The fact that Chris Paul's career playoff stats are arguably better than John Stockton's, Isiah Thomas's and Jason Kidd's says a lot... 20 ppg, 5 rebounds, 8.3 assists, 1.9 steals on 48.4% from the field, 37.3% from 3, 85% from the line, and 58% true shooting% (Only player of that group that gets close in efficiency is Stockton except he's a 13.4ppg career playoffs scorer, so the volume is wayyyy off) sort of proves it for me. Let alone that clutch shooting stat you gave, as well as how he's handled all of the unfavorable situations he's been in and how he's impacted team culture where he's been (especially on the Suns and OKC, which has been praised to no end by D-Book and SGA especially) really makes me consider putting him in my top 25 players ever. I still think he''s my number 4 point guard behind Magic, Steph, and Zeke, (Zeke because the two championships do matter and their stats are otherwise very similar), but beyond that, there's barely an argument for any other PG above him in my opinion.
Being a Clippers fan for a long time, it hurts me seeing Cheis Paul get hate. I hope that this newer generation of fans dont taint how great of a talent he was
Everyone talks about him as an annoying, dirty old man. But people don’t realize that there were times where he was the best PG in the league, and during the clippers years he was the most dependable guy in the league.
Looking back on 2018, that was the one that hurts for me the most. Could've beaten the "invincible" KD/Steph warriors and probably get a championship over LeBron as an elite second option.
@zain4070 bro if the rockets beat the warriors how would the cavs who got swept beat them? This was the 2018 cavs team. Lebron was out there playing by himself
I genuinely don't understand how someone could watch this whole video and still think he belongs outside the top 25 players of all time. He's in my top 20 and he should be in yours too.
With all due respect, even as a Clipper fan, no way. And that’s not a knock on CP3, he’s on the 5ish side of my top 5 PGs ever. But once you start listing names, I’m gonna get to 30 without him. He wasn’t healthy in the playoffs multiple times, I don’t hold that against him in any way, but it happened and his teams fell short because of it
lol because games aren’t played on stat sheets. Great player but he wasn’t conducive to winning. He single handedly choked to worse playoff teams multiple times, His former teammates call him selfish
Chris Paul is one of the biggest victims of winning bias. When I say winning bias, I’m not even talking about “he didn’t win so he can’t be this good” but more manufacturing narratives to explain why a player didn’t win. To me he’s a top 20 player ever, somewhere near #20-18. The 4th greatest PG ever behind Magic, Steph, and Oscar. (I consider West a SG, if I counted him as a PG he’d be above CP3 though). Also, 8:14 “island of misfit toys offense” is one of the best phrases I’ve heard in a while. Great video.
@@pyotrbagration2438 CP and Kidd is a hard one for me, I will have Kidd over CP. CP and Stockton is not a conversation, CP is clearly over Stockton. CP verses Zeke is a interesting one, I think CP is the overall better player, but Zeke maybe a better fit in more teams than CP if we are discussing championship ceilings. (Zeke is Isiah Thomas, for someone who doesn't know)
@@pyotrbagration2438Paul is a more complete defender and more talented passer and ball handler as well as a better scorer than Stockton. There was 20-30 years of innovation in dribbling and PG play in between CP3 and Stockton, and Stockton had a very old school game which simply wouldn’t translate well today imo. CP3 was such a supreme athlete in addition to his IQ he could play in any era.
As a Suns fan I will always respect Chris Paul. He really changed the culture of our team and instantly made us contenders all three years he was here. I wish we could've gotten him back on a minimum this year!
Can I ask why you don’t like these kinds of videos? They’re fun opinion pieces and create opportunities for community and discussion outside of ESPN and the like.
U know why I’m here. lol. As someone who’s been telling people pretty much all of these things you’ve said in this video for the last decade, THANK YOU!!
Its ridiculous how we treat all time great players who don't have a ring ! First its a team sport and if every all time great had a ring then rings wouldn't be special period ! SMH
So so so underrated. Elite passer, elite mid range shooter, good finisher, elite defender. Like why tf is he in Johnny t Stockton convos???? And one thing about rondo is that I think hes the best tough shot mid range taker ever with his only real argument being kobe. The amount of mid range shot he makes over bigs or contest is insanity. Its so effortless amd smooth. The most underrated part about him is his leadership and mentality. That nigga is extremely strong minded, loves to win/compete, plays his heart out every time I see him, and is a certified leader. He's top 3 most underrated player oat easily behind Jerry West and Rick Barry.
There's a myth in sports, and the NBA in particular, that as long as you have the talent and put in the work, success is inevitable. You just have to hang in there and it will come. So if you don't win, its on you. You're overrated, or a choker, or lazy, or a bad teammate. Then we look at Paul, and none of those labels fit. Any statistical or critical appreciation of his game tells you he's elite. His work ethic is beyond question. People say he's difficult to play with, yet there's a small army of former teammates who revere him and cannot say enough good things about him. Paul isn't perfect, and there are holes in his game and mentality, but none of them are crippling enough to label him a loser, or choker. The truth is that no matter how talented or hard working you are, your future is not yours to control. Your teammates matter. Your coaching matters, Your opponents matter. Injuries, match ups and freakish bad luck can all torpedo your chances.There is only so much one man do, no matter how skillful or clever he is. The lesson to learn from Paul's career is that you can be an all time great, but you need the right ecosystem to win a chip. Paul has never been in the right place, at the right time, with the right people.
@@thesocratescamden If you think he gets zero criticism, then I don't know what to tell you man. You must be heavily insulated from NBA media and fans.
Hes literally considered one of the best PGs ever by everybody, including this creator. He legit hardly gets criticism to the level of James Harden or Westbrook despite having onlu 2 Conference Final appearances in 19 years in the league while being on deep 50 win teams for a majority of his career
@@thesocratescamden He doesn't get criticized as much as them, because they have had far worse meltdowns in the playoffs than him. It's that simple. For every bad CP3 playoff game, James and Russ have 3 or 4, and they've played with far better talent than Chris.
@user-nu7on8ob4m Bro, Chris Paul has five blown 2-0 leads and has a blown 3-1 lead vs. Harden. Harden and Russ have beaten CP3 on their own teams and even beat him together. Both Harden and Russ has been deeper into the playoffs more times than CP3 respectfully. The only reason you probably dont realize this is because of the media favoritism CP3 gets and how much they downplay Harden and Russ.
I really appreciate that the Spurs new Wemby generation went for a CP3 / Barnes style rather than a Trae Young. The economic sense behind this is obvious, but I dare to say that this brings more basketball value too considering the assets and philosophy of game under the Spurs organisation
I was disappointed when Jason Timpf left him off his top 25 of the 21st century list. One of his main points was that he only included people who were the best player on a championship or finals team. Imo he was the best player on the Suns 2021 final team.
Heres the main issue about the perception on Paul. A lot of these kids think his prime was like 2016-2020. When in reality it was like 08-12. His best years were on the Hornets. By the Rockets he was already on the decline and by the Suns he was looking old. Maybe if he had been able to hook up with Kobe and and Bynum or Kobe and Heard as Kobe, Paul, and Howard was the plan. Of course Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban got butthurt and complained and David Stern squashed the trade. Which was ridiculous. The Hornets GM was trying to do right by his team in that trade. It wasnt as bad as LeBron and Bosh going to Miami or even the Gasol trade a few years earlier. Now the Gasol trade was a real coup for the Lakers. Anyway what might have been. Prime Paul and Kobe and Howard... Paul might have been able to make Howard work much better than old man Nash and Phil Jackson was going to come back and coach for the Lakers if that trade went through...
I really appreciate this video. Your analysis is spot on. I never considered him on an all-time ranking (never thought he was top 20, which is about as far as I go), but it's definitely high. I don't think the top 25 is unreasonable. He was obviously a great player with a huge impact on winning.
One of the strangest players of all time. Like there are playoff chokers like Harden, Malone, Embiid, Westbrook, Melo etc that you can clearly point to their numbers and how they consistently fall in the playoffs. But CP3 has good playoff numbers. Like almost great even. But somehow it just never works out for him. Like I can't even think of too many bad playoff games from his, but somehow someway when the buzzer sounds he's on the losing end. It's almost baffling.
Hi Carson, could you make a John Stockton video? I feel that when people talk about PGs, a lot of people don't really understand who John Stockton is and just using his No.1 career assists and steals number to overrate him, saying he's top3,5 PGs of all time. In reality I think he is more on that top-10 PG rank, like Kevin Johnson, Damian Lillard, Gary Payton.
I've always admired Chris, but I grew to love his game during his last year with the Warriors. Steph is my favorite player and I've always resented how Chris was the "point guard," a title I think should be applied to Steph. It was great seeing them play together. Chris is an artist.
I dont think people misunterstand his game (maybe casuals / younger fans that didnt get to see his evoultion since the NO days). People just hate his character and he being associated with multiple legendary blown leads in the playoffs
I'm usually not one of those "this deserves more views" commenters, but people are seriously missing out on the quality here. Well argued, well scripted basketball talk
I get it, Paul’s narrative is toxic now and he is a great player. That said this video overstates his career. Jason Kidd rightfully points to Stockton as the all time best point guard. Below the radar in Utah, he has 3,000 more assists than #2 Kidd and 5,000 more than Magic. all time steal leader and a very clutch shooter. It’s a crime he is not mentioned with Nash and the other guys. As far as pick and roll against drop, I would take Luka over peak Paul any day. Difference is Luka can go in and bury top defenses at home in elimination games. Luka can steal a very good team’s soul (see PHX and Minn), and Paul, not so much. Luka was the cause of Utah giving up on Rudy and Paul’s Suns giving up on their number one pick center because he killed both teams very good drop coverage. Teams literally were embarrassed into rebuilding their rosters because of Luka attacking their drop coverage.
@@KyleLowryRaptorsGOATwell duh. But until cp aged out the last few years, there is no point in cps late prime where kyrie was better imo. But young fans will say he was better aye he’s more fun to watch and a better iso scorer.
One of the greatest injustices in NBA history: Nash has 2 MVPs and CP3 has never been seriously considered for one. Tells you all you want to know about how "new stuff" are more valued for these acolades, even though CP3 in his prime was a superior PG than Nash
That’s the thing though, he is an amazing player but the few times he had the opportunity to win, either injuries or his performances were not enough. The players i d rank higher than cp3 are players that will surpass themselves. It’s one thing to play well but if I take players like steph or lebron, when it mattered they were able to get the edge. I m not denying cp’s greatest, he’s a top 5 pg all time for me and he has been bringing success to every franchise he played for. But most of the time you only get a few chances at a ring and if you throw them away even if your whole career you were good, you ll remain ringless.
He had one of those surpassing games in 2021 against the clippers but then got out powered by giannis in the finals, which proves another point, to win you need to play better than your opponents not just well…
Getting injured is not a valid excuse!!! CP3 getting injured in the playoffs on the biggest stage is a huge issue and played a large part in his teams not achieving more success. You can’t just say he got injured and talk about how good he is when he plays. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Getting injured is not a valid excuse? Yet y’all love to use it for any player y’all love when they don’t perform. If I uries is your only issue with cp3 the you don’t have a credible argument. You cannot use something outside of someone’s control as an argument against their greatness. THATS what makes no sense. Durability is an issue for him but that’s where the convo on that ends. What else do u say about that? How tf do u do a deep dive on a man having bad hamstrings? Y’all want to find a reason to burn that man’s legacy sooo bad. And it’s dumb
Bro you are the ultimate excuse machine for Chris Paul. Your blaming role players for HIS teams failures? Your excusing his injuries which are his responsibility? Heavy is the head that wears the crown. When you’re the best player/highest paid player on pretty much every team he’s failed with YOU TAKE THE BLAME, period, end of discussion. CP3 is a great player but you can be two things at the same time and he’s also a failure in the postseason WHEN YOUR LEGACY IS DEFINED. The regular szn accolades are cool but they don’t mean shit unless you back them up with postseason success. He’s a choke artist when it counts the most, he’s always getting hurt in the playoffs or right as the postseason is about to begin, he’s unreliable in that aspect. STOP with the excuses he is what his history says he is a great regular szn player but can’t lead his team in the playoffs. You can find all tge random stats you want but it’s the eye test and what he’s actually never achieved that matters most.
Plz give ANY player in nba history in every single playoff game they play in their career. Role players that shoot less than 30% and play terrible defense and let’s see how many championships they win . It is a TEAM sport no one great player can trump a bad team. Do me favor Point me to the year when a NBA Champions were a bad team…
@jahimuddin2306 5x hes blown 2-0 leads in the playoffs (including the finals). Only made it out the 2nd round TWICE in 19 seasons playing on multiple 50+ win teams. CP3 discourse is always hes a winner despite never winning
John Stockton-Karl Malone pitch n roll was as effective as any Paul combo. Also they were doing it in 1980”s 1990’s when no one else was. I would put Stockton ahead of him.
@@pyotrbagration2438 calling him cp0 when Stockton is also ring less is hilarious 😂 man got all those assist and had Malone his entire career and still no rings to show for it
I have to disagree. Yes he was a great point guard but he was a poor leader and at times a dirty player. I don't think people misunderstand CP0 I think they just don't like him.
CP3 was great but not a top-5 PG ever. Not even better than Russ. Couldn’t win as a #1 and always had incredible supporting casts (Lob city, 08 Hornets). Playoff chokes each year from 2013-16 mostly as a result of his poor play (OKC G5, Rockets G6-7). His advanced metrics and efficiency stats overstate his contribution to winning and his former teammates have called out his selfishness, yet he doesn’t get the same bad wrap that better players like Harden did for “not playing winning ball” or having poor leadership. Jason Kidd is way better
So you just ignore all the factual stats provided to you in this video, and spew out some bs narratives that are mostly disproven, in said video. You gotta be sped
When did CP overtake Kidd? When did CP overtake Stockton? When did CP overtake Zeke? Heck I'd even have the Glove instead of him. Given that the narrator never mentions Stockton when comparing CP to someone else tell enough. Overrated af.
@@zackd9032 He gave me 20 minutes of strawman arguments, the players I listed are all above CP both in accolades and in stats, which is prolly why he doesnt compare them with CP but uses freaking Derozan and EmBum. Sad indeed.
@@pyotrbagration2438 they quite literally are not all above in Accolades at all . Chris Paul has the most all star selections out of any of the players you named, he’s tied with stockon with all nba selections but Chris Paul has the most 1st All NBA selections with 4 Stockton has ONE. In all defensive teams he’s tied with kidd & payton at 9 but kidd has 4 first team Chris paul has 7 Payton has nine You are just babbling nonsense
Elevating a Thunder and suns team just to choke in the playoffs like always isn't moving me. "One of the best winner's ever" doesn't even have a ring and only made a finals as a third option. Sure he's usually plays well but his issue is he never steps up when the time comes and that's why he blows leads.
@@Dusty3967 John Stockton is a bum and would be a better player if he scored more and assisted less. He didn’t do shit either and played in the weakest era of nba competition
Crazy amount of glaze in this video, pretty much saying he was great except for in the specific moments when it mattered the most. Saying he is better than Karl Malone and Barkley is crazy
The numbers in the playoffs say he is, and it’s way more great performances than bad performances in his playoff career clearly you didn’t watch the video and was already close minded on the subject so why watch in the 1st place?
The fact that Chris Paul's career playoff stats are arguably better than John Stockton's, Isiah Thomas's and Jason Kidd's says a lot... 20 ppg, 5 rebounds, 8.3 assists, 1.9 steals on 48.4% from the field, 37.3% from 3, 85% from the line, and 58% true shooting% (Only player of that group that gets close in efficiency is Stockton except he's a 13.4ppg career playoffs scorer, so the volume is wayyyy off) sort of proves it for me. Let alone that clutch shooting stat you gave, as well as how he's handled all of the unfavorable situations he's been in and how he's impacted team culture where he's been (especially on the Suns and OKC, which has been praised to no end by D-Book and SGA especially) really makes me consider putting him in my top 25 players ever. I still think he''s my number 4 point guard behind Magic, Steph, and Zeke, (Zeke because the two championships do matter and their stats are otherwise very similar), but beyond that, there's barely an argument for any other PG above him in my opinion.
Being a Clippers fan for a long time, it hurts me seeing Cheis Paul get hate. I hope that this newer generation of fans dont taint how great of a talent he was
Everyone talks about him as an annoying, dirty old man. But people don’t realize that there were times where he was the best PG in the league, and during the clippers years he was the most dependable guy in the league.
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Carson please keep making these type of video essays.
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Looking back on 2018, that was the one that hurts for me the most. Could've beaten the "invincible" KD/Steph warriors and probably get a championship over LeBron as an elite second option.
If 2018 Lebron was soloing the warriors and keeping it close I think he could’ve taken down Houston especially considering James harden choke job
@@zain4070nigga they got swept give it a rest
@zain4070 bro if the rockets beat the warriors how would the cavs who got swept beat them? This was the 2018 cavs team. Lebron was out there playing by himself
@@jacobwynter7226 2018 Lebron was capable of many things and I would’ve banked on James harden and cp choking in the finals
@@zain4070 Seriously?! A 50 wins team beat a 65 wins team in the final?! That's never happened in NBA history
Point God will always be underrated. Would have loved to see him play with a dominant big and stay healthy in the playoffs
My favorite cp3 moment was him staring down harden while shooting freethrows will live rent In my head
How have I never seen that one 🥲😂
Very well written/produced video essay!
my goat. my first introduction to basketball was 08 CP3. he’s never gonna get his respect and it hurts to watch
I genuinely don't understand how someone could watch this whole video and still think he belongs outside the top 25 players of all time. He's in my top 20 and he should be in yours too.
With all due respect, even as a Clipper fan, no way. And that’s not a knock on CP3, he’s on the 5ish side of my top 5 PGs ever. But once you start listing names, I’m gonna get to 30 without him. He wasn’t healthy in the playoffs multiple times, I don’t hold that against him in any way, but it happened and his teams fell short because of it
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lol because games aren’t played on stat sheets. Great player but he wasn’t conducive to winning. He single handedly choked to worse playoff teams multiple times, His former teammates call him selfish
Bro is top 5 pg top 25 all 5ime ur buggin
@@howiebojanglesok start listing names then
Chris Paul is one of the biggest victims of winning bias. When I say winning bias, I’m not even talking about “he didn’t win so he can’t be this good” but more manufacturing narratives to explain why a player didn’t win.
To me he’s a top 20 player ever, somewhere near #20-18. The 4th greatest PG ever behind Magic, Steph, and Oscar. (I consider West a SG, if I counted him as a PG he’d be above CP3 though).
Also, 8:14 “island of misfit toys offense” is one of the best phrases I’ve heard in a while. Great video.
CP above Kidd, CP above Stockton, CP above Zeke. When did that happen?
@@pyotrbagration2438 CP and Kidd is a hard one for me, I will have Kidd over CP. CP and Stockton is not a conversation, CP is clearly over Stockton. CP verses Zeke is a interesting one, I think CP is the overall better player, but Zeke maybe a better fit in more teams than CP if we are discussing championship ceilings. (Zeke is Isiah Thomas, for someone who doesn't know)
@@glenn8886 Elaborate on how CP is above Stockton.
I like CP over Stockton and Kidd, but I don't like him over Isaiah Thomas
@@pyotrbagration2438Paul is a more complete defender and more talented passer and ball handler as well as a better scorer than Stockton. There was 20-30 years of innovation in dribbling and PG play in between CP3 and Stockton, and Stockton had a very old school game which simply wouldn’t translate well today imo. CP3 was such a supreme athlete in addition to his IQ he could play in any era.
Great video! CP3 is over hated. Top 5 PG and top 25 player of all time.
As a Suns fan I will always respect Chris Paul. He really changed the culture of our team and instantly made us contenders all three years he was here. I wish we could've gotten him back on a minimum this year!
i really dislike all these basketball video essays that are everywhere now but this one is fun and great
Can I ask why you don’t like these kinds of videos? They’re fun opinion pieces and create opportunities for community and discussion outside of ESPN and the like.
CP3 is my favorite player of all time. And I really hate that he has a bad rep to some. Great video
Top 5 pg dead or alive
Killing it Carson, love to see this type of content. Great work
I once read someone nicknamed him CP3-1, the best I have seen so far
U know why I’m here. lol.
As someone who’s been telling people pretty much all of these things you’ve said in this video for the last decade, THANK YOU!!
Truly a work of art
It’s sad that Chris only ever played with one other great player in his prime and he got injured when he was about to win
Its ridiculous how we treat all time great players who don't have a ring ! First its a team sport and if every all time great had a ring then rings wouldn't be special period ! SMH
So so so underrated. Elite passer, elite mid range shooter, good finisher, elite defender. Like why tf is he in Johnny t Stockton convos????
And one thing about rondo is that I think hes the best tough shot mid range taker ever with his only real argument being kobe. The amount of mid range shot he makes over bigs or contest is insanity. Its so effortless amd smooth.
The most underrated part about him is his leadership and mentality. That nigga is extremely strong minded, loves to win/compete, plays his heart out every time I see him, and is a certified leader.
He's top 3 most underrated player oat easily behind Jerry West and Rick Barry.
There's a myth in sports, and the NBA in particular, that as long as you have the talent and put in the work, success is inevitable. You just have to hang in there and it will come. So if you don't win, its on you. You're overrated, or a choker, or lazy, or a bad teammate.
Then we look at Paul, and none of those labels fit. Any statistical or critical appreciation of his game tells you he's elite. His work ethic is beyond question. People say he's difficult to play with, yet there's a small army of former teammates who revere him and cannot say enough good things about him. Paul isn't perfect, and there are holes in his game and mentality, but none of them are crippling enough to label him a loser, or choker.
The truth is that no matter how talented or hard working you are, your future is not yours to control. Your teammates matter. Your coaching matters, Your opponents matter. Injuries, match ups and freakish bad luck can all torpedo your chances.There is only so much one man do, no matter how skillful or clever he is. The lesson to learn from Paul's career is that you can be an all time great, but you need the right ecosystem to win a chip. Paul has never been in the right place, at the right time, with the right people.
@user-nu7on8ob4m That can be said about plenty guys who dont win but he gets ZERO criticism and never get blame.
@@thesocratescamden If you think he gets zero criticism, then I don't know what to tell you man. You must be heavily insulated from NBA media and fans.
Hes literally considered one of the best PGs ever by everybody, including this creator. He legit hardly gets criticism to the level of James Harden or Westbrook despite having onlu 2 Conference Final appearances in 19 years in the league while being on deep 50 win teams for a majority of his career
@@thesocratescamden He doesn't get criticized as much as them, because they have had far worse meltdowns in the playoffs than him. It's that simple. For every bad CP3 playoff game, James and Russ have 3 or 4, and they've played with far better talent than Chris.
@user-nu7on8ob4m Bro, Chris Paul has five blown 2-0 leads and has a blown 3-1 lead vs. Harden.
Harden and Russ have beaten CP3 on their own teams and even beat him together. Both Harden and Russ has been deeper into the playoffs more times than CP3 respectfully. The only reason you probably dont realize this is because of the media favoritism CP3 gets and how much they downplay Harden and Russ.
great video as always! please make more!
I really appreciate that the Spurs new Wemby generation went for a CP3 / Barnes style rather than a Trae Young. The economic sense behind this is obvious, but I dare to say that this brings more basketball value too considering the assets and philosophy of game under the Spurs organisation
As a cp3 truther he legitimately is the most complete PG ever. That comment there had me locked in for this video.
Thank you CP3 for the one year in Golden State. I really hope he gets one.
I was disappointed when Jason Timpf left him off his top 25 of the 21st century list. One of his main points was that he only included people who were the best player on a championship or finals team. Imo he was the best player on the Suns 2021 final team.
this was a great watch!
cp3 disrespect will not be tolerated
Great video script to whoever wrote it.
Can’t wait to see how he helps the spurs develop this season
Cp3 has a ring without Scott foster
First video I've seen of yours that was awesome
Can't argue. Awesome argument listing positives and negatives honestly.
Heres the main issue about the perception on Paul. A lot of these kids think his prime was like 2016-2020. When in reality it was like 08-12. His best years were on the Hornets. By the Rockets he was already on the decline and by the Suns he was looking old. Maybe if he had been able to hook up with Kobe and and Bynum or Kobe and Heard as Kobe, Paul, and Howard was the plan. Of course Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban got butthurt and complained and David Stern squashed the trade. Which was ridiculous. The Hornets GM was trying to do right by his team in that trade. It wasnt as bad as LeBron and Bosh going to Miami or even the Gasol trade a few years earlier. Now the Gasol trade was a real coup for the Lakers. Anyway what might have been. Prime Paul and Kobe and Howard... Paul might have been able to make Howard work much better than old man Nash and Phil Jackson was going to come back and coach for the Lakers if that trade went through...
Yup.
I really appreciate this video. Your analysis is spot on. I never considered him on an all-time ranking (never thought he was top 20, which is about as far as I go), but it's definitely high. I don't think the top 25 is unreasonable. He was obviously a great player with a huge impact on winning.
Long time NBA fan…any serious fan should watch this or know this. CP was so so elite. You made his case!👊
Cp3 the 🐐 my fav player of all time since wake forest
One of the strangest players of all time.
Like there are playoff chokers like Harden, Malone, Embiid, Westbrook, Melo etc that you can clearly point to their numbers and how they consistently fall in the playoffs.
But CP3 has good playoff numbers. Like almost great even. But somehow it just never works out for him. Like I can't even think of too many bad playoff games from his, but somehow someway when the buzzer sounds he's on the losing end.
It's almost baffling.
The Elgin Baylor of this generation
sure fire HOF, absolute gamer. Also, dirty at times too
I’ve been watching since 2011, Chris Paul is like top 5-6 for me since then
But his best year is about 2008-2009, since then his athleticism took a little hit and he became a little slower overall
Hi Carson, could you make a John Stockton video? I feel that when people talk about PGs, a lot of people don't really understand who John Stockton is and just using his No.1 career assists and steals number to overrate him, saying he's top3,5 PGs of all time. In reality I think he is more on that top-10 PG rank, like Kevin Johnson, Damian Lillard, Gary Payton.
I’m a grateful Suns fan, we were only 2 wins away… All love CP3 💜🧡
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For a long time chris paul has been the best litmus test of whether or not someone knows what theyre talking about when it comes to basketball
One of the greatest Point Guards to ever play. Underrated and underappreciated....
the rudy gorbert version of pg
you guys ready to watch a video on CP!!!
Been out of basketball for a while personally so to me he is still a best passer of my generation. Lets Go Spurs!
Imagine how tuff the name cp3 would be if he retired only wearing the number 3 and had 3 rings
Best video on RUclips
Should've kept Paul to be their point or backup point for the Suns instead of getting Beal.
I've always admired Chris, but I grew to love his game during his last year with the Warriors. Steph is my favorite player and I've always resented how Chris was the "point guard," a title I think should be applied to Steph. It was great seeing them play together. Chris is an artist.
I dont think people misunterstand his game (maybe casuals / younger fans that didnt get to see his evoultion since the NO days). People just hate his character and he being associated with multiple legendary blown leads in the playoffs
Wemby X CP3 coming
I'm usually not one of those "this deserves more views" commenters, but people are seriously missing out on the quality here. Well argued, well scripted basketball talk
Why do people give the point-god nickname to PGs who are clearly not the best of all time
I get it, Paul’s narrative is toxic now and he is a great player. That said this video overstates his career. Jason Kidd rightfully points to Stockton as the all time best point guard. Below the radar in Utah, he has 3,000 more assists than #2 Kidd and 5,000 more than Magic. all time steal leader and a very clutch shooter. It’s a crime he is not mentioned with Nash and the other guys. As far as pick and roll against drop, I would take Luka over peak Paul any day. Difference is Luka can go in and bury top defenses at home in elimination games. Luka can steal a very good team’s soul (see PHX and Minn), and Paul, not so much. Luka was the cause of Utah giving up on Rudy and Paul’s Suns giving up on their number one pick center because he killed both teams very good drop coverage. Teams literally were embarrassed into rebuilding their rosters because of Luka attacking their drop coverage.
I’m from Cleveland and work in a barbershop. I’ve been mercilessly tortured for my opinion of cp3>kyrie over the past month. The bias is so crazy
Are you talking all time? Kyrie clears CP3 currently but CP3 is better all time
@@KyleLowryRaptorsGOATwell duh. But until cp aged out the last few years, there is no point in cps late prime where kyrie was better imo. But young fans will say he was better aye he’s more fun to watch and a better iso scorer.
"And he was coached by Doc Rivers" Dagger
I have been a loud and proud Chris Paul hater since he gave Julius Hodge a nut shot in college.
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One of the greatest injustices in NBA history: Nash has 2 MVPs and CP3 has never been seriously considered for one. Tells you all you want to know about how "new stuff" are more valued for these acolades, even though CP3 in his prime was a superior PG than Nash
Umm, cp3 was second in mvp in 07 and was always atleast mentioned in convos for pretty much the last decade
Only chance he had a chance was with Kobe. Of course LeBum's hole buddy vetoed it
The grown man that bends the rules is James Harden
Dope video. Please vary your tone of voice my ears start hurting
That’s the thing though, he is an amazing player but the few times he had the opportunity to win, either injuries or his performances were not enough. The players i d rank higher than cp3 are players that will surpass themselves. It’s one thing to play well but if I take players like steph or lebron, when it mattered they were able to get the edge. I m not denying cp’s greatest, he’s a top 5 pg all time for me and he has been bringing success to every franchise he played for. But most of the time you only get a few chances at a ring and if you throw them away even if your whole career you were good, you ll remain ringless.
He had one of those surpassing games in 2021 against the clippers but then got out powered by giannis in the finals, which proves another point, to win you need to play better than your opponents not just well…
Cooked his future team 1:25
pound for pound one of the greatest🗣️ wish he got a ring man
Chris paul is the Charles barkley of today
Getting injured is not a valid excuse!!!
CP3 getting injured in the playoffs on the biggest stage is a huge issue and played a large part in his teams not achieving more success.
You can’t just say he got injured and talk about how good he is when he plays. Makes no sense whatsoever.
It’s not an excuse it’s context, clearly comprehension isnt your strong suit
Getting injured is not a valid excuse? Yet y’all love to use it for any player y’all love when they don’t perform. If I uries is your only issue with cp3 the you don’t have a credible argument. You cannot use something outside of someone’s control as an argument against their greatness. THATS what makes no sense. Durability is an issue for him but that’s where the convo on that ends. What else do u say about that? How tf do u do a deep dive on a man having bad hamstrings? Y’all want to find a reason to burn that man’s legacy sooo bad. And it’s dumb
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If Chris Paul didn't play basketball he'd be a cop
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Bro you are the ultimate excuse machine for Chris Paul. Your blaming role players for HIS teams failures? Your excusing his injuries which are his responsibility? Heavy is the head that wears the crown. When you’re the best player/highest paid player on pretty much every team he’s failed with YOU TAKE THE BLAME, period, end of discussion. CP3 is a great player but you can be two things at the same time and he’s also a failure in the postseason WHEN YOUR LEGACY IS DEFINED. The regular szn accolades are cool but they don’t mean shit unless you back them up with postseason success. He’s a choke artist when it counts the most, he’s always getting hurt in the playoffs or right as the postseason is about to begin, he’s unreliable in that aspect. STOP with the excuses he is what his history says he is a great regular szn player but can’t lead his team in the playoffs. You can find all tge random stats you want but it’s the eye test and what he’s actually never achieved that matters most.
Plz give ANY player in nba history in every single playoff game they play in their career. Role players that shoot less than 30% and play terrible defense and let’s see how many championships they win . It is a TEAM sport no one great player can trump a bad team.
Do me favor
Point me to the year when a NBA Champions were a bad team…
Excuses for CP3 never end but people shit on WB
Right, no matter how many times he chokes with the who’s who of teammates, he gets a pass. Rondo and Westbrook are better PG’s all time.
@jahimuddin2306 5x hes blown 2-0 leads in the playoffs (including the finals). Only made it out the 2nd round TWICE in 19 seasons playing on multiple 50+ win teams. CP3 discourse is always hes a winner despite never winning
Funny you people always vaguely point out how much he’s lost but can ever breakdown what happened in those loses and why u think it was all his fault.
good PG, but not a winner, as evident with his 0 rings 😊
when you say Chris Paul, no rings come to mind for me
Do you keep that same energy for guys like Stockton and AI?
He might get a ring with Wemby … CP3 going to jumpstart that team for a playoff run
I mean imo Chris Paul is just a miniature less athletic LeBron
Point god sure isnt cp3, definitely in the top 7 of point guards.
John Stockton-Karl Malone pitch n roll was as effective as any Paul combo. Also they were doing it in 1980”s 1990’s when no one else was. I would put Stockton ahead of him.
Paul’s offense is much better than Stockton’s tho. Stockton only scored 30+ 10 times in his entire career.
@@WillHerren CP0 is 4000 assists behind Stockton. Stockton is heads and shoulders above CP0.
@@pyotrbagration2438 calling him cp0 when Stockton is also ring less is hilarious 😂 man got all those assist and had Malone his entire career and still no rings to show for it
Unfortunately, not a championship tier point guard.
We gotta stop calling non-winners "legends"
Chris Paul is Draymond Green in Steph Curry's body.
I have to disagree. Yes he was a great point guard but he was a poor leader and at times a dirty player. I don't think people misunderstand CP0 I think they just don't like him.
CP3 was great but not a top-5 PG ever. Not even better than Russ. Couldn’t win as a #1 and always had incredible supporting casts (Lob city, 08 Hornets). Playoff chokes each year from 2013-16 mostly as a result of his poor play (OKC G5, Rockets G6-7). His advanced metrics and efficiency stats overstate his contribution to winning and his former teammates have called out his selfishness, yet he doesn’t get the same bad wrap that better players like Harden did for “not playing winning ball” or having poor leadership. Jason Kidd is way better
I’ll give him a break though because he did tear an ACL at his peak, and the hamstring in 2018 prevented a certain championship. But it is what it is
Cp3>russ russ will never be better than than cp don't let triple doubles fool u it never equated to winning
What former teammates?
So you just ignore all the factual stats provided to you in this video, and spew out some bs narratives that are mostly disproven, in said video.
You gotta be sped
Personally, I do not think he is even a top 10 PG.
When did CP overtake Kidd? When did CP overtake Stockton? When did CP overtake Zeke? Heck I'd even have the Glove instead of him. Given that the narrator never mentions Stockton when comparing CP to someone else tell enough. Overrated af.
You’re just delusional he gave you 25 minutes of context and facts and everything went in one ear and out the other. Sad
@@zackd9032 He gave me 20 minutes of strawman arguments, the players I listed are all above CP both in accolades and in stats, which is prolly why he doesnt compare them with CP but uses freaking Derozan and EmBum. Sad indeed.
@@pyotrbagration2438 they quite literally are not all above in Accolades at all .
Chris Paul has the most all star selections out of any of the players you named, he’s tied with stockon with all nba selections but Chris Paul has the most 1st All NBA selections with 4 Stockton has ONE. In all defensive teams he’s tied with kidd & payton at 9 but kidd has 4 first team
Chris paul has 7
Payton has nine
You are just babbling nonsense
Elevating a Thunder and suns team just to choke in the playoffs like always isn't moving me. "One of the best winner's ever" doesn't even have a ring and only made a finals as a third option.
Sure he's usually plays well but his issue is he never steps up when the time comes and that's why he blows leads.
Y’all will say all of this but not keep the same energy for Stockton 🤦🏾♂️😂
@@Dusty3967 John Stockton is a bum and would be a better player if he scored more and assisted less. He didn’t do shit either and played in the weakest era of nba competition
@@nattywilx I respect that 😂
Crazy amount of glaze in this video, pretty much saying he was great except for in the specific moments when it mattered the most. Saying he is better than Karl Malone and Barkley is crazy
The numbers in the playoffs say he is, and it’s way more great performances than bad performances in his playoff career clearly you didn’t watch the video and was already close minded on the subject so why watch in the 1st place?
Legend? 😂 🤡
He is so overrated
ur dead wrong
Bro did you not just watch the video
@@sgrey9181 ofc not, probs didn’t watch 5 seconds before commenting that lmao
@@sgrey9181 I watched his whole career...especially his time in Phoenix where he choked AGAIN in the playoffs.