Disney Pocahontas Original Finale Rough Edit
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- This was the original concept for the finale to the film but the music was cut and did not appear in the 1995 theatrical print and video versions. In 2005 it was mostly restored except for a few lines of dialogue and some cutting of the "If I Never Knew You" reprise at the end.
Why didnt they keep this one in....its much deeper and heartfelt...especially how the reprise goes and how he understood her from looking at her eyes. I miss this Disney! The best Animated love story no matter what others say!333
i always loved how it goes from "If I never knew you" straight into a reprisal of "Colors of the Wind" that was so cool.
Right? Truly a smooth transition from one song to the next. John Smith didn't leave with Pocahontas physically, but he left with her spiritually through the wisdom she taught him in the scene when she sings "Colors of the Wind". It's almost like a musical way of saying "if I never knew you, I would have never knew how to paint with all the colors of the wind and sing with all the voices in the mountains." Then John Smith waved goodbye to her the way she taught him 🥲 so much deepness in this movie
Idc what anyone says, this movie was great and as a piece of film art history should be enjoyed. Had this film never been made I would have never explored her history
As soon as she sang " and I'm so grateful to you" TEARS. Seriously, cinematic genius 😭 this whole ending would have destroyed me.
The 10th Anniversary has this ending I think
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That final gaze of Pocahontas looking out towards the ship. Her face... I wish I could draw like that.
I wish they still made hand drawn animations... Sometimes hand drawn films have a different and greater effect than CGI, an effect that CGI can't replicate.
You can, it's just a lot more difficult to connect to. But I highly agree that 2d does a great emotional impact that you cant explain
Amen
Traditional animation has more heart and you can tell how much time and effort was put into it. CGI feels like it's just cut and paste, cut and paste.
You're so right.
@@Father_of_Death cgi is still a great medium to use, but the NEWSFLASH, FROZEN FRANCHISE creators confirmed that another HAND DRAWN is possible and open at the studio from further filmmakers, and I shall be one of them since I am filmmaker myself
I have to say that I liked this version better than the final version. I especially loved the way how they were singing the last lines of the song to each other while they're taking him on the ship. Much more emotional and compelling, in my opinion.
After seeing this, I wish they didn't have Pocahontas say, "I'm needed here...". It's so much more powerful when John Smith can read her decision in her eyes and tears T-T
Ya. I’d rather she went w/ Smith.
When Pocahontas sang "Empty as the sky" my heart broke 😭😭😭
Wow! Why didn't they just use this version in the 10th Anniversary DVD? I love that longer reprise of If I Never Knew You, it works so well with the score.
That is a very unknown question!
They did
No, they just added the first part: "-And I'm so gratefull to you
-I had lived my hole life through"
just that couple of frases, it's not as long as in this video. It's a pitty that now there are three versions of this part and the official one is the "worst", and the deleted one is the best of them.
I love the extended reprise of "If I Never Knew You". It adds to the passion of the scene.
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Personally, I'd prefer it if they kept Nakoma's line. That way, the ending wouldn't be so contradictory. Powhatan saying you should chose your own path (something that Pocahontas had clearly shown a desire to do earlier in the film), but Pocahontas decides that staying just completely contradicts what she was hoping for. It makes more sense to have Nakoma remind Pocahontas that she was a harbinger of peace, so, she must stay so as to prevent another war from happening. So, that would give her better reasons to stay behind.
I mean.. this way it means Pocahontas has realised her positioning without her friend needing to "remind her" again.
@@Evilriku13 also, at this point, choosing "the smoothest course" for her would be going with Smith away from all the fighting with the man she loves. This is her staying true to her nature.
I just want her to shut up. She was indirectly responsible for Kocoum's death and escalating the war.
On the contrary, I think N'allait reminding Pocahontas she's the reason peace happened contradicts her father's word. With the final version, Pocahontas truly chooses to stay on her own, not because someone else Said something about her place
I feel u on that. That statement alone makes it a crime that this version of the ending is deleted.
I remember when I was a baby (born on 1994), I was crying so loud that the ending when John saying good bye to Pocahontas (back in 1995)
why the fuck there's a second movie? THIS WAS PERFECT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND!
Enoch Nox Let's just pretend it doesn't exist.
It wasn't made by Walt Disney studios though. The thing was, in the early 2000s, Disney wasn't making any money anymore, so Disneytoon Studios, the people that made the cartoon shows, made a bunch of cheap cash-ins to try and squeeze some money from the popular classics. And people like my mum bought several of these cheap sequels, so obviously their plan worked. And Pocahontas was one of the many films that got cheaply forced into a stupid sequel that I had to endure as a kid, and have my little six-year-old hear squashed in the process. Sorry for rambling, I'm still angry. :)
But Pocahontas orginally was captured in Jamestown and married John Rolfe and also had a child with him. Smith wasn't much of a love intrest in RL. But Seriously Disney is sooo much better like cm'on.
And this alone makes Pocahontas look like a total jerk in the second movie. How could you share a love like this but then fall for the next guy named John who wanted to change you. Ugh
thank you!!!
MaryKate Bailey Glad to see that someone else feels the same way.
Disney wanted to be "historically correct" >_< ugh
+Leemaid2010 unnecessary. They've never been historically acurate in any of their films... unnecessary and unacceptable.
Adventure Time Things Yeah I know right? Should've kept Pocahontas and John Smith together
I’ll never forget the ending of Pocahontas. It still makes me sad that John smith leaves and says goodbye to Pocahontas who loved him so much. The colors of the wind will be with them .
While I'm torn on the vocal reprise of "If I Never Knew You" the orchestration in this version is so much better. Firstly, the individual instrument parts are clearer, allowing you to hear more soloistic lines, especially in the French horn and upper woodwinds.
I'm glad to see that sound editors have since moved away from the practice of cleaning orchestra parts so much that sound like fluff. I did a side by side comparison, and while the orchestration isn't BAD in the final version, it might as well be synth because of how...overly cleaned up it sounds. People in the 90s and early 2000s only liked to hear strings I guess, since often orchestra parts were so fluffed that you totally lost the double reeds, flutes and seldom heard low brass. Pizzicato (hopefully I'm spelling that right, I conduct Wind Ensemble so my string terms are rusty) lines also lose a lot of their punch in the final. You can really hear them here.
Also, I was sorely disappointed that the French Horn solo in the build was cut from the final. My Horn player friends would be really upset.
Pocahontas is the only Disney Movie that has a sad ending!
BooBop1987 all because of the sequel before they made the sequel this ending had hope.
Yeah your right about that!
+BooBop1987 Pocahontas 1 had a good ending. At least they said that even though they're far away they will always love them...forever. Pocahontas 2 kinda ruined in it.
Yeah that's true!
The Fox and the Hound.
Todd survived, but he could never return home or see his family and friends again.
John sings pretty well for a guy with a shotgun wound in his gut.
Shotguns didn't exist in that time,it was a matchlock arquebuise.
It's Disney magic, man. Don't question it 😂
@@samuelpi1670 no the English didn't use those I don't think. I thought it was just a regular matchlock musket.
Am I the only one in tears right now?
No 😭
Pocahontas ending never fails to make me cry.. even in this storyboard sequence. You can really *see* the leaves flying in the wind in the boat scene, it's amazing how they captured it so well in this static drawing and then transferred to animation!
I find this to be better than the theatrical ending. Somehow, it's able to convey more emotion in still images than in motion. The drawings at 2:50 and 3:16 are incredible - tell you everything you need to know about what she's feeling.
I like how the chief says "you must choose your own path", right after her friend totally guilts her into staying
2:50 GOOSEBUMPS EVERYWHERE!!!
Once and always my favorite Disney soundtrack
I am so greatful to Alan Menken for enriching my life with the wonderful Disney scores of the 90s.
Ya. I wish he’d come back to do more.
“I’ll always be with you ... forever” or at least until another guy named John shows up.
don´t worry, that is ironically considered un-canon by many (despite of some funny scenes)
I'm so glad they cut their singing out and decided to go for a less broadway vibe! Some people criticize the movie for being too serious. But despite not being as successful as other movies from the 90's, I think it was important to have more movies directed to all audiences. The Hunchback is a great example of a movie that wasn't made only for children and remains one of my favorites!
***** I think it's silly that Disney tends to make their movies so child friendly. I miss more serious stories and edgy characters! If you could connect to Pocahontas at age 5, it means it's possible to tell stories with more depth and still be successful in the box office.
I don't think THIS song should've been cut. Their romance seems... pretty lackluster without it. Disney movies tell a lot of their story through songs, and cutting out the big romance song makes Smith's and Pocahontas's relationship kind of boring in the original cut.
It was a terrible mistake to cut this song out of the film, it's not childish at all it gives a lot more of emotion to the story and the ending is way more powerful than the official version. They could have done the best Disney movie ever just letting this song be, but they didn't, so The Little Mermaid takes it's place instead.
that just made me cry
Oh my god. They shouldve kept this scene! Its so much more heart touching!
This is perfect! This should have been the official ending! I almost cried! It's just so heartbreakingly beautiful!
Judy Kuhn's high notes are so beautiful they're tear inducing.
ugh i hate the second one it dosnt deserve to be a sequel to this beautiful film well lets hope that when she was sailing off in the sunset with john Rolfe shell never forget those beautiful lines they said to eachother "no matter what happens ill always be with you forever"
Better yet she can hear those lines realize she was an idiot for choosing loser John and get back together with John smith her true love 😂😂
They really shouldve kept this ending...its so emotional...and i love the song I know that when they had john amith tied uo inside that tent jail place pocahontas came to see him and they sang if i never knew you but when they first showed this to a group of kids they thought the scene was boring..so they took it out...they really shouldve kept this ending and the singing scene.I would've been crying like crazy throughout the whole movie
I almost cried when I saw this, especially when John Smith and Pocahontas sing, so touching.
I like the original ending better, mostly because I feel like the reprise really interrupts the emotion in this scene rather than helping convey it. I just think the instrumental works so much better for the emotion than this does.
Agreed I feeplt like crying hearing the music, but with the singing it kinda ruining the moment
I know I'm repeating myself, but I actually liked this version better. I personally found it more compelling to hear "If I Never Knew You" sung entirely in this finale. It may seem a little too much, but for me it worked quite well. For me, it sounded quite genuine and even more heartwrenching.
Pocahontas' score is so flipping gorgeous.
I hate Nakoma in this deleted scene. She seems she has not learned the lesson. In the original ending, she is more humble and kinder.
AlexMoby
Same. Her dialogue wasn’t needed.
This made me cry more than the official one. :'(
I always loved looking at these rough sketches as a kid. Just shows all the hard work everyone did.
If I had to choose one thing from this version to keep, it actually wouldn’t be the song. It would be the way they hug each other when she says that he has to go back.
This breaks my heart to see John Smith leave the love of his life.
I like this version of the ending better. Especially for Nakoma's lines. Some of it they should have kept. Either version, it always makes me cry
I must cry even here.
Oh man, they should have kept this ending. That was gorgeous; I got goosebumps!
The ending of this movie always makes me want to cry. I love it so much!
thesesongs add a lot of depth, and i wish they had used them!! honestly!
Pocahontas is the most realistic animation I think. And I'm glad they deleted if i never knew you reprise. I love the song, it's one of my fav, but it doesn't match the ending.
It matches perfectly, you have the feeling that there is something missing in the official version, and that's this singing parts. It's way more emotional and touching with the song.
I agree with you, it doesn't fit the ending
When she sang "empty as the skiess.."
Got chills.... let's hope Frog Princess brings Disney back to its former glory.
if Nakoma didnt say anything Pocahontas might have gone with John
Ya.
Plus she’s kinda responsible for Kocoum’s death, which escalated the war further
Did someone chop some onions damn I’m in tears
Why didn't they keep this ending?!?! This film is the reason why I became such a hopeless romantic! :'3
I understand why the reprise was cut. Its pretty but its a bit of an interruption. I still think they should've kept some of the original shots and dialogue that was in this though. Those close ups of Pocahontas and them looking back at each other as they get separated is just heartbreaking and beautiful. And damn that orchestra!
I wish I could charcoal like that..
It’s nice to see that when they were singing if I never knew you John says I’d have lived my whole life through, but in this reprise, he says I have lived my whole life through 😢
AHH just listening to the AUDIO of this makes me cry. Soo beautiful!
The full song actually makes it A LOT sadder. But maybe we need that!
I soooo wish they had included that final reprise! They had some of it there in the 10th Anniversary, so why couldn't they put all of it? :(
Anyway, this is incredibly gorgeous and it makes me cry!
Why did I start tearing up at the end?? 😢 because it was good
i can't watch this till the end. already crying.
I like this ending a lot! But I love the movie ending because it's not so jumbled and complicated. It's simple longing between Pocahontas and John Smith. The swelling of the music at the end always gives me goosebumps!
OH THE MUSIC!!!!! :,D
This, my friends, is my favorite Disney movie of all time. Just thought I would throw that out there :) Anyway, I'm glad they cut this part out. And while I absolutely LOVE 'If I Never Knew You', I'm also glad that that was not included in the movie. It just goes to show. Disney really knew what they were doing...
...back then.
best movie ending ever
i cry everytime man.
WTF! First they cut the song and now this! I think that with that two things the movie have been a lot better!
so beautiful, subtle and uplifting, also very sad. these mix of emotions is what it makes what it is. a piece of art! (and dont get me start on the music... ♥♥♥♪♫)
0:44 that silence, those tears! oh my God, it says everything, and John Smith need no more. heartbreaking!
Yeah, i agree its a great song, as is this reprise. The only reason it got cut was because the kids at the screen tests got bored.
So basically, children are terrible.
Im a child and I love this scene, shut up.
I love this version I wish this was the ending DAMN IT DISNEY WHY WONT YOU ADD THIS TO THE 20Th ANNIVERSARY
THIS. This scene for pocahontas 30th anniversary in 2025. I want it so badly 😭 I will be 36 with a little kid of my own by then, lmfao 😂
This ending is more touching :( He can tell what her decision is by looking into her eyes awwwww
Aw. I love it so much! I wish they had put this in the final movie. Its so beautiful.
Ya. Except for Nakoma pleading Pocahontas to stay w/ her ppl.
@@xs0528 I still think the song was pretty cute. I think Nakoma bit was to show ..well first what peer pressure looks like, to which her father followed up with "you must choose your own path" but its to explain why she stayed behind; she recognizes her responsibilities. In the real story, she ends up going with John anyway so, whatever. i thought the song was cute.
The ending gives me goosebumps all over!
I like this ending better. :\
stupendo
That was a lot butter, then the movie!!
What really strikes me with this scene is that Pocahontas` final choice of staying is pretty much a full circle for her relationship with her father. In their first scene together, he`s chosen the path for her (of proposing her to marry Kocoum). But after the execution and realizing her maturity and independence, he lets her choose her own path at the end. So it truly makes it a full circle.
That made me sad.
This should've been added on to the 10th anniversary DVD. I do wish she had gone with him, though. I don't care what history says! They're meant to be together forever!
the ending made me cry, it broke my heart 😭😭😭😭
This move always gives me chills with the music and chorus in the background when they say their goodbye to each other, not knowing if they will see each other again.
WAY TO BREAK MY HEART
I CRY EVERY TIME I SEE THIS
I DID NOT WAKE UP FOR THESE feels
I CRIED THIS IS TOO BEAUTIFUL FGSG.
1:30 it is just me or are they both crying? ;(
Yeah i think so 😭❤️
Wow! So beautiful!!
omg i love this!!!! they should have kept it!
Alan Menken Isolated Score - Farewell (Early Version)
Nakoma, it's all your fault
Paolo Franz ik
exactly, he put doubts in her head
I love the music rendition of the finale better in this version then the final one that's in the film. Love this!
Aww I love that
This is very good. Love it.
This movie has THE MOST powerful ending.
3:30 and they all live happily ever After, the End
I wish they'd kept this ending. I teared up when she began singing "If I Never Knew You" a;sdjlasjdlas
Damn it Nakoma!
I get goosebumps watching this...
So many goosebumps!!!
This ending killed me
i really like this ending
Damn! If they just took out that savages song and made room for the "If I never knew you piece" Than this would have been the strongest ending in any of the Disney films! Such an opportunity....LOST!
Wow this is just BEAUTIFUL !!!
Grea drawings.
The only other disney princess that wasn't a girl was Mulan. Pocahontas and Mulan are the best disney princesses EVER!!!
Actually I liked this version better than the final. It's more compelling and much more emotional
There is an official version where they did animate this scene, but it fills me with anger to see that this version did not reach other countries. 🥺
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