is alway the citizens lives matter. As citizens we better educate ourself and have a peaceful and prosperity life.
Pakistan is not in the siachen. They have no leverage over there.
Sirs u both are the best speakers in this universe sensable. M 100% Mr Modi n Mr Ping would worke it out we have a long histories n culture n wisdom
Professor Kanti Bajpai got India- Pakistan relation wrong,
1. A major roadblock is Pakistan promoting terrorism vis a vis India (unlike Vietnam-China relation).
2. Hostility with India is a prerequisite for Pakistani army to remain is power and justify its humongous share of defence budget when Pakistan is always going to IMF for bailout.
3. Comparison of Pakistan with Bangladesh is not accurate as country need political and social stability which is absent in Pakistan. (Mob lynching of Sri Lankan textile manager in a blasphemy case )
Both India and China should settle their disputes once and for all for the interest of the world. The world needs the peace and accept the new world order which both the country can offer. Both leaders are great men, why not give and take for peace sake!
Why should India be the one to initiate the normalisation of relationship with both Pakistan and China. Why should India be the only one to offer something to normalise both the relationship. All I can hear from this podcast is India should offer this, India should offer that why should we be the only one to offer. We are not dying to improve trade with Pakistan(and I won't deny the fact that it will boost our economic growth) but we can't be the only one to offer when there is no initiation from the other side. I appreciate the discussion but it's too biased and only holding India to do something, offer something to improve the relationship.
If there is no intention for normalisation of relationship from the other side, there is no need for India to offer. We learnt our lessons from Kargil. We don't want another backstabbing anymore.
Sir, the map is not correct...
Dear Sir, would you make episode on Bangladesh, USA, China and India relationship. How Bangladesh can maintain peace without breaking relationship with any of the parities. As Bangladesh has no interest in taking part in geo politics. It seems all this power hungry countries wants to contain everybody.
What trade can India offer to Pakistan that other countries cannot?
Affordable medicines
USSR/Yugoslavia India next?
Could be if not careful.
How is the situation in Balochistan? if your are not careful you would loose it.
Brother,pak ask India let Russian gas and petrol come from Russia through Afgan pak pipe line to India but India
Refused.same Iran Pakistan gas and petrol pipe line through pak to India but India refused.
Source? Pakistan has done the same with india when Uzbekistan asked.
Forget. India will not trust pak on anything. If anything trust is negative , not even zero.
Keep aligning with China . By the time you realized that alignment does not bring any benefit, pak is ruined beyond redemption
what are you smoking ? it was pakistan who refused cuz of pak army and america . soviet union proposed gas pipe line via pakistan but pakistan refused . iran also proposed same because india iran has very good relations but pakistan being CIA colony , refused all . pak does not have good relations with iran and ussr/russia .
@@avibcci1297 .
An excellent dialogue
I feel india is in no rush to settle the deal with China. Because India wants to use the opportunity of Sino-US clash to further weaken China. India will just keeps on post conditions that China won't agree to stall the negotiation.
It may not be good time focusing on border issues, put it aside, move on the economic collaboration which benefits both Asian superpowers enormously!
Mehboobani could not just stop plugging the Chinese position. Even in the end he pushes for RCEP, a Chinese controlled structure.
India map is wrong .correct it
Sir, you have been quite pro China in some sense.
You are also pro peace and advocating Chinese side being more mature and all sorts of goody goody guys.
My question is if that was the case why did Chinese attack India in the first place, India didnt attack them?
There was no provocation from Indian side. People tend to forget this when talking about diplomacy, status quo and peace talks and what not but the primary fact is that China attacked India and not the other way around.
Good dream..
Wondering if Russia is currently a better mediator between India and China given its intimate ties to the two great powers.
Unfortunately intellectual likes of Henry Kissinger belong in a bygone era, we have lost the wisdom of long-term strategic thinking amongst the political elites in the West to act as a credible and relevant go-between.
Just a correction:- It’s Not Pakistan. It’s Shetanistan….
No justice no peace.it will apply to all .
That is not true the basics of trade even famers are getting less from the Corp store charges 15$ to the people but the famers only get a 5 dollar. For his cherries.
Your map shows India, Pakistan, Nepal, not mentioning China, and instead putting Tibet on the map seems to me provocative, don't you agree with me?
That part is Tibet. Look at India's map, India is not written over every state
The swap would not work anymore. Not one today in China has the status of Zhou NenLai and Deng XiaoPing. The current public opinion of China makes it impossible for any Chinese leaders.
India Bangladesh trade is around $11 billion, India exports 10 billion, but imports 1 billion.
It tells you how India trades, it's simple dishonesty. And, Pakistan knows it.
What's with the map eh?
Trade is always linked with politics, Kashmir conflict cannot be set aside whilst people pretend it's all normal.
In Asia, as per mr Mahbubani “the most dangerous fault lines in Asia” are NOT China Taiwan, south and North Koreaz Such scorn for his ancestral land of India .. wonder how CCP manages to have so many talented people shilling for them.
He mentioned Amartya sen in the context of expanding trade, Amartya sen isn’t all gung ho about globalization or trade.
Again he claims that the Commies where the reasonable ones and Indians where the emotional idiots who don’t agree with it.
India should have settled with Deng... That was an error
Well, I do understand your point but it's a very complicated issue. We also need to count the opinion of the people of Ladakh. I don't know from where you are but think for yourself, A part of your state is under the control of China when they invaded in 1962, I don't think U would accept losing a huge area of land to an invading nation. I would understand if we lost the land at the time of our independence but that's not the case. We lost it after more than 10 years after independence and the people of Ladakh has been living in this hope that one day their lost land will be united. So we need to first convince the people of Ladakh and give them an incentive for their lost land if we are to accept the proposal of the Chinese.
Please use correct map of india
modi is not able to hold a press conference in 8 years. IQ below zero.
India is not presidential model. Modi speaks in Parliament as well as ministers
True. Im the Dim is genius.
Map error
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